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[2007-06-21 10:00:38] - a: DS doesn't require public SSID, though individual software products for it might. I'll have to go research WPA. MAC address filtering I hadn't considered. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-21 09:57:48] - wep wap wap
[2007-06-21 09:21:33] - axpovos: Yeah, the DS can only connect to WEP protected networks and WEP is generally considered a step down from WPA. -Paul
[2007-06-21 08:42:22] - xpovos: maybe she's using wpa. wep isn't supposed to be used, right? she might also have mac address filtering. or maybe she doesn't have a public ssid. does the ds require you to have a public ssid? does the ds support wpa (i'm sure it does). ~a
[2007-06-21 08:38:01] - aaron: Why would you have to adjust security settings to use a DS? I run a relatively secure home network, and the DS was able to connect to it just fine via the Opera browser. It has built in WEP, etc. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-20 21:39:51] - kaleb: it's hard to block an ip that vandalizes infrequently because it's very hard to convince the community that they're all coming from the same person. you pretty much have to vandalize recently after a recent fourth warning (which is fine even if the warnings previous to the fourth warning are NOT recent). ~a
[2007-06-20 21:36:25] - aaron: it might not be only one person. it's possible that the ip you linked to is used by dozens of people (but you're right that it's very likely that it's just one jerk). ~a
[2007-06-20 21:29:37] - aba: fixed. sorry. ~a
[2007-06-20 21:23:47] - aba: oop. ~a
[2007-06-20 19:28:14] - a: i tried to post to a thread and got this error "could not open msg/data/000a.log for mode "a"" - aba
[2007-06-20 19:22:19] - gurkie: hey I switched your home network's security settings so I could h4ck teh gibson - zerocool
[2007-06-20 19:00:35] - gurkie: hey i switched the home network's security settings so i could use my nintendo DS with them. bug me about it when you get home - aaron
[2007-06-20 18:18:17] - lori: (other than papers...) ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 18:18:02] - lori: how are classes? ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 18:14:28] - aaron: I like how that IP address got like 5 "last warning"s. - Kaleb
[2007-06-20 16:38:31] - a: Dividends are profits the company pays out to investors. Capital gains are profits the mutual fund makes by selling a stock higher than it bought it. They're different taxably; dividends tend to be taxed less. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-20 16:06:00] - I am now remembering why I gave up school for the last 4 years. My head hurts...stupid paper - lori
[2007-06-20 15:42:19] - Gurkie: Hey! I have the same phone as you and I use a bunch of built-in ringtones that you don't use. -Paul
[2007-06-20 15:37:44] - aaron: um the train? cause i think i had the train one for awhile and then ive had the one i have now... I cant even remember what my ring sounds like unless I hear it... Although both Pi and Justin have the same ring as me... Motorola had really bad options when I got the phone. ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 15:25:51] - gurkie: i think the old one - the one that's kind of technoey and starts with some plinky instruments and then has this "bwah bwah" noise that sounds like a fake brass instrument - aaron
[2007-06-20 14:51:04] - a: never mind it explains at the top of aar's link... ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 14:49:29] - a: how can you block someone from an IP? Like in this case would everyone at UOP's office be blocked from editing? (im curious as to how this works)~gurkie
[2007-06-20 14:42:33] - aaron: my current ringtone or my old one? ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 14:31:22] - a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:204.17.31.126 wow lori's coworker is a jerk - aaron
[2007-06-20 14:02:14] - ddr_people: pandora just brought up "golden sky", the DDR song by smile.dk in supernova - aaron
[2007-06-20 13:43:53] - gurkie: yeah, probably something like that. Also, I think having a record of a company licensing or whatever has legal import -dave
[2007-06-20 13:39:57] - gurkie: someone in my office is using your ringtone
- aaron[2007-06-20 11:44:46] - lol... "picture of my kid + 2 apples / 4 does = that weird brown color" - aaron
