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[2001-06-08 20:37:00] - http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2001-06-07/finger.html <-- search for ungodly Discrimination -jdb

[2001-06-08 19:00:00] - http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/features/lat_junk010503.htm -jdb

[2001-06-08 18:54:00] - http://www.apple.com/retail/ so have you guys checked out the new apple store in mclean yet? -jdb

[2001-06-08 18:42:00] - off to the fair.  ~a

[2001-06-08 18:42:00] - even microsoft is giving up on asp.  ~a

[2001-06-08 18:41:00] - http://www.collegiatetimes.com/ <-- the CT website has been redone, it is now powered by asp, bleh. -jdb

[2001-06-08 17:45:00] - nm, she just got back. - mig

[2001-06-08 17:41:00] - morality check:  my sister has expressed interest in coming, but she's not home yet and i should probably leave within the next 15-20 mins.  ditch her or no? - mig

[2001-06-08 17:32:00] - anyway, i have to go talk to my dad about some stuff.  hopefully i'll see some of you tonight!  byebye.  -  aba

[2001-06-08 17:31:00] - i am happy to not be in the tower anymore!    -  aba

[2001-06-08 17:27:00] - aba: main egg is a nice placed to live; i lived there summer 98. -jdb

[2001-06-08 17:24:00] - aba: nice work. at least one of us beat the system - vinnie

[2001-06-08 17:23:00] - BA17701.....EGG M.....0306  -  aba

[2001-06-08 17:13:00] - bleh, still in lee. que sera sera. and yes, if you've been to my page, arial is my favorite font. don't know what it says about me though - vinnie

[2001-06-08 16:58:00] - because of the former. - mig

[2001-06-08 16:57:00] - is that only because of probation or whatever? or is that a general-type policy? -jdb

[2001-06-08 16:56:00] - nope.  they're not going to let me transfer any credit, period. - mig

[2001-06-08 16:54:00] - you can't even do general elective type stuff? -jdb

[2001-06-08 16:53:00] - working, once i find a job.  taking classes would do me no go, as tech won't allow me credit for them. - mig

[2001-06-08 16:42:00] - mig: so are you working in your time off from school? taking some classes at community college or something? -jdb

[2001-06-08 16:37:00] - thx for the info. - mig

[2001-06-08 16:35:00] - rdp is just a big convoluted mess. -jdb

[2001-06-08 16:34:00] - ok, i was just checking.  i was given the impression from the rdp's webpage that it was not very easy to do so. - mig

[2001-06-08 16:32:00] - mig: i've had friends come off of co-ops, etc. with no problems whatsoever. i recommend calling this fall and asking about the spring -- to make sure you're on a waiting list, etc. -jdb

[2001-06-08 16:31:00] - hey josh, speaking of housing, is it hard to get housing when you're coming back from an off-semester? - mig

[2001-06-08 16:30:00] - aba: did you get a better room? -dave

[2001-06-08 16:28:00] - http://www.rdp.vt.edu/f&r/tentasgn.htm -jdb

[2001-06-08 16:23:00] - where? - aaron

[2001-06-08 16:21:00] - dorm assignments have been updated. i have a roommate now, bleh. -jdb

[2001-06-08 16:05:00] - yeah, well 6:30 seems very early to catch a 7:15 show but I think that's what everybody has decided on - aaron

[2001-06-08 16:05:00] - vinnie: what is it, arial? Beesknees? Bauhaus? - aaron

[2001-06-08 16:03:00] - so is it still 6:30 for fairfax fair? - mig

[2001-06-08 16:01:00] - they don't talk about my favorite font in that article ;( - vinnie

[2001-06-08 16:01:00] - hmmm.. so i was close. - mig

[2001-06-08 16:00:00] - Formula for an ellipse centered at the origin with width "w" and height "h": r^2 = (w*coso)^2 + (h*sino)^2 - aaron

[2001-06-08 15:52:00] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1348000/1348871.stm -jdb

