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[2023-01-13 15:30:21] - paul:  "honest mistake"  it's not super-relevant whether the mistake was honest or not.  it's definitely a security violation.  but at least they did return the documents, and without being asked, which is nice i guess.  i could almost see the hunter-biden connection being substantive:  keep a bunch of documents on ukraine because my son wants to do some work with ukraine.  oooops, some of them are classified.  (shakes head)  ~a

[2023-01-13 13:41:15] - https://wjla.com/news/local/loudoun-county-schools-superintendent-virginia-nova-dmv-dc-3-schools-didnt-notify-students-national-merit-awards-teachers-scholarshi apparently it wasn't just TJ. - mig

[2023-01-13 03:43:34] - a: Could be an honest mistake from a person who even in his mental prime was prone to gaffes and lies and other mental errors.... or could be another piece in the conspiracy around Hunter Biden and his oddly lucrative jobs for a drug abuser with no experience involving Ukraine. Depends on what tribe you are a part of. :-) -Paul

[2023-01-13 03:41:17] - a: Apparently some number of classified documents from his time as VP were found in a garage, including some relating to Ukraine? That's about all I know right now. -Paul

[2023-01-12 22:23:10] - its just another reminder that making sure rules are followed is only for plebs like us. - mig

[2023-01-12 22:22:19] - it was also maddening to hear biden try to defend himself with “my garage is locked!” and then talk about how he takes handling classified documents very seriously on the very next sentence. - mig

[2023-01-12 22:19:54] - paul:  small deal but could be a big deal.  it does make a potential prosecution of Trump very difficult (though how clinton’s case made that also difficult). - mig

[2023-01-12 21:33:56] - paul:  what happened?  ~a

[2023-01-12 21:33:25] - wake up at 8:80am every day.  https://i.redd.it/csu7vv5vhoba1.jpg  ~a

[2023-01-12 21:26:47] - Paul: depends? I saw the story title somewhere that he had left some behind somewhere after traveling and it was reported?  I would probably label that a small deal.  Is he storing lots of classified docs in boxes in an unsecured garage?  Bigger deal.  -Daniel

[2023-01-12 21:03:38] - So... the controversy around Biden storing classified documents in his garage? Big deal or no? -Paul

[2023-01-10 19:16:43] - it is a good system for debate, but it also is a lot more work, so people will tend to avoid it :-P  ~a

[2023-01-10 18:23:25] - a: Instead of trying to "win" the argument by finding ways to cast your opponent as racist or transphobic or communist or whatever, try to understand and argue against the strongest and most charitable interpretation of their argument. -Paul

[2023-01-10 18:22:21] - a: I don't know how common of a term it is. I really like the concept, though. It seems to run counter to a lot of the seemingly deliberate misinterpretation of people's honestly held beliefs that is popular these days. -Paul

[2023-01-10 17:49:44] - no.  nm.  i was just thinking that strawman was a troll.  and devil's advocate was not.  but i had never heard of steelman before today.  ~a

[2023-01-10 17:46:07] - a: Uh, a different kind of troll? Like, "I know you are pro-choice and I am too but I am going to show you pictures of aborted fetuses" kind of trolling. -Paul

[2023-01-10 17:17:32] - paul:  mmm, ok, i thought the troll that is misrepresenting the other side on purpose was usually called a strawman.  but maybe you're saying they're both like a troll sorta i guess?  ~a

[2023-01-10 17:16:32] - a: I have always thought of Devil's Advocate as the intent being more to troll whereas steel-manning is trying to give the biggest benefit of the doubt to people on the other side of an argument. I suppose in a practical sense, they are pretty similar, though. -Paul

[2023-01-10 17:09:56] - literally just googled "steelman vs devil's advocate", but i'm still not sure how they're different.  so steelman is just a more intense devil's advocate?  people already hate when i play devil's advocate, so . . . i can't even imagine.  ~a

[2023-01-10 16:50:34] - Paul: I guess I get the company wouldn't want that but as a consumer I do want to know what companies are mod unfriendly and would give preference to mod friendly brands / companies.  -Daniel

[2023-01-10 15:58:29] - Daniel: In theory it would be on the consumer, sure, until they start complaining to Apple about "why did your patch break my phone?" and giving negative reviews. I mean, I agree with you and am mostly trying to steel-man the John Deere argument, but I can see why companies would find it annoying even beyond just "we want more money" reasons. -Paul

[2023-01-10 15:18:17] - My guess is that allowing people to do their own thing actually ends up leading to more innovation?  Not 100% but I bet more experimentation gets done that way and then people share what works and eventually companies could pull that in too.  I know in video games that happens a lot where a company will end up incorporating really popular mods (weird example but I think might apply a little).  -Daniel

[2023-01-10 15:16:38] - If you are going to muck around with your 100k tractor you best be careful / know what you are doing whether its tweaking some software to change the rotation rate of a screw vs pulling out a spark plug to put a new one in.  -Daniel

[2023-01-10 15:15:44] - Isn't that just on the consumer then for messing with their device?  /shrug  -Daniel

[2023-01-10 14:43:11] - Uh, I also don't really want to argue for John Deere, and I also don't know much about the case, but couldn't an argument be made that non-authorized people using non-authorized parts to repair things could hurt a company's ability to maintain their product? Maybe hard to argue for John Deere, but Apple could argue that non-standardized batteries or whatever could impact future patches and upgrades. -Paul

[2023-01-10 14:06:35] - xpovos:  yeah i also am anti-john deere in case that wasn't obvious.  it comes up a lot in IT, too, and it drives me nuts when i'm not allowed to (or easily able to) root my phone.  ~a

[2023-01-10 12:46:31] - I’m going to end up anti-John Deere, still, but I really need to steelman this and see where it leads. — Xpovos

[2023-01-10 12:45:37] - a: Fascinating question. I find myself unable to argue for John Deere, from good faith not profit, which instead of making me feel confident about my position instead makes me realize I haven’t thought about it enough. “Profit,” is frankly too narrow. “Trade secrets,” is more interesting. Obviously why do you have trade secrets? Profits! But there might be an innovation angle here I’ve not fully thought through. — Xpovos

[2023-01-09 22:21:23] - daniel:  it didn't prevent them from functioning, no.  but were they harmed by this self repair?  could they have provided a better product to the consumers without it?  i'm not sure i could say for sure either way.  what's more, electric cars and john deer tractors are unarguably much more complicated.  and their maintenance decisions don't necessarily need to follow the same model.  ~a

