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[2010-04-21 13:57:50] - xpovos: I believe it's true enough for the purposes of discussion. yes, there's a cost to any change which may make regulation and deregulation asymmetrical, but all I need to assume is one case in which the cost of establishing regulation is negligible in order for my statement to be true. my claim is not for-all, it's there-exists. - pierce
[2010-04-21 13:56:52] - Paul: I'm reminded of the 'smart spending' debate. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:53:50] - I would think it also has to do with the types of regulation. Fewer regulations aren't going to be better if they are dumber regulations. -Paul
[2010-04-21 13:48:16] - aaron: I'll have to research that, but aren't those (generally speaking) all flaws in software packages installed on the user's machine (e.g. Flash), not problems with the browser/HTML aspects of advertising? -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:47:36] - pierce: Your corollary is not a true statement. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:47:13] - Sometimes some regulation is worse than lots of regulation. In theory, it should be better, but in practice, the regulations that get removed are the ones that permit criminal activity to become pervasive, while restricting (or continuing to disallow) actual free choice. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:46:23] - It was me, yeah. That was the end of that thought, and I ran out of room to sign it. And I agree, deregulation is not the same thing as no regulation. I don't agree with people who say that deregulation is always inherently better. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:44:49] - now of course the solution is to have *smart* deregulation, but that undermines the idea that freer always equals better. if there are any times that deregulation is dumb, then there are times when *increased* regulation is smart. - pierce
[2010-04-21 13:42:25] - (or maybe you weren't xpovos) - pierce
[2010-04-21 13:41:42] - xpovos: popular advertising providers like doubleclick have served malware via ads. sometimes it even targets firefox users. adblock/noscript is a good thing. - aaron
[2010-04-21 13:41:38] - (or maybe that was your entire comment and you didn't sign it) - pierce
[2010-04-21 13:40:57] - xpovos: (I assume)okay, reading the first part of your comment I agree that the barrier to entry for energy supply was part of the reason deregulation didn't work. but I would extend that logic to a lot of different industries (health care, ISPs, insurance) and I don't think I'd get agreement from you guys that deregulation may fail on principle for them as well. - pierce
[2010-04-21 13:37:39] - xpovos: "deregulation" doesn't mean "now we have no regulation", it means "now we have less regulation". unless you're saying free market principles only apply to markets that are 100% free, energy prices in CA should have been safely below the price caps anyway, right? - pierce
[2010-04-21 13:37:08] - a: Not precisely, but I see your point. The free market response to such shenanigans is to increase the number of suppliers. However, the barriers to entry were extraordinary high in California. They're high for that business in general, but particularly so there, which is why no new major plants were constructed by anyone, let alone new companies entering the market.
[2010-04-21 13:34:24] - mig: a cap sets a maximum cost, not the cost itself. you're right that even setting a cap isn't "deregulation", but that's not the part of CA policy people are referring to when they use the term. let me ask you this: if you believe freer markets promote efficiency of production, what was the danger of setting price caps at the pre-deregulation levels? - pierce
[2010-04-21 13:30:25] - xpovos: how was it effectively illegal? i thought enron was intentionally shutting down plants to run-up the price of electricity. ~a
[2010-04-21 13:29:12] - i like comcast for ethernet. they're very fast and very reliable. whenever the message board is down it's usually my fault. it really depends on your specific neighborhood though, i think. ~a
[2010-04-21 13:28:39] - Even more important than the pricing issue was the other legislation effectively criminalizing the production of new supply, so they had to buy all their (growing) energy needs from other states. If it is effectively, if not technically, illegal to produce a product, it is clearly a regulated product. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:28:08] - I had Cox back at my apartment, and they were god-awful. I cannot speak for Comcast though. - mig
[2010-04-21 13:27:29] - horray for FIOS. better than cable. - mig
[2010-04-21 13:24:59] - Stephen: Shouldn't? No. I was just typing out a nice long list of reasons why you should... in certain circumstances. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:21:51] - a: sure they were. that's the essence of price caps. - mig
[2010-04-21 13:19:39] - So I'm eligible for Verizon FIOS now (took them long enough). It's cheaper than Comcast would be - does anyone have any reasons I shouldn't switch? - Stephen
[2010-04-21 13:17:13] - the government wasn't deciding the cost. ~a
[2010-04-21 13:14:49] - also i find it hard to call a situation where the government decides what the cost of a particular thing to be "deregulation". - mig
[2010-04-21 13:13:11] - mig: I generally only read the Escapist for Shamus Young's columns. I've never used an adblock add-on for any browser, and don't really think they're a good thing, but I still feel this was a dick move by the Escapist. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:11:28] - Daniel: I'm sure that's the fault of Republicans and deregulation. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 13:10:25] - What doesn't Cali have a crisis of at the moment? Aren't they just screwed all over the place? -Daniel