[2001-06-08 15:43:00] - http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm?list476017 -jdb

[2001-06-08 15:37:00] - http://oreilly.com/news/mundie_0601.html the link to the forum is there. - mig

[2001-06-08 15:36:00] - grrrr! - mig

[2001-06-08 15:35:00] - haha, here's a funny quote: "Here's a scenario: I think my dick is bigger than yours, and I have right here in my hand. Where is your dick Mundie? Why won't you let us look at it?" - mig

[2001-06-08 15:31:00] - mig: unable to determine refering url. the link won't work on it's own. -dewey

[2001-06-08 15:30:00] - ooooooooooooooohhhhhh Fred - e-rotic

[2001-06-08 15:29:00] - http://oreilly.com/cgi-bin/comments - mig

[2001-06-08 15:28:00] - I won't let your dreams get wet - aaron

[2001-06-08 15:28:00] - Oh my max had sex with a sexy ex 'cause he loves her ass and tits - e-rotic

[2001-06-08 15:28:00] - Miguel, I thought you had a season pass - aaron

[2001-06-08 15:28:00] - I'm so horny! Oh fred, come to bed. - E-rotic

[2001-06-08 15:14:00] - i also reiterate vinnie's request. - mig

[2001-06-08 15:14:00] - x^2coso+y^2sino seems more plausible. That might be correct. Hm. - aaron

[2001-06-08 15:12:00] - aaron: did you see my message about coming to my house today? - vinnie

[2001-06-08 15:12:00] - today feels like a friday to me. the office is deserted because everyone left early - vinnie

[2001-06-08 15:09:00] - paul: if you have extras, can i use one of your coupons? - vinnie

[2001-06-08 15:00:00] - x and y are the respective radii of the ellispe - mig

[2001-06-08 14:59:00] - mig: i was using paul's copy of d2 -dave

[2001-06-08 14:50:00] - jdb: Your next post will be your 1000th, make it worthwhile - aaron

[2001-06-08 14:46:00] - - aaron

[2001-06-08 14:46:00] - Are x and y width and height or what?

[2001-06-08 14:45:00] - don't hold me to this though, it's just a guess. - mig

[2001-06-08 14:45:00] - the o's are thetas - mig

[2001-06-08 14:44:00] - x^2cos O + y^2cos O - mig

[2001-06-08 14:39:00] - aaron: Polar coordinates? Dear god, I have no idea. Sorry -paul

[2001-06-08 14:36:00] - What's the formula for the polar equation for an ellipse, with its center at the origin? - aaron

[2001-06-08 14:25:00] - mig: I think I can get $9 off for people with coupons in my season pass coupon book -paul

[2001-06-08 14:24:00] - mig: I know, it doesn't feel like a Friday at all... -paul

[2001-06-08 14:23:00] - just realized something, does anyone got coupons for kd? - mig

[2001-06-08 14:20:00] - whoa.  today's friday.  i was so not aware of that. - mig

[2001-06-08 14:20:00] - didn't you have d2 before then? - mig

[2001-06-08 14:17:00] - paul: and no, i'm not going to the fairfax fair thingy. my friend is having a barbecue, and it's kinda for his birthday. and the youth group thing is usually on fridays too (i'm skipping it for the barbecue) -dave

[2001-06-08 14:16:00] - dave: and you said you were considering maybe buying it when the expansion came out. That's a bit different from going out and buying it the next day -paul

[2001-06-08 14:15:00] - paul:spontaneous? not really. i thought we talked about it yesterday -dave

[2001-06-08 14:02:00] - Dave: are you going to the Fairfax fair thingy tonight? -paul

[2001-06-08 13:57:00] - dave: Really? That's kind of spontaneous(sp)... -paul

[2001-06-08 13:53:00] - paul: i bought d2 at lunch -dave

[2001-06-08 13:53:00] - paul: i was thinking more of clothed pictures, but i should have known pictures implies porn for you -dave

[2001-06-08 13:52:00] - dave: I'll take that as a yes. -paul

[2001-06-08 13:52:00] - -dave

[2001-06-08 13:51:00] - paul: ackpth!