[2023-01-09 22:15:41] - a: but did it prevent all the car companies for functioning for the last 100 years? -Daniel

[2023-01-09 21:55:51] - daniel:  i did consider that as my first example (car hoods).  if i'm entirely playing devil's advocate, i'd say yes:  opening up the hood of a car (and actually going into the engine parts) will become more and more uncommon as time goes on.  actually we're already there basically with electric cars.  ~a

[2023-01-09 21:53:35] - a: Does opening a car's hood open up their trade secrets and ip?  -Daniel

[2023-01-09 21:41:47] - daniel:  uhh ok, maybe i want to argue the side! audrey brought up some stuff i didn't consider.  does (giving the legal right to be) repairing a john deer tractor open up their trade secrets and intellectual property?  obviously someone who ignores the law can open up a tractor and learn their trade secrets and intellectual property, but someone following the law would potentially not be able to if we (as we often do) make that illegal.  ~a

[2023-01-09 21:22:45] - a: I mean its entirely possible I'm living in my self selected bubble but I don't think I've ever heard anyone argue on John Deere's side on this issue.  -Daniel

[2023-01-09 21:17:48] - us farmers win right to repair john deere equipment.  did anybody want to argue on the side of john deere here?  why is curbing the right to repair ever in the public interest?  i get that MAYBE in certain situations john deere could charge less for their tractors in that case, but only at the inevitable increased (total) cost of their customers.  ~a

[2023-01-09 21:05:43] - haha, yep!  my hotel is actually pretty cheap considering (300-400/night), which does worry me.  i predict bedbugs.  ~a

[2023-01-09 21:04:04] - a: Did you book at the hotel?  If you are going to the superbowl is there housing for not crazy pricing?  -Daniel

[2023-01-09 20:06:11] - is victim blaming ever ok?  what's the line where victim blaming is ok?  i honestly think about this a lot and i'm really not sure.  i can come up with a lot of examples maybe, but i wish there was some sort of rule of thumb i could use.  ~a

[2023-01-09 19:29:25] - well i just booked my travel to arizona.  when looking around, i found a hotel for $34,000 (4 nights).  i'm not sure my company will approve that expense.  ~a

[2023-01-07 18:59:54] - a: Oh, haha, that also makes sense. Somehow I completely forgot I usually have a Super Bowl Party. Nice! Hope it's a good game. Sorry you're going to miss out on the prop bets. -Paul

[2023-01-07 16:18:21] - sorry i meant your super bowl party.  I think I might be going to the super bowl.  ~a

[2023-01-07 03:16:12] - a: The only thing I can figure out is that you are implying you might be at the Super Bowl, but that's also a full week before my birthday, so either you don't know when my birthday is or you are going to be partying REALLY hard for the Super Bowl.... -Paul

[2023-01-06 21:01:29] - paul:  if you throw your usual february party this year, i might not be able to make it, sorry. . . . i might be in beautiful glendale, arizona around that time?  ;-)  maaaybe.  ~a

[2023-01-06 19:27:04] - paul: It would be nice for some kind of compromise candidate but I think with gerry mandering its in a place where if you do something like it guarantees a primary challenge and makes it a lot harder to win re election.  Which is ultimately what they care about (re-election).  -Daniel

[2023-01-06 19:03:09] - while the funny thing to me is that one thing republicans and democrats could both agree on is that matt gaetz should resign regardless.  ~a

[2023-01-06 19:01:45] - paul:  didn't you hear?  if republicans and democrats collude to elect a moderate republican, then florida republican matt gaetz will resign.  ~a

[2023-01-06 19:00:10] - a: I get that some discussions are going on behind the scenes, but given the voting has been virtually the same every time, it seems like no serious discussions about alternatives are going on. -Paul

[2023-01-06 18:59:19] - a: I'm not talking about quibbling over concessions between McCarthy and the 20 or so holdouts. I'm talking about the ~200 or so Dems having talks with the 20 holdouts (or frankly, the ~200 or so McCarthy supporting Republicans) saying, "Hey, can we all agree on person Y? Person Z?" -Paul

[2023-01-06 18:54:28] - paul:  "Shouldn't people be, I don't know, trying to find a compromise candidate behind the scenes?"  1.  they are.  2.  they're making concessions, but the concessions don't seem to be enough.  3.  they're floating tons of other names, just none of them have garnered enough of a following.  4.  i know this is like #1 and #2 again, but like tons of stuff has been happening behind the scenes.  5.  mccarthy might lose in the end, imo?  ~a

[2023-01-06 18:51:50] - mig:  "enabling id theft?"  what about it.  if it makes me look supremely incompetent and it does very very little to enable id theft, why would i want to do this?  ~a

[2023-01-06 18:50:11] - Why not stop trying to make him happen and look for someone that can either appeal to the Republican holdouts OR appeal to some Dems? Have we been that lost to tribalism that we can't even conceive of trying to appeal to the other side? -Paul

[2023-01-06 18:49:30] - I know this is kind of a stupid question but.... the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Why do they keep having votes with the exact same variables? Shouldn't people be, I don't know, trying to find a compromise candidate behind the scenes? McCarthy clearly isn't working. -Paul

[2023-01-06 18:34:06] - a: enabling id theft?  especially if you have it linked to the person’s name. - mig

[2023-01-06 18:30:35] - ok, i guess not.  ~a

[2023-01-06 17:52:19] - "a couple dozen republicans just walked off the floor in protest of florida republican matt gaetz's speech and into the speaker’s lobby. 'this guy’s a clown,' a couple lawmakers said."  link.  audrey thinks this is the final vote (for house speaker, we are in a crazy limbo where all of the house members were normal citizens).  ~a

[2023-01-06 17:48:09] - it makes you look insanely incompetent, and it's really hard to do anything very useful with people's social security numbers.  ~a

[2023-01-06 17:47:06] - mig:  i'm totally totally not sure the upside to doing this intentionally.  ~a

[2023-01-06 17:45:52] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/01/06/social-security-numbers-jan-6-committee-documents/ i’m totally totally sure this was an “accident”. - mig

[2023-01-06 17:31:53] - a: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Corruptor_(Legacy_of_the_Void) Yeah, looks like corruptors do bonus damage against massive units. -Paul

[2023-01-06 17:26:58] - a: Yeah, I don't know how much of the video you watched, but Pig brought up that you might still need to move your units close to the carriers first before a-moving because if the interceptors are already launched and flying around, the corruptors will see them first and target them without knowing there are carriers which are higher priority. -Paul

