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[2002-04-16 12:58:58] - awww man, it cut off JUST the last letter of my name, so I hit enter before I realized it.
- boing[2002-04-16 12:58:32] - I don't think the "feeds the appetite" argument for making laws is valid. If something "should be illegal" because it's wrong (child porn), make it illegal. If it "should be illegal" because it makes people want to do something illegal (arguably, virtual child porn), it should still be legal because we already have the safety net in place. - boin
[2002-04-16 12:34:27] - i bet all those hentai artists are breathing a sigh of relief right now. - mig
[2002-04-16 12:21:01] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59355-2002Apr16.html Virtual Child Porn Law struck down by the Supreme Court -Paul
[2002-04-15 21:34:15] - i pretty much made out with my date at freshman year homecoming (many of you might remember that)... kind of regretted making a spectacle - boing
[2002-04-15 21:33:36] - 9th grade for me - boing
[2002-04-15 21:05:59] - You guys have had your first kisses?
-Paul[2002-04-15 19:07:18] - it varries from person to person. in 8th grade i heard about people in some of my classes having sex but i didn't have my first "kiss" until 13th grade. ~a
[2002-04-15 17:47:15] - when i was in sixth grade, i knew girls who were pregnant. kids are just more vocal about it now. - wolf
[2002-04-15 16:24:11] - what is up with these 7th graders (and below) having sex? i didn't even have my first kiss until 10th grade! :o -kris
[2002-04-15 08:26:16] - http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id={26EF10D4-5D2E-49AC-99E3-916F2DA44F09} Relationships have a negative effect on girls but not on boys a study finds -Paul
[2002-04-15 01:55:35] - ###/pics/download/136.gif
[2002-04-15 00:57:37] - http://www.cs.duke.edu/~mlittman/courses/Archive/cps130-97/lectures/lect11/node25.html#SECTION00043000000000000000
[2002-04-15 00:55:46] - <blink>If this text is blinking, you may be a winner!</blink> -logan
[2002-04-15 00:45:23] - ###/pics/download/135.gif
[2002-04-15 00:32:26] - didn't/don't
[2002-04-15 00:32:10] - no you didn't -cryptic
[2002-04-15 00:10:53] - wah, I want to see how annoying this picture was
- vinnie[2002-04-14 23:36:41] - Heh. -logan
[2002-04-14 23:31:01] - aaah... my eyes thank you -kris
[2002-04-14 23:02:27] - last time i removed a picture, someone (cough josh cough) got really mad and left. ~a
[2002-04-14 22:42:04] - does the poster mind if i remove the images? ~a
[2002-04-14 19:53:32] - http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?d2ep&2801 the massive petition from when 1.08 came out for d2... some of the entries are hilarious. - wolf
[2002-04-14 19:04:38] - I refuse to comment further until that blinking image is gone. -logan
[2002-04-14 17:49:21] - BOOOOOOOOOOO flashes
[2002-04-14 17:42:37] - you can navigate back to the directory it's in to see some more repusively creepy pictures of the most evil looking dolls i have ever seen. - wolf
[2002-04-14 17:40:34] - http://aimeemajor.com/dolls/2/cute.jpg
[2002-04-14 17:17:29] - ggfjsajj .... .seizure.... .dfhhjdjj ... ... . ... . .. .. . .. .
[2002-04-14 16:56:43] - oh wait - boing
[2002-04-14 16:56:37] - i'd be interested in seeing what it looks like when you don't win - boing
[2002-04-14 16:56:16] - wow! amazing that they would develop such a compicated system for rendering the gif depending on whether you are the winner - boing
[2002-04-14 16:18:15] - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27171
[2002-04-14 15:59:23] - jimmy carter
[2002-04-14 15:17:38] - olsen twins
[2002-04-14 15:10:58] - Apache 2!