[2007-06-20 11:35:17] - dave: that was an interesting article. I think its odd that part of the settlement with MS was additional money if Sony settled... Do you think originally Immersion was trying to get about 30 mill and the idea was that microsoft would pay, but if Sony also paid then they were supposed to be refunded a portion ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 11:32:21] - a: thanks I read that one... i was hoping someone had used one and would have been able to say "this one is really good" or something... ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 10:41:02] - dave: yeah. i think though that microsoft makes lots of legal threats to keep itself out of big suits. they're not short on lawyers. ~a
[2007-06-20 10:39:58] - gurkie: KETL, Kettle, Enhydra Octopus, and CloverETL. ~a
[2007-06-20 10:31:16] - berkshire hathaway (however its spelled) is the parent company of Geico! ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 10:29:47] - a: yeah, but those were relatively small time things. My impression is that as far as big bussineses suing one another goes, everyone usually sues MS and not the other way around -dave
[2007-06-20 10:27:17] - a: there are a bunch of tools for it. its basically for data warehousing purposes... I have been reading some of them but ... heard really good reviews of sql servers integration services but sadly microsoft hasnt made it open source
~gurkie[2007-06-20 10:10:38] - etl? after reading the article, i'm still not quite sure what etl is. it seems like that task would be too undefined to have a tool that would be good at handling those kinds of tasks. ~a
[2007-06-20 10:03:58] - has anyone used any open source ETL tools that they would recommend? ~gurkie
[2007-06-20 10:00:02] - in the context of a mutual fund, what's the difference between a "dividend" and a "capital gains distribution"? both of them can be reinvested or alternatively paid out. but i'm not sure how they differ. ~a
[2007-06-20 09:27:02] - Not even New Hampshire can resist the onslaught of the anti-smoking lobby. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-20 09:26:17] - a: If my understanding is correct: dividends and votes. BRK-A gives strong dividends, B does not. BRK-A shares are the only voting shares. That I know. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-20 09:00:55] - xpovos: "leverage"? what does that mean? ~a
[2007-06-20 08:13:31] - a: BRK-B doesn't give the leverage A does. A is only so high because Buffet refuses to split. Ever. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-19 23:03:29] - a: I couldn't even do halfsies right now. brk-b is intriguing, though. -Paul
[2007-06-19 23:00:26] - paul: and brk-b almost exactly matches brk-a. ~a
[2007-06-19 22:58:51] - paul: brk-b isn't as expensive. ~a
[2007-06-19 22:54:58] - paul: ouch. you want to go halfsies on one share? ~a
[2007-06-19 22:39:45] - a: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=BRK.A Here is the stock I was talking about. -Paul
[2007-06-19 20:24:21] - gurkie: it's a magenta apple and a magenta orange - aaron
[2007-06-19 17:54:31] - gurkie: yes i did. is that good or bad? ~a
[2007-06-19 17:19:47] - aaron: did you download it? do you know what apple orange plus magenta equals? ~gurkie
[2007-06-19 17:19:02] - a: you fixed lori being part of the geography of wagoner ok! ~gurkie
[2007-06-19 16:35:09] - http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/OMGWTF-Finalist-08-Universal-Calculator.aspx the universal calculator is so generic, you're not even restricted to numbers. so you can enter fun equations like "apple orange plus magenta" = aaron
[2007-06-19 12:19:10] - MikeRoweSoft.com wxWindows - pierce
[2007-06-19 10:45:05] - and wxWindows (who i believe came up with their name in the early 90s). ~a
[2007-06-19 10:31:51] - didnt ms sue some guy named Mike Ro for having MikeRoSoft (he made software...) ~gurkie
[2007-06-19 09:53:39] - dave: "for once"? you're kidding, right? ~a
[2007-06-19 08:08:08] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-microsoft-to-immersion-you-owe-us-for-the-sony-settlement.html this is somewhat amusing. MS is suing someone else for once, and not only that, but suing Immersion for part of a cut that Immersion got for suing Sony. -dave
[2007-06-19 00:11:32] - and just so we're on the same level here, I'm totally screwing around and my preference for "phoenix" is because it's not wrong. - pierce
[2007-06-19 00:08:37] - a: well technically, I started this out linking to something that used it the other way.