[2010-04-21 13:05:33] - nina: ding ding! I think California's energy crisis will result in a more entertaining discussion. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-21 12:56:37] - in addition to those two, i would also put blame on financial illiteracy in this country, a culture of greed, and poor business ethics and practices. -nina
[2010-04-21 12:52:05] - i'd put the vast majority of the blame on deregulation. ~a
[2010-04-21 12:51:09] - I'd put the vast majority of the blame on the federal reserve. - mig
[2010-04-21 12:49:05] - a: the subprime mortgage crisis is just way too complex. there are a lot of places where regulation would have stopped that from happening, but a lot of it was hard to see from a macro level. -nina
[2010-04-21 12:40:25] - nina: oh right, and the subprime mortgage crisis. ~a
[2010-04-21 12:38:02] - nina: California's deregulation and subsequent energy crisis? ~a
[2010-04-21 12:35:21] - microsoft workers in china. it seems pretty sad but i feel like i want to hear more of the story. ~a
[2010-04-21 12:34:59] - a: ok, government regulation can be good depending on the degree of use. discuss. -nina
[2010-04-21 12:34:14] - http://techdirt.com/articles/20100420/1042189110.shtml i'm very disappointed in the escapist right now. - mig
[2010-04-21 12:25:29] - right, i'm with mig, that's not terribly controversial. try arguing for government regulation, then you might be labeled controversial. ~a
[2010-04-21 12:24:18] - they had a daily show representative there in hawaii with them. it was funny to watch the hypocrisy. it also made me not want to work in politics. ~a
[2010-04-21 12:23:26] - nina: tell us something we don't already know. - mig
[2010-04-21 12:21:48] - -nina
[2010-04-21 12:21:45] - pierce told me to say something controversial on the message board. Republicans are so wasteful. http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/04/rnc_spent_340k.php
[2010-04-21 12:02:05] - You can watch Live Cricket. Bangalore is in the semi-finals. http://www.youtube.com/ipl?feature=ticker -nina
[2010-04-21 11:34:21] -
[2010-04-21 11:16:42] -
is the correct facial expression. ~a[2010-04-21 11:06:28] - pierce: wrong facial expression.
-nina[2010-04-21 11:04:30] - >.< - pierce
[2010-04-21 10:59:15] - stephen: i think he's quite a cunning linguist -nina
[2010-04-21 10:27:27] - Pierce: You may be right, but who knows? The article wasn't as precise as you were, and you aren't a linguist (you are cunning, though). - stephen
[2010-04-21 10:17:14] - obviously there are some verbs that are also conjugated, and there are a million special cases which could each count as "a way to modify verbs" but maybe the author meant things that modify almost all verbs in the language. - pierce
[2010-04-21 10:14:40] - stephen: I'd speculate that all the tenses are lumped together as one "way to modify a verb". so if I had to guess, I'd say the article was referring to adverbs, tenses, and plurality? - pierce
[2010-04-21 10:06:01] - aaron: Right, English doesn't really conjugate verbs. We have a lot of a lot of tenses, though, so how is that not "modifying" a verb. Also, I've never said that the article was wrong, just that it was imprecise and rather misleading. - Stephen
[2010-04-21 10:00:32] - stephen: most verbs, like "run" only has three alternate forms, like "runs", "ran", and "running". there are very very few exceptions... like "is" is an exception, it has a lot of forms. but i can't even think of a second exception - aaron
[2010-04-21 09:58:30] - daniel: yeah once everybody knows how to play, a 2-4 player game takes about a half-hour - aaron
[2010-04-21 09:56:23] - aaron: I'm not sure what "there are only three ways to modify a verb in English" means, for example. - Stephen
[2010-04-21 09:54:55] - daniel: i'd say around 1/2 hour. - mig
[2010-04-21 09:48:30] - aaron: how long does your typical dominion game take to play through? -Daniel
[2010-04-21 01:02:46] - news from yesterday (from dewey). ~a
[2010-04-20 23:10:27] - ahaha i didn't get that until just now. ~a
[2010-04-20 22:59:56] - there was a title joke. well, "joke". more just a weird way of spelling it. - pierce
[2010-04-20 22:07:45] - no jokes about 4/20
~a[2010-04-20 17:28:16] - paul: heh heh when did CNN start having comments on articles? i like how half of them are immediately defensive in tone. what are they defending? bush took a lot of time off too. being president is hard. - aaron
[2010-04-20 17:17:38] - stephen: what was wrong with the section on japanese? - aaron
[2010-04-20 16:57:17] - aaron: The article did pick out four of the most difficult (widely-spoken) languages for an English speaker to learn. The facts in the article were...like the author heard 2/3 of the story and just filled in the rest as he/she saw fit. - Stephen
[2010-04-20 16:47:12] - stephen: he didn't even go into the different words in japanese for counting things... like if you're expressing "five pencils" versus "five trucks", you use different words iirc - aaron
[2010-04-20 16:47:02] - did I miss some jokes about 4/20? - stephen
[2010-04-20 16:46:43] - stephen: heh well i wasn't familiar with russian/arabic, but i thought they hit the nail on the head with chinese/japanese. it took me about two semesters of japanese to learn how to read/write roughly one-half-of-one-percent of the alphabet, and maybe 5% of the grammar, and didn't even touch on the variations used when talking to people of other social statuses - aaron