[2002-04-14 12:39:07] - I highly doubt it... if you don't want to pay for the labor, you do not get the end results of the labor, be it food, a table, or a game -cryptic
[2002-04-14 12:38:08] - do you go out to dinner and claim "Thank you for dinner, but I won't be paying for the work that went into creating my dinner, instead of the $16 you determined your time/work is worth, I will be paying $3, the value of the food" -cryptic
[2002-04-14 12:34:24] - you are not paying for the idea of "warcraft 3" you are paying for the labor that went into creating it, you are paying for the time spent to make it, you are paying for the work done to "perfect" it (although, it's blizzard, I doubt it's perfect) -cryptic
[2002-04-14 12:33:08] - rarely do you pay just for the physical components -cryptic
[2002-04-14 12:31:49] - when I purchase a hand made wooden table, I am not only paying for the wood, but also the labor that goes into making the table.... when I buy a dinner, I am not only paying for the food, but the work in preparing the food and the service of the waiter -cryptic
[2002-04-14 12:30:07] - "Intellectual property, on the other hand, creates scarcity and conflict." Actually, the labor that goes into creating intellectual property is scarce - cryptic
[2002-04-14 12:27:23] - the whole "ha ha, that'll show them!" attitude they might have toward their peers and family gets manifested as a need to "show them" in other areas of their lives. - wolf
[2002-04-14 12:25:13] - i know kids on efnet who like to say "they deserve it!" when they steal software, but it's usually because they get a rush from doing something illegal. - wolf
[2002-04-14 12:24:13] - you danced around with semantics for awhile, but it seems like all your doing is trying to come up with excuses for doing something you've been told to not do. - wolf
[2002-04-14 12:18:05] - logan: you still haven't addressed why you think that stealing something is actually accepting a gift. - wolf
[2002-04-14 11:42:48] - "boo hoo, I don't want to blame my son (or the case of the other people, themselves)..... so it must be the game that does this!!!!" -cryptic
[2002-04-14 11:40:33] - then stop suing someone not responsible -cryptic
[2002-04-14 11:39:53] - "Woolley knows her son had problems beyond EverQuest, and she tried to get him help by contacting a mental health program and trying to get him to live in a group home" -cryptic
[2002-04-14 11:36:09] - http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/04/13/irs.slave.reparations.ap/index.html oops - mig
[2002-04-14 03:55:11] - i am a lord junkie
-kris[2002-04-14 03:45:05] - http://www.dhmo.org/ -logan
[2002-04-14 03:43:50] - Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! -logan
[2002-04-14 03:15:05] - there are about a gazillion things i can think of that are harmful if abused. - mig
[2002-04-14 03:12:21] - "Walsh and Parker both said online games as a whole are not inherently bad, and Walsh compared playing online games to drinking alcohol. Both can be harmful if abused." wow, how incredibly insightful. - mig
[2002-04-14 03:11:30] - http://www.jsonline.com/news/State/mar02/31536.asp video games are narcotics. - mig
[2002-04-14 00:49:33] - It's good that you have a label for it, but can you make any moral claims about it, and back them up? -logan
[2002-04-14 00:44:20] - they ~a
[2002-04-14 00:44:10] - the pirated the game. seems pretty simple to me. ~a
[2002-04-13 23:30:07] - Suppose I legitimately obtain a copy of a Blizzard game and put it in my home directory. Suppose another user on my computer sees this and copies it. What have they done wrong? -logan
[2002-04-13 23:21:32] - Which is fine by me, and how I treat IP rights anyway. The law be damned. -logan
[2002-04-13 23:21:11] - What I would advocate to replace IP rights are contracts (which is already done) -- however, a contract is weaker than an IP right, because a contract only applies to those you contract with, while IP rights apply to everyone globally. -logan
[2002-04-13 23:17:04] - ... flawed communist views on exploitation.'' -logan
[2002-04-13 23:16:50] - Heh, I like this Kinsella quote: ``By focusing on creation and labor, rather than on first occupancy of scarce resources, as the touchstone of property rights, IP advocates are led to place undue stress on the importance of `rewarding' the labor of the creator, much as Adam Smith's flawed labor theory of value led to Marx's even more deeply...
