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[2010-05-03 10:49:51] - paul: I don't, but I might consider it for my next computer. - mig
[2010-05-03 10:47:29] - Actually, does anybody here have liquid cooling in their desktop? I'm intrigued by the possibility, since I'm guessing it's a lot quieter than fan cooling, but I wonder if it makes it hell to upgrade things like a video card. -Paul
[2010-05-03 10:40:50] - if you're picking between the 2 based on what aaron has said I'd go with alienware. - mig
[2010-05-03 10:31:27] - Cool, sounds like Dell or Alienware might be the way to go. Thanks for the advice, everybody. -Paul
[2010-05-03 10:30:24] - Paul: You may want to consider just a RAM upgrade, then. That's pretty cheap. $100 or less will get you flying as much as your current board can handle. But check the specs on any upcoming games you want to play first (SC2, D3, etc). -- Xpovos
[2010-05-03 10:28:20] - aaron: hmm ok, I was just basing it on my laptop's price, I figured the desktops were cheaper, but I didn't realize they were that comparable to other vendors. - mig
[2010-05-03 10:26:45] - pierce: it is, i agree (i have one). however, dell might have gotten a deal on a cheap version. ~a
[2010-05-03 10:24:14] - a: the barracuda line from seagate is generally well-respected, it was just this particular firmware that craps out. the data was actually 100% fine, the firmware just had a chance to make the drive completely inaccessible without specialized equipment. - pierce
[2010-05-03 10:20:13] - mig: when i compared prices between dell/gateway/alienware the prices were surprisingly comparable. the alienware was like $80 more which was worth it to me cause it came with a free windows 7 upgrade. also some upgrades like the liquid cooling package aren't offered by other vendors, they're alienware-specific - aaron
[2010-05-03 10:17:19] - pierce: it might be dells fault. dell is known for buying insanely cheap components. ~a
[2010-05-03 10:15:17] - paul: and yes, I'm happy with it other than the fact that the seagate drive it came with was from a faulty line (which was a big hoo-hah against seagate when it happened but I didn't hear about it until two weeks ago when the drive fritzed out). that's not really dell's fault though. - pierce
[2010-05-03 10:14:51] - haha, slashdot poll: "How Old Is the Oldest Computer You Regularly Use?" ~a
[2010-05-03 10:13:56] - paul: I have an XPS and it's ridiculously easy to upgrade stuff in it. - pierce
[2010-05-03 10:13:39] - paul: get a new one. i do a lot of stuff on my computers so i like to get a new one every five years (and i always buy the parts and put them together). ~a
[2010-05-03 10:08:36] - alienware cpus are very nice and stylish, but I think they're a tad overpriced (though I didn't mind paying a permium for a good gaming laptop). - mig
[2010-05-03 10:06:53] - paul: ever since i was old enough to pick out my own computers, i've tried to spend around $3,000 but that's getting harder and harder. free market ftw - aaron
[2010-05-03 10:06:26] - paul: get a new one man. i got a pretty high powered quad core with 12 gigs of ram and a high-end video card from alienware, for like $2,000 - aaron
[2010-05-03 10:04:51] - Xpovos: My current computer is still (surprisingly) perfectly good enough for about 90% of what I do, but sometimes I go a little crazy with my multitasking (web browsing, viewing videos, text editing) and it starts to struggle. I thought about upgrading since I think I only ever upgraded the video card once, but then I realized my computer is probably 7 years old. -Paul
[2010-05-03 10:02:43] - paul: i get all my PCs from alienware. i've never had a problem running games but i always get ridiculously overpowered machines to avoid needing to upgrade frequently - aaroun
[2010-05-03 09:53:39] - Paul: I have a Dell, but it was one that is specifically designed to be tinkered with, from the old XPS line. At this point it's about as tinkered as it'll get. Maxed RAM @ maxed clock, maxed CPU, solid graphics card. I wonder if it will be enough for SC 2. But it's more than enough to kick Win7, and take names while doing so. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-03 09:52:41] - aba: are you playing ranked games? Sometimes it places you in the "wrong" league so you end up playing people who are way too good or really bad? - mig
[2010-05-03 09:49:14] - pierce: I remember one time trying it myself I accidentally fried a memory stick. - mig
[2010-05-03 09:48:28] - paul: all my pcs have been custom built, as I mentioned I think at poker my dad has a bit of a side business doing that for people. - mig
[2010-05-03 09:35:10] - Pierce: And are you happy with your system? I've heard some bad things about Dell's being difficult to upgrade. -Paul
[2010-05-03 09:33:52] - paul: mine's from dell. the few times I've tried doing it myself I ended up with an ugly mess internally and a buggy system from the hardware incompatibilities. granted that that was back in the '95/'98 days though, things have probably come a long way. - pierce
[2010-05-03 09:27:28] - People who game on their PCs: Did you guys put together your own computers or are they from Dell or HP or something? I'm thinking I might need/want to upgrade mine within the next year or so. -Paul
[2010-05-03 09:05:02] - aaron: hehe I didn't even realize weezer had played a cover. and of a song I've heard before no less (though only a couple times) - vinnie
[2010-05-02 22:28:00] - lol. remind me of this video if i ever decide to do any "serious" mountain biking . . . yt ~a
[2010-05-02 20:50:11] - Stephen: That's another aspect to the issue entirely. I look very much forward to the battle if it goes to the SC. We haven't had a massive states right argument in a long time. And this one proves to be just as racially divisive as the last ones. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 20:49:17] - a: No, personally I don't. But I can see the argument from the point of view of someone more in favor of it than I am. If it takes a totalitarian and racist state to enforce laws, then I can see a statist being in favor of totalitarian and racist laws. Regardless of whether this is racist... -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 19:27:19] - xpovos: Even if the ends justify the means, that doesn't make the means legal. It's funny how often legislators forget or ignore that. - Stephen