[2001-06-08 13:40:00] - dave: Aw.... poor dave. Can't find naked pictures of her? -paul

[2001-06-08 13:38:00] - not famous enough to have readily available pictures online = ( -dave

[2001-06-08 13:36:00] - apparently she was in scream 3 and notting hill -dave

[2001-06-08 13:15:00] - dave: No idea, check www.imdb.com -paul

[2001-06-08 13:11:00] - has emily mortimer from disney's the kid starred in any other movies? -dave

[2001-06-08 13:06:00] - http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/mediaspeech/

[2001-06-08 13:00:00] - where did everybody go? I'm so lonely -paul

[2001-06-08 12:53:00] - http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/energy/

[2001-06-08 12:51:00] - http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/environment/

[2001-06-08 12:20:00] - http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html

[2001-06-08 11:41:00] - and email or im aparna if you want your color changed.  ~a

[2001-06-08 11:40:00] - you can not modify entries dynamically.  what do you want, that we assign passwords?  yeah right.  if you want to modify an entry, email aparna.  ~a

[2001-06-08 11:30:00] - also, is there a way to change the date if I put one in wrong...? - dewey

[2001-06-08 11:27:00] - hm, http://aparna.dhs.org uses the same colors as Mr. IOU, so Aaron's name and uncolored people are heard to read. - dewey

[2001-06-08 11:22:00] - http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20010608-116805.htm This is pretty funny -paul

[2001-06-08 11:20:00] - mig: i agree. i think the process can be rather random when you start looking at the ivy league schools. -dave

[2001-06-08 11:17:00] - http://www.washtech.com/news/media/10370-1.html

[2001-06-08 10:51:00] - http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jauth/vtpp/ -jdb

[2001-06-08 10:18:00] - in the end i think all the wildcards balance each other out. - mig

[2001-06-08 10:15:00] - whoops  wildcares = wildcards. - mig

[2001-06-08 10:15:00] - e daddy gave the school some donations?) - mig

[2001-06-08 10:15:00] - to make a fair college admission process is completely impossible.  there are way too many wildcares involved.  sure, there are wildcares for minorities, but there are wildcares for the rich folks as well (will a college turn you down if you'r

[2001-06-08 10:11:00] - that might explain why reincarnation is so low on there - vinnie

[2001-06-08 10:10:00] - at least, not in the us - vinnie

[2001-06-08 10:09:00] - wow, yeah, i would think more people would believe in reincarnation. guess there not many hindus out there  = ) -dave

[2001-06-08 10:07:00] - ok dave, how bout this: more people believe in haunted houses, telepathy, and witches than reincarnation - vinnie

[2001-06-08 10:06:00] - vinnie: yeah, i would have thought offhand that more people would believe in reincarnation -dave

[2001-06-08 10:04:00] - still, reincarnation is a fundamental tenet of hinduism and buddhism - vinnie

[2001-06-08 10:03:00] - vinnie: how odd, i wonder how many would answer yes without asking what the definition for the survey was -dave

[2001-06-08 10:02:00] - but i can see your point. people might believe in a little esp, but it's hard to believe in a little reincarnation - vinnie

[2001-06-08 10:02:00] - paul: the statement about having to define "what you deserve" -dave

[2001-06-08 10:02:00] - dave: no clue. they merely asked the question "do you believe in esp"? - vinnie

[2001-06-08 10:00:00] - vinnie: Jesus never claimed to have ESP.  many think it a godly power to raise from the dead or live again. - dewey

[2001-06-08 10:00:00] - dave: What statement are you referring to? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:59:00] - vinnie: believe in esp to what extent? -dave

[2001-06-08 09:58:00] - i should stop trying to cleaverly couch all my comments, hahaha -dave