- pierce[2007-06-18 23:38:45] - hmmm. the amazon link doesn't work.
~a[2007-06-18 23:35:33] - google says: Did you mean: phoenix ~a
[2007-06-18 23:35:13] - pierce: amazon.com link | another book. what i'm getting at is that all the THINGS on the wikipedia article use phoenix. and you've not provided any things that use it the other way. ~a
[2007-06-18 23:33:42] - pierce: star trek | tv show | another tv show | comic ~a
[2007-06-18 22:59:25] - pierce: cough. ~a
[2007-06-18 22:46:27] - a: no offense. - pierce
[2007-06-18 22:46:12] - a: and therefore, you reek of failure. - pierce
[2007-06-18 22:40:28] - a: what I'm getting at is that the presence of a wikipedia entry is not the criterion by which we judge correctness of a term. - pierce
[2007-06-18 22:39:45] - a: well there can only be one article, and "phoenix" is the more common and accepted spelling. there are lots of cases where correct titles redirect to also-correct but more common versions of the same topic. moreover, both "counterclockwise" and "anticlockwise" redirect to an article with exactly the opposite meaning, but that doesn't mean they're spelled wrong. - pierce
[2007-06-18 22:02:28] - pierce: pheonix redirects to phoenix. ~a
[2007-06-18 21:36:41] - a: but for the record, I prefer "phoenix". - pierce
[2007-06-18 21:36:23] - a: "Pheonix" works too. - pierce
[2007-06-18 21:00:20] - that's a good song by the way. ~a
[2007-06-18 20:53:11] - pierce: and regardless of what wikipedia says? ~a
[2007-06-18 18:08:37] - aaron: thou shalt spell the word "pheonix," not "phoenix" regardless of what the oxford english dictionary tells you. - pierce
[2007-06-18 17:38:24] - aba: what do you have against the name "phoenix" - aaron
[2007-06-18 15:47:23] - aba: I get the impression she's a porn star. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-18 15:15:38] - aba: being able to see my monitor is useful when shutting things down. ~a
[2007-06-18 15:05:48] - aba: I think all evidence points to her being a person who consciously bucks social conventions. - pierce
[2007-06-18 14:30:15] - aaron: phoenix feeley is just such a gross sounding name. why would anyone choose that?! - aba
[2007-06-18 14:29:06] - a: my ups has a "ups" side and a "surge protector" side, so i only plug the computer and my alarm clock into the "ups" side. having the monitor up during a power outage is nice, but not totally necessary. - aba
[2007-06-18 12:48:42] - "I was recently informed that people with dyslexia have a hard time reading large blocks of italics." hmm. i must have dyslexia. (affirming the consequent). ~a
[2007-06-18 12:32:14] - http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/06/18/topless.settlement.ap/index.html a new york appeals court ruled in 1992 that women have the same right as men to go topless? i don't remember that - aaron
[2007-06-18 12:24:56] - a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacagawea huh apparently it's pronounced with a hard "g" - aaron
[2007-06-18 11:22:08] - aba: especially if you're also running a crt off the ups (which i was until a year ago). ~a
[2007-06-18 11:11:12] - a: yeah, i've found that a ups only really helps when the power flickers on and off. any real downtime, and just a ups won't cut it. - aba
[2007-06-18 09:43:19] - hey, the vending machine at my work accepted the sacagawea dollar that i got from the toll booth. ~a
[2007-06-18 09:41:50] - dave: yay. ~a
[2007-06-18 08:20:22] - http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070618/blockbuster_blu_ray.html?.v=13 Blockbuster to only rent Blu-Ray DVDs at 1.4k stores. -dave
[2007-06-18 01:25:30] - aba: it was on a pretty heavy duty ups between 2004 and 2007. in early 2007 the battery finally wore down and it's on my list of things to replace. even with the ups, though, the power is sometimes down for a while. and if the ups dies, then the old computer still won't start up when the power returns. ~a
[2007-06-18 01:22:30] - a: out of curiosity, is it on a ups? - aba
[2007-06-17 21:22:16] - my old computer doesn't turn itself back on when power is restarted. ~a
[2007-06-17 21:21:33] - aaron: power loss i have to assume. ~a
[2007-06-17 21:14:05] - a: why was the mboard down? - aaron
[2007-06-15 08:26:08] - Great TD quote after the game: "Some day you're going to own this league," Duncan told James, "but thanks for giving it to us this year." That's why I like the Spurs so much, because they are made up of people who can make quotes like that -dave
