prev <-> next
[2008-02-26 15:52:55] - Seems to give some credence to the ideas that wage inflation is inflation. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-26 15:52:42] - a: Interesting to me is how the wages in 2007 dollars shoot up drastically on every increase, and then almost as drastically shoot down to a asymptotic value, generally w/in a 5-year period. That goes away as the graph progresses and inflation becomes more of a factor, but the pattern repeats too frequently to be noise. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-26 15:41:05] - when adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is now the lowest it has ever been since the 1940s. according to the -pedia ~a
[2008-02-26 15:39:58] - is it weird for your cousin to call you and ask for an invitation to stay with your parents? I think it is, if they asked to stay with me I am the right person to ask... ~gurkie
[2008-02-26 09:35:23] - paul: half of me thinks it's funny, half of me thinks it's depressing - vinnie
[2008-02-26 09:15:15] - a: Either way, I find it amusing that two democratic candidates are having a spat over this kind of thing.
-Paul[2008-02-26 09:14:22] - a: Except that's not what is being said, as far as I can tell. It sounds like the Obama campaign is just saying that the picture itself is an attempt at a smear campaign. -Paul
[2008-02-26 05:39:32] - if they are indeed behind this photo, they're playing dirty pool trying to derive strategic benefit from appealing to racist idiots. It doesn't matter if they are or are not racist idiots themselves, or whether the photo itself has racist content. - pierce
[2008-02-26 05:36:10] - I'd love to say we live in a world where people wouldn't dismiss his candidacy if he was muslim. I'm sure those Clinton staffers would love that, too, and for all I know so would the people behind the renewed circulation of this photo. But we all know that's not how things work in 2008 America, despite the Clinton campaign's simulated naïvete. - pierce
[2008-02-26 05:33:00] - as I understand it, two clinton staffers were forced to resign after forwarding around emails saying that obama is muslim. I know I've personally had to correct multiple people who believed he was muslim based on email forwards they'd gotten. - pierce
[2008-02-25 19:45:51] - aaron: yeah. ~a
[2008-02-25 19:45:13] - a: thedailywtf? - aaron
[2008-02-25 18:39:14] - i take back "the intent is clear". i'd want to hear the clintons side of the story (unless that side of the story is just "wasn't me") ~a
[2008-02-25 18:38:05] - paul: how so? he's not saying, "i'm offended that you're calling me muslim", he's saying "i'm offended that you're calling me muslim to turn voters off of me". (assuming it was indeed the clintons who spread it) the intent is clear. ~a
[2008-02-25 17:51:43] - Vinnie: I just think it's funny because in ordered to be offended by the whole thing, you have to assume that there is something offensive about being muslim (or wearing african clothing or whatever). -Paul
[2008-02-25 17:25:51] - "people who make buttumptions about their regex scripts, will be embarbutted when they repeat this mbuttive mistake."
~a[2008-02-25 15:52:50] - gurkie: yeah I'm sure whoever keeps passing it on does it for that reason. but I guess I'm surprised so many people think that way? if I saw a picture of Bush in clothes like that, I'd think "oh he must be visiting another country". I guess people aren't that familiar with Obama's background, which is why this works - vinnie
[2008-02-25 15:48:50] - vinnie: i think the idea is that they are hinting that because he has on a turban he is a muslim, which would rile up a lot of people against him. ~gurkie
[2008-02-25 15:44:41] - paul: I heard about that photo. I really don't get why it's become an issue. I guess the issue is that it was possibly spread by Clinton's camp in hopes of making it an issue. still, seems weird. I've seen a picture of Clinton in Indian clothing - vinnie
[2008-02-25 14:24:43] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7263783.stm Robed Obama picture ignites row -Paul
[2008-02-22 01:50:47] - happy belated birthday, aaron, and happy not-yet-belated-in-my-timezone birthday, paul. - pierce
[2008-02-21 22:36:35] - gurkie: i'm not sorry it was canceled. ~a
[2008-02-21 20:54:04] - gurkie: awesome! sorry it was canceled but i'm glad you'll be coming with! ~dee
[2008-02-21 20:25:35] - dee: oh okay cool !dee
[2008-02-21 20:13:43] - george bush doesn't care about black people.