[2001-06-08 09:58:00] - my god, more people believe in esp than reincarnation? lol - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:57:00] - paul: you know, that's the second time you've said exactly what i was trying to say, but made it sound better -dave

[2001-06-08 09:56:00] - http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/choice/

[2001-06-08 09:55:00] - D'oh! Good timing Josh -paul

[2001-06-08 09:55:00] - or rather, if people get what they deserve - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:55:00] - Hmmmmm, I wonder where Josh went.... I hope I didn't offend him somehow... -paul

[2001-06-08 09:55:00] - http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr010608.asp -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:55:00] - paul: Not many schools judge admissions based soley on grades.  they use it as one factor.  and it is probably because of the fairness issue that you pointed out - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:55:00] - paul: maybe we should just change our definition of "fairness" then? -dave

[2001-06-08 09:54:00] - dave: exactly. i couldn't tell you whether i think a flat tax or a brackets tax is more "fair" - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:54:00] - vinnie: Good call -paul

[2001-06-08 09:53:00] - aaron: Who determines if the parties are getting what they deserve? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:53:00] - but even then that brings up the issue of when you can start rightfully making decisions for yourself - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:53:00] - aaron: heehee, same difference, that's like saying, "it's fair.....if it's fair" = ) -dave

[2001-06-08 09:53:00] - disclaimer: that previous comment was not my personal view of blacks, it was a statement of the political policies. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:52:00] - I am of the opinion that life isn't fair, and nothing humans can do will ever change that -paul

[2001-06-08 09:52:00] - how about if you are black, you therefore logically live in a shitty neighborhod and got an underfunded education, so we should have a special acceptance policy for them? (see where I am going?) - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:52:00] - i think the problem is that we don't have a level playing field to start. if we did, I think i could agree on a definition of fairness - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:51:00] - Yes, something is fair if the parties involved get what they deserve, I think that works. - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:51:00] - paul: perhaps the old axiom suits it best, "life isn't fair" - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:50:00] - vinnie: So there should be a GPA weighting system?  If you went to a shitty school, you should get points added to your high school GPA?  Would that make it fair? - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:50:00] - dewey: Yes, that would be unfair -paul

[2001-06-08 09:50:00] - dewey: what if he got a 1600 on the sat's, had billions of extra curricular activities, and had nobel worthy essays? = ) -dave

[2001-06-08 09:50:00] - aaron: i found that show amusing even at the time it was still on. i bet i'd get a kick out of it now - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:49:00] - http://aporter.dhs.org/?a=2&d=33#08493 found it - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:49:00] - of course, that raises the question for me: Is anything fair? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:49:00] - man, good luck to anyone trying to reread this discussion. it's so disjointed. -dave

[2001-06-08 09:48:00] - Wouldn't it be unfair if I didn't get accpeted, but someone who slacked off in high-school with a GPA of 1.0 was accepted? - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:47:00] - http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/business/

[2001-06-08 09:46:00] - Heh - Reminds me of the end of every episode of "kids court"... Random shmoe: "MY TEACHER gave me an f because I didn't go to class! Fair or unfair?" Audience: "UNFAIR!" - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:46:00] - aaron: - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:46:00] - paul: oh, i didn't see the "dewey" in front of your "personal attacks" comment. thought you were referring to a different comment -dave

[2001-06-08 09:46:00] - For instance, discriminating against people because of their grades is still unfair even if it may be a reasonable thing to do -paul

[2001-06-08 09:45:00] - Paul, Dave: definition of - I'm joking. -dewey

[2001-06-08 09:45:00] - vinnie: yeah, i think we have had this discussion before. if not this exact one, then one with the same underlying principles -dave

[2001-06-08 09:45:00] - dave: dewey was kidding about taking offense at that quote, I think -paul

[2001-06-08 09:44:00] - dave: Exactly, it's a question of semantics. I feel that fairness is independent on whather I think it makes sense -paul

