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[2010-09-16 12:36:54] - I got the first reference backwards--that is I guessed what it was supposed to be and then mathed it up to confirm. The second one was too much of a magic number not to know. I got the third off Google by accident. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-16 12:29:22] - gurkie: i'm honored to have a stalker as smart and attractive as yourself. ~a
[2010-09-16 12:27:22] - Haha, 800 km is a lot more than 8 miles.
[2010-09-16 12:17:06] - Ah, ok. Yeah, I thought it might be a reference to 28 days later, but didn't know the significance of the other numbers. I assume (without doing any math) that the last one is a movie starring eminem? -Paul
[2010-09-16 12:16:14] - as a caveat I had no knowledge of a magic draft... ~gurkie
[2010-09-16 12:05:08] - ARGH! I dont know why but I cant see the invites to my game night! As in I cant see who I invited or who said yes or anything!!! GRRR. ~gurkie
[2010-09-16 11:59:08] - a: im stalking you. ~gurkie
[2010-09-16 11:37:59] - it's just a play on the subtitle. so just like, uhhh, a few minutes ago? ~a
[2010-09-16 11:35:12] - a: how long has the message board's title been "message bored" ~gurkie
[2010-09-16 11:16:06] - vinnie: i saw that movie (the correct answer) but i would have never remembered that time period; i also just assumed it was 28 days later - aaron
[2010-09-16 10:49:25] - er 28 Days Later...
[2010-09-16 10:48:50] - its how long the guy is in the hospital in 28 days!
[2010-09-16 10:44:17] - paul: I think you've seen what it's from but it's not a particularly memorable number (imo) - vinnie
[2010-09-16 10:44:01] - Yeah that's a direct quote from a movie. I'm guessing you haven't seen the movie or are forgetting it. Which is weird because I watched part of it at your place. -title
[2010-09-16 10:30:14] - 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, 12 seconds. -Paul
[2010-09-16 10:16:04] - how many days? how many hours? how many minutes? how many seconds?
[2010-09-16 10:11:14] - title: 28.279 days? -Paul
[2010-09-16 10:07:19] - paul: Just read out what your unit translation is for the third. -title
[2010-09-16 09:55:51] - title: I got the first two, and am stuck on the third now. -Paul
[2010-09-16 09:30:15] - I used to use AVG. Then it crapped out on me on several computers and caused some significant problems for my parent's machine. I've converted to Avast. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-16 09:21:52] - aaron: I use free avg too - vinnie
[2010-09-16 09:14:15] - aaron: I use avg anti-virus. It's got a free version. -Paul
[2010-09-15 22:26:24] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEV9niTmeOU&feature=channel also, i know there's like a zillion cool starcraft replays out there but... this one is just insane. ahahaha. never again - aaron
[2010-09-15 22:25:27] - xpovos: ahaha. well in all honesty, i laughed at most of them
they had kind of that tim and eric vibe which is a weird mixture of, "really really bad" and "lots and lots of effort" at the same time - aaron[2010-09-15 19:45:12] - aaron: Did you watch this one? I don't think it's awful. I was laughing pretty hard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yELOiYgR2aI -- Xpovos
[2010-09-15 18:51:05] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wFnNB6ra3o&feature=related garfield is on a diet. this guy has like a million of these! they're all awful... but i can't stop watching - aaron
[2010-09-15 13:22:18] - Security essentials here too. Doesn't work in xp though. - pierce
[2010-09-15 13:22:12] - aaron: i have an alias that runs: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and i run it religiously especially when /etc/motd says i have security updates. ~a
[2010-09-15 12:54:19] - I put microsoft security essentials on my computer after building it recently. its supposed to do what you need and be a little more light weight than other programs. Free if you bought windows otherwise I think its a no go. -Daniel
[2010-09-15 12:48:45] - title: oh ha ha i got the last one too - aaron
[2010-09-15 12:48:20] - title: i guess i got all of them but the last one, using google to convert the units - aaron
[2010-09-15 12:46:05] - do you guys use any antivirus on your home PCs? - aaron
[2010-09-15 07:26:54] - not of the subtitle, but from the same episode - pierce