[2023-01-06 17:25:36] - a: Also, because those units shoot faster and do less damage individually.... I think it's less of a waste if they shoot interceptors because once one is destroyed they can move onto the next one. Thors in high impact payload (and to a lesser extent things like corruptors) do more damage and shoot less often (and maybe even do bonus damage to armored or massive or something?) so it's a bigger waste having them shoot the interceptors. -Paul

[2023-01-06 17:24:21] - ah yes, good point.  a range issue.  interesting ok so maybe they won't try to get to the carriers, but they'll target the carriers if they can.  gotcha.  ~a

[2023-01-06 17:23:30] - a: So, I think if those units CAN target the carrier, they are still better off doing it. I think the tricky thing is that marines and hydras are ground units that sometimes (often?) can't all hit the carriers if they are over impassable terrain (or at least it is harder since the marines/hydras in back are stuck behind the ones in front and don't stack like air units). -Paul

[2023-01-06 17:22:39] - i knew you were joking, i was just suggesting that it doesn't seem like a black-and-white change to me.  ~a

[2023-01-06 17:20:39] - "I do wonder if there are sometimes scenarios where you actually might want to focus interceptors instead of carriers"  omg i thought there were tons of times you wanted to do this.  don't small units like marines and hydras want to target interceptors?  do they not?  ~a

[2023-01-06 16:05:45] - a: I suspect if you could actually click the interceptors, you could target them. I do wonder if there are sometimes scenarios where you actually might want to focus interceptors instead of carriers? Probably not. -Paul

[2023-01-06 16:05:05] - a: Yeah, sorry, I was mostly trying to joke about my crappy micro. I think this should personally help my Terran the most since it can be a real pain in the ass trying to target carriers with Thors and Vikings while also sieging tanks and letting marines just shoot whatever they want. -Paul

[2023-01-06 15:51:57] - paul:  interesting.  yeah, i dunno if it's about "crappy players", i just have to focus so much mental energy on manually targetting them (i even have to go as far as using shift-rightclick, shift-rightclick, shift-rightclick on each carrier, so i can then go do something else).  but the interesting thing to me is now it means you won't be "able" to target the interceptors even if you want to? (as protoss i almost never want to do this)  ~a

[2023-01-06 14:17:46] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9mtvxPaNLc@t=12m28s Apparently an upcoming patch might change interceptor targeting priority to make carriers less a pain to deal with for us crappy players who struggle to manually target them. -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:51:51] - paul:  i also remember watching a movie that included travolta and cruise.  and we sat around in their activity area and we read the stuff they had on their walls.  i thought it was fun.  i know a lot more about scientology now than i did then, though.  ~a

[2023-01-03 21:50:13] - paul:  ok well one thing that happened . . . (pretext, at the time you thought it was possible i was trying to "throw the test", but i was not) they were trying to "show me a thought", basically, you hold two metal devices, and they measure the resistance between your two hands (while the administrator is adjusting things using a knob).  the output needle jumps around and it's supposed to be your "thoughts".  ~a

[2023-01-03 21:44:33] - a: I honestly don't remember that venture much. I remember being confused because there was a machine and I didn't get the point. I also didn't go in with any intention to make a point and instead just to learn what all the fuss was about. -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:38:56] - ha yes.  love it.  i totally remember that guy.  it could help, maybe.  ~a

[2023-01-03 21:37:42] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi I don't suppose there are any Amazing Randi videos that might help... -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:34:56] - maybe unrelated, but paul will remember our experience at the church of scientology.  . . . though paul might remember it differently.  i was trying as hard as i could to appease the people at the church.  i had no intention of proving a point or trying to convert anyone, i was just trying to enjoy myself and try to learn something.  ~a

[2023-01-03 21:31:43] - paul/daniel:  i think the biggest problem for our cause is the tired excuse any skeptic has heard before:  "it's not working because you don't believe" (or something similar involving negative energies)  ~a

[2023-01-03 21:26:16] - paul: Yeah I think the asking for a demo in person will be something I mention along the way in the process.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 21:25:24] - a:  cause i'm bad at video editing :p  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 21:24:37] - Daniel: I know I'm not a true believer, but it doesn't seem like a big ask for an example of real magic in person and not on YouTube. Presumably Alex has seen movies and understands they're not real and so you can fake stuff on TV? -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:23:50] - daniel:  of course you can.  but can you record your own videos of earth elementals, please?  if not, why not?  ~a

[2023-01-03 21:23:40] - https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1610229720393605125 And if you're wondering why I mention that: He has been actively campaigning for the gig. -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:23:04] - Daniel: "Who would yall rather bet on to be the next speaker of the house?  McCarthy or the field?" Yeah, a little surprised we haven't been talking about this more, although honestly the news kinda snuck up on me. This seems like a decently big deal. My money is still on McCarthy because I figure the opposition will fold, but I can't think of anything I want more right now than Justin Amash. -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:21:38] - Daniel: "what are you going to do with the championship games in the FF leagues?  Crazy situation." No idea. Hopefully yahoo will figure it out. We still seem to be in the "it's offensive to talk about football when a man's life hangs in the balance" stage so I think the NFL is terrified of any announcement of when the next game will be played. -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:20:00] - Daniel: I know I'm a bit of a troll sometimes, but... maybe the best action is let her teach Alex "magic"? And then maybe suggest something like "hey, why don't you turn this water to wine?" or "can you float that book over to me?" Seems like nothing would disabuse somebody of the realness of magic quicker than seeing somebody try, and fail, in action. -Paul

[2023-01-03 21:06:26] - a: Sure but for things like are ghosts real or is an earth elemental real or whatever you can find video's of those things on the internet.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 21:02:39] - daniel:  "I feel like it gets tricky as well in terms of evidence now though as well in the land of photoshop, video editing, and deep fakes"  well sorta.  in paul's example he was like "you do this thing", not "please find me a thing on the internet".  ~a

[2023-01-03 20:55:28] - (sorry many topics today!)