[2007-06-14 16:49:32] - ok - a_aaron
[2007-06-14 16:44:01] - a/aaron: I won't be there today, or next week. I've got to do some stuff for the trip I will be on tomorrow through next Saturday - vinnie
[2007-06-14 16:31:54] - aaron: sounds good - kaleb
[2007-06-14 15:31:19] - paul: sounds good - aaron
[2007-06-14 15:14:09] - aaron: sure. ~a
[2007-06-14 15:09:10] - a: sfm okay? - aaron
[2007-06-14 13:57:57] - pierce:
~a[2007-06-14 13:56:20] - I'll let you wonder who I was really talking to. - pierce
[2007-06-14 13:56:00] - a: bite me. - pierce
[2007-06-14 13:49:11] - were you talking to paul? ~a
[2007-06-14 13:49:02] - aaron: sounds good? ~a
[2007-06-14 13:20:31] - ...................................................
[2007-06-14 13:19:05] - a: sounds good - aaron
[2007-06-14 09:29:01] - aaron: I'm probably going to try to leave sometime around 9am tomorrow so if you could show up at my place sometime between 8:30 and 9:00 that would be great. Thanks. -Paul
[2007-06-13 17:19:12] - a hula boxer!
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[2007-06-13 16:37:00] - a: nothing. I was trying to remember what the word meant. it did not mean what I thought it meant - vinnie
[2007-06-13 15:56:34] - a: I intend to shove it in your face. Mostly because I am jealous, though.
-Paul[2007-06-13 15:55:51] - vinnie: what are you trawling? ~a
[2007-06-13 15:26:33] - hm that was supposed to go in my google toolbar. I suppose it could have been a worse query
- vinnie[2007-06-13 15:25:55] - trawl
[2007-06-13 15:07:45] - a: My apologies, I don't intend to shove a decision in anyone's face as either bad or good. My comments on the housing market are based entirely on the fact that I was completely priced out of even the smallest of dwellings, and with improvements in job and a retracting on housing, I'm getting closer to affordability. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-13 14:54:32] - gurkie: get used to it. paul and andrew love to shove in my face (any chance that they can get) that i bought at a bad time. ~a
[2007-06-13 14:21:08] - gurkie: no - aaron
[2007-06-13 14:15:18] - Gurkie: You losing equity probably isn't going to be an issue unless you plan on selling in the near future. -Paul
[2007-06-13 13:47:59] - gurkie: pierce doesn't play wow anymore.
- aba[2007-06-13 13:40:23] - paul/xpovos: housing prices going down makes me sad! im losing equity!!! ~gurkie
[2007-06-13 13:39:49] - aaron: they were talking about mr. wizard on 99.5 this morning... were you listening? ~gurkie
[2007-06-13 09:55:10] -
mr wizard http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_Obit_Herbert.html - aaron[2007-06-13 09:36:59] - Xpovos: I've noticed some housing prices coming down as well. I recently saw a townhouse in a neighborhood that I had looked at before selling for an almost reasonable price lately. -Paul
[2007-06-13 09:35:02] - Gurkie: But then I would be last in line for when they were handing out portfolios. -Paul
[2007-06-13 09:34:23] - Kaleb: Yeah, I'm never going back there again. The food wasn't even very good. -Paul
[2007-06-13 08:48:26] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/11/AR2007061102091.html On a related note, I spied some walking distance from Vienna Metro condos with asking prices at 275K-290K... -- Xpovos
[2007-06-13 08:27:04] - pierce: lawl... sigh i hear thats a world of warcraft thing... (or so says a WoW addicted coworker) ~gurkie
[2007-06-13 08:26:25] - paul/kaleb: you should have followed my example, I think I was first in line
~gurkie[2007-06-13 00:33:50] - aba: That's true. It's mostly student loan and car payments I have, but also some credit card stuff I racked up while I was out of work for a few months. Once the CC debt goes down some, I'll look into investing. (p.s. that last post was me) - Kaleb
[2007-06-13 00:31:10] - paul: Oh, yeah! I remember when we were at the "not fun world travelling" place together. It was not good times. =D
[2007-06-12 18:50:57] - a: I don't enjoy it as much as some people, but I do regret that I seem to have experienced a lot less than most people my age. -Paul
[2007-06-12 17:37:51] - paul: i thought you didn't like the idea of world traveling (ignoring semantics). ~a
[2007-06-12 17:30:28] - Kaleb: You were probably the same place I was when people were handing out the "fun world travelling".