[2008-02-21 19:52:17] - http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/02/navy-research-p.html remember the ridiculous accusations that W caused katrina. it may not be so far fetched after all.... - mig
[2008-02-21 19:50:57] - dee: i won't be arriving at lori's until after 11pm. ~a
[2008-02-21 19:23:04] - What time to what time will ya'll be at Lori's new place on saturday? David and I don't get down with overtime til probably 10pm ~dee
[2008-02-21 18:02:00] - gurkie: don't get too drunk you have to play our game on saturday!! - aaron
[2008-02-21 17:36:19] - gurkie: i hope so! ~a
[2008-02-21 17:25:42] - skaters: looks like ill be joining u they cancelled our happy hour...
i mean yay i get to roller skate... do they serve alcohol at roller rinks? ~gurkie[2008-02-21 17:25:15] - aaron: hehe, thanks i already did. it uses b.bean we use it so that we can load different property files in different environments... ~gurkie
[2008-02-21 17:02:30] - gurkie: it has the same ID in both files? i don't remember, sorry. i never do that. try it and see - aaron
[2008-02-21 16:24:07] - paul: happy birthday ~gurkie
[2008-02-21 16:23:10] - spring programmers: if I have a bean declared in 2 files, and file a gets loaded first what instance of the bean (a.bean or b.bean) will be used? ~gurkie
[2008-02-21 15:43:37] - vinnie: i don't mind skipping this week. i'll see you guys tomorrow anyways. ~a
[2008-02-21 15:39:52] - a: you still interested in going? - vinnie
[2008-02-21 14:38:11] - no ddr for me today. i think i'm going to be trapped at work. - aaron
[2008-02-21 09:55:59] - a: heh, fair enough. although actually I'm going bargain hunting. Now that it's unofficially official and all that I expect big markdowns. Kinda like how I got my Sega Dreamcast. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-21 09:47:04] - happy birthday es-san - vinnie
[2008-02-21 09:02:40] - Everybody: Thank you.
-Paul[2008-02-21 08:51:12] - happy birthday paul! - aaron
[2008-02-21 06:20:29] - Happy Birthday Paul! ~dee
[2008-02-20 19:25:09] - i know i know - aaron
[2008-02-20 19:01:22] - aaron:
rc stands for "recent changes" ~a[2008-02-20 18:53:15] - wiki is ambiguous. it doesn't say which wiki. rc is better - aaron
[2008-02-20 17:59:00] - a: gurkie is also a bad name for wiki, with my expert knowledge of user interfaces i would like to propose an alternate solution... why dont you name it... wiki. its good isnt it? ~gurkie
[2008-02-20 17:44:23] - Vinnie: look forward to seeing you two for skating
~dee[2008-02-20 17:43:59] - Gurkie: hahaha! ~dee
[2008-02-20 17:35:09] - better? ~a
[2008-02-20 16:46:29] - a: how am i supposed to know rc = wiki???? Not at all user friendly... ~gurkie
[2008-02-20 16:45:57] - vinnie: ur sweet! ~gurkie
[2008-02-20 16:09:07] - How to Convert Your HD-DVD Discs to Blu-Ray . . . xpovos, it's like when you post an article about the falling housing market. ~a
[2008-02-20 16:07:17] - vinnie:
~a[2008-02-20 15:35:45] - a: I always miss gurkie - vinnie
[2008-02-20 15:02:57] - vinnie & amy & amy: (all three of you) you're going to miss gurkie. she's doing the exact opposite: poker only. ~a
[2008-02-20 14:25:58] - happy birthday paron .D -amy
[2008-02-20 14:23:55] - actually i am looking forward to skating, too. but is there any interest in ice skating? .D i'd like to do that sometime too... -amy
[2008-02-20 14:23:08] - vinnie: hey! speak for yourself. i will go to skating. but not poker. -amy
[2008-02-20 14:00:55] - a: you had me at circular slide. but you lost me at rule
- aaron[2008-02-20 12:45:02] - whoa. this watch is kind of neat. it's got a circular slide-rule around the outer-edge of the watch. ~a
[2008-02-20 11:38:27] - gurkie: there is a link, though the link is probably not as user friendly as it should be. "rc" links to the most recent changes. from there you can make your way to other information. ~a
[2008-02-20 10:54:11] - kaleb: paul = tomorrow (a: this is why a link to the wiki should be on the msg board) ~gurkie
[2008-02-20 10:53:37] - dee: company sponsored (read:paid for) happy hour trumps skating (read:falling) around in a circle... sorry ~gurkie
[2008-02-20 10:53:06] - aaron: again happy birtday! ~gurkie
[2008-02-20 10:36:36] - vinleb: thanks! - aaron