[2010-04-20 16:32:11] - Aaron: Cute article, although definitely not one written by someone with an understanding of linguistics. It'd be like saying "oh god, English is the hardest language to learn. Look at the many illogical ways English speakers pronounce the letters -gh-" - stephen
[2010-04-20 16:30:55] - http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/golf/04/20/golf.obama.bush/ President Obama plays more than Bush. -Paul
[2010-04-20 16:26:21] - http://www.weirdworm.com/the-4-most-bizarrely-difficult-languages-to-learn/ an article on japanese, russian, arabic, and chinese, and what makes them so annoying to learn - aaron
[2010-04-20 16:19:33] - damn, I could go for half of those donuts right now - vinnie
[2010-04-20 15:24:10] - gurkie: are you trying to open the link in a new tab. the site seems to be designed to prevent hotlinking of anything inside the frames. - mig
[2010-04-20 15:09:55] - Umm,,, each time I click on "2010-2 Rus" it takes me back to the diplomacy.ca website... I cant seem to get to our game... ~gurkie
[2010-04-20 14:38:39] - daniel: also a lot of us have been playing dominion lately, it's my favorite game since race for the galaxy. also i think it's a lot easier for new players than race, and there's arguably less of a random element - aaron
[2010-04-20 14:20:21] - Stephen: I want the Nut 'n Fancy -nina
[2010-04-20 14:17:16] - vinnie: looking at the variant daniel posted, my idea can't be right though. hmm maybe it was san juan that had that 2-player variant? i know i've played a game where the "governor" picked 2 roles, the other guy picked one, and then the governer switched - aaron
[2010-04-20 14:08:46] - vinnie: ohhh my bad. i guess competitive play is done with 3 players? that's interesting. i thought there was a 2-player variant where player the... going-first guy got two professions instead of one - aaron
[2010-04-20 14:01:18] - Nina: Well now I want a Monkey see Monkey do-nut. - Stephen
[2010-04-20 13:59:51] - a: so since you played as turkey, you probably were not going to get turkey again. As another example, aaron has played just about every country except Turkey and Russia, so he drew Russia. - mig
[2010-04-20 13:56:16] - a: somewhat random. they were made based on the countries you have played the least. - mig
[2010-04-20 13:54:34] - mig: were they random? ~a
[2010-04-20 13:50:46] - daniel: yes, the assignments have been made. - mig
[2010-04-20 13:37:53] - are those the actual countries we will be playing as? Also there are official two player rules by the company. Its what we used when I played with Andrea. http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/1583/puerto-rico-variant-for-2-players-doc -Daniel
[2010-04-20 13:27:55] - aaron: you can vote again tomorrow. -nina
[2010-04-20 13:27:04] - aaron: puerto rico can't be played with 2 players.
at least not according to the game rules: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3076/puerto-rico I don't know if they developed a two-player variant for tournaments - vinnie[2010-04-20 13:24:19] - nina: heh i voted for a random one by accident when i was trying to read the descriptions. i can't unvote. i hope my donut doesn't win (much ado about nut things) - aaron
[2010-04-20 13:14:01] - title: have you voted for dunkin donut's next consumer created donut? https://www.dunkindonuts.com/donut/#/vote-now -nina
[2010-04-20 13:00:11] - you all should be receiving game invites shortly
[2010-04-20 12:54:13] - puerto rico buildings but yeah! like you point out, it's not totally obvious what the opening strategy is. so it might be fun to figure it out for yourself. kind of like chess openings i guess - aaron
[2010-04-20 12:52:24] - daniel: ohhh wait you mean the hospice. yeah hospice doesn't play well. it often puts your opponent in the situation where they can mayor, and you get no benefit - aaron
[2010-04-20 12:45:10] - daniel: ...a free person when you settle? you mean the university? if you were able to buy that first turn then you were doing incredibly well. i think you're probably talking about the hacienda though which is much worse - aaron
[2010-04-20 12:44:37] - a: digital picture frames are still ridiculously expensive. i still don't understand why. -nina
[2010-04-20 12:21:50] - he just registered on the site as mwaters. - mig
[2010-04-20 12:21:28] - mitch is in, so i think we have 7. - mig
[2010-04-20 12:06:37] - daniel: will do. - mig
[2010-04-20 12:05:45] - For puerto rico it maybe because I've only played a few games but I took builder once before settling in the begining to get the building where i get a free person when you settle. It seemed like an ok play to me. -Daniel
[2010-04-20 12:04:33] - aaron / mig: Did you ask mitch if he is interested in Diplomacy? He would make seven with ~a -Daniel
[2010-04-20 11:35:52] - paul: still, a very bizarre poll, and a very biased poll. i was merely bringing it up to point out that it's cool when a poll is so unbiased that two different people can draw opposite conclusions. - aaron
[2010-04-20 11:33:08] - paul: yeah. i don't know! i'm hoping that GOP members either have a good sense of humor, or choose to interpret the question hyperbolically. the poll was definitely phrased the expose the most extreme of the extreme. they definitely conducted the conclusion first and the poll second - aaron
[2010-04-20 11:31:26] - paul: yeah. you can google it yourself if you want to see more stories about the poll. maybe that one's blocked. - aaron
[2010-04-20 11:30:55] - Aaron: I have to imagine there was some serious sample bias with that poll. Who even has a question asking if you think the president might be the anti-christ?