[2010-05-02 18:36:15] - xpovos: do you actually think the ends justify the means? that seems a little weird. at an unmeasurable cost, we get those damn illegals out of our country? ~a
[2010-05-02 18:35:07] - or we probably could ask the random people we play online to add a handicap. ~a
[2010-05-02 18:34:26] - aba: i have the same problem. maybe we should play. ~a
[2010-05-02 17:49:38] - so in the sc2 beta i can beat the AI easy peasy but get trashed by other players. any suggestions for some skill level in between? - aba
[2010-05-02 14:35:47] - But, do I agree with those ends? No. I'm in favor of pretty much unlimited free immigration. I'd be OK with amnesty. But as far as this law goes, I'm neutral to it. It enforces the idiocy that is the law. I can't complain about that, particularly since it will almost certainly result in the law being changed in my ideology's favor. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 14:34:25] - a: Depends on what you want out of the law. I've read many articles where illegal immigrants are being quoted as saying that this makes them feel (unwelcome, targetted, etc.) and therefore they intend to leave (go back to their country of origin). Since that is the purpose of the law, it seems to be a complete victory. Do the ends justify the means? Probably. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 11:49:38] - vamy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIEOZCcaXzE the song weezer covered at the concert was kids by mgmt. but it didn't have the cool synth bassline that ties the song together! or maybe it was just drowned out - aaron
[2010-05-02 11:22:16] - "iphone products are 100% proprietary. they are only available from apple, and apple has sole authority as to their future enhancement, pricing, etc. while iphone products are widely available, this does not mean they are open, since they are controlled entirely by apple and available only from apple. by almost any definition, the iphone is a closed system." hehe. ~a
[2010-05-02 10:48:25] - i think because of the "very ugly racial undertones" this law is a total and complete failure. do you agree with that? ~a
[2010-05-02 07:22:12] - Of course, just that it could be implemented in a non-racist way, does not mean that there won't be very ugly racial undertones. I'm just stating that the law itself is not de facto racist. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 07:21:21] - But it's not racist. Having to display a driver's license when stopped for another traffic offense: not racist. Being required to provide additional documentation: not racist. They could be implemented racially, but shouldn't be. I'd love for Arizona to have a northern border with Canada to test it out. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 07:20:08] - Now, generally, if you get pulled over and don't have your license, you'll usually get a request to present it to them within a short period of time, and if you do, no penalty. In AZ, now, that's been removed, or slightly modified. I'll need to be able to provide such documentation faster and while probably under arrest. That's pretty harsh. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 07:12:54] - a: I have too, but only about 5-6 times total in over 15 years of driving. If I got pulled over during one of those trips, I already knew I might be in trouble. Driving without a license is a problem by itself--though obviously one cops aren't able to (or going to) check on without other prior cause. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-02 03:34:38] - people forget their drivers license pretty often. i've driven without mine accidentally before. i'm sure a lot of us have. ~a
[2010-05-01 14:33:51] - aaron: If the person they have pulled over produces a driver's license, they've complied with that aspect of the law. I'd be OK with them demanding some additional form of documentation from anyone (regardless of any other aspects to the situation, including race) who they pull over who doesn't have a driver's license. -- Xpovos
[2010-05-01 12:53:38] - vinnie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNard4GS0CA madonna's song "holiday" did have a music video released in 1984 but it was so bad it was never broadcast. you win! - aaron
[2010-05-01 12:43:22] - it's cool too that thanks to MLB some republicans like ken kendrick are against the law, that'll increase the odds of it being repealed or whatever before late july - aaron
[2010-05-01 12:41:53] - mig: i have to think some fraction of the police force is against the law too. if i were them i'd start by enforcing the law to every person i pulled over regardless of skin color. "where's your immigration papers? well then where's your birth certificate? yeah well you don't like white to me. alright hands behind your head" - aaron
[2010-05-01 02:23:54] - nobody's online to play with me
- mig[2010-04-30 18:48:18] - aba, i usually play in the evenings. . . . except not today, or tomorrow. ~a
[2010-04-30 18:37:11] - the mac client just got released, so if anyone has the sc2 beta, i'm registered under the email address info @ mylastname .com - aba
[2010-04-30 17:04:54] - a: it's a fake movie trailer for what George's life would be if it was a serious film. -nina
[2010-04-30 15:37:16] - xpovos: yay! welcome to the club now you too can be in debt for the next 30 years of your life... or more if you refinance like me ~gurkie
[2010-04-30 15:37:00] - me! i'll have to watch that when i get home. ~a
[2010-04-30 15:34:14] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Crw85HvIFs&feature=player_embedded are there seinfeld fans in msg board? -nina
[2010-04-30 14:53:33] - http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmLN4PiM14aSj8U1LlgyIRERvLYF?slug=jp-arizonaimmigration042910 an unintended consequence of the new Arizona immigration law. - mig
[2010-04-30 14:32:08] - xpovos: mhm the government loves homeowners, they've been giving me a lot of kickbacks over the past 2 years. starting with a credit when i first bought my house (i think like $10,000 or something ridiculous?) and this year there was some sort of bill that let people refinance at new lowered interest rates for free - aaron
[2010-04-30 14:26:45] - Xpovos: Congrats. Enjoy your massive federal income tax refund in a little under a year.