[2008-02-20 09:12:51] - happy birthday aaron! - vinnie
[2008-02-20 09:11:49] - dee: amy and I are coming skating. not poker though - vinnie
[2008-02-20 08:15:31] - dee: I'd have come, but we have a friend coming in for the weekend. So I'm spoken for that night. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-20 03:57:22] - Also, Happy Birthday, Paul, even though I don't know which day it is. - Kaleb
[2008-02-20 03:56:26] - Happy Birthday, Aaron! =} - Kaleb
[2008-02-19 22:05:25] - gurkie: booooo plans! ~dee
[2008-02-19 19:27:34] - dee: i may try and join up for poker, i have plans before that though... ~gurkie
[2008-02-19 18:23:15] - so who is going on friday. i'm excited
~dee[2008-02-19 15:55:31] - a: oh aha i see. mlkjihgfe day - aaron
[2008-02-19 14:51:12] - aaron: "gurkie: i work on mlk day, president's day, columbus day, and veteran's day. the last of which is a little odd considering i work for future veterans. ~a" ~a
[2008-02-19 14:45:10] - kaleb: wait what? where was 'milk day' mentioned? - aaron
[2008-02-19 13:34:54] - milk day was the day when i found out exactly how sheltered paul was as an only child: paul thought it was funny that cows were the only animals that produced milk and was dumbfounded when told that humans could produce milk. ~a
[2008-02-19 13:31:38] - i love milk day. it's a very erotic holiday. ~a
[2008-02-19 13:21:16] - a: I quickly read the holidays you worked, and wondered, "What the hell is 'milk day'?" - Kaleb
[2008-02-19 11:28:50] - vin: that'z the joke. ~a
[2008-02-19 09:14:46] - a: that's always your goal! - vinnie
[2008-02-19 00:08:01] - to break the game, i'll also down a can of tacks before you have a chance to guess which thing i drank. ~a
[2008-02-19 00:06:02] - aaron: sounds like an interesting game. my goal will to be to break the game.
~a[2008-02-19 00:05:17] - vinnie: gurkie was right, christmas is like a week off. it just started when we got bought out by uncle ray. it really didn't matter because, i ended up working every day except christmas and new years eve (and new years day of this year). ~a
[2008-02-18 17:06:58] - gurkie: hmm probably about 2 or 3 minutes? - aaron
[2008-02-18 16:05:43] - aaron: can i play? and how much time do you have to down it all? ~gurkie
[2008-02-18 16:05:20] - a: im with vinnie, which other than the 5 i get (that he listed)... new years eve maybe? do you get christmas week? ~gurkie
[2008-02-18 15:04:42] - a: we should play a game where we go in another room and either drink 4 shots of alcohol or 2 cans of energy drink. and then the other person has to guess which one we did - aaron
[2008-02-18 15:03:45] - a: jesus, 8?? I'm trying to even think of 8. veteran's day (which you said you didn't get off), 2 thanksgiving, christmas eve, christmas, new year's? what else? - vinnie
[2008-02-18 14:18:58] - gurkie: i am somewhat indifferent to holidays, as those are days i don't get paid for .p actually, every once in a great while i do, but in general i don't. -amy
[2008-02-18 14:10:02] - gurkie: in 2008 we get 12 (8 of which are in nov/dec/jan1). ~a
[2008-02-18 14:01:39] - amy: me too! i need more holidays, how many does everyone get? I get 8 i think... (5 of which are in nov/dec/jan1)~gurkie
[2008-02-18 14:01:00] - a: dont shift ur hand! ~gurkie
[2008-02-18 14:00:34] - a: thats lame you shouldnt work on your holidays ~gurkie
[2008-02-18 13:51:00] - i'm at work too - aaron
[2008-02-18 13:31:25] - gurkie: I'm at work *grumble* - vinnie
[2008-02-18 13:11:16] - gurkie: i'm going to work today. we close on like mem day and 4th july and things, but not the smaller holidays (pres, mlkj, vet, columbus...) -amy
[2008-02-18 13:10:17] - a: lol. i was about to be like -- hey that works on my keyboard too!! then i remembered. -_-; -amy
[2008-02-18 12:50:28] - oh my . . . if i accidentally shift my hand over one position on my keyboard, i get fuckie. ~a
[2008-02-18 12:49:15] - gurkie: add that to days that i often work even though we get them off: memorial day, labor day, and the day after thanksgiving. ~a
[2008-02-18 12:47:27] - gurkie: i work on mlk day, president's day, columbus day, and veteran's day. the last of which is a little odd considering i work for future veterans. ~a