[2010-09-15 00:01:46] - We need a new diagram of today's subtitle. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-14 15:33:45] - gurkie: but that would include literally everybody who wasn't on the diagram, i think it was good the way it was - aaron
[2010-09-14 14:42:11] - soo havent been on in awhile... meaning I saw the answer before I saw the diagram
you should have made the middle "old outdated phones that really ought to be replaced" and put me, vinnie, amy... etc? in there... ~gurkie[2010-09-14 13:50:56] - I will poke whichever bear I want! - Austrian double-headed eagle
[2010-09-14 13:03:05] - lol
[2010-09-14 13:03:02] - /TITLE DON'T POKE THE RUSSIAN BEAR
[2010-09-14 11:33:43] - <robotvoice>DROID</robotvoice>
[2010-09-14 10:11:21] - Vinnie: Join team Droid! - Stephen
[2010-09-14 09:43:42] - a: good one. I don't really remember what type of phones people have, but we have been talking a lot about it lately. I might have been able to figure it out even without knowing who had what - vinnie
[2010-09-14 09:24:13] - I had no clue what I had in common with Stephen and Daniel, I should've realized phone, but while correct, it was very non-obvious. Well done. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-14 09:23:04] - paul: correct. ~a
[2010-09-14 09:21:34] - a: I thought the blank category was Blackberry owners. -Paul
[2010-09-14 09:20:18] - a: That was a really good diagram, I'm surprised none of us were able to come up with the solution! - Stephen
[2010-09-14 09:18:36] - oh right, it's a palm. sorry the fourth category is palm owners
~a[2010-09-14 09:18:14] - paul: isn't the pre a type of blackberry? i said "blackberry owners" ~a
[2010-09-14 09:17:13] - a: And Pre owners, I guess? -Paul
[2010-09-14 09:13:59] - i wasn't sure what to make the fourth category so i left it blank. i guess you could say it's windows mobile owners. ~a
[2010-09-14 09:13:33] - aaron: Because it would be awkward to ruin your place if you were there too. -Paul
[2010-09-14 09:11:54] - i guess people have given up on the diagram thing. categories are: iphone owners, android owners, and blackberry owners. ~a
[2010-09-14 00:46:38] - paul: also how come i never get invited to any of your cool moscow parties!! - aaron
[2010-09-14 00:45:34] - lol@"radioactive cats have 18 half-lives". who posted that! i don't remember but that's brilliant - aaron
[2010-09-13 18:57:48] - everyone's in alphabetical order and the bottom-left group is "paul"! did i solve it - aaron
[2010-09-13 18:50:12] - yeah i'm lost. i don't see any patterns or anything ~dee
[2010-09-13 15:07:13] - also i apologize in advance if i forgot someone or put someone in the wrong category. ~a
[2010-09-13 15:04:29] - stephen: as far as i know, she's not in any of the categories. ~a
[2010-09-13 15:02:57] - we've had so many recent conversations on the subject of the diagram i figured everybody would get it right away
~a[2010-09-13 14:58:01] - I can't even figure out how to read the diagram. Are there no overlapping categories and one category with nobody in it? -Paul
[2010-09-13 14:34:51] - aaron: people named Paul?
[2010-09-13 14:25:51] - a: i figured out the bottom left category - aaron
[2010-09-13 14:21:21] - a: yeah I'm lost on your diagram though I thought of a pretty cool diagram myself - vinnie
[2010-09-13 13:48:05] - a: Where does Gurkie fit into this diagram? - Stephen
[2010-09-13 12:59:53] - Clearly its people grouped with those whose names share the same orientation. Past that so far I've got nothing. -Daniel
[2010-09-13 12:35:21] - a: Whoa. I don't even know where to start there. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-13 12:18:46] - a new diagram thingy. ~a
[2010-09-10 15:13:48] - I thought of a new band name after hearing all this stuff come out in Connecticut with Linda McMahon: "The Dead Wrestler Problem" - vinnie
[2010-09-10 14:33:51] - jdb's subpost today "free trade and the like make me worried about the industrial infrustructure that this nation is so reliant upon." That sounds like a comment worthy of a review and rehash some 10.5 years later. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-10 11:05:55] - stephen: i didn't mean it was particularly unusual, just fake-sounding - aaron
[2010-09-10 09:57:54] - aaron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanicsville indicates that it's not a particularly unusual name for a town at all. - Stephen
[2010-09-10 09:09:22] - i never edited that article.