-Paul[2007-06-12 17:13:16] - aba: there's risk there though (captain obvious again). the safer thing to do would be to pay off the loan. and a risk mitigation strategy would probably involve some of both. ~a
[2007-06-12 17:11:49] - kaleb: if your debt is student loan related or some other low interest type thing, you might be better off investing over paying off the loan. - aba
[2007-06-12 17:11:21] - pierce: i added more to the threads link. ~a
[2007-06-12 17:08:30] - *** a rocks it captain-obvious-style.
[2007-06-12 17:06:21] - kaleb: you were racking up debt
~a[2007-06-12 17:03:10] - Man, where was I when they were handing out portfolios? I have too much debt to pay off before I can consider investing.
- Kaleb[2007-06-12 16:59:37] - lawl... I'm down 1.59%. EAT IT! - pierce
[2007-06-12 15:50:25] - I'm down a good 1.6% so far today, though.
-Paul[2007-06-12 15:37:25] - Pierce: Yeah, google finance is surprisingly unhelpful for viewing portfolio performance. I just do calculations myself. -Paul
[2007-06-12 15:27:09] - pierce: i don't have anything useful like that either, except some personal perl scripts which store that information. ~a
[2007-06-12 15:17:47] - what do you guys use to view performance over time? I have my portfolio entered in google finance and yahoo finance, and merrill lynch's online tool, and I don't see obvious ways to show "what my portfolio looked like a month ago" or similar information. - pierce
[2007-06-12 14:37:55] - paul: over the last month on the other hand, i'm about even. ~a
[2007-06-12 14:33:16] - given the current OMGCOLDWAR2 brouhaha between putin and bush, it's interesting to recall that putin urged us to vote for bush in 2004. - pierce
[2007-06-12 14:32:12] - I guess I'm lucky, then. My portfolio is only down 1 or 2% over the past month. -Paul
[2007-06-12 14:18:00] - pierce: i'm down about 3% and i thought it was a rough week for mine. ~a
[2007-06-12 14:02:35] - my word it's been a rough week for my portfolio... down almost 10%. - pierce
[2007-06-11 18:07:11] - kaleb: I appreciate the sentiment. honestly, I'm a little embarrassed that this conversation took more than one or two posts... it makes it seem like a much bigger deal than it was, which consequently makes my dorky first comment seem much more notable. - pierce
[2007-06-11 18:00:23] - I went back and read the first few posts. They seemed pretty innocuous to me. - Kaleb
[2007-06-11 17:57:05] - pierce: there, now we sort by time. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:38:18] - a: yes. thanks for humoring me. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:37:20] - deploy precedent. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:36:32] - pierce: acceptable? ~a
[2007-06-11 17:34:04] - a: thanks, by the way - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:33:51] - a: whatever's easier and safer, as long as my name isn't associated with it
- pierce[2007-06-11 17:33:16] - pierce: so what is your final answer? ~a
[2007-06-11 17:32:19] - a: oh... I guess you didn't, I don't know why I thought you did. okay, well we're spending much more time talking about this than the subject merits. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:29:52] - pierce: if that was me that did that, then i definitely didn't ADD your last name to that old post. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:29:21] - a: so basically, whatever's easier for you and safer for the message board archive integrity. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:29:14] - pierce: did i do that? i ran s/boing/pierce/ on the old posts? ~a
[2007-06-11 17:28:28] - pierce: yes. the first few message board entries had separate inputs for name and subject instead of just one huge input box for everything. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:28:26] - (cue someone correcting my regexp because it was case sensitive) - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:27:54] - a: ah, but the precedent of modifying old entries is already there, from when you ran s/boing/pierce/g on the old posts. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:27:07] - although my full name is right there too... was that part of the original post? - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:26:50] - i'll do whichever you prefer. there is no need for a compromise. though it'll still be a precedent either way. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:25:34] - how about this compromise... can you change it to be signed by "boing"? then it's not deleting the record, it's just returning it to its authentic state while subtly dissociating it from myself. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:23:52] - pierce: i "agreed", but don't forget that i "reluctantly agreed". 1. revealed something about a roommate that he/she wish he/she had not. 2. didn't want his/her first and last name googleable (which is majorly lame in my opinion; everybody is googleable to dumb stuff). ~a