[2002-04-13 23:12:32] - Intellectual property, on the other hand, creates scarcity and conflict. What one can do with one's own property becomes unjustly limited by the presence of IP "rights". -logan
[2002-04-13 23:11:35] - The idea behind property rights is to deal with this scarcity and conflict in a just manner. -logan
[2002-04-13 23:07:05] - The notion of property is grounded in scarcity and conflict; I can't see how this can be applied to ideas. -logan
[2002-04-13 20:31:56] - The responsibility never existed in the first place. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:51:44] - if you write a program, and company A has a use for it, and is knowledgable that you did something they disagree with, are they subsequently not responsible to pay for your program? -cryptic
[2002-04-13 19:47:10] - wolf stated that I had no reason for pirating video games, so I gave mine. It has nothing to do with my argument that IP has no moral basis. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:46:40] - You said "you must pay for it." What did you mean by "must"? Surely I must pay for it if I expect them to remain in business. But can you justify a moral claim? -logan
[2002-04-13 19:41:39] - you are no longer arguing "Intellectual Property do not have property rights" but rather "I hate their actions, thus stealing from them is OK" -cryptic
[2002-04-13 19:40:55] - all i'm getting from this is that you're cranky and spiteful. - wolf
[2002-04-13 19:38:45] - nor do I steal it -cryptic
[2002-04-13 19:38:24] - I do not agree with Blizzard/Vivendi, thus I do not buy their software -cryptic
[2002-04-13 19:36:47] - if you write a program, and company A has a use for it, and is knowledgable that you did something they disagree with, are they subsequently not responsible to pay for your program? -cryptic
[2002-04-13 19:35:07] - logan: No. To use the service (they made the game, a service), you must pay for it. -cryptic
[2002-04-13 19:31:01] - The fact that they are using money earned from people like me to attack perfectly innocent programmers that have done a service to me pisses me off. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:30:23] - I paid for StarCraft when it came out, and I will use it with bnetd if I damn well please. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:28:50] - Just Blizzard/Vivendi. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:28:40] - In general there is nothing else I pirate, because most software developers aren't suing people that are making perfectly legitimate software for free that I find highly useful. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:24:09] - I have a very good reason for pirating Blizzard games in specific, and I have explained them here (and on kuro5hin) already. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:23:46] - But notice how that "should" is hypothetical -- it is implied only by a contingent desire, and thus is not "should" in the morally obligatory sense. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:23:11] - Cryptic: No. I should probably pay for the game if I want the developers of that game to be motivated enough to continue supporting and improving it, as well as create new games. -logan
[2002-04-13 19:20:38] - unless bill roper personally gave you a cracked warcraft 3 iso and told you to share it with everyone you know, you still haven't come up with a good reason for pirating video games. - wolf
[2002-04-13 19:16:40] - being given a present and stealing something are two completely different things. - wolf
[2002-04-13 19:09:57] - "Programming is a service industry." Thus you must pay for a game that was programmed, such as Warcraft 3 -Cryptic
[2002-04-13 18:59:47] - And if they treated you with disrespect, you might even feel justified in going against their claims. -logan
[2002-04-13 18:59:23] - If someone gives you a present, do they have any right to dictate the terms with which you will use it once it is entirely out of their hands? If you respect them, you may cooperate, but you are under no moral obligation to do so. -logan
[2002-04-13 18:58:21] - If an entity charges different prices based on something like location of residence, then it is up to that entity to verify claims of residence. They can easily expel those they catch lying. -logan
[2002-04-13 18:57:35] - What is the relevance of your hypothetical situation? -logan
[2002-04-13 18:56:43] - Programming is a service industry. -logan
[2002-04-13 18:56:35] - wolf: That's bullshit. We pay for non-tangible things all the time. They're called services. If payment is withheld, so are the services. You don't see waitresses copyrighting or patenting their serving style. -logan