~a[2010-09-10 08:25:01] - http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/07/wikipedia-entry-on-iraq-war-turned-into-actual-encyclopedia/ someone published every edit made to the "Iraq War" wikipedia page from 2004 to 2009 and printed it in a series of encyclopedia-style volumes - aaron
[2010-09-09 22:06:58] - aaron: Nice. No, Mechanicsville. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-09 19:00:31] - xpovos: fart? - aaron
[2010-09-09 18:58:32] - aaron: Seriously? I knew the city pretty well due to Civil War history. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-09 18:19:30] - you're right there is not. so take with a grain of salt. ~a
[2010-09-09 17:56:14] - a: lol. okay, there is definitely not a city called "fart, virginia" - aaron
[2010-09-09 17:52:46] - aaron: someone added this in the comment section of the slashdot post yesterday about fort gay: odd city names ~a
[2010-09-09 17:22:08] - virginia: no offense, but there is no way mechanicsville is a real place. seriously? mechanicsville? - aaron
[2010-09-09 17:09:04] - toot :
[2010-09-09 16:35:19] - Took me a sec but the title made me laugh. -Daniel
[2010-09-09 15:58:59] - how deliciously absurd, title. ~a
[2010-09-09 13:56:05] - vinnie: lol - aaron
[2010-09-09 13:48:23] - they should really rename "bemuse" to "befuse". it would be less befusing that way - vinnie
[2010-09-09 13:44:53] - Stephen: HUH???? ~gurkie
[2010-09-09 13:25:56] - title: No, I fucking KNOW Gurkie can fucking dance. - Stephen
[2010-09-09 13:09:48] - as I told Stephen in an aside, I always thought of bemused as a confounded amused ~gurkie
[2010-09-09 13:09:08] - the religion versus readability graph at the end is really interesting. I'm impressed with the okcupid folks for pursuing this blog. - pierce
[2010-09-09 13:08:39] - pierce: I saw that. It was fascinating! As an okcupid user, though, I think that sexuality definitely affects results. You can't add "fucking" as an infix to most of the things white gay guys like, apparently unlike white straight guys. - Stephen
[2010-09-09 13:05:14] - The real Stuff White People Like (new okcupid statistics thinger) - pierce
[2010-09-09 13:03:42] - that'll teach me to draw besumptions about words i know nothing about - aaron
[2010-09-09 13:03:31] - yeah, i always just assumed it was like, one more than "A" muse - aaron
[2010-09-09 13:02:19] - pierce: Possibly. Linguists would say that if enough people misuse/mispronounce a word, the "incorrect" meaning/pronunciation should be accepted. Linguists rarely teach English or write dictionaries, though. - Stephen
[2010-09-09 12:59:47] - stephen: interesting. did they update the definition to include that because so many people used it that way, I wonder? - pierce
[2010-09-09 12:57:03] - the word that really doesn't belong on that web site is "seppuku". it's pretty commonly known AND it doesn't have an alternate meeting - aaron
[2010-09-09 12:54:49] - Pierce: it seems to mean both. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bemused - Stephen
[2010-09-09 12:28:24] - hehe, I agree the ones I recognize I tend to think arent really pompous enough. although half my knowledge of words (at least) comes from reading books~gurkie
[2010-09-09 12:14:42] - I only recently learned that "bemuse" means "confuse" and not "amuse", I've been trying to use it correctly since. - pierce
[2010-09-09 12:02:50] - I think my favorite word on there is "contretemps". French-derived words really just add on another layer of pompous - vinnie
[2010-09-09 11:59:48] - I've used "melange" before, and not just in the context of Dune! "insouciant" and "soporific" too. I realize I'm being snobbish about a snobbish website, but "vapid" is a little too well-known and used to be on there - vinnie
[2010-09-09 11:30:24] - I've used vapid before. I've always thought it had a connotation of empty and generally applied to a person. Like 'That blonde is so vapid and doesn't offer anything to the conversation.' Thats the only one I think I've used though I've seen several in books/games though (carapace/rictus/myrmidon) -Daniel
[2010-09-09 10:45:15] - pierce: that's OK i've used "carapace" but it doesn't count either - aaron
[2010-09-09 10:42:28] - aaron: I have, but it's not something that comes up in conversation. I don't think I've used it outside of talking about vampires. - pierce
[2010-09-09 10:42:06] - aaron: some of the words Im sure we have used most likely the ones I understand. However a lot of those words are new to me... ~gurkie
[2010-09-09 10:41:00] - check out google.com start typing before judging ~gurkie
[2010-09-09 10:34:16] - gurkie: i'm pretty sure we put "torpor" in pierce times up but, i don't think he's ever actually used the word - aaron
[2010-09-09 10:28:46] - soo the pompous words site... Yea they are pompous I think they go beyond what pierce does though cause his tend to make sense and possibly add a bit of nuance to what he is saying? These words are completely superfluous and seem annoying. ~gurkie
[2010-09-09 09:11:29] - a: ohhh yeah you're right my bad. variables are hard! - aaron
[2010-09-08 21:43:33] - aaron: no, the first one was right. i think you're thinking of nth root. but like you said, it's moot because it really doesn't help solve for n. ~a
[2010-09-08 18:20:51] - oh huh the html tag for superscript is "sup" my bad. i don't think i've used that one since the nineties - aaron
[2010-09-08 18:20:01] - xpovos: hmm don't you mean a = logn(c-b<super>n</super>
? either way yeah i don't think it helps him out any - aaron[2010-09-08 17:53:07] - n = loga(c-bn). I.e.: Good luck collecting terms. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-08 17:51:31] - a: Ah, nevermind, I see my error, you're going to end up differential. -- xpovos
[2010-09-08 17:51:28] - a: Ah, nevermind, I see my error, you're going to end up differential.
