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[2005-09-30 11:25:56] - a: but at the same time it's not a blanket thing, since obviously, if what "everyone considers to be good" is something that it says somewhere not to do, then you're probably not supposed to do it -dave
[2005-09-30 11:24:40] - in my interpretation of course. ~a
[2005-09-30 11:22:10] - paul: i disagree. the answer is 'yes' to most/all of them. "Try to do what everyone considers to be good." i think that's the clincher. in a friendly game of poker, everybody would consider some friendly focused competition to be "good". calling the cops when somebody was raped / something was stolen would be the "good" thing to do. ~a
[2005-09-30 11:19:31] - Paul: like 'revenge' is a very motive based thing. Like if some bully beats you up every day on the playground, and then one day you fight back so that he won't do it anymore, that could be revenge, or it could just be self-preservation -dave
[2005-09-30 11:18:10] - Paul: right, it's open to interpretation, which is my point -dave
[2005-09-30 11:14:26] - Dave: Actually, I think my interpretation of that means the answer would be 'no' for some of those. -Paul
[2005-09-30 11:10:47] - sam: or what if terrorists blow up the white house, do we not hunt them down? -dave
[2005-09-30 11:09:37] - sam: or what if someone breaks into your apt and steals your stuff, do you not call the cops? -dave
[2005-09-30 11:08:41] - sam: or how about if you're playing poker and someone beats you for a lot of money, does that mean you shouldn't try to beat him in a later hand? -dave
[2005-09-30 11:07:05] - sam: everyone draws lines though. Does that mean you wouldn't press charges against someone who raped your mother? Or how about playing a video game where you're killing people? -dave
[2005-09-30 10:53:55] - dave: Rom 12:17-19 "17 If someone has done you wrong, do not repay him with a wrong. Try to do what everyone considers to be good. 18 Do everything possible on your part to live in peace with everybody. 19 Never take revenge, my friends, but instead let God’s anger do it." -sam
[2005-09-30 10:51:31] - dave: Mat 5:38-41 (Jesus) "38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But now I tell you: do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, let him slap your left cheek too." -sam
[2005-09-30 10:11:04] - german is such a funny language. ~a
[2005-09-30 10:03:27] - handschuhschneeballwerfer -- it's all one word and its literal meaning is "one who wears gloves to throw snowballs" -- it is used to mean "coward" in German. It is my new favorite word .D -amy
[2005-09-30 09:54:26] - Pierce: http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR503&class=Receiver&p=i I think this is the receiver I got, although I'm not 100% sure. I can check when I get home. If it's the receiver I got, then it's supposed to do component video (although I'm not using it on mine right now). -Paul
[2005-09-30 09:53:37] - Pierce: There is also a 150 watt version if you desire more power. -Paul
[2005-09-30 09:53:13] - Pierce: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002KRALA/qid=1128088280/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-4046893-7326416?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846 That is the subwoofer I got, it seemed to be highly recommended on ArsTechnica as a good value subwoofer. -Paul
[2005-09-30 09:51:12] - Pierce: I commend your choice of speakers. From what I've heard, that was a good choice. -Paul
[2005-09-30 08:51:33] - dave: regarding the nra ... now that's just sad for republicans. - mig
[2005-09-30 08:38:27] - http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050929_125919.html DARPA Grand Challenge Day 1 results. Apparently the VA Tech team failed -dave
[2005-09-30 08:30:28] - who to use -dave
[2005-09-30 08:30:15] - I guess I can see why they'd be upset, but it seems rather silly to me, to tell another religion who they use to try to convert other people -dave
[2005-09-30 08:29:35] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/29/southern.baptists.ap/index.html Jews upset at Southern Baptists for trying to use converted Jews to convert other Jews -dave
[2005-09-30 08:26:34] - some of the potential ramifications for that seem frightening, but then I'm wondering, we've had several of these "frightening" patent things before, yes? Did they end up really changing anything? -dave
[2005-09-30 08:25:49] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050929-5367.html USPTO upholds Eolas' embedded web app patent -dave
[2005-09-30 08:22:30] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050929-5366.html Blu-Ray fires back at HD-DVD, but it doesn't seem as if they actually refute any of the drawbacks MS states in its reasons for going with HD-DVD -dave
[2005-09-30 08:16:21] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2176241 T.O. championship ring sold to support Katrina aid, goes for 48k -dave
[2005-09-30 08:14:14] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/29/AR2005092902302.html DirecTV customers can now tune in to XM channels -dave
[2005-09-30 08:13:19] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/29/AR2005092902186.html NRA back dem over repub for attorney general -dave
[2005-09-30 03:12:20] - I ordered a set of five speakers for a new home theater setup I'm doing... any recommendations on subwoofers or receivers? Bonus if the receiver does component video as well. - pierce
[2005-09-29 23:56:49] - aba: Trying to send a message to the WOW players here?