[2023-01-03 20:55:22] - Who would yall rather bet on to be the next speaker of the house?  McCarthy or the field?  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 20:53:44] - a: I feel like it gets tricky as well in terms of evidence now though as well in the land of photoshop, video editing, and deep fakes.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 20:53:03] - a: Maybe? Hopefully?  Clearly I need Paul to write another children's book here.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 20:52:32] - can i video you doing magic?  ~a

[2023-01-03 20:52:30] - paul: what are you going to do with the championship games in the FF leagues?  Crazy situation. -Daniel

[2023-01-03 20:52:20] - i like paul's "repeatable" thought.  do you think explaining repeatable or evidence would work?  again, i don't really talk to kids so i have no clue if that would work to any children, let alone ones that aren't in high-school yet.  ~a

[2023-01-03 20:48:54] - a: Lets say the please don't talk about this to my child approach didn't go well so now I'm moving on to plan B.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 20:48:24] - paul/xpovos: yeah largely thats the goal and where I was trying to slowly trying to go with my kids over time.  However apparently my MIL is telling alex that everyone can learn magic they just need to apply themselves and that she (MIL) has done magical things and can help Alex learn.  Which Alex apparently was interested in (what kid doesn't want to have a magic grandmother teach them magic).  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 20:32:28] - paul:  adjusted for inflation AND with dividends, s&p500 change.  2022 = -23%, 2008 = -37%.  i guess i can be glad that i had less money in the stock market in 2008.  (it's even worse for 2008 if you ignore inflation)  ~a

[2023-01-03 20:28:47] - Hopefully showing that there isn't always an objective "truth" that everyone agrees on will help them become curious AND skeptical of things and not backfire and cause them to instead strongly believe in a bunch of crazy stuff. :-) -Paul

[2023-01-03 20:27:21] - Piggybacking on what Xpovos is saying: I think I have tried to encourage open-mindedness (and skepticism) all around with my kids around stuff that leans towards belief versus provable. For example, neither Gurkie or I are particularly religious, but there are extended family that are and the kids have friends who are religious. So we've tried to explain things as: "Some people believe..." -Paul

[2023-01-03 20:25:28] - paul:  let's just be happy we didn't do a challenge in 2008.  ~a

[2023-01-03 20:25:03] - Daniel: Yes. The stock market challenge was BRUTAL last year. Let us never speak of it again. -Paul

[2023-01-03 20:24:35] - Daniel: Theoretically, if I wanted to try to show appropriate skepticism of something, I guess I would try to ask for repeatable evidence of the existence of the thing. Like, "you see a ghost every night, huh? take a picture for me" -Paul

[2023-01-03 20:23:23] - Daniel: Honestly, I think my kids are still at the age where they believe pretty much any adult about anything, so any kind of skepticism might be hard. -Paul

[2023-01-03 20:21:45] - Daniel: Not sure I have any good answers for you. Interestingly enough, paranormal things hasn't been a big issue for us. Even nightmares and stuff tend to be rooted in real animals and not things like ghosts. We've had cases where friends from school have almost certainly been telling them wrong things, but it's more like scientifically wrong than stuff like "ghosts are real". -Paul

[2023-01-03 20:00:12] - I'd also say, on a personal level, that reinforcing your own beliefs as beliefs ("by the way, this is what I believe, and why...") and showing the respect yourself will go a long way in setting the example of what you want the child to be and do. -- Xpovos

[2023-01-03 19:58:28] - {...} "everyone is entitled to have their own kooky beliefs, if that's what makes them happy.  You'll have your own.  Be respectful, but understand that you're going to have differences of opinions, even with people you love very much." -- Xpovos

[2023-01-03 19:57:30] - a/daniel: Tough question.  A lot is going to depend on the age of the child, his ability to rationalize independently, and the level of normal engagement with the grandparent.  My MIL has some strange beliefs that she likes to chat about, but doesn't try to force on the kids.  She's highly engaged in the kids lives.  So our conversations have tended towards {...} -- Xpovos

[2023-01-03 19:36:40] - i'd probably talk to g-ma directly *especially* if you have a good relation with her.  if my inlaws started saying dumb stuff to . . . even my wife or friends, i'd probably be like, "uuuh, what are you talking about?"  ~a

[2023-01-03 19:35:05] - oooof, yep g-ma is a pretty close relation!  my input is probably useless, i have never raised kids and really don't have much extensive experience even talking with young kids.  let's see what paul or xpovos say?  ~a

[2023-01-03 19:25:46] - a: /shrug  - Andrea's mom.  Its been a whole thing but the resolution seems to be that I need to be more active in teaching Alex to know how to ask skepitcal questions and look for evidence before believeing things even from people who otherwise you would / should trust.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 19:01:08] - daniel:  "that were being presented to the child as real"  by whom?  you don't have to give me like a name or even any specifics, but like, someone they're related to?  or someone at school/daycare?  or like something on tv or in movies?  ~a

[2023-01-03 17:42:04] - 2022 Stock Challenge:  Oof at the numbers there.  All of them are pretty rough for a year's return.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 17:40:59] - I'm looking into that and coming up with ideas but figured I'd see if you had any good / better ideas than mine so far.  -Daniel

[2023-01-03 17:40:28] - paul: random question but if you wanted to teach your kids (continue?) to be skeptical of paranormal things (ghosts / spirits / faith healing etc) that were being presented to the child as real any thoughts on how you'd go about that?  -Daniel

[2023-01-01 01:29:36] - mig:  i agree, i think.  what they did probably wasn't illegal, but i'm not sure why not exactly.  ~a

[2022-12-31 23:59:46] - a: Also, who is Markus? -Paul

[2022-12-31 23:59:40] - a: https://cleantechnica.com/2022/12/30/2024-tesla-next-generation-vehicle-should-sell-for-12500-after-us-tax-credit/ Also, there's still hope for my 2025 Tesla FSD bet! (No, I don't really buy this, so no need to tell me all the reasons it is wrong). -Paul

[2022-12-31 23:59:04] - a: Congrats on winning the 2022 stock market challenge bet between us! How would you like your $20? -Paul

[2022-12-31 19:15:42] - a:  they did uncover an irs fuckup but that didn’t require making his returns public, especially since no one has actually accused Trump of any crimes based on his returns. - mig

[2022-12-31 06:17:53] - mig:  a president is no ordinary taxpayer.  they hold power and influence unlike any other american.  then, like almost literally a quote from spiderman.  seriously though, the ways and means committee on finance has a special exception that they're allowed to gather this information.  and their investigation uncovered a major fuckup at the irs.  ~a

[2022-12-30 21:27:24] - a: "aren't you just only getting to see what gets reported to the news?" Absolutely, but that's kind of true with every issue, right? Ideally, the news is reporting on what is potentially interesting regardless of which side it is on, although I assume we can both agree that isn't always what happens. I would assume if there was a reasonable interpretation from the other side we would have heard it, though, right? -Paul