[2010-09-08 17:47:39] - aaron: I saw the similarities with Fermat's last theorem too. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-08 17:46:32] - a: You're going to need logs, and yeah, it's pretty complicated. I think the simplest thing would be (since I assume this is computer) converting a and b into numbers that are easily log10 suitable. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-08 17:44:06] - a: hmm i don't know how to solve it either. it reminds me of fermat's last theorem - aaron
[2010-09-08 17:01:12] - a^n + b^n = c (solve for variable n; a, b, and c are constants) i can't seem to solve this for some reason. is it hard to solve? ~a
[2010-09-08 16:52:48] - pierce word is used by ass face. ~a
[2010-09-08 16:45:08] - a: og cone fused. can you tell og what you mean with no seven or longer letter words - og
[2010-09-08 16:37:59] - once again, though, some form of egotism or snobbery must be part of the definition. ~a
[2010-09-08 16:18:36] - pierce: pierce word is long word that mean same thing as short word - og
[2010-09-08 15:17:42] - I think that's pretty much exactly what we came up with as the definition of a pierce word, except we used less pretentious words to describe it ("synonymous"? go back to your vegan commune, college boy.) - pierce
[2010-09-08 14:26:05] - i break even on my points after 6 years and change. it was definitely a good choice for me. - aba
[2010-09-08 14:21:22] - "an uncommonly understood word that is synonymous with a commonly understood one" sounds like the definition of a pierce word if i ever heard one. ~a
[2010-09-08 14:09:04] - "LITERALLY - Often used figuratively, typically used to make a point sound more impressive (I'm so hungry I could eat a horse - literally!). No one worth impressing will be taken in."
[2010-09-08 13:42:48] - http://www.pompousasswords.com/ - aaron
[2010-09-08 13:08:24] - a: well they usually put a limit. like, i will pay all your closing costs up to $1.00 - aaron
[2010-09-08 12:53:03] - omg, seriously? in that case i want 100 points. the closing costs will include the principal.
~a[2010-09-08 12:28:11] - a: sometimes sellers are desparate enough to pay closing costs, and sometimes points on a loan can be figured into closing costs. in that case points always make sense. - aaron
[2010-09-08 12:22:24] - a: That clearly would be a bad place to take points. My loan is assumable, and I got a decent rate bump for points, so I took some extras. I 'break even' after 9 years and change. Factor in some inflation and time value of money, and I probably actually break even in 15 or so. I 'made up' for it by putting less down. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-08 12:01:19] - "sizeable rate reduction with the points" i've yet to see a sizable rate reduction . . . it's always small. very very small and usually so small such that you're actually paying more money even if you don't refinance for 30 years. ~a
[2010-09-08 11:49:30] - a: But sometimes they are. For example, if you get a sizeable rate reduction with the points and particularly if you have an assumable loan structure, which means that you've got a sale hedge. The only risk there is an interest rate one, which is not negligible, but at these rates certainly less significant. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-08 11:47:31] - a: Some banks won't lend without them, because they get eaten up in their fee and profits structure, and because of the extra security they provide to the bank. But beyond that, you're right, it's a trade off that needs to be calculated. In many cases they're not worth it because the extra interest you pay is tax preferred, and because of the time value of money. -- Xpov
[2010-09-08 11:38:02] - almost everybody in the world is in situation C. but even if you're not, you're still very likely to be in situation B. and even if you're in situation A, i'm not convinced you want points since you're really paying for something up front with almost negligible gain. ~a
[2010-09-08 11:35:38] - i'm convinced points pretty much never make sense. there are three situations: A) keeping the loan for the full term and points will reduce the total amount paid B) keeping the loan for the full term and points will actually increase the total amount paid C) not keeping the loan for the full term so no matter what points will increase the total amount paid. ~a