-Paul[2010-04-30 14:20:25] - xpovos: congrats!... I think? - vinnie
[2010-04-30 14:17:37] - I am officially a home-owner. Or more accurately a home-debtor, but there it is... -- Xpovos
[2010-04-30 13:14:39] - gurkie: how do we know the "someone is cheating" comment was you, though? - pierce
[2010-04-30 12:39:32] - gurkie: I heard you say it, loud and clear. - plaunve
[2010-04-30 12:27:32] - HEY!!! Someone is cheating I didnt say that! ~gurkie
[2010-04-30 12:06:44] - Dewey: You are a poop head. ~gurkie
[2010-04-30 11:45:58] - Dewey: Happy Birthday!!! (this is the post the title wanted you to read... I dont really know why) ~gurkie
[2010-04-30 11:07:30] - "If insufficient green energy sources are available, the utility must develop new ones or contract with a third party energy supplier to provide green energy, causing more to be built. However, there is no way the consumer can check whether or not the electricity bought is "green" or otherwise."
[2010-04-30 11:07:04] - purchasing "green energy" seems a little fishy to me. - mig
[2010-04-30 08:58:18] - mig: if it's like their old house, probably technically zero http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp - vinnie
[2010-04-30 01:27:59] - wp i wonder what the carbon footprint is on that delaware sized, burning mansion we all bought... drill there, drill now! ~a
[2010-04-29 21:09:32] - http://www.latimes.com/features/home/la-hm-hotprop-gore-20100428,0,4103538.story i wonder what the carbon footprint is on that mansion Al Gore bought... - mig
[2010-04-29 19:11:30] - aaron: arcade fire are pretty popular in indie circles. I wouldn't be surprised if whatever you read was deliberately referencing them (though obv just their name, not their sound)
- vinnie[2010-04-29 18:03:24] - vinnie: lol? that's a weird coincidence - aaron
[2010-04-29 16:32:59] - aaron: heh what a misleading comparison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_Fire I did a double-take at your statement before I realized what you meant - vinnie
[2010-04-29 15:58:03] - xpovos: yeah http://crystalcastles.com/ you can check out some of their music and videos on their official site. i've heard their sound compared to an "arcade fire" which sounds about right - aaron
[2010-04-29 15:39:43] - I was having G-problems, they appear to be resolved now. Is Crystal Castles a band? -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 15:37:27] - everything's good for me. google calendar, gmail, it's all good - aaron
[2010-04-29 15:27:39] - gtalk appears to be working fine for me, though. - mig
[2010-04-29 15:23:58] - does anybody want to see crystal castles at the 9:30 club in august? - aaron
[2010-04-29 15:21:59] - stephen: yeah i'm having problems accessing gmail at the moment. - mig
[2010-04-29 15:21:50] - a: I work from home on Wednesdays, and I might be free early on Wednesday evening, but my weekdays are usually pretty packed. -Paul
[2010-04-29 15:20:56] - Stephen: I'm having general google issues. -Paul
[2010-04-29 15:17:41] - a: What about the Mozilla ActiveX Control? -Paul
[2010-04-29 15:14:18] - Anyone else having gmail/gchat issues? - Stephen
[2010-04-29 15:05:30] - paul: for starters it's a closed standard so nobody would even know how to implement it. what do you expect firefox to do? ~a
[2010-04-29 14:59:04] - sure, do you want to pick a time to do that? i'm free mondays and wednesdays. is anybody planning something for cinco de mayo? ~a
[2010-04-29 14:45:24] - a: Maybe I think adding corn-based ethanol to our gasoline is a stupid idea, but that doesn't mean that I want my car engine to not run if I put gasoline with ethanol in it. -Paul
[2010-04-29 14:40:50] - a: Again, I don't choose browsers to make statements. I choose them based on what seems to work best for me, which means they kinda have to work on websites I visit. -paul
[2010-04-29 14:38:44] - a: What are the reasons firefox can't include activeX? Are they purely security reasons? If so, I am sympathetic, but if a website I wanted to go to required activeX, I would blame firefox. -Paul
[2010-04-29 14:37:25] - a: On a completely different topic... want to explain to me how I install Lucid Lynx Netbook Edition on my netbook sometime?
-Paul[2010-04-29 14:36:50] - there are plenty of reasons why firefox can't include activex. if more websites used activex, you would think firefox should be including activex? ~a
[2010-04-29 14:34:39] - a: There really isn't anything firefox could do in that situation. On the other hand, if the website requires flash, and there is no good reason why firefox can't include flash, then I blame firefox. -Paul
[2010-04-29 14:33:59] - a: Well, based on which one it seems. In my first example, it seemed like the website was checking to see if I was running an "approved" browser, saw that I wasn't, and kicked me out. -Paul
[2010-04-29 14:23:56] - how do you decide when it is firefox's fault and when it's the website's fault? ~a
[2010-04-29 14:23:20] - this has been really useful. the article seemed to be full of contradictions, but i don't know the platforms well enough to really understand how it's wrong. you know, sometimes something just feels wrong in the gut. and apple actively excluding one platform that is pretty ubiquitous on the interwebs just feels wrong. -nina
[2010-04-29 14:22:41] - (as a tangent, for the baking website, "user agent switcher" works very well) ~a
[2010-04-29 14:22:35] - a: This reminds me a lot of our discussion before about how IE wasn't following the established standards.