-Paul[2010-04-20 11:29:48] - Aaron: Are you able to click on the link to that poll? I can't seem to. -Paul
[2010-04-20 11:28:16] - i remember the days when the Democratic party couldn't produce a decent candidate. It's nice to see the Republicans going through the same issues. -nina
[2010-04-20 11:21:20] - paul: well, that's good. it's annoying when a poll comes out that's delivered in a way that's so one-sided, there's only one possible interpretation. like the one about 21% of GOP members believe obama may be the antichrist - aaron
[2010-04-20 11:12:27] - Aaron: It's interesting to me that we draw somewhat opposite conclusions from the poll. I thought it was heartening that the concern over gay marriage was last on the list of issues (confirming my thoughts that the tea parties were more concerned with economic issues). -Paul
[2010-04-20 11:11:24] - Aaron: However, I think you're right. Someone like Palin could win. But it needs to be someone without the perceived baggage Palin has. She can pull the base, but she'll get little to no moderate support. Someone else with the same views, but less notoriety could easily win. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-20 11:10:03] - aaron: I believe it is possible for the Republican candidate to win in 2012. I don't believe it's possible for Palin to beat Obama in 2012. I could be wrong, of course. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-20 11:06:24] - mig: heh heh don't understimate the republican party. they're doing a good job brewing a lot of anti-obama sentiment in independents. i think someone like palin could win in 2012 - aaron
[2010-04-20 11:06:23] - but then again I never really understood why republicans go so ga-ga over reagan or w bush, so I guess their thought process escapes me. - mig
[2010-04-20 11:05:18] - and i still don't get the palin appeal. - mig
[2010-04-20 11:01:39] - a: and sadly, I think ron paul is the only republican really who has the potential to beat obama. but there's the problem of getting nominated in the first place. - mig
[2010-04-20 10:56:29] - if palin wins the nomination in 2012, i think she'll lose to obama. ~a
[2010-04-20 10:56:14] - Ideally the political parties would shift as the political landscape shifted so that they were always reflecting the two most popular aspects of the most important issues of the day. In reality, they don't, which is why we get some disjoint and temporary third parties, like the Populists (Wm.Jennings Bryan), Progressives(Bull moose), and the TP. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-20 10:46:41] - aaron: I think that's part of the reason we've maintained two parties, but that the parties have changed dramatically over the years--they focus on different issues at different times, and even take different positions on them than they did in the past. I don't think that's a good reason not to have a third party, though. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-20 10:40:58] - paul: maybe this is another good reason though why we're stuck in a two-party system. any third party which tries to arise will inevitably gain lopsided support from the other two parties, and then they're doomed to be associated with one of the two parties until they eventually become synonymous with "democrats" or "republicans" - aaron
[2010-04-20 10:39:36] - paul: i guess it just goes to show that the tea party isn't necessary composed of the kinds of people it wants to be composed of yet. which must make it really frustrating for tea party enthusiasts who are actually pushing the core values of the party, and not just trying to push palin's numbers for 2012 - aaron
[2010-04-20 10:37:49] - paul: *groan* i'm really annoyed palin edged out paul at a tea party rally, even if it was 1%. and why would any % of people at a tea party rally be upset by gay marriage laws? well i guess it doesn't mean it's a belief of the party. just that coincidentally, a lot of pro-tea-party people are anti-gay-marriage - aaron
[2010-04-20 10:33:20] - http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/20/the-palinites-and-the-paulians More polls of Tea Partiers (this time of people who actually attended a rally). -Paul
[2010-04-20 10:30:22] - mig: i'd play. ~a
[2010-04-20 10:21:04] - daniel: oh yeah but puerto rico is really good and really deep, particularly 2-player. it gets played at a competitive level at a lot of game conventions. i'm pretty sure it's the most popular competitive 2-player "eurogame" at those kinds of cons, just as far as depth, accessibility, game duration, etc - aaron
[2010-04-20 10:17:46] - daniel: i think we have 5 solid commits for the next game (me, you, aaron, paul, andrew) I know other names were thrown several weeks ago for asking but i forget which ones. - mig
[2010-04-20 10:13:41] - daniel: for example the first player should always settle, the second player should always build. if there's a third player, i can't remember what they do. but that never changes - aaron
[2010-04-20 10:13:13] - daniel: most of us have played puerto rico. i think vinnie and amy have about 30-50 games under their belt, i've played about 20. it's very good, although more static than agricola. you may be disappointed after a few games that there is not much strategic variety, and that about a third of the buildings are never useful - aaron
[2010-04-20 10:09:18] - Anyone here played Puerto Rico? I've played through two games of it so far. Seems pretty solid. Similiar-ish to Agricola but with some differences. Also how short of 7 are we for a new game of Dip if yall are ready to start another? -Daniel