[2007-06-11 17:22:41] - pierce: have your cake, but then don't eat it. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:22:38] - a: at the time I wrote that you hadn't yet posted that you'd agreed to them. but now I'm curious about the circumstances. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:21:58] - noooo! I want the post gone but I don't want to set a precedent! what do I dooooo? - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:21:24] - pierce: are you asking what the situations were? ~a
[2007-06-11 17:20:43] - s/that/than/. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:20:14] - a: what happened to numbers 1 and 2? - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:20:10] - i reluctantly agreed to the first two, but they had much better reasons that you do. i'll reluctantly agree to your request assuming it's actually what you want to do (set a precedent like you said). ~a
[2007-06-11 17:19:53] - a: problem is, I'm the one holding myself to that post. and I kinda give two shits about my own opinion of me. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:19:16] - for the record, you're the third person who's asked me to go back and censor the message board. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:18:23] - pierce: you don't think that people can take things in context? i don't give two shits about somebody who holds me to something i posted eight years ago. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:16:50] - not that I want to set a precedent of self-censorship here, but let's face it... that wasn't exactly a candid admission or a controversial statement that should be maintained for the public record. it was just me being a dumbass. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:15:48] - a: what would it take to bribe you to delete my first message board comment? I've always hated that it's the first record of my contribution here. I'd like to think I was being deeply ironic at the time, but that sure doesn't come across and it seems fairly likely that I really WAS just being a total dork. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:12:24] - and while there are a lot of people with exactly that approach in this world, I could give two shits about their opinion. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:11:34] - a: only if you're trying to be hard on "crimes that shouldn't actually be crimes" - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:09:54] - pierce: it would be wrong if you were trying to be hard on crime. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:09:29] - a: I think I get it now. sorry I'm being so obtuse. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:08:53] - pierce: yeah, that's basically what i was trying to say with "only be used to get somebody off" ~a
[2007-06-11 17:08:41] - that asymmetry makes me nervous but I can't think of a specific reason why it would be wrong. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:08:12] - pierce: i mean: "if people should always be tried under the current set of laws, then people might get imprisoned for stuff that was legal at the time of the action, if new strict laws are passed." ~a
[2007-06-11 17:08:02] - a: ah, I think I'm closer to understanding you. I'd be willing to say that it only goes one way. people can be acquitted for things that were illegal at the time but aren't anymore. but people can't be convicted for things that were legal at the time but are illegal now. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:05:38] - yet another complication is the case load this would add to our already-overworked court system. but (idealistic dream warning) maybe that would give legislatures an incentive to think twice before putting BS laws on the books. - pierce