-Paul[2005-09-29 20:02:52] - http://craphound.com/images/wowdanddad.jpg - aba
[2005-09-29 18:00:29] - iPod Flea! Hillarious! http://gprime.net/video.php/ipodflea -sam
[2005-09-29 16:16:53] - Dave: Huh? -Paul
[2005-09-29 16:14:20] - Paul: so there are times when you're not and still give those verbal jabs? -dave
[2005-09-29 16:13:56] - Paul: although, if you think about it, I guess asian culture is much more feminine then ^_^ them asians and their long-term revenge plots -dave
[2005-09-29 16:13:33] - Dave: Well, if I'm trying to annoy somebody then I enjoy it.
-paul[2005-09-29 16:13:13] - Paul: yeah, I guess you could put it that way too -dave
[2005-09-29 16:12:51] - Dave: I prefer to think of us as simple. We could do all this crazy plotting, but why bother?
-Paul[2005-09-29 16:12:29] - Paul: you really don't enjoy it? how odd -dave
[2005-09-29 16:12:08] - Dave: I wouldn't necessarily say I enjoy it, I just can't seem to avoid it.
-Paul[2005-09-29 16:10:50] - amy: well, some guys can be like that I guess, but most aren't. I think it's because guys in general are laid back, stupid, and socially inept. So like if a guy got annoyed, instead of plotting tons of junk, he'd just hit the person -dave
[2005-09-29 16:08:40] - dave: guys don't have those kinds of problems though? .) i mean, i guess "they" say that in general, girls are more catty and meaner, but i'm curious what your experience is. -amy
[2005-09-29 16:08:29] - Paul: well, not exactly that, but like to get reactions from people when you're in a group rather -dave
[2005-09-29 16:07:38] - Paul: I see. I guess it's hard for me to tell since you seem to enjoy verbally annoying people in general -dave
[2005-09-29 16:06:28] - Dave: Usually it's just some sort of wordplay, though. Not very often does it involve doing anything really concrete. -Paul
[2005-09-29 16:05:02] - Dave: Tons of little things that people have probably thought I was just being strange/a jerk about without realizing it was a subtle attempt at revenge. -Paul
[2005-09-29 16:04:42] - amy: errr, both my sisters, not both little sisters -dave
[2005-09-29 16:04:32] - amy: I remember both my little sisters going through HS, very surprising how nasty and vindictive some girls can be at that age -dave
[2005-09-29 16:04:03] - amy: ^_^ -dave
[2005-09-29 16:01:54] - dave: heh, i guess i'm glad too, because i can't recall being in any of those... oh no, actually, i can think of one such situation .p but mostly i got away without petty conflict, so hooray. -amy
[2005-09-29 16:01:11] - a: <shrug> lack of a better term to describe it -dave
[2005-09-29 16:00:51] - Paul: out of curiosity, I know how you theoretically feel about revenge, but have you ever actually done something to someone in revenge? -dave
[2005-09-29 16:00:18] - in-fighting? ~a
[2005-09-29 15:59:17] - amy: well I'm glad. There are plenty of girls who will do horrible things to each other - like all that HS / College in-fighting stuff -dave
[2005-09-29 15:57:48] - dave: yeah... i am trying to think of an instance where i might be driven to do that, but i can't think of one... generally i think i am not like that. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:55:18] - amy: or take a mild example, like if I'm playing a game with some people, and some stranger does something nasty to a friend of mine in the game, I'll go out of my way to do something nasty back -dave
[2005-09-29 15:55:13] - dave: re: insulting vinnie and i was around -- obv i can't predict 100% what i'd do, but i think i'd point it out in an effort to get them to stop, rather than say unneccessarily mean things just to hurt them in return. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:53:55] - dave: but hmm, i have thought about it. just never taken the action. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:53:20] - amy: no I agree, I'm quite passive when it comes to things done to me, but if things are done to my friends or family, it's a very different thing -dave
[2005-09-29 15:51:49] - dave: if someone did something bad to me, i think the most i'd do is complain about them to my friends and probably give my friends a bad opinion of them that way... but i'm really not vindictive in that situation. i can actually think of some times where i could have lashed out in return for something somebody did to me, and i didn't take the opportunity. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:51:18] - amy: well, that's somewhere you and I probably differ then. If someone hurt one of my good friends, or one of my family members, I might do something nasty -dave