[2002-04-13 13:41:05] - I have a plentiful staff of apocalypse. - Henry L. Stimson
[2002-04-13 13:39:44] - TAL RASHA'S ARMOR FOR YOUR SOJ'S /W *REDMAN WITH OFFERS - Alexander Vasilievsky
[2002-04-13 13:38:34] - 2v4 rush zerg no map cheat gogogogogogogo - George C. Marshall
[2002-04-13 13:36:28] - Oh, you kids! - Winston Churchill
[2002-04-13 13:35:30] - Don't blame me; I voted for Stalin - FDR
[2002-04-13 13:32:10] - ti aiuto rubare il gioco dello computer! - mussolini
[2002-04-13 13:29:53] - ich stehle videospiele!!!11111 *schreie* - lil' adolf
[2002-04-13 13:10:01] - waaah! I wanna watch cartoons! sieg heil!!! - adolf
[2002-04-13 12:47:32] - whined, even
[2002-04-13 12:47:26] - paul: i don't think hitler cried and whines because he got caught pirating video games
- wolf[2002-04-13 12:44:20] - wolf: Maybe if you tried comparing him to Hitler.... -Paul
[2002-04-13 12:40:08] - wolf: I don't think comparing Logan to a kid throwing a temper tantrum helps your argument at all -Paul
[2002-04-13 11:50:03] - is this really justified? is it ok for this person to come up with bullshit excuses throughout his/her life in order to justify this criminal activity? - wolf
[2002-04-13 11:48:44] - said person spends the surplus money (several thousand dollars of taxpayer money) on things like expensive dinners, expensive clothing, tattoos, piercings, etc.) but justifies it by claiming that he/she "deserves" it because of things like a bad home life.
[2002-04-13 11:46:56] - pretend that there's a person committing tuition/financial aid fraud (oh, say, using a fake in-state address in order to pay in-state tuition while still recieving out-of-state financial aid that more than covers tuition, room and board).
[2002-04-13 11:44:14] - logan: here's a hypothetical situation --
[2002-04-13 11:40:35] - it seems to me like this is all just some drawn out excuse to justify taking something without paying for it. reminds me of how little kids throw tantrums when they don't want to admit they've done something wrong. - wolf
[2002-04-13 11:22:59] - intellectual property takes resources (labor) just as physical property takes resources. When you purchase something, you are paying for the resources used, which not only includes the cost of the materials, but the cost of production.... should you go into the store and take an item and only pay for the physical components? -cryptic
[2002-04-13 11:20:17] - demand of the item -cryptic
[2002-04-13 11:19:04] - it is based on the total cost/demand that goes into producing the item -cryptic
[2002-04-13 11:18:24] - physical components, that is -cryptic
[2002-04-13 10:58:49] - price, rather
[2002-04-13 10:58:39] - the value of something is rarely based on the selling prove of its components. - wolf
[2002-04-13 10:57:11] - i guess that means programmers should never be paid, because they're not providing us with anything tangible. - wolf
[2002-04-13 10:56:30] - so what do you call digital art? or performance art? or lithographs? or code? or services? etc etc etc. - wolf
[2002-04-12 20:06:04] - Although legally it is justified in a utilitarian manner (not that any utilitarian analysis is ever actually done by the lawmakers and enforcers). -logan
[2002-04-12 20:05:35] - Intellectual property is just a legal fiction created to benefit certain parties. -logan
[2002-04-12 20:05:06] - The notion of intellectual property is not equivalent to tangible property, because tangible property is based entirely on the tangibility of things -- only one person or group can actually possess a physical object at any particular time, while ideas are free from the constraints that make the notion of property necessary in the first place. -loga
[2002-04-12 20:03:57] - The copyright of my website is a legal formality. I am making no moral claims. (not that my web site even exists at the moment) -logan
[2002-04-12 18:34:19] - Sneaking into a movie is trespassing. Stealing cable is something I do not consider theft; and often cable companies deal with it as a way of obtaining more customers. I don't buy that "free-riding" constitutes theft at all. -logan
[2002-04-12 16:12:45] - I agree with cryptic! It's kind of like stealing cable, or sneaking into a movie. - aaron
[2002-04-12 09:35:54] - art is not limited to physical media. if someone does a piece of digital art, there's no real physical object one can "own", yet people could copy it, pass it off as their own, make money off of it, and generally ruin the artist's name. - wolf
[2002-04-12 09:12:36] - "shut up cryptic" was me =Þ -cryptic
[2002-04-12 07:33:10] - bug?