[2007-06-11 17:04:40] - pierce: if people should always be tried under the current set of laws, then people might get imprisoned for stuff that was once legal if new strict laws are passed. ~a
[2007-06-11 17:03:22] - a: I don't know what I'm misreading, but I still don't understand what circumstances you're describing. maybe it's easier if I say that people should always be tried under the current set of laws. and following that logic, people should be permitted to petition for retrial if they think the current set of laws would have a different outcome. - pierce
[2007-06-11 16:55:51] - pierce: by "different situation" i should have been more clear. this isn't necessarily a retrial. i meant in general. i'm guessing it would depend on if they were being retried or not. ~a
[2007-06-11 16:48:45] - a: so to answer your question, we'd use the laws of today. - pierce
[2007-06-11 16:48:18] - a: well I guess the point of the retrial would be that, if there's no active law that their behavior violated, then there's nothing to try them for and they'd be dismissed with no sentence (hence terminating their existing sentence). - pierce
[2007-06-11 16:46:32] - another complication is that, if we're giving amnesty to people who are currently incarcerated for breaking now-repealed laws, then one could argue that we also owe reparations to those who have completed their sentences. - pierce
[2007-06-11 16:44:08] - pierce: understood. on the other hand, (different situation) if somebody is getting tried for a very old crime, should we use the laws of today, or the laws from when the "crime" was committed? or it depends? ~a
[2007-06-11 16:43:24] - it's complicated, I can see two sides of the argument. on one side, there's the philosophy that you're obligated to follow the laws of the moment even if you disagree with them. on the other side, I'd say that punishing people for breaking unjust laws creates a lack of respect for all laws, even the justified ones. - pierce
[2007-06-11 16:39:10] - a: I'm not sure I understood that entirely. I guess my point is that when we realize we've made legislative mistakes in the past (prohibition, sodomy laws) the people who are still being punished for those laws should be given amnesty. - pierce
[2007-06-11 16:36:06] - dave: as I read it, the plea deal would be an admission of guilt to the original crime (i.e. the old version of the law) and would also require sex offender registration. - pierce
[2007-06-11 16:27:37] - pierce: what's also messed up is that the attorney general (who appealed so that he has to stay in prison), has a plea deal on the table, that would probably get him out of jail as well. So it seems like it's just a power struggle and that the attorney general wants him to take the plea deal to get out and not have the judge void the current sentence -dave
[2007-06-11 15:53:22] - pierce: i'm not so sure. when people are tried under old crimes they're usually tried against the laws of the time, not the new laws. i guess you're saying that law changes should only be used to get somebody off, right? ~a
[2007-06-11 15:49:38] - pierce: i added your feature. it only sorts by date (not time, sorry). ~a
[2007-06-11 15:38:44] - pierce: the article said that it was appealed too. ~a
[2007-06-11 15:29:46] - seems like there should be a right to petition for a retrial in the event that the law you were convicted of breaking is modified or repealed. if he'd been tried for the same crime today, it would've been a misdemeanor (including that he wouldn't have to register as a sex offender) - pierce
[2007-06-11 15:27:58] - according to the wiki page, the dismissal of his sentence has been appealed by the state's attorney general so he's not out yet. - pierce
[2007-06-11 12:12:50] - http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/11/teen.sex.case.ap/index.html guy that got 10 yr sentence for having oral sex with girl got his sentence thrown out -dave
[2007-06-10 19:05:44] - scratch that, i think i saw it recently on some channel i had never heard of. ~a
[2007-06-10 19:05:14] - invader zim is still on tv? ~a
[2007-06-10 18:02:30] - a: fair enough, I forgot about the $RECENT thing. that reminds me, I should try that alternative template I was thinking of... ooh, invader zim is on. - pierce
[2007-06-10 17:27:48] - it's not one of the two. you wanted a way to specify which template to use and you wanted the $RECENT variable to be of a different format. ~a