-Paul[2010-04-29 14:22:00] - a: But if firefox all of a sudden decided that it wouldn't support flash, then I would blame firefox, because I don't use web browsers to make a statement about open standards, I use it so I can view webpages. -Paul
[2010-04-29 14:21:52] - so how do you decide? ~a
[2010-04-29 14:21:05] - a: Well, it somewhat depends. My online banking website used to tell me that it only works in IE X or higher when I visited in Firefox. In that case, I blamed the website since I assumed that it was just checking to see if I was running IE or not. -Paul
[2010-04-29 14:17:43] - if i said that the message board now requires that you're running IE, you'd consider switching to IE? you wouldn't be, like, damn the message board sucks. ~a
[2010-04-29 14:14:10] - really? so, if a website that required activex or silverlight or .net or something didn't work on your computer, you'd always blame your computer? you would never blame the proponent of the closed technology? ~a
[2010-04-29 14:12:50] - mig: I figured you and Dewey would be at each other's throats, though. You probably would have decided to cease hostilities and go after me, but it would have made for an entertaining opener. - stephen
[2010-04-29 14:10:13] - a: I didn't mean to imply that you were. I actually would mind it if a website that requires activex or silverlight wouldn't work on my computer, I just apparently don't run into that problem very often. -Paul
[2010-04-29 14:07:35] - paul: i'm not as extreme as you would have people believe. i play dvd movies and h.264 movies on my home computer. i also play games that work in wine (like starcraft 2 and portal). i on the other hand, don't mind terribly when a website that requires activex or requires silverlight doesn't work on my computer. since you use firefox, i'm guessing you agree. ~a
[2010-04-29 14:02:07] - http://reason.com/assets/mc/jwalker/2010_04/bushobama.jpg Creepy. -Paul
[2010-04-29 13:58:29] - Daniel: I remember the last time Germany foolishly listened to England and went anti-Russian early in the game. He ended up with a knife in his back! Of course, I was England in that game, and Andrew was Germany.... but my point stands! -Paul
[2010-04-29 13:54:24] - I wouldn't swallow up my good friend Paul. I'm sure Andrew and I would sit around eating tea and crumpets while waiting for his return to then commence conflict in a honorable fashion. Feel free to send all your units to russia now that you have our assurances Paul. -Daniel
[2010-04-29 13:53:49] - a: I understand you can't have your cake and eat it too, but I think I would rather eat the cake (have non-open-source capabilities) than have it (push for open-sourceness). I would like my computers to be able to play DVD movies, thank you very much. -Paul
[2010-04-29 13:52:30] - you more than likely get Warsaw out of the opening, but you cede holland and belgium to france and england, and they can swallow you up very quickly. - mig
[2010-04-29 13:52:26] - Aaron: I actually wanted to give the Russian suicide opening a try this game, but figured it was a bad idea for a few reasons. -Paul
[2010-04-29 13:51:57] - Stephen: Whew, I'm glad you didn't. I couldn't have held off you and Turkey both coming straight at me. -Daniel
[2010-04-29 13:51:45] - stephen: well it's not really mean, it literally is suicide for you. - mig
[2010-04-29 13:51:35] - Aaron: Heh, yeah. Austria going after Italy was somewhat flukey since I couldn't convince Sam to block you out of Greece and saw an opportunity to cripple Italy early. Italy going after France was unlucky because I had just seen an anti-France opening that I loved and wanted to try out. -Paul
[2010-04-29 13:50:42] - aaron: I almost did the Russian suicide opening when I was Germany, but I decided it was mean to do it against someone I had never met. - Stephen
[2010-04-29 13:42:23] - now I don't blame Apple for not liking the fact that they experience competitive pressure, but that's not part of a principled argument against open frameworks. - pierce
[2010-04-29 13:40:55] - A lot of web pages have much better cross-platform mobile interfaces than Apple-approved apps developed directly for the iphone, and vice-versa. Cross-platform doesn't mean bad. It means a performance hit, yes, but that is often offset by the advantages of exposing applications to extra eyes and by putting competitive pressure on the hardware manufacturers. - pierce
[2010-04-29 13:38:31] - mig: i'm still waiting for some germany to do the "russian suicide opening"
i thought this might be the game, given the aggressive way paul's gone after me recently - aaron[2010-04-29 13:36:34] - I don't buy Jobs' sixth (and self-proclaimed most important) argument that cross-platform development layer inherently weakens application quality. The funny thing is, he undermines his own argument by touting the open benefits of Webkit. HTML+JS is the most successful cross-platform development layer in computing history. - pierce
[2010-04-29 13:16:26] - If only people could play it on an Iphone.