[2002-04-12 01:39:45] - that's constructive - boing
[2002-04-12 01:38:35] - Shut up cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:38:14] - 1
[2002-04-12 01:38:12] - 2
[2002-04-12 01:38:10] - 3
[2002-04-12 01:37:21] - now you explain why it's not "possible to extend the notion of tangible property rights to intellectual property" yet you do so by copyrighting your website -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:34:57] - if you don't want to pay for the service, you cannot reap the benefits -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:34:32] - the thing is you are paying for the scarce, valuable time of the programmers -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:34:01] - screw all these arguments -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:33:18] - grrr
[2002-04-12 01:31:51] - the stipulations are: "1) one must put them to productive use, and 2) that productive use must require exclusive control over them" -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:30:54] - the stipulations are: (1)
[2002-04-12 01:30:38] - the article makes points about what can be defined as property -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:27:35] - or "your" programs -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:27:19] - like "your" website -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:26:56] - but this isn't a philosophical proof, or argument, it only plays on your emotion and base feelings of OWNING things you had CREATED with your mind -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:26:01] - since you'd most likely believe that I had "stolen" your ideas -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:25:24] - but if YOU made the scupture, and I saw it, copied it, and sold it for $5billion dollars, it's doubtful you'd just let that go -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:24:05] - it mentions a sculpture, where the artist owns the sculture via the fact that he owns the clay -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:23:23] - the main problem with the stance taken in the article is that it assumes that the only "thing" that someone can "own" is physical -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:19:15] - I see no logic flaws with my stance by this example, there may exist some fuzzy examples, where my current viewpoint may be tested and as a result reviewed and altered.... but that is not the case here -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:17:50] - but even all this ignores the blatant fact that you yourself do not even practice what you preach -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:17:14] - There are many contradictions and absurd conclusions also made by the article as well... which I don't feel ling getting into right now -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:13:14] - is not arbitrary (until you start speaking of companies, and thus you are forced into a subjective decision) but Warcraft III isn't even out, and thus is not subject to this "sebjectivity" -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:12:00] - saying the length of protection is the lifetime of the author -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:11:30] - while it is true that saying "20 years is the perfect amount of time for a patent", or "75 years after the death of the author for a copyright" -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:09:55] - and even if that is a very fizzy line as suggested, what we were talking about (blizzard's game) is not even close to the "subjective line" -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:09:01] - it is not arbitrary in deciding "original thoughts" as opposed to "natural laws" being able to be considered intellectual property -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:08:05] - about the article, it makes many absurd assumptions about the idea of "natural rights" -cryptic
[2002-04-12 01:05:44] - That's a nice annoying post... -cryptic
[2002-04-11 20:12:03] - /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531
[2002-04-11 20:09:55] - grrrr.... nimda is still around trying to break my webserver. stupid morons. - mig
[2002-04-11 19:36:42] - i used to own disagreewithdave.com, but somehow lost it due to registering through one of those cheap, shady places. - wolf
[2002-04-11 17:55:47] - musopyrohydranonophobia - fear of fire-breathing, nine-headed mice - wolf