[2010-09-08 11:15:37] - a: I've seen them getting as low as 4.1 with points. I'm in at 4.5. You should definitely be able to get something in that range. My credit union, which is usually pretty competitive has 4.125% with 1.25 points. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-08 11:03:30] - for those of you who have refinanced recently, what is a good rate? ~a
[2010-09-07 16:09:28] - a: OK, fair enough. Middle school was worse than high school, I'll grant. But for me, I didn't meet most of you guys until college (and some later), so clearly High School still wasn't the high point of my life. And that whole High School girls thing didn't work out so well for me. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-07 14:24:47] - Xpovos: You know the best thing about high school girls? - Matthew McConaughey
[2010-09-07 14:22:09] - xpovos: -2 - pierce
[2010-09-07 14:15:30] - a: weed is living proof that the government hates us and wants us to be sad
- aaron[2010-09-07 14:10:59] - ok, how about weed is living proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. ~a
[2010-09-07 14:09:20] - i'd agree with your sentiment applied to middle school. most of the high school folks i've met were pretty cool. ~a
[2010-09-07 14:06:02] - xpovos: +1 - vinnie
[2010-09-07 12:27:46] - a: I'd think that high schoolers are living proof that god hates us and wants us to be miserable--at least for a few years. But it's OK, he gave us beer, too. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-07 11:44:36] - title: great quote by the way (b franklin, right?). but can't that logic be applied to many things less scrupulous than people drinking beer? for example: high schoolers are living proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
~a[2010-09-07 09:50:56] - well you weren't really stating anything that could be right or wrong. it was something along the lines of "i thought you would enjoy this". but the statement from the link wasn't wrong (aaron re-included the link below). ~a
[2010-09-07 09:18:13] - a: I missed the subtitle yesterday (or whenever it was). Was I right?
-Paul[2010-09-06 12:50:59] - yeah, it looks like a lot of seasonal workers are unemployed over the winter. especially in like idaho and maine. ~a
[2010-09-06 12:38:31] - they could have at least made the graph bumpy in their projection! i could have predicted it would have been a bumpy graph - aaron
[2010-09-06 12:38:01] - projected unemployment versus actual unemployment - aaron
[2010-09-06 11:55:44] - paul: regarding the subtitle: one year later, the unemployment number hasn't changed much. ~a
[2010-09-05 20:08:10] - I actually used the verb form this evening when talking about a possible future type of music. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-05 19:07:35] - oh apparently it's an adjective too. AND a verb?
[2010-09-05 16:49:31] - isn't degenerate a noun?
[2010-09-05 16:32:04] - i'm pretty fucking degenerate
[2010-09-03 15:08:16] - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20015584-1.html Duke Nukem Forever not dead yet? -Paul
[2010-09-03 13:37:42] - daniel: hulu.com. ~a
[2010-09-03 12:29:09] - a: what did it not do with flash that you wanted? i haven't messed with it to much but I was able to load and play a game from Kongregate so it seems pretty functional to me. -Daniel
[2010-09-03 11:32:05] - "browser can now display animated gifs" oh that one too, believe it or not. weather.gov displays their radar output as animated gif files. ~a
[2010-09-03 11:31:10] - "support for file upload fields in the browser" oh sweet, i had been needing that feature. ~a
[2010-09-03 11:28:57] - yeah i haven't noticed any major changes. small progression without any regression is a good thing though even if i'm sad that flash didn't work like i was hoping. ~a
[2010-09-03 10:26:29] - a: So I was so excited when I woke up at 4 AM and saw that Froyo was available to download, I stayed up for 20 minutes to watch the whole process. Now I'm tired, but 2.2 seems like a good facelift so far. - Stephen
[2010-09-03 10:05:09] - Paul: I'm sure you could make the wheelchair team. Your block rate would improve amazingly, and you could even get a few more steals. Just, play a for time, not to a score. Also, watch your feet, no sense getting them crushed by the wheels. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-03 09:35:40] - Daniel: Also, I've been considering changing the time and place to accomodate more people. What day/time would be better for you? -Paul
[2010-09-03 09:28:23] - Daniel: Ha, you wouldn't have to be great. I'm absolutely terrible. I wouldn't be able to make it in onto a wheelchair basketball team, let alone the WNBA.