[2007-06-10 17:13:53] - a: technically the thread thing wasn't for me, unless it's not one of the two. doesn't mean I don't appreciate your awesome work
- pierce[2007-06-10 16:56:57] - two actually. ~a
[2007-06-10 16:48:18] - pierce: i already added a feature for you this week
~a[2007-06-10 10:20:53] - mig: Haha, sorry. Yeah, I meant to say months. I still think it's entirely too long. -Paul
[2007-06-10 02:01:58] - a: ha ha i'm sorry i didn't mean to cause trouble. but the cats were very cute in the video - aaron
[2007-06-09 22:47:29] - wireless electricity. this would be very cool. - pierce
[2007-06-09 13:47:10] - copernicus' grave is rolling around him - pierce
[2007-06-09 04:50:43] - a: the thread feature is awesome, btw. is there a way to see when old threads have gotten a new post? maybe do it like phpbb where they're sorted by last post date instead of first post date? - pierce
[2007-06-09 04:47:16] - a: it's not young in most places in the world, when there's parental supervision and no driving. she was apparently given a harsh sentence by a judge who was angry about an unrelated incident involving drunk driving. when she was trying to prevent drunk driving. idiotic. - pierce
[2007-06-09 03:28:03] - though having her in jail at all is ludicrous. - mig
[2007-06-09 03:27:43] - paul: that's months, not years. - mig
[2007-06-09 01:30:18] - aaron: i played that video at my parents house and the cats here freaked out at the sound of the cat in the video. ~a
[2007-06-09 01:30:16] - i wonder how the cops found out about the party. ~a
[2007-06-09 01:27:59] - 15 year olds? that is a tad young. ~a
[2007-06-09 01:13:16] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/08/AR2007060802795.html?hpid=topnews Mom gets 27 years for serving alcohol to minors. -Paul
[2007-06-08 20:57:33] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWyrOuH-x7k&NR=1 cats on wheel - aaron
[2007-06-08 18:01:41] - segmentation fault (core dumped)
[2007-06-08 14:16:39] - *** Xpovos shakes fist at compiler
[2007-06-08 13:59:26] - warning: pointer "sigh" is dereferenced without being initialized
[2007-06-08 13:47:20] - *sigh* eval("fist shake" == hate) ? -- Xpovos
[2007-06-08 13:40:14] - syntax error: -- operator requires an lvalue
[2007-06-08 13:38:15] - eval(fist shake == hate) -- Xpovos
[2007-06-08 12:43:39] - Paris Hilton's legal troubles discussion
[2007-06-08 11:49:04] - gurkie: stephen got there first. be quicker next time? ,) -amy
[2007-06-08 11:48:37] - *** amy shakes fist at xpovos .D
[2007-06-08 11:48:29] - paul: exactly. if i don't hate you for not going, then i'll find some other reason. probably the reason of "i hate paul" .D -amy
[2007-06-08 11:28:07] - Amy: You cant hate me cause I will be there! And I will totally kick amy hifields butt, although i am a little peeved that I am not in charge of your street gang... ~gurkie
[2007-06-08 11:27:26] - I heard the judge got mad at paris's release and she is being relocked up! I also heard rumours that the sherrif who let her out got a 1 million dollar contribution from the Hilton's (sounds like it was a life or death medical situation)~gurkie
[2007-06-08 11:00:42] - amy: Good luck and have fun. I definitely can't make it. So feel free to hate me. -- Xpovos
[2007-06-08 10:27:52] - Amy: Hifield... wait. Isn't that how your crazy last name is pronounced?
-Paul[2007-06-08 10:20:43] - title: thanks ^_^ btw if anybody goes to this show and sees somebody named amy hifield, she is the enemy. -amy
[2007-06-08 10:20:10] - Amy: I thought you already hate me. -Paul
[2007-06-08 10:19:11] - paul: ok, i will hate you too for not going. or if you do go, then i will hate you for something else. -amy
[2007-06-08 10:18:33] - pierce: thanks ^_^ (though i secretly hate you for not going.) -amy
[2007-06-08 10:10:20] - pierce: i've just relied on the fact that nobody ever uses "a href" and non "a href" links in the same post. ~a
[2007-06-08 10:09:48] - pierce: actually, that's a known bug. automatic linking has never worked with a message that contains an "a href" in it. ~a
[2007-06-08 10:07:24] - Amy: I'm going to try to show up, but I might be late. -Paul
[2007-06-08 05:57:14] - turns out you can watch the premiere online right now: http://www.hbo.com/conchords/ - pierce
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