[2005-09-29 15:50:30] - amy: like what if someone was constantly insulting vinnie when you were around, you wouldn't point out any of their own deficiencies? -dave
[2005-09-29 15:50:21] - dave: if someone hurt one of my good friends i'd sympathize with the friend, but i don't think it's my place to get any more involved than prob not to associate with that person anymore. i would not go out of my way to do anything to that person, i don't think. that is really between the friend and that person. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:48:57] - amy: or what about if someone hurt one of your good friends deeply, you wouldn't do anything then either? -dave
[2005-09-29 15:48:22] - amy: so if someone hurt you deeply, like say if someone stole your bf from you, then you wouldn't do anything to make things difficult for them? -dave
[2005-09-29 15:46:58] - but i was wondering what other peoples' feelings were on the issue. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:46:37] - i don't believe i get any satisfaction out of revenge, but i can't think of any specific instances where i had or took the opportunity. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:45:06] - dave: personally i hate to cause suffering to others and (as i understand myself) would only knowingly do it 1. for disciplinary reasons (e.g. a child or pet) or 2. because it was the best option (e.g. breaking up with a bf i was no longer interested in.) -amy
[2005-09-29 15:44:25] - Dave: I'm all about the payback.
You know the line from firefly, "Well, any friend of Inara's is a strictly businesslike relationship of mine."? That was great. -Paul[2005-09-29 15:43:28] - amy: I think most people would get satisfaction out of it, to a certain extent -dave
[2005-09-29 15:42:56] - amy: heh heh, I don't know, would you? -dave
[2005-09-29 15:42:33] - Paul: it was not meant as an insult - it just occurred to me that that sentiment is one of those things that you hold near and dear to yourself ^_^ -dave
[2005-09-29 15:40:53] - amy: would you get any satisfaction from soaking a cat who did understand why you were doing it, just to watch it suffer, since it caused you to suffer? -amy
[2005-09-29 15:39:30] - Dave: I'm not sure if I should be offended or not.
-Paul[2005-09-29 15:39:08] - Paul: what a very 'Paul' sentiment ^_^ -dave
[2005-09-29 15:38:18] - amy: well I didn't read the article, but in general I don't think I would -dave
[2005-09-29 15:37:30] - Amy: I'm all for revenge, but it's a lot more satisfying if the person you're taking revenge on understands it. Otherwise it's empty to the point of almost being meaningless. -Paul
[2005-09-29 15:37:02] - dave: well that's what i was asking, what is your (or anyone else who wants to join the discussion) opinion? would you punish the cat for something it couldn't understand or learn from, because it ruined your day? -amy
[2005-09-29 15:35:57] - amy: I believe christianity's perspective is that you don't deserve to punish them -dave
[2005-09-29 15:34:21] - amy: I think it's very relative - it probably vastly depends on a person's sense of morals / ethics -dave
[2005-09-29 15:33:58] - well actually, i guess that's two different questions. 1. does the universe deserve to punish them and 2. do we deserve to punish them. -amy
[2005-09-29 15:33:18] - dave: i suppose, but karma is less proactive, as i understand it. should we take "karma" into our own hands? if somebody causes us suffering, are we entitled to return it? -amy
[2005-09-29 15:31:33] - amy: like karma eh? ^_^ -dave
[2005-09-29 15:28:07] - i.e. do people who do wrong deserve to suffer for the sake of suffering, besides to correct the bad behavior? -amy
[2005-09-29 15:27:13] - "The time had long passed since she had performed her action, so the punishment was going to be pointless, but hell, she was being a fucking pain, she deserved to suffer a bit" do you think people (or animals) should be made to suffer for their wrongdoings, if the punishment has no value in correcting the behavior? -amy
[2005-09-29 15:26:08] - dave: such a great quote "When I was CEO of a small computer security start-up we didn't have a Windows system administrator. All of the employees who wanted to run Windows had to know how to install it and manage it themselves, or they didn't get hired in the first place." ~a