-Daniel[2010-04-29 13:13:17] - I should note that is a flash game, if the website (New Grounds) wasn't obvious enough. It's called "Super Mario Crossover". Interesting concept, and pretty well executed. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 13:10:51] - This is pretty awesome. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/534416 -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 13:05:18] - If I really hated adrian i would have down the Italian suicide opening (Tri -> Adr, Bud->Tri, Vie-Tyr) - mig
[2010-04-29 12:46:17] - pierce: ok, my bad. ~a
[2010-04-29 12:45:46] - the name's plaunve - plaunve
[2010-04-29 12:43:34] - pierce: thanks. ~a
[2010-04-29 12:42:21] - a: impropriety - plaunve
[2010-04-29 12:33:08] - aaron: yeah, don't get me wrong, i'm rooting for apple on this one too. but i disagree with them on pretty much everything else and it's apparent from that paper. apple's products are both proprietary and restrictive. that's at least twice as worse than adobe's proprietaryness (what's the word?). ~a
[2010-04-29 12:30:28] - a: and last i heard, a lack of flash support by iphone/ipad was driving some websites to improve their flashless interfaces, which is a good thing. i'm kind of rooting for apple on this one. flash is cute but i shouldn't need it to order a pizza. - aaron
[2010-04-29 12:25:15] - a: hey hey black sea is just as much mine as it is his - aaron
[2010-04-29 12:22:39] - aaron: just like it's surprising that you would try to attack turkey despite his newbieness? ~a
[2010-04-29 12:17:59] - a:
- aaron[2010-04-29 12:16:33] - aaron: haha, very funny. ~a
[2010-04-29 12:16:02] - Daniel: No worries, I have this quadruple tongue-tie swear with myself to always abdicate the Channel to anyone that asks. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 12:14:35] - daniel: that's almost mean as miguel opening trieste -> venezia. he must just really hate adrian, he goes straight for him ever game - aaron
[2010-04-29 12:11:18] - daniel: brest -> picardy? was that your idea? that was mean - aaron
[2010-04-29 12:01:25] - On another note I guess my triple pinky double thumb toe swear didn't keep me out of the English Channel in the 2010-06 game. OH NOES! Sorry Andrew -Daniel
[2010-04-29 11:59:18] - Yeah I guess I'm just splitting my brain or something. As a user I don't really give a crap about standards or open vs proprietary as long as it works, doesn't cost me more, and I like it. As a developer I want people (read: me when not developing) to wise up and get with the future. So I understand to some degree but I still want flash on my phone. -Daniel
[2010-04-29 11:58:21] - paul: no you cannot have your cake and eat it too. ~a
[2010-04-29 11:51:04] - a: Maybe in the long term, but short term, I think users just want things to work... even if that means supporting things that are not open. -Paul
[2010-04-29 11:46:28] - daniel: i disagree with steve on most of the things in his paper, but promoting open standards is better for users and programmers. ~a
[2010-04-29 11:45:25] - daniel: as a user i understand that i have to give up some minor functionality in the present to promote a better experience in the long run. i think some users understand that and some do not. ~a
[2010-04-29 11:44:01] - He seems to be providing reaons to limit the abilities of his phone to protect people which seems pretty inline with apple's philosophy on a lot of stuff. However I would rather deal with the drawbacks and have a phone with wider ranging capabilities. -Daniel
[2010-04-29 11:42:48] - "apple’s revolutionary multi-touch interface doesn’t use a mouse" argh. there's too many things here that i hate. apple does not own multi-touch. there is plenty of prior-art here. ~a
[2010-04-29 11:41:28] - I don't think he was wrong about those things, its just that if I owned an Iphone I wouldn't care about those things. He doesn't want to support a closed standard? I as a consumer don't really care. As a developer I can appriciate that he is trying to push forward but as a user I want my phone to do everything I want not just what you think it should. -Daniel
[2010-04-29 11:40:49] - he's also arguing for h.264 right after arguing for open standards. that seems very hypocritical to me. h.264 is not an open standard and has become quite a point of contention in various web-browsers. ~a
[2010-04-29 11:33:44] - gurkie: The roll-over bit is a new one to me, I've heard most of the rest, and actually generally agree, but probably only because I hate Adobe more than I hate Apple. But it's not entirely Flash-specific either. Mouseover is a part of HTML for a lot of things. Image tooltips (would xkcd be as funny without?). It's absent in Android too. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 11:27:48] - the glint of truth is that alternatives to flash have had a hard time keeping up because the flash standards are not truly open even though they are public. in other words, adobe is being far better than ms .net or ms office (which jobs should really be complaining about), but adobe is not as good as the w3c (who publishes most of the web standards). ~a
[2010-04-29 11:25:11] - nina: "Adobe’s Flash products are 100% proprietary. They are only available from Adobe ... By almost any definition, Flash is a closed system" false, but with a glint of truth. in the freakin 90s, adobe open-sourced their api and made their specs publicly available. ~a
[2010-04-29 11:13:31] - http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ this is a really interesting explanation of why Apple hates Adobe/Flash. What do you guys think about this? From a programmer perspective, are they legit arguments? -nina
[2010-04-29 10:58:19] - gurkie: he has an iphone. ~a
[2010-04-29 10:51:39] - a: urm thats a description of what?a jock? cause that seems like vandalism to me then I dont think anyone here thought that is what I was saying... ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 10:43:20] - also isnt dewey in disney world ... doubt he is checking the msg board from there... ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 10:36:14] - gurkie: "Bullying, cruel and mean, in extreme cases antisocial or psychopathic personality structure with tendencies to violent crime" (from wikipedia). yeah that sums him up pretty well . . . ? ~a
[2010-04-29 10:29:26] - they just wanted to try and get me in trouble... ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 10:25:35] - it's not dewey's birthday yet. someone here suffers from premature congratulation. - pierce
[2010-04-29 10:21:41] - (i really hope the tone came across there as a teasing statement rather than as pure vanity) ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 10:19:46] - a: but imho I am way too cool to be the group nerd...