[2010-04-20 10:05:50] - btw i'm not toggling until the error gets fixed. it'll be annoying work for the GM if he has to reprocess something from several turns back. - mig
[2010-04-20 10:03:50] - Stephen: Clearly. Now, I need to remember the secret passage so that I can utilize it in my next game! The next question, of course, is whether the passage is unidirectional or not. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-20 10:02:05] - I mean it as a joke order because I knew that unit was useless but somehow I tripped a bug in the judge software by doing that. - mig
[2010-04-20 09:55:53] - Xpovos: That's because there is no magic Tunis -> Edinburgh tunnel, whereas Miguel has discovered a secret passageway between Kiel and StP. - Stephen
[2010-04-20 09:47:56] - gurkie: I've ordered impossible moves like that. If the unit is useless in that position, it's a kind of symbolic thing. I believe I had an army stuck in Tunis for a long time so I kept sending it to Edinburgh. The difference is, my army never actually got there. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-20 09:45:34] - mig: Did you really mean to enter Kiel -> StP??? ~gurkie
[2010-04-20 09:44:54] - I have to say I looked at the board this am and said ... WTF happened to StP! Then I examined the board and orders to see if somehow I had accidentally convoyed Mig into StP since I didnt see how else it was possible... Then just freaked out. Til Paul told me it was getting fixed. ~gurkie
[2010-04-20 09:42:13] - Xpovos: Going to accept the draw this time?
-Paul[2010-04-20 09:40:36] - paul: kiel -> stp was a glitch. and yes, assuming she lost StP to germany, she would only be up two. something very weird happened; you should take it up with the gamemaster. - aaron
[2010-04-20 09:36:16] - Paul: Apparently he did, and the game took it. Weird. But it looks like it should be pretty easy to sort out. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-20 09:24:01] - mig: Ah, ok. So she is really up three supply centers but can make four units? Did you really put Kiel to StP as an order last turn?
-Paul[2010-04-20 09:21:08] - paul: her unit in belgium was auto-disbanded. - mig
[2010-04-20 09:14:35] - I'm so confused in the Diplomacy game. For starters, how did Kiel successfully get to StP? Also, assuming Russia lost StP to Germany, shouldn't she only be up two supply centers (Berlin + Kiel + Munich - StP)? -Paul
[2010-04-19 22:08:32] - a: Without knowing the mathematical layout for generating the color, I'd have guessed green+gray. Not red. Unless you're speaking about the old color. In which case, I could understand my perception of green+gray being an absence of a previous red existence. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-19 18:03:06] - yes? ~a
[2010-04-19 17:00:12] - a
[2010-04-19 16:53:14] - xpovos: e0dcdc. although i agree it's much closer to "gray" than any other color, i have to point out that the hue is exactly 0 radians which means it's some combination of red and gray. ~a
[2010-04-19 16:36:03] - a: I'm pretty sure that doesn't fit any definition of 'red' I've ever seen. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-19 16:29:51] - gurkie: i'm still funny. -title
[2010-04-19 16:15:21] - xpovos: no it doesn't. that's the red color that all the "other" threads have. ~a
[2010-04-19 16:12:25] - a: multiple threads really helps. http://aporter.org/msg/thread0010/ still has the traditional background, e.g. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-19 16:08:01] - hmmm, depictions of Muhammad show the scene from the super best friends episode. ~a
[2010-04-19 16:07:12] - confirmed? are you sure it wasn't faked? ~a
[2010-04-19 16:05:37] - OK, I have confirmed the color is different. I feel vindicated. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-19 16:01:06] - aaron: i strongly disagree. it's retarded how (i assume) revolutionmuslim didn't say anything about buddha snorting coke. or that our cable companies replay episode 504. or that what southpark did isn't even against their religion or against the law. ~a
[2010-04-19 16:00:10] - a: My guess is that it will be seen as threatening violence if brought up to a jury and I also think that's probably what they're going for. Having said both of those, though, I don't know if I would be for a conviction. Matt and Trey are pretty ballsy, though. I would be a little scared if I were them. -Paul
[2010-04-19 15:57:24] - Aaron: I haven't watched the episode yet, but I wonder if the bear suit was a compromise with Comedy Central. -Paul
[2010-04-19 15:54:48] - paul: so which is it? revolutionmuslim acts within the law? or revolutionmuslim is threatening violence? threatening violence is usually a form of coercion, right? i guess maybe it depends on the jurisdiction. ~a
[2010-04-19 15:52:04] - paul: ahh-ha-ha-ha. i knew the bear suit was going to get them in trouble. they should have stopped at the van - aaron
[2010-04-19 15:50:08] - nina: my notes doesn't seem like an improvement over the nexus one or the htc desire for that matter. in fact it seems to pale in comparison to the (sprint only) htc evo 4g even though it's much newer. ~a
[2010-04-19 15:49:09] - http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/19/security-brief-radical-islamic-web-site-takes-on-south-park/?hpt=T2 "The radical Islamic Web site Revolutionmuslim.com is going after the creators of the TV cartoon series "South Park" after an episode last week included an image of the Prophet Mohammed in disguise." -Paul