[2005-09-29 15:16:00] - http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/34709834/m/384008655731 Heh, I think the people of Ars just get totally bent out of shape whenever anything happens to an animal. -Paul
[2005-09-29 15:01:14] - Dave: I think the DeLay story is still frontpage news on WashingtonPost.com -Paul
[2005-09-29 14:42:39] - a: I think both washpost and cnn had stuff about delay on the frontpage either yesterday or earlier today, but not anymore -dave
[2005-09-29 13:51:19] - http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ 6 dumbest ideas in computer security. Quite a good read -dave
[2005-09-29 13:40:55] - a: I don't know, then. I took a brief look at CNN's page and it looks like they actually don't have a lot of different big stories on their front page compared to most other places. -Paul
[2005-09-29 13:35:33] - mel: so you did buy that car? hybrid? - vinnie
[2005-09-29 13:22:02] - colorado parents burn books ~a
[2005-09-29 13:21:23] - paul: wikinews has it as their top story. i figured out of the 100 stories that cnn has, at least one of them would say something about delay. ~a
[2005-09-29 13:15:43] - a: Maybe they don't consider it big news compared to everything else that is going on? -Paul
[2005-09-29 13:12:51] - how come cnn doesn't have anything about delay? like it has something down on their "partners" section, but i don't see any regular news article on their front page about him. ~a
[2005-09-29 13:07:32] - yay! ~a
[2005-09-29 13:03:34] - "John Roberts was today confirmed as the 17th US chief justice, an appointment that could set the tone of the supreme court for more than a generation." -sam
[2005-09-29 12:28:24] - well i was in sanfran in july
~a[2005-09-29 12:28:15] - a: ok, I have to go. talk to you later. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:27:35] - a: well let me know if you are ever in the LA area for any reason. Since I have my own car now, even if you are far we could meet someplace half way. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:25:55] - yes, i do! but i doubt i'll be going back to the jpl. i taught the training i was there to teach and mostly the people who were there end up traveling to other sites where i can meet with them (although i'm mostly off of that project now). ~a
[2005-09-29 12:25:14] - a: we are behind on our project so my message board time is limited. but I definitely want to know if you are at JPL again -mel
[2005-09-29 12:24:11] - a: ok so you have my e-mail now, right? -mel
[2005-09-29 12:23:24] - a: I'll be in NoVa. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:22:59] - a: I'll ne on NoVa for Thanksgiving and Christmas. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:22:42] - a: yeah, that's what I figured. Well I never really travel other than to see my family. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:21:23] - thanks for the offer though. ~a
[2005-09-29 12:21:03] - mel: usually when i go on travel, i get a rental car. ~a
[2005-09-29 12:21:01] - a: Dave Grogan was around here looking at graduate schools a few months ago and we drove around LA. It was fun. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:18:53] - a: haha. well I just bought a new car so my mobility has improved a lot in the past month. Next time I could probably even pick you up out of LAX if you don't already have someone doing that. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:17:43] - a: yeah, let me know next time. I have been here about a year and half now so I can give a decent tour. We also have some cool hardware/software I could show you in my building. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:17:42] - i was in some crappy mobile home on the very top of the freakin' steep hill. ~a
[2005-09-29 12:16:43] - "[6-14-2005 12:26:16a] - mel: i'm coming to the jpl tomorrow. will you be there? ~a" ~a
[2005-09-29 12:16:08] - i also mentioned it on the message board, but you weren't reading back then. ~a
[2005-09-29 12:15:54] - mel: i'll tell you next time
i actually found your email address (in the registry at the front desk) on the third day i was there, but the first two days i was pretty much swamped. ~a[2005-09-29 12:14:12] - a: next time, please tell me if you are ever in the LA area. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:13:30] - a: seriously, what the f? I waould have liked to show you around my building. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:13:05] - a: what?? And you didn't tell me?? I am so offended.