-Paul[2010-09-03 09:14:44] - that you play*
[2010-09-03 09:14:35] - Paul: I would play basketball, I am probably not that great currently. I think you said sometime that play Saturday morning which is going to be tough for me to make. -Daniel
[2010-09-03 09:11:28] - Daniel: Do you still play basketball some? Over the past few years, I've been trying to organize a weekly game during the summer but lately I've been having problems getting enough people. -Paul
[2010-09-03 09:05:54] - aaron: Have you ever watched a WNBA game? I don't think I could play in it now but as a senior in highscool or my last two years in college I could have made a team. Not a super star but definitely made a team. I think there are sports where women would kick my ass all over the place but the talent in the WNBA outside their stars isn't elite. -Daniel
[2010-09-02 18:01:56] - paul: find it demeaning playing against kids... but then at the last second, kenny got a team of adults and totally destroyed the team of kids
- aaron[2010-09-02 18:01:30] - paul: hey not bad
kind of off topic but Kenny v Spenny season 6 episode 6, "who's a better basketball coach" had a pretty funny plot. Kenny got a wheelchair basketball team knowing that spenny would feel guilty pitting a "normal" team against them... so spenny made a team of kids, hoping the wheelchair team would - aaron[2010-09-02 17:27:54] - Aaron: Heh, maybe they could have a group of "average joes", a group of old-time all-stars, the worst men's college basketball team, and WNBA all-stars. That way, they're all basically novelty teams squaring off. -Paul
[2010-09-02 17:18:04] - mig: my analogy? it wasn't my analogy. ~a
[2010-09-02 17:11:56] - paul: maybe like the beauty and the geek thing, where they had one gender-reversed team; maybe like the WNBA team would just have a place in some kind of larger tournament? or maybe have a coed league where the teams have to be all-men or all-women or something? i don't know - aaron
[2010-09-02 17:10:11] - paul: oh yeah don't get me wrong. i'd want the teams to play their best, i'd just be worried about it being spun around as like, "wow, you guys sucked, you couldn't even beat a team of women" or, "wow, you guys sucked, you couldn't even beat the worst men's basketball team" you know? i'd want, somehow, for it to be portrayed as just another basketball game - aaron
[2010-09-02 17:05:46] - Aaron: No, I haven't seen any jackass movies. I think I would want the teams to take it seriously, though, or else we'll never know if the men or women lost because the other side wasn't giving their all. -Paul
[2010-09-02 17:03:06] - paul: yeah, i'd like to see that too, as long as nobody took the outcome too seriously. i wouldn't want the WNBA or the men's team to feel humiliated about the outcome. did you see the jackass movie where they had one of the cast members versus a pro female kickboxer? that was the most memorabl "average guy v athletic girl" moments i can think of - aaron
[2010-09-02 16:57:26] - Aaron: Most people I talk to (including some girls) seem to think that even the best WNBA team would get destroyed by any decent men's basketball team. I really wish somebody would try something like the WNBA all-stars vs the worst men's college basketball team just so we could all know for sure. -Paul
[2010-09-02 16:53:08] - Gurkie: I'm surprised somebody hasn't sued Augusta and won either. The division between a public company and a private organization (especially in this case) seems very flimsy. At the same time, there are plenty of examples of organizations which openly discriminate based on race and gender. -Paul
[2010-09-02 16:51:09] - i mean i think a really good female athlete is on average about 80% as good as a really good male athlete, just from a raw numbers perspective. 80% as fast, 80% as strong, 80% as whatever. me, i'm probably about 20% as good as a really good male athlete, if that. my free throw percentage is probably closer to 0%
- aaron[2010-09-02 16:49:05] - Stephen: I'm confused, isn't that a good reason why Augusta should be able to exclude women? After all, golf is a competitive sport too. -Paul
[2010-09-02 16:46:08] - daniel: heh heh. i can see that as being kind of offensive. i don't know if it's true either. other than the height/speed/stamina difference with men, i mean, you know. they're still athletes. i don't think you'd stand a chance - aaron
[2010-09-02 16:40:29] - like skill wise - gender issues aside. -Daniel
[2010-09-02 16:40:05] - My mom got mad at me one time when I told her I thought I could play in the WNBA. -Daniel
[2010-09-02 16:37:37] - ultimately it all comes down to the paradox of tolerance. i'm not sure what the right answer is, but i agree with miguel. as long as federal dollars aren't funding these kinds of clubs, i think it's OK if they're unfair or intolerant - aaron
[2010-09-02 16:35:42] - Precedent to the lower numbered amendment then, right? -- Xpovos
[2010-09-02 16:32:31] - mig: Yeah, there's a lot of tension between the First Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause. Ultimately, you can't totally satisfy both. - Stephen