~gurkie[2010-04-29 10:18:51] - gurkie: so nominate yourself? you have a weird obsession with star wars, you did just use "submit" in a sentence, and for god sake, you're dating paul, our group-nerd. ~a
[2010-04-29 10:18:21] - I guess it boils down to how people are matched based on actions or based on personality... if we are going based off stereotypes and personality I would submit Dewey is more of the group jock ... (hope that isnt seen as an insult or that he doesnt read it) ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 10:17:20] - a: heh heh i'd have to put on like fifty pounds for it to be a fair fight. i've tried wrestling you and paul before, weight makes a big difference - aaron
[2010-04-29 10:15:21] - a: I totally 100% agree that he has nerdy habits and does nerdy things, but I think a lot of people here have just as many (or more) nerdy things they do... plus being as introverted as he is doesnt help his case... but as I said before if I were to nominate anyone I would see it as an insult, although I submit there are people who might take it as a compliment ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 10:07:21] - xpovos: sweet! if i win our group-nerd and group-jock prize then i'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. ~a
[2010-04-29 10:01:12] - I nominate plaunve! - pierce
[2010-04-29 10:00:49] - a: Without meaning to offend, in college I described you to someone who didn't know us as 'our alpha-geek'. I think then, you might take the prize as our nerd as well, you glory in some obscure programming languages, and seem to have the most intense of the nerd habits, generally that's a good thing, though. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 09:58:37] - as a counter point, i quote the sub-message for today: "it's the trailer for the dragonball movie. I think it looks pretty cool". also, he is currently the only nomination thanks to aparna, so he's going to win by default if we have a vote. ~a
[2010-04-29 09:53:35] - a: I am obviously biased but... I think he is too social (ironic) based on organizing things such as Poker, Basketball, and active TKD etc... to be the group nerd, that being said I am not going to put up any other names as I would probably think being the group nerd insulting... Other people wont find it a bad thing so I think its okay for them to suggest... ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 09:52:22] - aaron: do you want to learn to play chess-boxing with me?
though i have a feeling you have to be really good at boxing and only so-so at chess. ~a[2010-04-29 09:47:35] - gurkie: nerds can be active. anyways, if not paul, who is our nerd? ~a
[2010-04-29 09:39:40] - aaron: remind me never to travel with sandra bullock... seems WAY too dangerous
~gurkie[2010-04-29 09:37:49] - Paul: I dont think you would be the nerd... way too active. ~gurkie
[2010-04-29 09:26:52] - aaron: Travis is very skilled at basketball. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 09:23:29] - xpovos: adrian plays in the most sports? but they're weird sports like chess boxing that don't really count - aaron
[2010-04-29 09:19:11] - vinnie: Mostly just curiosity and a desire to play around a little--but to get some insight first. It seems that I remain fascinated, and yet at the periphery, of so much musical geekery. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 09:15:20] - Paul: Depends on how we define 'nerd', I guess. The interesting question is, who is our jock? -- Xpovos
[2010-04-29 09:11:23] - aba: Not sure if I should be offended or not. -Paul
[2010-04-29 06:20:29] - a: figured it was paul? or maybe that choice is too obvious. - aba
[2010-04-28 23:25:38] - a: yeah those fees are bs. but regardless, yay! we'll meet up with you there, somehow - vinnie
[2010-04-28 22:46:28] - vinnie: by $40, you mean $53?
what's the difference between the "service fee" and the "order processing" fee? regardless, i have a ticket. ~a[2010-04-28 22:41:24] - aba: who is our nerd? ~a
[2010-04-28 19:12:39] - aaron: oh.
well then, everyone should come, including Dewey! - vinnie[2010-04-28 19:09:42] - vinnie: no, it's not a party! just... his birthday! yeaaaaaah! - aaron
[2010-04-28 19:09:17] - http://www.speed3themovie.com/ omgomgomgomgomg - aaron
[2010-04-28 19:01:53] - also the show starts at 5 (but I'm not sure who goes on first, I'm guessing Folds since Weezer is billed higher) so there is a chance people could go to Dewey's afterward - vinnie
[2010-04-28 18:57:49] - aaron: hmm, I don't think I was invited to that
- vinnie[2010-04-28 18:57:20] - sorry, it's actually Weezer and Ben Folds! (whoops, sorry Ben) tickets are $40 - vinnie
[2010-04-28 18:56:10] - vinnie: friday is dewey's birthday! - aaron
[2010-04-28 18:47:47] - xpovos: we own Melodyne, which does the same thing. what do you need it for? - vinnie
[2010-04-28 18:46:56] - forgot to mention, it's general admission so anyone else who decides to buy, we can all hang out together - vinnie
[2010-04-28 18:45:01] - anyone interested in seeing Weezer this Friday? Amy and I just bought tickets http://www.ticketfly.com/tickets/event-details/?tfly_event_id=7231 - vinnie
[2010-04-28 18:37:16] - aba: heh heh very true - aaron
[2010-04-28 17:44:14] - http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson632.html - aba
[2010-04-28 16:42:36] - http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Bills-rookie-Ed-Wang-is-huge-in-China?urn=nfl,237148 interesting tidbit for hokie fans. - mig
[2010-04-28 16:16:10] - Do any of you music geeks own a copy of AutoTune? -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 16:14:49] - aaron: But it wasn't the needle the ruptured his aorta. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 16:02:05] - xpovos: yeah... surgery to remove a needle which he swallowed... - aaron
[2010-04-28 15:59:40] - aaron: Wow. And he died of an aortic rupture after surgery? How practically mundane. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 15:17:58] - mig: heh before they start giving out toys only for healthy food, maybe they should do some research on cognitive dissonance theory - aaron