-mel[2005-09-29 12:12:44] - mel's back. yay! mel, did i tell you i went to the jpl? ~a
[2005-09-29 12:11:50] - pierce: I am jealous of your vacation. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:11:09] - pierce: yay, thanks. Wow I missed a lot. -mel
[2005-09-29 12:09:03] - *** pierce shakes fist at Adrian.
[2005-09-29 12:05:50] - pierce: yay, now we can send the url to your coworkers. ~a
[2005-09-29 12:01:39] - just so you guys know, I've taken down the login/password on my journal. - pierce
[2005-09-29 11:41:14] - from the bench story: "a parks spokesman told the Daily News that the department hoped police would use some common sense when enforcing the rule." Don't pass an explicitly-worded law if you don't want it enforced explicitly. Morons. - pierce
[2005-09-29 11:40:30] - Paul: no, metafilter. - pierce
[2005-09-29 11:23:02] - a: I don't think so. -Paul
[2005-09-29 11:22:45] - Pierce: Did you get that from Ars Technica? -Paul
[2005-09-29 11:19:40] - did anybody know Long Nguyen (graduated with us at vt, 2003 spring)? ~a
[2005-09-29 10:43:04] - anon: i'm guessing it'll get dropped. ~a
[2005-09-29 10:42:50] - anon: that's just the maximum. what's her actual fine/jail time? ~a
[2005-09-29 10:07:40] - Sam: I ordered the tickets through Fandango because I don't know any other place through which you can buy tickets for that theater. -Paul
[2005-09-29 10:07:20] - Sam: I might read a couple pages of it, but that's a little long for my liking.
-Paul[2005-09-29 09:55:26] - paul: what website did you order the movie tickets from? -sam
[2005-09-29 09:43:04] - paul: 9 pages, 1557 words. -sam
[2005-09-29 09:31:04] - When she said no, they gave her a ticket that could bring a one thousand dollar fine and 90 days in jail.
[2005-09-29 09:28:55] - http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=3480711 woman in new york city ticketed for sitting on a bench without a child. - mig
[2005-09-29 09:08:01] - aba: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/26/frist.stocksale.ap/index.html this seems to backup what you said -dave
[2005-09-29 09:05:08] - i have to run to class! good luck figuring out who is right.
- aba[2005-09-29 09:03:46] - dave: the stock was for some for-profit hospitals, and he is deeply involved in health care legislation. the senate ethics committee gave him permission to hold onto the stock (he has had it since like 1990) and he conveniently dumped it right before it lost value. he also said he was dumping it due to the conflict of interest stuff. very weird. - aba
[2005-09-29 09:02:54] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/28/delay/index.html "conspiring to illegally funnel corporate cash to state Republicans in 2002" -dave
[2005-09-29 09:02:05] - mig: really? I read that it was for allocating / giving funds illegally to some repubs in 2002 -dave
[2005-09-29 09:01:37] - aba: the stuff was already in some sort of trust that was legal from what I understand - but he wanted to make positive there was no apparently conflict of interest, so he started looking into selling it -dave
[2005-09-29 09:01:26] - dave: delay is being indicted for violating the anti-freedom of speech act. - mig
[2005-09-29 09:00:14] - aba: ahhh, what I read in washpost was that he got legal advice on whether it was ok for him to sell the stuff 3-months in advance. then when they got back to him he sold it, and then the stock went down -dave
[2005-09-29 08:59:46] - delay is the one who is being indicted and had to step down as majority leader. - aba
[2005-09-29 08:59:21] - mig: hmm, methinks you may be right that I"m confusing people -dave
[2005-09-29 08:58:51] - a: apparently windows was the underdog in the server market until recently. http://www.financialexpress.com/latest_full_story.php?content_id=92229 -dave