[2010-09-02 16:30:39] - a: if I am reading you properly your statement essentially argued that it is more important to segregate the military based on gender.... maybe I am misunderstanding ~gurkie
[2010-09-02 16:30:32] - I'll have to agree that adrian's analogy is the one that's kind of faulty, though I do think the principle of Freedom of Association should trump other concerns in these situations. - mig
[2010-09-02 16:21:53] - so if you're going to allow "distraction" to be a reason to exclude a group, your argument is far stronger regarding the military than the Boy Scouts. - Stephen
[2010-09-02 16:21:39] - gurkie: Boy Scouts of America v. Dale is pretty relevant to this discussion, where the boy scouts were forced to readmit a gay scoutmaster; but the supreme court overturned it arguing that it violated Freedom of Association - aaron
[2010-09-02 16:21:27] - a: The argument you gave for why girls shouldn't be in the Boy Scouts is identical to the one that people gave for not allowing women in the military, and the one that people are currently giving for not allowing gays in the military. It seems to me that the main job of the military is FAR more important than the main goal of the Boy Scouts
[2010-09-02 16:19:17] - stephen: the boy scouts is very very different from the military. first of all, the main job of the military is warfighting and killing the enemy. the main job of boy scouts is to educate boys. the military is for fully developed adults. the boy scouts is for adolescent minors. i'm not sure how the law is concerned, but you probably need to pick a better analogy. ~a
[2010-09-02 16:16:57] - gurkie: i don't think there are any laws like that for private clubs, that's why organizations like the KKK and westboro baptist church are so successful - aaron
[2010-09-02 16:15:03] - so I should probably just look up Augusta National, but if a country club refused to allow African Americans into its membership I feel like they could still be sued over it, maybe I am mistaken but I think if it were race rather then gender then they wouldnt get away with it. ~gurkie
[2010-09-02 16:00:48] - Paul: The Girl Scouts are not a competitive organization. I'm not sure that a boy would dominate selling cookies and doing arts & crafts and cause the girls to lose interest. - Stephen
[2010-09-02 15:58:51] - a: What is the difference between allowing a girl in the boy scouts and allowing a woman in the military? - Stephen
[2010-09-02 15:51:48] - Although perhaps I should have read your link thoroughly before commenting... -- Xpovos
[2010-09-02 15:49:59] - a: Girls are already in the boy scouts. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-02 15:41:32] - stephen: well i have to disagree on that one. it would be very distracting to have girls in the boy scouts and vice versa. they have "venture scouts" and a few other niche groups, but i doubt it would work with the vanilla scouting systems. ~a
[2010-09-02 15:39:08] - Stephen: Should men be allowed in the WNBA? -Paul
[2010-09-02 15:37:31] - Actually, I take it back. Apparently there is nothing saying that women can't be members, there just aren't any members. That's according to wikipedia, which could be wrong. -Paul
[2010-09-02 15:35:26] - As I understand it, women are not allowed to be members of Augusta, but they are allowed to golf on the course provided there is a member in their party. -Paul
[2010-09-02 15:30:25] - a: Yes. If a boy wants to learn the skills taught in Girl Scouts, or vice versa, they should be allowed to do so. - Stephen
[2010-09-02 15:29:10] - and the girl scouts should admit boys? ~a
[2010-09-02 15:27:56] - Gurkie: A restaurant is a public business. Think of Augusta National like a fraternity or a sorority. I agree, Augusta National should be required to allow women, but I also think that a lot of women's only organizations should be required to allow men. - Stephen
[2010-09-02 15:23:58] - .... i take it back maybe you cant sue, but a female could. ~gurkie
[2010-09-02 15:23:43] - mig: I feel like you can still sue. If a restaurant refused to seat African Americans would they be sued? Heck yea. Why should this be any different? ~gurkie
[2010-09-02 15:10:57] - actually to date i don't think there's ever been an actual lawsuit over Augusta's membership policies, only calls for boycotting. - mig
[2010-09-02 15:08:03] - gurkie: it is a private organization, not a "public" business, so they have more of a legal license to discriminate than say, Burger King. - mig
[2010-09-02 15:03:07] - There are no women members of Augusta National, I don't know if that means they aren't allowed to play on the course period. - mig
[2010-09-02 14:49:51] - Ugh, dont they get sued? ~gurkie
[2010-09-02 14:40:01] - Daniel: I'm pretty sure you're correct. It comes up every April, or whenever the Masters are. - Stephen
[2010-09-02 14:17:41] - Aren't women still not allowed to play on Augusta? I think I'm not 100% on that though. -Daniel
[2010-09-02 14:12:33] - pierce: remember when women couldn't vote and certain folk weren't allowed on golf courses?