[2001-06-08 09:44:00] - paul: who was kidding about what? -dave

[2001-06-08 09:44:00] - at least, paul has i remember - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:43:00] - dewey and aaron: The problem is that you guys are basing your definition of fairness on whether it is reasonable, I don't agree with that definition -paul

[2001-06-08 09:43:00] - Certain kinds of discrimination are fair under certain circumstances. I guess I'm unfair, because when I order pizza, I only order the toppings which I like. Well what about green peppers? I never pick them. How discriminatory. Boo, aaron! - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:43:00] - like travis would say, i think we've had this fairness discussion before - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:42:00] - aaron: the operative phrase is "you think" you're assuming a different standard of fair from paul i believe -dave

[2001-06-08 09:42:00] - dave: He was kidding, you have to have read the entire thing to understand that... -paul

[2001-06-08 09:41:00] - With college, would you accept someone who won't cut it and will take too much of the prof's time away from other students who have paid for their eduaction also.  Would it be fair for someone who paid the same amount to get more service? - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:41:00] - dave: Quiet you -paul

[2001-06-08 09:41:00] - paul: i agree, it was not a personal attack, dunno why he thought it was -dave

[2001-06-08 09:40:00] - I agree that it's not always fair. Sure there are circumstances under which kids will have bad grades for the wrong reasons but I think it is generally fair. But it's not unfair. I still think it's mostly fair. - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:40:00] - but you could equally argue that not discriminating on grades is unfair. it really just depends on what you think fair means - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:40:00] - Would you hire a high-school flunkie to design the new bridge to span the potomic?  No, you hire someone with the brains and the degree. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:40:00] - vinnie: Thank you, I'm glad somebody sees what I am trying to say -paul

[2001-06-08 09:40:00] - aaron: So discrimination is only fair if it makes sense to do it? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:40:00] - paul: please limit your comments of hopelessness to the people who are actually taking what you say as personal attacks = ) -dave

[2001-06-08 09:39:00] - Hm that didn't sound right at all. Let me try again in a minute - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:39:00] - i disagree. discrimination on education is not fair. it's not fair to those who live in areas with poor education systems - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:39:00] - aaron: take christianity for example. all non-christians are going to hell. is that unfair? yes. do i still believe in it? yes -dave

[2001-06-08 09:39:00] - dewey: Argghhh. These aren't personal attacks! You guys are hopeless.... -paul

[2001-06-08 09:38:00] - i think if you say a flat tax is unfair, you have to agree that discrimination on grades is unfair - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:38:00] - Discrimination based on education is fair, because of they're discriminating based on your ability to succeed in college. Just like a baseball team only takes the best players, it's the same thing - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:38:00] - aaron: maybe paul's example of college admissions was a bad one. but his point is that just because something is unfair doesn't mean you can't support it -dave

[2001-06-08 09:37:00] - i can see paul's point here, and it goes back to what your definition of fair is. is charging a flat tax fair? - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:37:00] - dewey: What's wrong with my definition of unfair? Why is discrimination based on economic standing unfair but discrimination based on education fair? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:36:00] - paul: "If I had said that a man could kill a person easily (even in a group of people)" You were refering to me, weren't you? - Dewey

[2001-06-08 09:36:00] - aaron: You don't think it's unfair? What about people who were born mentally handicapped? They might not be lazy, but they are going to have a hard time getting into college -paul

[2001-06-08 09:34:00] - Paul: whoa- you need to rethink your definition of unfair.  Certain things (college admissions, job interviews, etc) have requirements that must be met. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:33:00] - (that's why they don't accept kids with low grades, is what I meant) - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:33:00] - Of course everything I am saying is backwards and incorrect but I hope your kindness! - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:33:00] - The skills needed to get good grades in high school are the same as the skills needed to succeed in college. That's why they don't accept kids with high grades, it does not seem unfair to me - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:32:00] - Yes, I agree the college admission process discriminates against people with bad grades, but I do not think that is unfair. How is this unfair? In general people with bad grades are just lazy (me for instance) - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:29:00] - errrr, debater is not the right word, but you get the idea -dave