[2022-12-30 20:56:11] - i thought tax returns were supposed to be confidential?  are everyone’s tax returns fair game to be publicly released now? - mig

[2022-12-30 19:08:48] - donald trump's taxes were released today (2015-2020).  you can download them yourself.  attachment e (1gb) is the one with the content.  ~a

[2022-12-30 15:15:59] - aren't you just only getting to see what gets reported to the news?  I mean I agree their entire mission statement is terrible, but we aren't accurately seeing even one of the data points.  ~a

[2022-12-30 03:45:12] - a: "it probably just means they're going to try hard to encourage the people falling behind to keep up" Sure, and this is one aspect I think is probably good. But that's not often what I see happening. Instead it's weird stuff like this not acknowledging impressive accomplishments to avoid others feeling bad or other ways of seemingly punishing merit. -Paul

[2022-12-30 02:38:13] - mig:  WITHOUT EXCEPTION.  meh, it probably just means they're going to try hard to encourage the people falling behind to keep up.  and that is laudable, honestly.  but seriously, getting equal outcomes from all students without exception seems like an impossible goal.  and i don't mean like a really hard goal, but i mean, like, mathematically impossible or something.  talk about setting yourself up for failure.  ~a

[2022-12-29 22:41:03] - paul:  “equal outcomes for every student, without exception." that's a phrase that sticks out to me.  It's a bizarre mantra because as someone who did had mediocre grades (relatively speaking for TJ), I absolutely did not deserve to get the same outcomes as others who worked harder than I did. - mig

[2022-12-29 22:39:39] - ok.  ~a

[2022-12-29 22:35:32] - a:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program from what I remember being a semifinalist was a BFD in terms of college admissions and getting scholarships. - mig

[2022-12-29 20:37:22] - a: I can understand that the "equity" side (for lack of a better term) has good intentions but I do very much think they are misguided and am very much against it. I also recognize it can get to a grey area. Equality of opportunity is certainly something to strive for (although how best to achieve that is tricky), whereas I think aiming for equality of outcome is a horrible idea. -Paul

[2022-12-29 18:44:44] - shrug.  i don't have as strong feelings about it as some people, i'm pretty on the fence about that topic:  i can kinda see both sides as being reasonable.  ~a

[2022-12-29 17:52:38] - a: I think in most cases that's a shame, and the wrong direction to go, and ends up with a less optimal experience. -Paul

[2022-12-29 17:51:03] - a: I was pretty happy with my TJ experience as well (although I do often wonder how radically different my life would've been had I gone to a different, less challenging, HS). But I also wonder how much has changed over the past 20 years. I think even the most staunch defenders of the current administration would admit to less of a focus on excellence and more of a focus on equity or parity. -Paul

[2022-12-29 17:03:59] - i was pretty happy with my experience at tj.  i know things have probably changed a lot in 24 years, but i really enjoyed it, and i felt i learned a bunch.  it also got me excited about hobbies i still enjoy today.  i feel bad for the principle, and i don't necessarily think he/she should be fired over this, but if the administration is already looking for a change, this is as good of a reason as any to start looking for a new principle.  ~a

[2022-12-29 16:24:02] - a: I don't remember. That was 20 years ago and I am positive I wouldn't have earned it anyway. :-) -Paul

[2022-12-29 16:23:37] - https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/fcps-withholds-awards-pays-455-000-for-equity-contractor/article_0bb6c642-86c9-11ed-abbf-cb802353dab6.html This has more info, but is also seemingly a little more biased and mixes in some tangentially related stuff. -Paul

[2022-12-29 16:23:30] - maybe my feelings were hurt because i wasn't honored and i've repressed it.  ~a

[2022-12-29 16:22:35] - paul:  was this a thing when we were at tj?  i don't remember it being a thing for us either.  was it?  maybe it was, and i just forgot?  ~a

[2022-12-29 16:22:16] - a: Apparently it has been going on for 5 years, which coincides with when the new principal joined. -Paul

[2022-12-29 16:19:45] - ha i skipped that paragraph apparently, my bad.  ~a

[2022-12-29 16:19:01] - a: I guess I'm wondering what the charitable interpretation was. That they just forgot to let the students know but remembered after it was too late? -Paul

[2022-12-29 16:18:28] - a: "they didn't want to hurt the feelings of other students who weren't being honored" I've seen that quote in a few articles with nobody arguing that it was taken out of context or wrong. It also goes along with the recent "equity" push for TJ. -Paul

[2022-12-29 16:14:32] - paul:  "it's hard not to think it might have been intentional" can you explain this?  i read the whole article, and i'm dumbfounded by the response by the parents at the possible intent.  what am i missing?  ~a

[2022-12-29 16:10:40] - man, i drive past the front of tj every now and then (i was even by there in the past few weeks), but it still startles me how much the facade changed.  ~a

[2022-12-29 16:09:38] - TJ Peeps: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/top-ranked-virginia-high-school-accused-of-depriving-students-of-merit-awards Have you heard about the controversy around the national merit recognition and TJ? I've been waiting to hear TJ's side of the story but they seem intent to remain silent and it's hard not to think it might have been intentional. -Paul

[2022-12-29 16:00:37] - not entirely my own concept, but i did notice that the CO2 in the atmosphere (*adjusted for season*), has been fairly linear since 2000.  so that means we can trivially determine the apx date by the ppm of co2 in the atmosphere:  twoDigitYear = ppmCo2 / 2.25 - 163 . . . or if you want to go the other direction,  ppmCo2 = twoDigitYear * 2.25 + 367:  a new fun way to measure time.  the current date is 419!  yay, "co2 ppm date"!  ~a

[2022-12-29 00:50:18] - a: Not particularly. I'm pretty solidly on the side of not criminalizing parody. I just can already see the justifications for defending the police. -Paul

[2022-12-28 22:23:53] - ok, did you want to argue on the side of the city of parma?  ~a

[2022-12-28 18:19:06] - I haven't been following the case too closely, but since it involves the police on one side.... I think it might be close. I think it hinges on Roberts and if he joins Gorsuch and the liberal wing. -Paul

[2022-12-28 17:31:30] - nice, ok cool.  i hope you are right.  ~a

[2022-12-28 17:31:00] - a:  i believe the court as a whole has been pretty good on free speech issues so I’m optimistic the city will lose this one. - mig