[2005-09-29 08:58:50] - dave: i think the shady thing about frist is that he got special permission saying that it was ok to hold onto the stock, and then sold it right before the stock took a big downturn. he might be totally innocent, but it does look mighty suspicious and i do think it is grounds for investigation.... - aba
[2005-09-29 08:57:20] - dave: and yeah i've noticed that about the newer end cards, i couldn't find any AGP versions of the higher end cards. - mig
[2005-09-29 08:56:33] - dave: aren't you talking about tom delay? - mig
[2005-09-29 08:55:50] - a: yeah, linux is definitely a force in the server arena, but windows is like 95% of the desktop market, from what I've read -dave
[2005-09-29 08:38:55] - PCI-E is wonderful stuff! -- Xpovos
[2005-09-29 08:22:12] - *** dave is confused
[2005-09-29 08:22:06] - hmmm, i'm confused. i just read another article, and it says his indictment has nothing at all to do with the stock sale -dave
[2005-09-29 08:14:49] - I mean, he asked his staff and other legal advisors to look into whether he could sell it 3 months before he sold it (and the stock went down). All this of course is assuming that the articles I read have been correct -dave
[2005-09-29 08:13:59] - bleh, I'm thoroughly sick of politics. Maybe it's just cuz my party is in power so they're the ones who are getting beat on, but it's sad that Frist is getting all this flack, when he apparently sold the stock to try to remove any doubt that he was doing something shady. -dave
[2005-09-29 07:53:41] - mig: apparently the 6800GT is 200-330ish -dave
[2005-09-29 07:51:07] - mig: and I believe most cards are pci-e now - it's harder (and actually more expensive now) to find agp -dave
[2005-09-29 07:50:37] - mig: apparently XFX has an overclocked 7800GT that does well http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2519&p=1 -dave
[2005-09-29 07:49:55] - mig: how much is too much? Right now nVidia's high-end is better than ATI. 7800GT is like 400 and 7800GTX is like 500 -dave
[2005-09-29 01:03:35] - http://www.ps260.com/molly/SHINING%20FINAL.mov hahahaha, this movie looks awesome. - pierce
[2005-09-28 23:06:34] - dave: know much about any of the pci-e cards that are out? any that you would recommend. price as long as it isn't outrageous, is not a factor. - mig
[2005-09-28 22:49:45] - Sam: How long is it? -Paul
[2005-09-28 19:08:56] - not me.
~a[2005-09-28 19:02:03] - does anyone want to read it? -sam
[2005-09-28 18:59:25] - actually, i wrote a paper on linux vs. windows in my technical writing class at tech
-sam[2005-09-28 18:53:39] - ... and more hackers will try to program malicious programs for linux. -sam
[2005-09-28 18:52:51] - i think it's all about popularity... if more people use linux, there will be more hardware and sofware available. -sam
[2005-09-28 18:51:31] - Linux is a great OS. I used to use RedHat9 with KDE desktop environment (I prefer KDE over Gnome). Unfortunately, not many people use Linux, therefore, there aren't that many useful hardware and software for Linux... -sam
[2005-09-28 18:24:27] - *** Paul wonders who Adrian is talking to
[2005-09-28 18:23:08] - paul: sorry. my fault. s/linux sucks/nobody uses linux/ ~a
[2005-09-28 18:22:40] - and don't think that it won't affect you. don't think that just because servers use it means that you won't need to get your hands dirty with linux. if you wanted to get a job at a company like google or livejournal (company is called sixapart) then you'd need to know how to administer linux or something simmilar. ~a
[2005-09-28 18:22:31] - a: Odd, I don't recall seeing anybody here saying that Linux sucks... -Paul
[2005-09-28 18:20:08] - paul: i use windows very often. i'm not claiming windows sucks. i'm just claiming bsd/linux has much to offer. ~a
[2005-09-28 18:19:11] - a: Everytime to talk to me on AIM, you're using windows.