[2001-06-08 09:29:00] - aaron: I don't agree at all. The college admission process is unfair, it discriminates against people with bad grades. That doesn't mean I am against it -paul

[2001-06-08 09:29:00] - you can <<END; to comment more than one line in perl but it still evaluates the comment before sending the result to nowhere.  ~a

[2001-06-08 09:29:00] - jdb: you have to realize that paul is not your average debater =  ) haha -dave

[2001-06-08 09:28:00] - i am guessing php is newer so it has all the cool stuff perl does but it got rid of the annoying things in perl.  perl has no good way to comment more than one line at a time.  ~a

[2001-06-08 09:27:00] - Paul, you said toll booths unfairly punish the poor. I think josh is right to assume that if you think something is unfair, then you are against it. Don't be mean to josh - aaron

[2001-06-08 09:27:00] - dewey: i know perl is a powerful tool.  what do you think this message board and aparna.dhs.org is written in.  php has all the text processing tools perl has.  ~a

[2001-06-08 09:27:00] - jdb: I was pointing out the downsides to a toll booth, much in the same way you were pointing out the downsides to private schools -paul

[2001-06-08 09:26:00] - jdb: I am having a serious discussion, have I done something to make you feel otherwise? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:25:00] - paul: why did you choose to say "i don't know if that is such a good idea" <-- the only point of that comment was to throw things, right? -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:25:00] - jdb: what? serious discussion? what were you thinking?! lol = ) -dave

[2001-06-08 09:24:00] - jdb: Yup. I said that. I never said I was against toll booths though, you just assumed that -paul

[2001-06-08 09:24:00] - paul: i'm sure you were being facetious; i was trying to have a serious discussion. -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:23:00] - paul: you said "toll roads unfairly punish the poor because they are hit hardest by the toll" -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:23:00] - paul: I'm just kidding.  I don't know who is going, I was just bringing the subject of the fair up. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:22:00] - jdb: Oh, you assumed that I was against booths because they are "unfair" to the poor. -paul

[2001-06-08 09:22:00] - dave: true, taxes pay for it, and therefor cost of living is higher. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:21:00] - paul: because it unfairly punishes the poor who can't afford the 'better' education - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:20:00] - dewey: I don't know if I am going to the fair tonight.... -paul

[2001-06-08 09:20:00] - paul: because you just chose to complain about toll booths. -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:20:00] - dewey: you have to afford living in fairfax to go to the schools = ) -dave

[2001-06-08 09:19:00] - jdb: Why do you find it odd that I support a private school system so strongly? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:19:00] - paul: yeah! -dave

[2001-06-08 09:19:00] - paul: so you toss a scantron and a quarter in the bin, eh? -dewey

[2001-06-08 09:18:00] - jdb: true, the poor can't afford the private schools (although fairfax county schools are free and the best ) - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:17:00] - dave: We need IRS agents at each toll booth and people should fill out forms to figure out how much of a toll they should pay -paul

[2001-06-08 09:17:00] - paul: we can discuss at the fair tonight.  I think the plan is 6:30 at the red gate. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:16:00] - paul: then i find it odd that you support the private school system so strongly. -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:15:00] - paul: so we should have a graduated toll tax eh? = ) lol -dave

[2001-06-08 09:14:00] - dewey: Cool, I need to have a talk with you and Vinnie then -paul

[2001-06-08 09:13:00] - jdb: I don't know if that is such a good idea, toll roads unfairly punish the poor because they are hit hardest by the toll. -paul

[2001-06-08 09:13:00] - course, if you're driving to work, then you should be making enough money to pay for it = ) -dave