[2010-04-19 15:24:32] - you can't help it! ~a
[2010-04-19 14:59:48] - title: I already laughed at you once today, I refuse to laugh again ~gurkie
[2010-04-19 14:45:29] - Nina: Probably. I'm stuck with Verizon, and the reviews are promising. The only way I see myself not buying it is if they announce the Nexus One before mid-May. - Stephen
[2010-04-19 14:35:10] - wow, that looks sweet. ~a
[2010-04-19 14:31:56] - a: The point is that the unintended recipient didn't know that until after the hacking. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-19 14:01:39] - a: are you gonna get the HTC Droid Incredible? It seems to be the frontrunner when it comes to the Droid handsets and Verizon http://gizmodo.com/5520071/htc-droid-incredible-review-more-like-impressive -nina
[2010-04-19 13:42:43] - i doubt it had a warranty since it was a prototype. ~a
[2010-04-19 13:07:23] - a: i know, cracking the thing open? voiding a stranger's warranty? possibly breaking his phone? i hope they never found any lost cats - aaron
[2010-04-19 12:59:12] - pierce is a viral marketing shill? anyways, i wonder if they returned it. i guess probably not if they ripped it open. actually i'm guessing what he did was illegal since they did not own the device. ~a
[2010-04-19 12:58:15] - (and yes I acknowledge the very real possibility that this was an intentional leak) - pierce
[2010-04-19 12:56:56] - http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i new iphone model leaked when someone left it in a restaurant. I almost feel bad except ooh shiny - pierce
[2010-04-19 12:46:59] - nina: yeah, you've seen me... time is really not a factor in my fullness. I pretty much don't get any "full" feeling short of eating so much it hurts, regardless of time or caloric content or volume. - pierce
[2010-04-19 12:31:23] - a: I like the author of your link. He lays out a very logical argument and hits the most important points. Most importantly on the responsibility side of things. If you hack your device and it breaks, you're the responsible party. No warranties. If everyone agrees to that, I'm OK with the jailbreak. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-19 11:59:00] - coworkers already yell at me for eating too slowly. i'm guessing that's not a problem i have. ~a
[2010-04-19 11:54:04] - if you eat slower, you'll end up eating less before you feel full. -nina
[2010-04-19 11:23:25] - mig: I could probably start up another game too, since the pace of this one has slowed down considerably enough. -Paul
[2010-04-19 11:03:52] - Pierce: Maybe you can start a restaurant chain for people like you. Everything has to be puffed with air, so the portions look ginormous but don't way much. - Stephen
[2010-04-19 10:54:14] - "the hammer is clearly designed for hitting nails, and it is sold at a hardware store, next to nails. are you really restricted to using it for hitting nails? do you need to buy a special license to photograph it, or use it to tenderize meat?" link ~a
[2010-04-19 10:45:31] - I don't really ever get significantly hungry or full, so I just estimate by volume. if they sold an inflataburger that looked like it was gigantic but was just 100 calories puffed up with air, I would lose so much weight. - pierce
[2010-04-19 10:42:41] - sadly, I tend to just take what seems like "one serving" as the metric for how full I should feel, even though I know basically everything we're sold in this country is like 2.5 servings at least. if you put a burger in front of me at mealtime, my reaction is going to basically be "okay, serving size: one burger". - pierce
[2010-04-19 10:42:23] - ok well when we've got 7 again, I think I'm ready to start another game. - mig
[2010-04-19 10:28:31] - a: I don't know if there is a good way to measure it beyond going with experience. I guess I'll have to try a double down to see how long it takes before I am hungry again.
-Paul[2010-04-19 10:24:28] - paul: fair enough. but how should we measure fullness? ~a
[2010-04-19 10:22:24] - stephen: cholesterol and sodium. ~a
[2010-04-19 10:17:53] - a: I've found that calories do not have a strong correlation to how full I feel, though. 800 calories of a hamburger fills me up a lot more than 800 calories of a salad (with dressing). -Paul
[2010-04-19 10:17:03] - Pierce: I'm trying to figure out how the grilled double down is worse than the regular one, when it has fewer calories due to the lack of a fried crispy coating. - Stephen
[2010-04-19 10:11:54] - "Things would look even worse for the Double Down if we also punished it for its lack of fiber ... But fast food restaurants are inconsistent about publishing this information, so it's getting a break." hehe. ~a
[2010-04-19 10:07:34] - pierce: i think the "per calorie" graph (the second one) is the most telling. many people (myself included) will eat until they are full. one double-down might not be enough
~a[2010-04-19 10:06:04] - daniel: its mostly my fault I havent been focused on the game enough so I have been waiting til the last minute to put in my orders... ~gurkie
[2010-04-19 09:58:17] - Daniel: It's moved very slowly. We've had a few turns go to very close to their time limit. We're getting close to another tipping point though. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-19 09:52:53] - Is it just because I'm not in it anymore or is 2010-02 moving super slowly? -Daniel
[2010-04-19 09:46:34] - that new KFC sandwich by the numbers - pierce
[2010-04-19 09:22:46] - Seems the same color to me. -Daniel
[2010-04-19 08:41:08] - maybe it's your eyes!