[2010-04-28 15:16:17] - http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/news-man-who-could-be-skewered-sword-and-survive ewwwwww eww ew eww eww ewwwwww - aaron
[2010-04-28 15:11:00] - http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-happy-meals-20100428,0,6355743.story happy meals required to not have toys in Santa Clara, CA - mig
[2010-04-28 14:55:22] - aaron - We triple pinky double thumb toe sweared. So you KNOW neither of us is moving in. -Daniel
[2010-04-28 14:34:04] - aaron: Hah! -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 14:17:42] - oh for real? that was a lot faster than i expected. it usually takes england and france at least eight or nine days to double-pinky-swear not to move into the english channel
- aaron[2010-04-28 14:16:35] - speaking of diplomacy, once the french figures out how to deal with their 3 units, we can get this watch the fireworks begin
[2010-04-28 13:46:56] - Daniel: At this point I don't think there are any U.S.-unreleased FFs. The last one was 3? That got a DS port and a massive graphic upgrade too. I'd stick with ChronoTrigger, Secret of Mana & sequel, some of the better Dragon Quest/Warrior titles, maybe even Illusion of Gaia. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 13:31:27] - I don't need more FF. I'm still working through FFXIII. Though if they ported over some of the ones previously unreleased in US that would be cool. -Daniel
[2010-04-28 13:28:05] - xpovos: Not sure. They do have FF7 and FF8 available on the PSN store for download, and i think for a while they were the most popular downloads. - mig
[2010-04-28 13:26:19] - mig: I was recently thinking about how much money Square (now SquareEnix) could make by simply porting some of their older and harder to find classics over to modern systems in the 'arcade' sense. PS3's Home, or XBLA, or Wii's equivilant. Preferably all three. I'd pay $10 for a copy of ChronoTrigger on my Xbox360, no doubt. Maybe $15... -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 13:23:59] - xpovos: i wouldn't expect a full fledged remake of either ff5 or ff6 anytime in the near future. FF6 in particular was a pretty massive game on its own, I doubt that one would ever happen. - mig
[2010-04-28 13:15:07] - it turned out nobody but me was familiar with the wme/mao bottleneck so daniel soloed. that's my real problem in diplomacy - everyone but me making stupid decisions that invariably cause both of us to lose - aaron
[2010-04-28 13:11:52] - that was actually one shortcoming of the wilson thing. there was an obvious stalemate line which we could reach, if everyone would just leave me alone for one turn. but i couldn't tell everyone explicitly, because if daniel picked up on it, he could have stopped it. so i had to just kind of trust everyone to do the smart thing - aaron
[2010-04-28 13:09:46] - mig: hey i could have easily stopped daniel from soloing by if everyone would have just let me contain him, by letting me hold MAO. mitch and his buddy were just more interested in losing than winning. i can't help that one - aaron
[2010-04-28 12:38:23] - aaron: it clearly was, since he won that game. - mig
[2010-04-28 12:34:47] - daniel: super-italy is no match for super-northern-russia-france-and-oh-yeah-ankara-but-only-to-screw-miguel! - aaron
[2010-04-28 12:27:36] - The no secrets diplomacy game was pretty fun. It was funny when you had three people vying for a spot and you had to try and work a deal with both while actually succeeding in making a deal with at least one. Also the picking the starting spots was fun. Long live super Italy. -Daniel
[2010-04-28 12:25:48] - Now I want to see the emails aaron came up with. -Daniel
[2010-04-28 12:11:40] - xpovos: which was really funny
you literally had to lie to people, to their face, to plan any sort of attack. i thought it was great fun. it would be insane for seven, but i think it makes four/five player games very enjoyable. we didn't have any long-lasting alliances, which is essential for a fun 4-player game - aaron[2010-04-28 12:10:48] - xpovos: heh heh yeah, a lot of times people were just honest. but then a lot of times it was like, "so italy, i was thinking we could steal Portugal in two turns, if you support me into MAO. sound good?" and then, "so france! i think i talked italy into doing something stupid with West Med, so you don't have to worry about his attack. now let's talk germany..." - aaron
[2010-04-28 12:08:31] - aaron: Interesting. I wonder how it would differ for me. Most of my communication is pretty straight-forward... at least, I think so. Everyone else seems to think I'm scheming and plotting their demise. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 11:56:15] - also i don't know if i ever told you about the game of diplomacy we played with "wilson rules", where all diplomacy had to happen at the table, out loud. no whispering, no secret signals, nothing like that. it was a lot of fun. or at least i thought so - aaron
[2010-04-28 11:55:15] - xpovos: just copy and paste the e-mails i sent you. they worked pretty good! daniel's a pushover - aaron
[2010-04-28 11:44:18] - xpovos: this time i bet you can get it! - aaron
[2010-04-28 10:12:36] - I think I must be a bad Diplomacy player. In all the times I've played as England or France I've never once been able to negotiate effectively to take control of the Channel. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-28 08:30:02] - http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7983&mp=1 We had some comments a few days back about FFVI on DS. I'm looking forward to it too, but it looks like it may be a while. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-27 18:10:29] - paul: oakton high school! wow and he lives in fairfax! that's so bizarre - aaron'
[2010-04-27 18:05:18] - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/world/europe/28ukraine.html?src=mv Ukraine Passes Deal Under Hail of Eggs -Paul