[2002-04-11 17:55:26] - aquaalektorophobia: fear of submersible chickens - wolf
[2002-04-11 17:54:22] - http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz.htm - wolf
[2002-04-11 15:41:35] - #225 is a bit... strange. I wonder if it was really written before september 11th! Some coincedence - aaron
[2002-04-11 15:35:20] - I loved #7. "ARGH now I am nut myself on the rail" - aaron
[2002-04-11 15:34:06] - i like #9 - mig
[2002-04-11 15:09:44] - and you though pokey was poorly drawn and inane: http://www.crapcomix.com/ - boing
[2002-04-11 14:41:26] - cryptic: That article also refutes the natural rights approach, which you seem to be taking. -logan
[2002-04-11 13:51:53] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=581&e=8&cid=581&u=/nm/20020410/tc_nm/tech_copyright_gateway_dc_1 - mig
[2002-04-11 13:19:59] - ah! too much christian propaganda on the message board! *goes to bash her head against the wall* - aba
[2002-04-11 12:27:37] - a: I don't hate John -Paul
[2002-04-11 11:15:32] - even more "i agree"'s http://staff2.uscm.org/lx/issues/2001/02/iagree.asp
[2002-04-11 11:13:02] - "do you agree with?" info pack http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://www.pacificsouthwestregion.org/Do_You_Agree/Iagreeinfopack.pdf
[2002-04-11 11:10:11] - i agree with eric http://gainesvillesun.com/articles/2001-02-23d.shtml
[2002-04-11 11:09:40] - i agree with sam http://www.boundless.org/2001/departments/campus_culture/a0000523.html
[2002-04-11 11:08:16] - i agree with ike http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.iagreewithike.com
[2002-04-11 11:03:28] - i agree with mark http://www.dailyillini.com/nov00/nov01/opinions/col02.shtml
[2002-04-11 11:01:15] - definitely
[2002-04-11 09:30:11] - well then they need to be warned!
[2002-04-11 08:06:50] - don't get too excited--i'm sure this is at another university, not vt
[2002-04-11 02:43:46] - "post your opinions on the who this guy is and what your suppose to be agreeing with" i like how we are told who we are supposed to be agreeing with and how there are (by my count: keep in mind i suck at grammar) THREE grammar errors in one sentence. ~a
[2002-04-11 01:48:24] - no one agrees with john! go away john! everybody hates you! ~a
[2002-04-11 01:47:54] - chmod +x gun
[2002-04-11 01:25:46] - uggg... that's gross -cryptic
[2002-04-11 01:15:30] - http://www.iagreewith.com dammit, not again
[2002-04-11 01:12:08] - "stolen" byme
[2002-04-11 01:04:50] - @@@/me/tc.png ~a
[2002-04-11 00:34:45] - copyright enforcement assumes something belongs to someone, and has be "taken" or "stolen", and so you agree with me... and it was not a misnomer -cryptic
[2002-04-11 00:21:41] - i have no problem with copyright enforcement. the problem comes when the redudant EULAs come into the picture. - mig
[2002-04-11 00:17:05] - well, of course it doesn't apply to his web site, because [insert more clumsy backpedaling here] - wolf
[2002-04-11 00:09:11] - ahahahahhahaahahhahahahahahaahha
[2002-04-11 00:07:29] - The best is the copyright on his website -cryptic
[2002-04-11 00:05:07] - no way, cryptic, because PIRACY RULEZ!!!111 HAXOR 4EVER!111 - wolf
[2002-04-10 23:58:17] - yes, I'm aware it becomes fuzzy in the middle, but with something like the "intellectual property" of blizzard (being the game) it is more clear cut. They developed the game, to "use" it, you must give them $50 and must not share it with others (and some other crap in their EULA) if you don't agree, you cannot use it -cryptic
[2002-04-10 23:56:33] - work goes into creating "intellectual property", the same in creating "physical property" -cryptic
[2002-04-10 23:55:06] - if you happen to accidentally create a "game" exactly like the "game" created by blizzard, I would love to see it.... it would be interesting to know how you programmed exactly the same as them without the source code in front of you to copy -cryptic
[2002-04-10 23:55:02] - i've had people download art from my web site, photoshop my signature out, write theirs' in, and then distribute it as their own. i', not going to sit back and say "GOOD FOR TEHM!111 PIRACY RULEZ!111 l33t hAX0R !111" etc. - wolf
[2002-04-10 23:53:39] - chances are, you did not get the "item" from me, and someone else has broken our agreement, but with your knowledge, you are aware that you are distributing/sharing/whatever my "property" without my permission -cryptic