[2008-02-18 12:29:21] - gurkie: only because our hot water heater blew up and i have to be here for repairs - lori
[2008-02-18 12:26:59] - are people at work today? ~gurkie
[2008-02-18 08:20:51] - kaleb: lol. - aaron
[2008-02-18 06:19:00] - aaron: I'm going to get that game. - Kaleb
[2008-02-17 20:20:19] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1mlxB2bNPQ 3d fighter maker, the best playstation game ever - aaron
[2008-02-17 19:47:41] - also, I don't think you can call that a reasonable assumption without disagreeing with the "introduction to logic" section. Contradicting that assumption is the entire point of the "introduction to logic" section. - pierce
[2008-02-17 19:46:17] - paul: "So, given the ardency of Paul’s supporters and the scores of e-mails requesting that we write about him, we decided to take a look at Paul’s claims." - pierce
[2008-02-17 15:15:19] - hey wow! all the music in spore is procedurally generated and Brian Eno worked on the soundtrack. - aaron
[2008-02-17 15:06:57] - aba: Ok, if he's not major, then why did fact check bother doing a piece on him? You can't have it both ways.
-Paul[2008-02-16 13:21:57] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_%28video_game%29 i think there's a lot of new spore screenshots in the wikipedia article. the game's starting to look really pretty - aaron
[2008-02-16 12:20:15] - paul: i fail to see how that's reasonable at all. from their about page: "We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players". unfortunately, while ron paul makes a lot of noise, he results in very few votes. hardly major. - aba
[2008-02-16 11:38:27] - aba: Without disagreeing with what they were saying in the "introduction to logic" section, I do think it was at least a reasonable assumption on somebody's part that if Ron Paul hadn't shown up there, then maybe he hadn't been caught with any incorrect facts. -Paul
[2008-02-16 10:08:53] - nm, the only tickets left are like really far back lawn seats. and I bet those will go pretty quickly too - vinnie
[2008-02-16 09:59:07] - just found out the radiohead tickets are going on sale very soon (like right now). don't know if anyone but me is interested? - vinnie
[2008-02-15 20:18:39] - http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/wrong_paul.html i laughed at the "introduction to logic" part. - aba
[2008-02-15 15:02:16] - aaron: also, he is a conservative - aaron
[2008-02-15 15:01:59] - paul: we have someone at my office who is a perfect realization of the "PC guy"... but i found out today he voted for obama - aaron
[2008-02-15 14:29:08] - http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2008/02/12/mitchell/index.html I like this political cartoon. -Paul
[2008-02-15 13:40:55] - a: there. I changed the title so we don't have to make those connections anymore - vinnie
[2008-02-15 12:18:32] - aaron: i'm sure you could sketch us an artist's rendering of what you're talking about. regardless, "noodly appendage" is very disturbing even in the context of spaghetti. ~a
[2008-02-15 12:16:07] - a: i want you to know that the phrase "noodly appendage" is a lot more disturbing outside the context of spaghetti. - aaron
[2008-02-15 11:56:14] - Xpovos: I've heard rumors. -Paul
[2008-02-15 11:39:50] - paul: You know I'm small, don't you? -- Xpovos
[2008-02-15 09:44:36] - what paul doesn't know is that X is really small. ~a
[2008-02-15 09:42:41] - aaron: paul wasn't a developer it doesn't sound like. designer probably means like graphic designer? he only like had two tasks a month. so instead of learning how to use jira (X hours of work) and create tickets (Y hours of work), he thought he could just write up his tasks outside of jira (less than X+Y hours of work). ~a
[2008-02-15 07:22:49] - a: i thought the jira page was cute but i didn't totally get his point. was he saying that it's easier just to have a sheet of paper for each issue rather than filing them in jira? - aaron
[2008-02-15 03:09:17] - http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200802/manualJira.jpg we use jira at work, so this made me laugh. super-hack the url to see the actual description of the image. ~a
[2008-02-14 22:34:47] - yeah, we're all fucked.