[2001-06-08 09:12:00] - yep, I try to vote every year - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:11:00] - jdb: How is welfare not so simple? You give poor people money. Doesn't get much simpler then that. -paul

[2001-06-08 09:11:00] - i think things like 35 cent roads aren't too bad as far as user fees go. but if you're going to drive that road twice a day on your commute to work....it adds up -dave

[2001-06-08 09:11:00] - a: but perl is/was designed as a powerful textfile-processing tool.  PHP was designed specificaly for the web. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:11:00] - paul: i don't have a list in my head. i just know that i don't mind some things being user fee based (think toll road example). -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:10:00] - http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/electric/

[2001-06-08 09:10:00] - dewey: paul was asking if you were going to vote this year -dave

[2001-06-08 09:10:00] - a: perl is an excellent tool.  I am using it for all my work at MITRE right now. - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:09:00] - dave: exactly. it's not so simple. -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:09:00] - paul: how about me what? - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:09:00] - paul

[2001-06-08 09:09:00] - jdb: What kind of things should be changed over to user fees? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:09:00] - paul: i think welfare is a fair answer to poverty. it needs reform, but then again, what doesn't? -dave

[2001-06-08 09:09:00] - man.  php is really cool.  i have just started using it and already i think it is cooler than perl.  "the scop of a variable defined inside a function is local by default."  and one line blocks don't need {} like in perl!!!  ~a

[2001-06-08 09:08:00] - jdb: user fees get sticky though. because then you start running into the same problem of people with more money get better services -dave

[2001-06-08 09:08:00] - paul: ha, no. there is no simple answer to poverty. -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:07:00] - i, for one, got all my federal taxes back because i'm paying for college -dave

[2001-06-08 09:07:00] - jdb: Wouldn't you say that welfare is a simple answer to poverty? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:07:00] - paul: i'm in favor of some things being changed into user fees, etc. for example, i like how current toll road systems work (not that i think there should be very many toll roads). -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:06:00] - you know, a lot of us complain about the tax code. but one reason for it being so convoluted is that there are so many ways to get tax credit. like paying for college. -dave

[2001-06-08 09:06:00] - dave: i remember hearing something similar about giving refunds and paying down the debt. we'll see if it happens - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:06:00] - dave: Very little, I know it's big, growing, and is there because of Reagan. That's about it, I don't even know who we owe the debt to -paul

[2001-06-08 09:05:00] - hurray for falling cpu prices! -dave

[2001-06-08 09:05:00] - jdb: "Revamping taxes" How? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:04:00] - paul: i think simple answers overlook lots of things. the end answer can be simple, i suppose. but current "simple solutions" i've seen overlook issues such as class, etc. -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:04:00] - paul: what do you know of paying down the debt? -dave

[2001-06-08 09:03:00] - dewey: so supposedly we have enough money to give this big refund and still pay down the debt. not positive if my statements are correct though. these are just vague memories i'm going on -dave

[2001-06-08 09:03:00] - vinnie: Cool, how about you dewey? -paul

[2001-06-08 09:02:00] - paul: it's not that i don't think that taxes are a problem (yes, i too, am in favor of revamping taxes), but i think there are bigger problems out there, like the national debt. -jdb

[2001-06-08 09:02:00] - http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/antitrust/

[2001-06-08 09:02:00] - dewey: i think plans are in place to pay down most of, if not all of the debt within something like 10 years -dave

[2001-06-08 09:02:00] - national debt: 06/06/2001 $5,669,404,114,473.96 - dewey

[2001-06-08 09:01:00] - i may vote for governor - vinnie

[2001-06-08 09:01:00] - jdb: And I agree that I am worried for future generations since we are passing huge problems on to them -paul

[2001-06-08 09:01:00] - supposedly, the idea is that "something is better than nothing" and that they can complete the program in installments. like improve on it every other year or somesuch -dave

[2001-06-08 09:01:00] - Yeah.  We are they sending us refunds when our national debt is in the 5 trillion range? - dewey

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