[2022-12-28 15:54:55] - i also wonder about these amicus briefs:  courts usually care a shit-ton about contempt.  and the onion brief, while obviously they put a bunch of time into it, does border on contempt.  mostly i wonder their process for filtering out amicus briefs . . . is it's someones job to delete the obviously intentionally inflammatory ones from the "public record" or whatever?  can anybody put anything into the public record or no?  ~a

[2022-12-28 14:51:29] - how do you think the supreme court will come down on this?  will they take the case?  (i think they will)  how will they rule?  ~a

[2022-12-28 14:50:36] - a:  first amendment violations and qualified immunity are 2 things i despise very much so thats a hard pass. - mig

[2022-12-28 14:15:27] - the city has qualified immunity, of course!  ~a

[2022-12-28 14:14:54] - does anybody want to argue on the side of the city of parma?  seems pretty fucked what they did to him.  (btw wikipedia leaves out some important details of what the city of parma did to him)  in my opinion, this guy's rights were violated.  i hope the supreme court does the right thing, but i'm not holding out hope for that.  ~a

[2022-12-28 01:09:26] - in the wikipedia article they also discuss the babylon bee's two amicus briefs (one for each side).  ~a

[2022-12-28 01:06:25] - the onion's amicus brief  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:56:30] - paul:  well if you're balancing those two extremes, i feel like you should just sit still?  i often find myself in this exact quandary, and in those situations i usually sit still.  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:55:41] - a: I feel like I should sell the rest of my shares.... or double down. But not just sit still. :-P -Paul

[2022-12-27 17:55:23] - Speaking of Musk and Tesla, looks like the stock is finally joining all my other holdings and has lost something like ~70% of its value over the past few months. I'm torn. Seems oversold and I like the semi and cybertruck catalysts, but not a huge fan of Elon being distracted by Twitter AND driving away customers with his actions. -Paul

[2022-12-27 17:51:31] - maybe something drastic changed about signal i'm not aware of, but usually you install the "signal" app on your phone.  then, it says, hey can we text you a confirmation code to your phone number, it does that, then you're done.  no account.  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:50:40] - it's not . . . an account.  maybe i don't understand what you're seeing.  pls text me a screenshot of what you see?  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:50:12] - a: I should just create a new account then? -Paul

[2022-12-27 17:41:34] - paul:  you still can yes.  people will see this message on their phones:  "Your safety number with paul has changed" with a "learn more" button.  but other than that it's fine.  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:39:18] - a: You say I can, but it sounds like I can't if I don't have a local backup or my old phone. Whoops. -Paul

[2022-12-27 17:37:37] - I ran into this problem so many times. My Google Authenticator has been reset so it's a giant pain in the ass to get into some accounts with 2FA. -Paul

[2022-12-27 17:37:29] - paul:  you can, but it's fine i'll send you a regular text message.  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:37:12] - a: Uh oh. I got a new phone and apparently never set up Signal on it. Can I restore my old account even though I don't have my old phone? -Paul

[2022-12-27 17:37:08] - paul:  "pretty enormous impact on EVs and private space travel"  you're right.  i could try to argue that he hasn't had a "positive" impact, but i'm not sure i even believe that much.  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:17:22] - mig:  if it's posted anonymously, how can it be virtue signalling?  ~a

[2022-12-27 17:16:39] - paul:  i sent you a signal message.  are you still on signal?  ~a

[2022-12-27 16:00:01] - paul:  it’s just banal virtue signaling at this point.  Bashing elon is the “in” thing to do now to show you’re a “good person” so its not surprising to see people vomit these kind of things out for their reddit karma/likes/eclout/etc. - mig

[2022-12-27 15:52:13] - I mean, I get not liking Musk's political opinions or thinking he's a loose cannon or whatever, but it seems absolutely insane to think that he hasn't had a pretty enormous impact on EVs and private space travel. -Paul

[2022-12-27 15:51:25] - title: I'm admittedly not a software genius (or an EV or rocket genius), but I have yet to see anything incredibly stupid Musk has said about software. I'm a little confused, though. This guy is making the argument that Tesla and SpaceX are frauds or something? -Paul

[2022-12-27 14:36:08] - Merry belated Christmas! -Paul

[2022-12-24 17:22:31] - brrrr cold day today!  merry christmas, message board!  ~a

[2022-12-21 20:59:40] - if you take the first six months of inflation, and turn it into a yearly figure:  (295.328/280.126)**2 i see 11%/year.  ~a

[2022-12-21 20:58:25] - the inflation for the first six months of the year was really high.  you could focus on that ;-)  ~a

[2022-12-21 18:50:32] - a: I was going to claim at least a partial win because I need something to hang my hat one considering the other predictions. :-P -Paul

[2022-12-21 18:29:08] - paul:  ah, yeah, gotcha.  yeah, 7% is reeeealy close to 8%.  i think you get partial credit™️ especially since you predicted this a whole year ago.  ~a

[2022-12-21 18:25:54] - a: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/18/how-to-get-9point62percent-annual-interest-for-series-i-bonds-before-november.html I knew it was lower than 9% annualized now, but thought it had been > 9% for long enough between 2021 and 2022 to offset the lower rate lately. Guess I was wrong. -Paul

[2022-12-21 15:38:20] - paul: Yeah I think I've heard npr use 7% as the number for inflation as well.  -Daniel

[2022-12-21 15:38:00] - paul:  the current combined ibond rate (i.e. with the inflation component and without) is 7%.  where are you seeing 9%?  ~a

[2022-12-21 15:36:02] - paul:  and for ibonds specifically, they have a component that is not indexed to inflation (they call it a "fixed rate", but it is very complicated).  tl/dr i'd expect the current ibond rates to be at least 0.4%/year over inflation.  ~a

[2022-12-21 15:32:31] - paul:  in the aggregate bonds are higher than inflation.  ~a

[2022-12-21 15:31:30] - a: "do you have a link that suggests otherwise?" Not really. I just could've sworn that I was seeing that iBonds were returning ~9% annualized for most of late 2021 and 2022 so I assumed inflation was around that. Maybe it was only ~9% annualized for a 6 month period or maybe more of that inflation was in 2021 than I remember. Thanks! -Paul

[2022-12-21 15:29:12] - things really took a turn the last five or six months.  there's been very low inflation since june.  ~a

[2022-12-21 15:24:09] - paul:  i looked a bit deeper at the 11 months of data we have in 2022, in case you wanted to *only* focus on those 11 months:  (298.349/280.126)**(12/11) sadly that also points to 7%.  ~a