[2002-04-10 23:52:08] - if I come up with a "tool", a "game", etc. and stipulate you can use it if you pay me $50 and cannot give it to anyone else and only copy it for your own back-up purposes, it is my "right" to my "intellectual property", and by sharing it, you have violated that agreement -cryptic
[2002-04-10 23:51:08] - that's easy for a person to say when he or she doesn't produce intellectual property for a living. - wolf
[2002-04-10 23:50:08] - The problem is: that article refutes the utilitarian approaches, I could care less if it promotes the increase of "good" -cryptic
[2002-04-10 19:17:44] - I don't think it's possible to extend the notion of tangible property rights to intellectual property without introducing a lot of absurdities (a few of which this article discusses). -logan
[2002-04-10 19:16:51] - An excellent critique of intellectual property by Stephan Kinsella, which more or less summarizes most of my opinion: http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/15_2/15_2_1.pdf -logan
[2002-04-10 18:25:21] - germans love david hasselhoff! - aba
[2002-04-10 18:18:13] - belief-omatic
[2002-04-10 17:04:20] - http://www.hellonetwork.com/demo/toysclub/video.asp?speed=hook300
[2002-04-10 15:10:10] - http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2185 1.0 is coming! 1.0 is coming! .... soon. - mig
[2002-04-10 12:08:55] - i'd register to vote in bburg, but my loyalties lie elsewhere. - wolf
[2002-04-10 11:26:59] - my example does not exactly replicate this instance of stealing, since the "pirate" does not claim the work as his own, but the principle "taking without permission" or "copying without permission" is still inherently implied by "pirating" -cryptic
[2002-04-10 11:23:36] - in the context I am using "taken" and "stolen", it is not a misnomer, it is a correct application of the terms... maybe we should define all words before talking? =Þ (note: sarcasm) -cryptic
[2002-04-10 11:22:19] - if I "take" my essay from a book, I have "stolen" someone else's work -cryptic
[2002-04-10 11:21:54] - mig: there are too many definitions of taken, one of which is "To acquire possession", another "To obtain from a source" -cryptic
[2002-04-10 11:00:08] - http://www.carolmoore.net/4secretary/secession.html Libertarian Secession Strategy -Paul
[2002-04-10 10:15:51] - and now i can vote in the may 7 town council elective for that libertarian guy...hehe -kris
[2002-04-10 10:13:37] - particularly since i've recently decided to live here another two years
-kris[2002-04-10 10:00:12] - oh, one of my old residents is doing some campaign to get students to register here.. and i thought, "yeah, i should do that" -kris
[2002-04-10 09:41:33] - kris: yah, but youve lived in bburg for a long time. i was wondering if there was a special reason why you switched now. - aba
[2002-04-10 09:13:17] - s/night/not/
[2002-04-10 09:13:01] - cryptic: but it is not taken. it's duplicated. i'm night going to argue whether it's right or not. but calling it stealing is a misnomer. - mig
[2002-04-10 09:11:03] - aba: if you hadn't noticed, i live in bburg
-kris[2002-04-10 08:36:19] - for something to be stolen, something must be taken without the permission of the owner -cryptic
[2002-04-10 08:35:35] - for something to be stolen, "the original object" does not have to be lost -cryptic
[2002-04-10 08:33:30] - why don't you just pirate every piece of software and put it up on a website for the world to download? -cryptic
[2002-04-10 08:30:42] - while you don't think people have rights over their own work, our governement (even with it's many flaws) has made stealing "intellectual property" illegal -cryptic
[2002-04-09 23:58:17] - http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin.shtml for more info on heroin. - aba
[2002-04-09 23:58:04] - afghanistan produces a lot of heroin, which is an opiate. i think thats why the % is so high. - aba
[2002-04-09 23:49:24] - afghanistan was 70% of the world's supply of opium? i thought that was a chinese thing? - mig
[2002-04-09 23:45:51] - kris: why did you switch to bburg? - aba
[2002-04-09 23:33:19] - boing: you are certainly no saint, and i can personally attest to that
- mig[2002-04-09 23:32:33] - in order for something to be stolen, the owner must lose the original object. in order for your analogy to make sense, a copy of jedi knight 2 would have to disappear from the shelves everytime someone downloaded the iso from the net. as far as i know that doesn't happen. - mig
[2002-04-09 23:23:23] - As long as there's no law about retaking what is stolen from you by force, we don't need laws against stealing anyway.