[2010-09-02 13:54:48] - remember when we used to tell our devices what products we wanted instead of waiting for them to ask us? - pierce
[2010-09-02 12:22:24] - Well, apparently 1.6 is as high as the G1 goes... officially. If I want even 2.1 I'm'a have to root. 2.2 even more so. Fun. -- Xpovos
[2010-09-02 12:09:58] - Ew. I think I'm still on 1.6 on my G1. What's going on? -- Xpovos
[2010-09-02 11:47:45] - awww, still no hulu. oh well
~a[2010-09-02 11:41:02] - stephen/aaron: lots of speed improvements. faster javascript in the browser. wifi hotspot feature (costs money i think). voice dialing over bluetooth (not sure if this is what aaron wanted or not). but the biggest one for me is FLASH. WEEE. i'm hoping hulu will work now! ~a
[2010-09-02 11:31:36] - a: Cool! Mine has not asked me yet. Any ideas what 2.2 will entail? - Stephen
[2010-09-02 11:28:06] - stephen: HEY my incredible just asked if i wanted 2.2 of android. YAY!
~a[2010-09-02 11:27:29] - stephen: wine? dunno if it'll play mass effect, but it works great with portal (and other steam games) and starcraft 1&2 in linux. anyways, mass effect 2 link. ~a
[2010-09-02 11:16:32] - Paul: I don't have a PC. I'm the rare Macbook owner who doesn't want an iPhone. - Stephen
[2010-09-02 11:14:31] - Stephen: Why not? I thought both were available on the PC, and I have to imagine if your PC could play Dragon Age, it could play Mass Effect. -Paul
[2010-09-02 11:04:29] - Paul: Games look pretty cool. Too bad I can't play them
- Stephen[2010-09-02 10:45:13] - Stephen: Mass Effect 1. Definitely. -Paul
[2010-09-02 10:44:49] - Stephen: Mass Effect 2... I think. It could be the first one. -Paul
[2010-09-02 10:41:22] - stephen: mass effect. - pierce
[2010-09-02 10:21:40] - Paul: What game are we talking about? - Stephen
[2010-09-02 10:00:54] - Pierce: If you think there's too much talking so far, then definitely go for planetary exploration. I think they generally have more fighting than talking. -Paul
[2010-09-02 09:41:08] - paul: thanks for the subtitle advice. after stopping and starting a few times I'm actually just at the planetary exploration point now. the ratio of talking to fighting is a lot higher than KoToR and I don't think that's necessarily a good thing (though they may need it to make up for the fact that Star Wars was already a well defined universe) - pierce
[2010-09-01 12:21:16] - *** Xpovos shoves pierce onstage to go kick the dead horse again, just to make sure.
[2010-09-01 12:12:58] - i have five java's running! eclipse * 2, jboss, ant, and my rcp app.
each of them takes a gig (or three) of virtual memory. ~a[2010-09-01 11:53:41] - alas! I breathe the last of thine mortal air; to wit, I live no more. <exeunt> - the joke
[2010-09-01 11:29:33] - pierce: Yes, it's a little known fact that Shakespeare was a plagiarist wizard. Though, I'm surprised you used his Anglicized name. Frons B'kon was renowned for his tradition, so I perceive that as a great insult. Of course, Shakespeare also had to change the locations, and a handful of technological references. So it's not a straight copy, but still plagiarism . -- Xpo
[2010-09-01 11:05:35] - a: a wizard did it. - pierce
[2010-09-01 11:02:08] - pierce: if that's true then how did shakespeare end up with them? did the klingons conquer ftl space-travel thousands of years before humans, or are some other shenanigans to blame? ~a
[2010-08-31 16:24:55] - urm.... I dont care if they were so long as they are performed fully clothed in English. ~gurkie
[2010-08-31 16:20:42] - actually gurkie, some scholars believe that Shakespeare's plays were actually written by Sir Francis B'kon of the sixth Grak'la dynasty. - pierce
[2010-08-31 16:13:30] - also nude nude? Umm I dont think I could handle that but I would probably want to kill myself if I watched Shakespear in Klingon... ~gurkie
[2010-08-31 16:13:01] - Stephen: tlhIngan Hol???? Huh?! Urm I dont think I would like either... ~gurkie
[2010-08-31 15:21:41] - Gurkie: You never did tell us how you would feel about Shakespeare in the nude vs. Shakespeare in the tlhIngan Hol. - Stephen
[2010-08-31 14:50:52] -
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[2010-08-31 13:09:57] - I guess it's possible that adrian's added a feature or two that people like, but who remembers them? certainly not /me. - pierce
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