~a[2010-04-19 08:34:24] - OK, is my monitor going bad, or is the message board a slightly greener grey than it was last week? -- Xpovos
[2010-04-17 12:52:44] - vinnie: i can see use for the day clock. i was at a friend's place whose grandfather was completely senile. the family printed out a piece of paper that said the day and date every day and taped it to the wall. hoping he would stop asking every 5 minutes. it worked. -nina
[2010-04-16 16:06:51] - vinnie: I hope kitschy and sarcastic... ~gurkie
[2010-04-16 16:05:27] - Pierce: Might want to get that cough checked out. Sounds like it could be conspicuous. -Paul
[2010-04-16 15:54:15] - I've actually seen good reviews of the alarm clock that has a propeller that flies off when the alarm triggers. the alarm keeps sounding until you go find it and put it back, which is good for people who have a tendency to mindlessly turn off their alarms... not that I know anyone like that *CONSPICUOUS COUGH* - pierce
[2010-04-16 15:28:01] - When I was young I really wanted the toy atm... But alas my parents never thought it was worth the money. ~gurkie
[2010-04-16 15:26:15] - I can't decide if the clock that tells you what day it is is meant to be kitschy or serious - vinnie
[2010-04-16 15:22:28] - actually I think a lot of the Skymall products are like that. their function is too specific and they kind of just clutter your house - vinnie
[2010-04-16 15:21:32] - there's a lot of different reasons why these products are ridiculous. some don't seem to serve a useful function, others look silly. there are some like the doggie ramp that could be useful, but it seems like there should be something else you can use that would serve the same function, like I dunno, a wooden board or something - vinnie
[2010-04-16 15:19:57] - gurkie: indeed I did
- vinnie[2010-04-16 15:18:10] - vinnie: did you post the gravity defying shoes? ~gurkie
[2010-04-16 15:10:28] - aaron: i think the doggie-minivan-ramp makes sense for small dogs, or really old dogs, it just doesn't make sense for young healthy golden retrievers. -nina
[2010-04-16 15:02:51] - my coworker was arguing for the doggy-minivan-ramp. he says that old dogs shouldn't jump down from the minivan. . . . old owners wouldn't be able to pick up the dog. ~a
[2010-04-16 14:30:14] - aaron: my favorite was the double umbrella - vinnie
[2010-04-16 14:13:10] - vinnie: ahhh the doggy-minivan-ramp is so ridiculous. a lot of good ones on that page - aaron
[2010-04-16 13:57:22] - been laughing over these today: http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=57018 - vinnie
[2010-04-16 13:44:00] - yeah that's a sweet image. some time you're not at work check out the other images from that artist. they're all pretty sweet. also it's too bad he's anti-svg. ~a
[2010-04-16 13:21:46] - a: heh yeah i'm keeping an eye on those pages. okay, i can't believe wikipedia has a very very graphic article on "teabagging". i really need to not babysit that tea party article at work - aaron
[2010-04-16 13:13:19] - a: sounds like those tea party infiltrators must have gotten swept up in the enthusiasm of the crowd! - aaron
[2010-04-16 11:22:46] - paul: yeah the daily show was talking about that last night. people weren't acting as crazy as they had hoped. nobody yelling out racist/bigoted slurs. i'm not at all surprised, i only remember a few crazy signs at our rally and only one crazy person. ~a
[2010-04-16 11:14:12] - aaron: Talk:Tea Party movement#Mark williams?