-Paul[2005-09-28 18:17:47] - if linux sucked as much as you assume, then all of the above wouldn't have been developed/deployed using linux. ~a
[2005-09-28 18:15:52] - every time you use google, gmail, the message board, or livejournal, you're using linux. ~a
[2005-09-28 18:15:40] - ok, then i'm not surprised you use all windows. ~a
[2005-09-28 18:14:11] - a: It's what we specialize in, yes. -Paul
[2005-09-28 18:13:14] - paul: intwine is also a .net company, isn't it? ~a
[2005-09-28 18:11:28] - a: I don't think Intwine has any computers that run anything other than a form of Windows. -Paul
[2005-09-28 18:09:08] - and the windows domain controller at my company is running debian
~a[2005-09-28 18:07:22] - exactly, the server market is quite a different scene. for example 70% of all webservers run apache (i know apache runs in windows, but it's done much less). ~a
[2005-09-28 18:05:20] - Dave: It probably depends on if you're talking about personal computers or all computers. -Paul
[2005-09-28 18:05:00] - even if everybody used windows but me, i wouldn't, for that reason alone, admit windows was any better. ~a
[2005-09-28 18:04:08] - i don't know, but i doubt it. ~a
[2005-09-28 17:58:00] - a: oh, yeah. I didn't mean literally. the numbers are what, like 95% ? -dave
[2005-09-28 17:57:14] - you said everyone uses windows. i assume you didn't mean that literally? ~a
[2005-09-28 17:56:28] - a: I didn't say that you did -dave
[2005-09-28 17:55:55] - paul: there's some religious descrimination for you. ~a
[2005-09-28 17:55:44] - sam: I thought some of the action sequences in it were great -dave
[2005-09-28 17:55:22] - dave: i didn't say that everybody uses linux. ~a
[2005-09-28 17:55:09] - a: I believe there are some unix machines somewhere, just have no clue where -dave
[2005-09-28 17:55:00] - a:
-Paul[2005-09-28 17:54:55] - a: <shrug> every machine I've seen at work has windows running on it -dave
[2005-09-28 17:53:56] - ... so he can't look up to you ~a
[2005-09-28 17:53:42] - paul: you're not a christian. ~a
[2005-09-28 17:52:05] - Sam: I didn't like Kill Bill, if you need somebody new to look up to.
-Paul[2005-09-28 17:50:11] - sam: it's also just a movie. ~a
[2005-09-28 17:49:51] - dave: you like Kill Bill?!?! it's all about brutality and revenge! -sam
[2005-09-28 17:42:14] - all: fyi, i brought back the "titles" link. ~a
[2005-09-28 17:32:31] - about 100% of my hall runs something other than windows on a semi-regular basis. our lab has linux running on every machine. the two coworkers who sit closest to me run linux at home. ~a
[2005-09-28 17:31:28] - everyone uses windows? really? ~a
[2005-09-28 17:22:26] - a: I see. well, if linux is just as user friendly, than it's extremely stupid, because everyone uses windows and it's just as good -dave
[2005-09-28 17:21:54] - a: What happened to the camping adverts? -Paul
[2005-09-28 17:07:18] - dave: to be honest when it comes to being user-friendly, the kernel (linux for instance) doesn't really matter. it's all about your window manager and software. and there are millions of varieties. ~a
[2005-09-28 16:59:54] - a: maybe linux is different, but unix when i used it was distinctly un-user friendly -dave
[2005-09-28 16:59:01] - a: but I still feel like windows has more stuff available for large and mid-size companies to manage stuff vs. unix. I could be wrong again tho -dave
[2005-09-28 16:58:01] - a: I retract my statement, Matlab works on anything and everything apparently -dave
[2005-09-28 16:56:11] - a: I believe it doesn't, but I'm not positive to tell you the truth -dave
[2005-09-28 16:55:19] - i don't know. you tell me.