[2010-04-27 17:51:07] - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/23/road-radicalism-man-south-park-threats/ "Road to Radicalism: The Man Behind the 'South Park' Threats" -Paul
[2010-04-27 16:38:15] - here's the law we're talking about. - pierce
[2010-04-27 16:37:51] - there's an exception to that clause, that the offense has to be something other than the receipt/possession of the goods referenced by the warrant, but that doesn't apply here because chen's computers and whatnot referenced by the warrant weren't the "stolen goods" we're talking about. - pierce
[2010-04-27 16:36:06] - xpovos: okay, so rereading it with the right mindset, I still don't think that federal law is a slam-dunk. they're allowed to issue a warrant if "there is probable cause to believe that the person possessing such materials has committed or is committing the criminal offense to which the materials relate". that is in fact that they're asserting. - pierce
[2010-04-27 16:33:32] - xpovos: oh, duh. you're right on that point, for some reason I dereferenced the wrong pointer in my head and was thinking that the warrant was an attempt to seize the phone. - pierce
[2010-04-27 16:22:41] - pierce: The warrant in question allowed the police to grab computers, hard drives, etc. All tech stuff, but full of data, some of it sure to be relevant, but most of it not. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-27 16:18:35] - xpovos: I don't know what the process is for issuing warrants, but I doubt "any judge has to know of that existence" is true. I don't think anyone expects all laws to be memorized and fully understood even by the most elite members of the judiciary. it's entirely possible he or she just didn't know about this law or that it might possibly apply here. - pierce
[2010-04-27 16:14:57] - xpovos: that pdf doesn't seem to make your point very well. the most obvious problem is that the law it cites refers to "work product materials" (definition) and "documentary materials" (definition). a physical phone is neither. - pierce
[2010-04-27 16:10:34] - If he did, and issued it anyway, I think a statement to that effect and as to why he overrode that aspect of law in issuing this warrant would be a reasonable thing. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-27 16:09:34] - However, regardless of that the shield law (which probably is a bad one and needs to be revised--but it's current law) clearly applies, and any judge has to know of that existence, and any judge who is faced with such a request for a warrant has to at least consider that law. There's no evidence he did. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-27 16:06:45] - pierce: Sorry, I don't buy that the victim of the warranted-search-that-shouldn't-have-been has sufficient recourse [pdf] unless the judge does a heck of a lot better job in his due dilligence. I'm OK with probable cause, which certainly fits here... -- Xpovos
[2010-04-27 15:59:57] - *journalistic nature of bloggers - pierce
[2010-04-27 15:45:17] - yes, due diligence should be done to eliminate obviously invalid warrants, but due diligence would not necessarily have caught the possibility of a journalistic shield claim, and even if it did there's not enough precedent about the journalistic nature bloggers to necessarily dismiss the warrant on that basis. - pierce
[2010-04-27 15:42:25] - my point there wasn't very clear... it's built into the law that warrants may not be valid. there is recourse for those who feel that a warrant was incorrectly issued. you can never guarantee that a warrant adheres 100% to the letter and spirit of the law when issuing it, but that doesn't mean they should never be issued. - pierce
[2010-04-27 15:37:50] - i got to play with my colleagues iPad today. the gaming features are pretty cool along with Netflix Watch Instantly. but the device crashed multiple times when I was trying to read the news on NYTimes App, AP app, and BBC News App. Overall, I was underwhelmed by the experience. Also, it's not that hard to type on. -nina
[2010-04-27 15:37:24] - xpovos: while I don't think warrants should be granted willy-nilly, and I think we could use some reform with respect to the accountability of police seizures, the uncertain possibility that journalistic shield laws might apply doesn't seem to be enough to undermine "probable cause" for the warrant. - pierce
[2010-04-27 15:28:43] - pierce: And this gets right back to the point I made to mig. I think it's within the rights and expectations for the police to do that within proper justification--subject to review, etc.--but warrants, etc. require a judge for precisely the reason that they shouldn't be 'shoot first' moments. Even there warrants are easy enough to obtain in most cases. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-27 15:23:48] - xpovos: plus, the uncertainty in this case isn't being used to justify a sentence (as in your shoot-first example), it's being used to justify an investigation that might lead to a trial that might lead to a conviction that might lead to a sentence. if all the facts and legal nuance had to be 100% understood before issuing a warrant then why would we have trials? - pierce
[2010-04-27 15:12:23] - xpovos: aren't police allowed to do exactly that if they think someone's pointing a gun at them, even if it turns out later to be a hammer or something? - pierce
[2010-04-27 14:55:34] - pierce: That's like saying it's a good idea to set a legal precedent to shoot first and ask questions later. -- Xpovos
[2010-04-27 14:53:52] - pierce: ooooh i'm curious how your game went! the endings in particular are really diverse, like how the warehouse scene goes and stuff - aaron
[2010-04-27 14:48:18] - paul: yep, miguel. finished it the other night. I was doing well, until everyone died. - pierce
[2010-04-27 14:46:53] - and even if the judge did consider the implications, he or she may have decided that it was justified to issue the warrant and discuss its enforceability during the trial. - pierce
[2010-04-27 14:46:51] - Pierce: Were you ever able to borrow Heavy Rain from somebody? -Paul
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