[2022-12-21 15:21:13] - paul:  https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0  . . . 298.349/278.524-1 = 7%  😬  yikes, so close!  (and here is a second link that says 7% for november compared to one year before in november).  do you have a link that suggests otherwise?  ~a

[2022-12-21 15:11:35] - a: https://paulvsthemarket.com/recklessly-bold-predictions-for-2022/ Question: Looking for a second opinion to make sure I'm not missing another interpretation, but how accurate do you think my prediction of "Annual Inflation Rate for 2022 is > 8%" was? -Paul

[2022-12-20 19:39:22] - does it even differentiate between valid criticism and meritless criticism?  can i say "biden man bad" even when biden literally did something bad?  i think i can.  ~a

[2022-12-20 19:06:28] - we gotta retire "man bad".  it feels lazy.  ~a

[2022-12-20 18:46:49] - a:  no i don’t really care and this feels like orange man (telsa man?) badding. - mig

[2022-12-20 17:09:17] - "How involved was she? How responsible was she?" Well I definitely wouldn't want to speculate.  Anywhere from "not at all" to "very".  ~a

[2022-12-20 16:57:02] - https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/europe/irmgard-furchner-nazi-crimes-trial-verdict-intl/index.html Speaking of "living her life under an oppressive government that is doing terrible horrible things around the world", I found this story interesting. 97 years old now, tried in juvenile court because she was a teenager at the time. How involved was she? How responsible was she? -Paul

[2022-12-20 16:41:47] - yah.  ~a

[2022-12-20 16:41:10] - a: Sure, and if we knew that Musk (A) Knew who she was and (B) was on board with the selfie then sure, that would be questionable. I'm just saying that until we know that, it's kind of just a random picture to me. How many selfie requests do you think he gets in a day? Especially when at something public like the World Cup final. And does he have time to memorize the faces of all the Russian news anchors to know to avoid them? -Paul

[2022-12-20 16:02:45] - paul:  "That she's an enthusiastic supporter of one of the most evil leaders on the planet?"  i feel like this is enough.  not enough to be arrested, but enough to not get selfies with random people.  ~a

[2022-12-20 16:00:08] - paul:  in some ways she might be like any other russian:  living her life under an oppressive government that is doing terrible horrible things around the world.  i've never watched her show, so that might be all there is to it?  but, if i were elon musk (already, oof), and knew who she was (yeah, i get it), i would try to avoid a selfie.  ~a

[2022-12-20 15:50:05] - a: Okay, but what's the worst thing we can say about her? That she's an enthusiastic supporter of one of the most evil leaders on the planet? Any war crimes or, heck, even regular crimes we can put her in jail for? I get that Putin is super bad, but being seen in a picture with somebody who is a big supporter of a really bad person is like two degrees of separation with big drop offs of badness at each step in my eyes. -Paul

[2022-12-20 15:31:54] - paul:  8-)  i knew you say that!  so, i was way more specific.  wasn't i more specific?  i gave you her exact job.  she's the host of the tv show Direct Line with Vladimir Putin.  "As its name implies, it is a question and answer event with Russian President Vladimir Putin"  ~a

[2022-12-20 14:28:45] - "putin propagandist" is pretty vague. Is that like how Fox News might be called a Trump propagandist during the Trump years? -Paul

[2022-12-20 14:26:55] - a: It's not excusing it, just saying this isn't the first time a famous person has been caught in a picture with a controversial figure, and specifically not the first for Musk. I think a little context is needed before passing judgement in most of these cases. It's not like it's somebody like Putin who should be immediately recognizable. I had, and still have, no idea who this person really is even though you told me. -Paul

[2022-12-20 14:06:09] - paul: because we can find him with chilling with epstein, that makes this ok?  if I had to guess, he did this on purpose in attempts to get attention.  ~a

[2022-12-19 23:03:51] - a: Isn't there some photo of him with Epstein or something too? I'm sure you can find a ton of photos of Musk with questionable people. He also briefly pissed off a bunch of Ukraine supporters earlier this year when he weighed in on peace treaty possibilities with Russia. I would be interested in learning the context (including if he had any idea who she was, as mentioned) before passing any judgement. -Paul

[2022-12-19 21:50:31] - a: I saw that and while on one hand isn't a good look, its hard to know everyone who wants a selfie.  If putin's right hand man or top general wanted to take a selfie with me I wouldn't know what they looked like to say no thank you.  -Daniel

[2022-12-19 20:51:22] - i know you're probably going to say you don't care, or that it's, like, not his job to determine everybody who wants a selfie.  but this is nailya asker-zade, putin propagandist (her job is to be the main host of "Direct Line with Vladimir Putin" tv show).  i probably wouldn't care either if russia wasn't in the middle of a multi-year unprovoked/brutal attack on the people of ukraine.  ~a

[2022-12-19 18:51:15] - "goat simulator" is even one of their own games.  ~a

[2022-12-19 18:50:31] - yes, it's a joke.  ~a

[2022-12-19 18:50:04] - a: Sorry if that's just jokingly posted and not to be taken seriously, but that's nowhere near the same thing, right? Twitter can't prevent people from using other social media accounts any more than this developer can prevent people from playing other games. I don't even know what the proper analogy would be here. Creating a World of Warcraft account and just logging on and telling everybody else to play Fortnite? -Paul

[2022-12-19 18:07:01] - paul:  satisfactory tweets  ~a

[2022-12-19 16:08:07] - a: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604615711036407809 "Policy will be adjusted to suspending accounts only when that account’s *primary* purpose is promotion of competitors, which essentially falls under the no spam rule" -Paul

[2022-12-19 15:56:00] - mig:  oh man i left that youtube link open, and when i opened my laptop this morning, i got an earful of elon jet music blasting.  🤘  ~a

[2022-12-19 14:46:43] - new policy?  I missed the new policy apparently.  what is it?  ~a

[2022-12-19 13:53:18] - a: "he apparently changed his mind on banning rival networks" I saw somebody theorize that the new policy is what he wanted all along, but knew people would freak, so went with the extreme one first and so this new one seems palatable. Not sure I believe it, but the first proposal did seems strangely tone deaf, even for Musk. -Paul

[2022-12-19 13:45:52] - a:  it's gone now but reading that policy mentions and @'s were still allowed just not direct links. - mig