~a[2005-09-28 16:55:01] - d'oh, I mean it doesn't run on linux? -dave
[2005-09-28 16:54:42] - dave: floating licenses have nothing to do with the operating system. it has to do with the package that handles the floating licenses. ~a
[2005-09-28 16:54:02] - dave: huh? matlab runs in windows. ~a
[2005-09-28 16:53:55] - a: but i didn't know linux had floating license stuff, pretty spiffy -dave
[2005-09-28 16:53:10] - a: well, what I meant is that the software like matlab, etc doesn't run on windows, and I think the company who makes the software also writes the licensing stuff into their software -dave
[2005-09-28 16:50:55] - and by "we" i mean the company i work for uses a package to do floating licenses on the software we release. this package (and our software) works in windows/linux/... ~a
[2005-09-28 16:49:44] - i know what a floating license is. the software we use to do floating licenses work in linux. (possibly also *bsd) ~a
[2005-09-28 16:49:00] - and why do you think setting this up is easier in windows than *nix? ~a
[2005-09-28 16:48:58] - same with all those other software things I listed -dave
[2005-09-28 16:48:21] - so you can have it installed on 100 computers, but if only ever 5 people are using it at once, you only need 5 licenses - that's what floating licenses is. There's a central server that keeps track of ur number of licenses, and who's using what at what time -dave
[2005-09-28 16:47:49] - a: well, like say people want to use Matlab, there is software that lets the normal user just have it automatically install from some central server. It also keeps track of who is actually running it atm, so you only need licenses for who is actually using it, not who has it installed. -dave
[2005-09-28 16:46:45] - a: licenses being easier in *nix is kinda indicative of people not using it. Because most development packages need licenses. Like stuff I use or see used at work: Matlab, MS .NET, VC++, Tornado, LabWindows, LabView, Mentor, UG, AutoCad -dave
[2005-09-28 16:45:56] - dave: really. i didn't know that. what are you talking about? ~a
[2005-09-28 16:45:04] - a: well, easier for windows in there is software in place to detect what's running where and how many licenses etc (not sure whether this is MS or vendor made) -dave
[2005-09-28 16:14:03] - Uma was excellent in Kill Bill because the style and point of the movie was bad/over the top acting in a stylized revenge flick. Absurdity met its mistress. -- Xpovos
[2005-09-28 16:10:27] - and licenses are much easier in *nix since (for the most part) licenses for the operating system are so open, that you can install the os on an array of machines without having to worry about billing or keys or anything. ~a
[2005-09-28 16:09:10] - if anything, doing automatic installation is easier in *nix since most installations in windows require a user sitting at the terminal. ~a
[2005-09-28 16:07:47] - i don't see what about floating licenses / automatic installation is any easier for windows. ~a
[2005-09-28 16:02:21] - like can you imagine the nightmare of people trying to do floating licenses / automatic installation / etc for *nix machines? <shudder> -dave
[2005-09-28 16:01:24] - not that *nix isn't great for what it does, just that (IMO) in many respects it's an entirely different animal than windows -dave
[2005-09-28 16:00:16] - by that i mean things like supporting all sorts of third-party software, user-interface for dummies (who *nix doesn't cater to) etc -dave
[2005-09-28 15:58:54] - and it has a ton of other things to worry about -dave
[2005-09-28 15:58:47] - a: well, honestly, they seem to generally react to what people want - people have been ranting about security, so they've sunk a mountain of time, money, and effort into security for windows etc. Honestly, they've probably put more "effort" into security in terms of time and money than *nix has. It's just that windows has to serve a much larger base tha *nix -dave
[2005-09-28 15:52:40] - dave: too much faith you put in this organization? ~a
[2005-09-28 15:50:53] - a: True, true. But at the same time MS has the money to pay dedicated people to just do that - like they do for the MS AntiSpyware tool -dave
[2005-09-28 15:38:01] - dave: well MS could come up with a detector, sure. say MS comes out with a detector. then a new rootkit could be developed that was undetectable by this detector. it's a constant battle. in windows, only microsoft can come out with detectors. in *nix, the whole world can develop detectors. it's just a matter of ease. ~a
[2005-09-28 15:33:52] - a: still though, all it really means is that MS has to come up with the detector instead of some free-source person -dave
[2005-09-28 15:33:27] - a: ahhh, I remember now. -dave
[2005-09-28 15:28:01] - rootkits can often hide in the kernel (i.e. when any program asks for a file, they're not always returned the actual contents of the file). ~a
[2005-09-28 15:27:00] - dave: and EVEN IF rootkits were just programs that modified files, the rootkit program could modify the programs that generate hashes. ~a
[2005-09-28 15:25:57] - dave: there's more to rootkits than just files. ~a
[2005-09-28 15:24:19] - a: I actually remember running a windows tool that generated hashes and signatures for files and checked whether they matched against some "good" list. The problem as I recall was that it generally spat back so many files to you that you couldn't tell good from bad -dave
[2005-09-28 15:24:02] - dave: no. ~a
[2005-09-28 15:22:40] - a: so ur saying that good copies of "unix" files are more readily available than windows ones? -dave
[2005-09-28 15:21:28] - a: and the only way to really "protect" or "discover" it is if you use an outside program to compare the files against known good copies of the files -dave
[2005-09-28 15:20:04] - a: to my knowledge, rootkits are run on a system to give the attacker backdoors / access after he has gained root access to a system -dave
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