~a[2010-04-16 11:13:22] - xpovos: some day monkey won't play piano song. play piano song - vinnie
[2010-04-16 11:10:33] - vinnie: i was thinking that it would be a combination of sim city but with impacts showing the effects on other government agencies. -nina
[2010-04-16 10:57:32] - http://www.teapartyexpress.org/about/ heh heh so mark williams is, in fact, chairman of the "Tea Party Express" which is one of the tea party groups that's going around touring - aaron
[2010-04-16 10:49:04] - Aaron: His description certainly seems to jive with what I experienced when I went to the tea party event in Reston. -Paul
[2010-04-16 10:48:09] - Aaron: Yeah, I was very surprised by the article. Not only does it seem very open-minded about the tea party, but it also seems to be somewhat favorable to it (despite the mention of the disputed racial slurs incident). -Paul
[2010-04-16 10:27:55] - paul: that's cool CNN is giving coverage like that to the tea party, and publishing articles like that. the conspiracy nut in me saw "group leader Mark Williams" yesterday, and thought CNN had snuck that in as a way of discrediting the movement by associating the two - aaron
[2010-04-16 10:25:04] - vinnie: yeah, that's what i was thinking. except without the map. - aaron
[2010-04-16 09:42:05] - http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/07/tea.party.rallies/index.html An African American CNN producer talks about his experiences with the tea party. -Paul
[2010-04-16 09:39:51] - aaronina: isn't that pretty much sim city? - vinnie
[2010-04-16 06:56:24] - vinnie: Apparently though I failed back in 2001, I do have the Beatles parody Powerpuff girl episode somehow taped and digitized... -- Xpovos
[2010-04-15 18:29:03] - nina: heh. heh. it'll be tough to make it complex enough that any solution is realistic. i could balance the budget by reducing taxes and spending to zero. also by destroying all human life on the planet. - aaron
[2010-04-15 17:54:00] - aaron: i like the idea of a video game that forces people to balance the budget. i think it'll be very challenging to make it fun, though, and I wonder if there would be a consequence aspect. like removing all funding from the EPA would increase water pollution and public health issues (i.e. increased deaths and sickness, thereby increasing costs for HHS??) -nina
[2010-04-15 17:53:30] - http://www.urlesque.com/2010/04/14/cat-plays-with-ipad-apps/ cat + ipad = aaron
[2010-04-15 16:49:11] - aaron: He does seem to have a lot of the crazy characteristics that make me personally wary of the TP. He's a birther, a truther, a homophobe, and extremely vocal about all three. The good news is, as I mentioned before, the TP is very fragmented, so any leadership he claims he has is highly limited, and suspect at the same time. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-15 16:32:35] - i'm not going to bother posting articles on why he's a nut case. just google mark williams tea party yourself. i really hope for the party's sake they somehow distance themselves from that guy. he has a lot of quotes that are very funny until you realize he's supposedly the head of an actual political movement - aaron
[2010-04-15 16:30:09] - gurkie: aaaaugh "group leader mark williams"? i really hope that's not true. i was kind of basing a lot of my respect for the group on the grounds that mark williams had no actual affiliation with the group - aaron
[2010-04-15 15:45:29] - maybe it can be used to decide if the coke gets poured over mig's head... ~gurkie
[2010-04-15 15:43:16] - on the TP note... http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/15/tea.party/index.html?hpt=T1 ~gurkie
[2010-04-15 15:37:46] - haha. from the comments: "It's like the Last Starfighter! Whoever gets the highest score will be abducted into the night and forced into the position of National Treasurer." ~a
[2010-04-15 15:29:11] - http://kotaku.com/5517495/obama-administration-wants-microsoft-to-make-a-video-game the obama administration's answer to "america's army". take that, W! - aaron
[2010-04-15 15:18:51] - a: awww but not pedopode? philophile? - aaron
[2010-04-15 15:14:45] - Tch! 1919. That's like it was born yesterday, no wonder I dislike it. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-15 15:13:24] - haha, thank you mw. now i know phobophobia is a word?
~a[2010-04-15 15:11:01] - xpovos: mw and wiktionary ~a
[2010-04-15 15:07:48] - pierce: I dunno. Partier just isn't an English word to me. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-15 14:49:32] - pierce, stephen: no offense, but my Greg Page gas range will take this fight... in a wok - vinnie
[2010-04-15 14:39:10] - a: I want to google that, because I think the image results will be funny. maybe when I get home - vinnie
[2010-04-15 14:32:58] - what's wrong with the legend of teabagger vance? ~a
[2010-04-15 14:32:11] - xpovos: what's wrong with "tea partiers"? - pierce
[2010-04-15 14:29:34] - gurkie: paul easily scares, but he'll soon be back, and in greater numbers. ~a
[2010-04-15 14:29:31] - vinnie: I know, I've tried to avoid calling them teabaggers, but it really is easiest, almost. Tea Party activists is the most neutral I can come up with, and even that is usually inaccurate, and rife with possibilities. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-15 14:26:29] - TP, teabaggers... this movement chose the easiest name to make fun of - vinnie
[2010-04-15 14:22:32] - pierce: Agreed. It's generally acknowledged that the TP pulls from the fiscally conservative portion of the Republican party rather than the morally conservative side. Or at least pulls with a greater force. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-15 14:14:10] - xpovos: and yet 54% of tea partiers call themselves republicans versus 28% of all respondents (including the tea partiers, if I understand that correctly). even I'd agree there's "some" difference between the tea party and the republican party as a whole, but it can still be different if it's essentially a subset of the party as a whole. - pierce
[2010-04-15 14:02:55] - Pierce: So, from that poll we can see that most Americans don't know what the Tea Party really stands for yet so as to know whether or not those values it has are in-line with the rest of the country, and that a strong plurality agree that it is at least somewhat different from the Republican form of conservative ideology. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-15 13:54:36] - Pierce: You can borrow my thrilla in manila grilla, don't worry. - Stephen
[2010-04-15 13:50:02] - aaron: dammit! what about my cassius clay oven? my joe frazier brazier? my herbie hide hibachi? - pierce
[2010-04-15 13:48:21] - paul: come back, im sorry I didnt mean it... forgive me? ... please? ~gurkie
[2010-04-15 13:43:42] - stephen: your grill can't share its name with a heavyweight boxing champ - aaron
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