-logan[2002-04-09 23:19:02] - I don't see piracy as theft, so I don't see it as wrong. What is it that is being stolen? -logan
[2002-04-09 21:40:28] - i am now a blacksburg voter! -kris
[2002-04-09 21:31:58] - go ahead and break all the inane laws like "blacks have to sit in the back".... but it's easily arguable that laws against stealing are not inane -cryptic
[2002-04-09 21:30:01] - I don't like ford recalling cars, so I'm going to go steal one to make them change their policies -cryptic
[2002-04-09 21:27:48] - "I don't like logan's policy with his work, so I'm going to go steal some of it" -cryptic
[2002-04-09 21:27:06] - justify it to yourself as you may, it's still wrong. -cryptic
[2002-04-09 21:26:28] - Your not buying a Blizzard product is not noticed, yet the solution would be to try to get others not to buy.... rather than to steal -cryptic
[2002-04-09 20:54:32] - logan: rumor has it that you've had a run-in with blizzard in the past. - wolf
[2002-04-09 19:35:08] - boing: My not buying a Blizzard product is not noticed. My assisting others in not buying a Blizzard product may be.
-logan[2002-04-09 18:29:36] - when blizzard released patch 1.08 for diablo 2, the threats of boycott combined with the mass cancellation of lod preorders forced them to modify the patch. - wolf
[2002-04-09 17:41:23] - i think it's wrong. but in all honesty, i think blizzard deserves it. - mig
[2002-04-09 16:46:08] - I do think blizzard is wrong in going after bnetd though. I think more people use it who have bought the game than those who haven't, and I CERTAINLY don't think they violated a copyright or stole blizzard code - boing
[2002-04-09 16:43:19] - I don't justify the times I pirate things by that kind of reasoning. if my motivation was to get them to stop going after projects like bnetd, I would go about it by not buying their products, without having an effect on whether I pirated or not - boing
[2002-04-09 16:41:28] - logan: while I know I'm no saint when it comes to these issues, I don't think that arguing in favor of piracy as means of protest of a company's behavior is valid - boing
[2002-04-09 16:39:21] - and that's where the money for business software companies really comes from. but game software isn't bought by businesses. when it's pirated, there's no silver lining for the company - boing
[2002-04-09 16:37:59] - With business/productivity/etc software, if a person pirates software it does end up being good, since the person who pirates it gets used to that software, and encourages their employer to buy real licenses - boing
[2002-04-09 16:35:59] - It's partially that it's a misnomer. They didn't have the money in the first place, what they're losing is potential money. But I can see how that would be hard on, say, a gaming company. - boing
[2002-04-09 15:16:50] - wow. yale is cool. they are reimbursing students who got screwed by bush's "lose financial aid for doing drugs" law. - mig
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