[2022-12-19 13:43:10] - a:  real time tracking?  yes. it's doxxing.  And yes they should take it down.  Ultimately that's the respective site's prerogative though I would say they're being inconsistent in their policies f they are aggressive about doxxing in other cases (and I know youtube at least is when it comes to personal info). - mig

[2022-12-19 08:22:21] - paul:  if they needed a second policy that specifically banned mentioning rival networks, then it means disallowing "spam" wasn't enough:  they literally were going to go further than that.  they were going to ban links to rival networks / mentions of rival networks / they were going to somehow stem the tide of people leaving:  which would make twitter "the bad one"  ~a

[2022-12-19 08:19:10] - paul:  he apparently changed his mind on banning rival networks.  obviously, you were against it anyways :)  "Somewhere in between there is the line where it goes from appropriate to inappropriate, right?"  i think so.  maybe.  i mean spamming is disallowed, and if you're literally only spamming, then yeah, they'd block you for that.  but yeah there's a huge grey area of what counts as spam.  ~a

[2022-12-19 08:16:17] - mig:  https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/ https://www.facebook.com/ElonJet/ https://www.instagram.com/elonmusksjet/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBDpPVTolvs  is this doxing?  if so, should reddit and facebook and instagram and youtube shut down those links?  ~a

[2022-12-19 05:12:43] - a: Somewhere in between there is the line where it goes from appropriate to inappropriate, right? -Paul

[2022-12-19 05:12:15] - a: So in the former case, yes, your analogy is closer. In the latter? It would be like MSNBC interviewing somebody who starts every response with: "Check out my better interview on CNN!" -Paul

[2022-12-19 05:11:33] - a: The best (and in this context, I mean the most charitable to Elon, not the most accurate) interpretation is they're looking to ban accounts mainly focused on promoting alternative social networks. -paul

[2022-12-19 05:10:06] - a: I mean, it's hard to say what a good analogy would be since we don't know exactly how strictly they are going to enforce it. The worst interpretation would be a banning upon any mention of a rival social network... -Paul

[2022-12-19 04:53:44] - paul:  did you vote?  six hours left.  ~a

[2022-12-18 23:29:44] - paul:  "interviewing somebody who was wearing a 'Fox Sports' hat or 'ESPN' shirt"  do you feel this is a fair analogy?  i feel like if you were on msnbc and somebody mentioned a story that envolved CNN and they were like "what the hell, man, you can talk about CNN here, this is a CNN-free zone" that might be a bit closer?  ~a

[2022-12-18 21:09:47] - a: Didn't he just recently tweet about the Streisand Effect, too? Maybe this is 3D chess and he's trying to make Mastodon a thing. :-P -Paul

[2022-12-18 20:28:12] - a: That's the squirrelly (spelling?) thing about moderation. Really blurry line about what to moderate and what not to. -Paul

[2022-12-18 20:27:05] - a: Obviously I am against it, but for moderation supporters, this doesn't seem that outrageous. I mean, would NBC be thrilled if they were interviewing somebody who was wearing a "Fox Sports" hat or "ESPN" shirt? -Paul

[2022-12-18 20:23:47] - a: I assume even if they didn't have some sort of hard-coded "everybody sees Musk's tweets at the top of their feed" setting, his tweets would still show up high for "other people liked / retweeted / commented on this highly followed person's tweet" reasons. -Paul

[2022-12-18 19:32:46] - paul: is this an april fools joke?  a bit weird to see these in December.  ~a

[2022-12-18 19:28:52] - You assume his being at the top of my feeds isn't a bias they inserted for him specifically.  do you have reason to believe his position in the algorithm is legitimate?  yes, I could block or mute him.  ~a

[2022-12-18 18:40:05] - a: Yeah, I think you're at the mercy of the algorithm, then. I mean, he's one of the most followed people AND tweets a lot AND gets a ton of engagement, so it's not surprising. Can't you mute or block him? -Paul

[2022-12-18 06:45:07] - paul: "If you have only latest tweets showing" I don't. It shows musk tweets and says that my followers follow him (which would be fine if they didn't also prioritize the fuck out of his account).  ~a

[2022-12-18 04:57:54] - agreed.  this is nothing like the saturday night massacre.  ~a

[2022-12-17 21:32:00] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_15,_2022_Twitter_suspensions "Thursday Night Massacre" seems a tad over-dramatic. -Paul

[2022-12-17 17:32:49] - Kind of weird, though, because not sure an extra seven days of suspension makes a big difference. Seems far more important to have some solid rules in place about doxxing and what is and isn't allowed. -Paul

[2022-12-17 17:32:08] - a: If you have only latest tweets showing, then you should only see his tweets if somebody you follow retweets him, right? I didn't see he polled twice, but was surprised the outcome was the more favorable one to the reporters. -Paul

[2022-12-17 17:02:53] - paul:  also, his followers are mostly filled with his proponents.  those poll results are going to be the least scientific poll ever:  it will be mostly sycophants!  i, for instance have tons of times tried to see less tweets from elon musk.  SO the fact that his poll lost the first time is surprising:  but poll losing the second time, like wth, he had TWO god damn polls because he didn't like the results, i can't fucking get past that.  ~a

[2022-12-17 16:56:51] - Yes, twice.  Twice!  He didn't like the results the first time so he did a second poll.  What a fucking tool.  ~a

[2022-12-17 16:16:01] - Apparently Musk took a poll and re-instated the reporter accounts that were suspended? -Paul

[2022-12-16 22:13:23] - We’ll dispense the gymnastics.  I do think real time tracking of a person is doxxing, public figure or not. - mig

[2022-12-16 20:39:49] - he did both of those things, so i can still confidently say "fuck musk".  ~a

[2022-12-16 20:38:55] - paul:  mmm.  you're right.  i even looked up the pre-musk twitter rules and it seems like it probably shouldn't be allowed.  they have tons of carve-outs for "public figures", but that doesn't seem to apply to private "information".  if musk hadn't blocked a bunch of journalists about it, AND he hadn't literally used it as his ONLY example to explain about how awesomely pro-free-speech he is, i might actually be on his side on this.  ~a

[2022-12-16 20:37:41] - a: https://reason.com/2022/10/13/we-told-you-why-and-how-californias-high-speed-rail-wouldnt-work-you-chose-not-to-listen/ I, uh, highly doubt that the practically non-existent and hugely behind schedule high speed rail in California could take Musk to everywhere he wants to go considering Tesla's HQ is in Texas and they have gigafactories in Germany and China. -Paul

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