[2008-02-14 17:28:54] - aaron: i'm out. ~a
[2008-02-14 16:44:37] - jonathan coulton is playing at the birchmere in alexandria in march if anyone likes him (http://www.jonathancoulton.com/shows). - aba
[2008-02-14 15:12:11] - ddr_people: Springfield mall? - aaron
[2008-02-14 13:23:12] - happy valentine's day. ~a
[2008-02-13 16:17:41] - gurkie: most democrats (particular the more notable ones) have been rather two-faced on the issues of war, so I am not terribly surprised. - mig
[2008-02-13 14:52:25] - sd
[2008-02-13 14:13:04] - title:
~a[2008-02-13 13:36:11] - wtf is OBAMA0B
[2008-02-13 13:20:19] - paul: wasn't arguing that in the slightest
- vinnie[2008-02-13 12:57:09] - Vinnie: True, but it's entirely possible that a good deal of his lofty ideals I am opposed to.
-Paul[2008-02-13 12:53:37] - vinnie/amy/mig: did an apache reorganization last night. let me know if you see any problems. ~a
[2008-02-13 11:35:40] - vinnie: Most people do. Congress is gridlock, thank God. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-13 11:28:16] - sorry I take that back. it looks like he accomplished a lot more before he came to Congress - vinnie
[2008-02-13 11:12:51] - paul: his goals may be loftier, but I think you can still be smart about pursuing your ideals, taking small steps towards them, and still getting a lot accomplished. I mean, I think he's gotten quite a bit done in his short time in Congress - vinnie
[2008-02-13 10:51:58] - gurkie: I hadn't heard about that, but googling it seems to indicate the vote wasn't supposed to be scheduled until he came back, and then it got pushed up unexpectedly. but I still think you have a good reason for feeling that way - vinnie
[2008-02-13 10:45:03] - Vinnie: Obama might have more upside than Hilary in that he'll aim for loftier goals, but I just think he's much more likely to fail at it. People compare him to JFK and I think it's not a bad comparison. I happen to think that JFK was largely a poor president, though, so that might explain why I am not impressed with Obama. -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:44:55] - paul: haha probably not. democrats may be prone to more idealistic statements, true. conservatives are... conservative. yeah those positions seem a little vaguer than some of his other ones, but he does link his full plan on that page (I haven't read it or anything) - vinnie
[2008-02-13 10:44:46] - vinnie: i kinda feel like obama is all charisma and not much else, my sister made a point on how there was a vote i think it was for staying in iraq and he didnt vote for it and has been saying Hillary voted for it, but he wasnt in town. If a big vote is coming up on a key issue taking a stand says a lot more about you than leaving town. ~gurkie
[2008-02-13 10:39:27] - And I can't imagine republicans saying that as much.
-Paul[2008-02-13 10:39:11] - Vinnie: Sorry, I wasn't very clear at all. I was just thinking specifically of all the summaries of his positions on the issues where he talks about how people shouldn't be poor and disabled people shouldn't be faced with barriers, etc. -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:38:24] - and still, I feel like he would have more of an impact in office than Hillary. as vague as he is in speeches, I think I've got a pretty good handle on his policies (not that far off from Hillary's) and I think he would be reasonably effective in office at executing his policies. he's charismatic and I think good at convincing people to support him - vinnie
[2008-02-13 10:38:21] - Vinnie: Oh, I didn't necessarily mean that Democrats are more vague (even though that's almost explicitly what I said). I was more thinking that democrats seem to be more prone to making idealistic statements like that. -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:35:03] - paul: I don't think I disagree with that (except maybe that Democrats are vaguer than Republicans). obama's speeches are especially vague for a candidate. but it does seem to be working for him, and I'm not surprised why - vinnie
[2008-02-13 10:29:24] - Vinnie: He just seems to have a lot more fluff than most others. Everything he says is prefaced with a bunch of flowery language which sounds nice, but ultimately means nothing. -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:28:54] - Vinnie: It's entirely possible I am picking on Obama too much for this, since it's a common theme with all politicians (especially Democrats, IMHO). -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:26:54] - Vinnie: The website is a little better, but there is still far too many places where it just says things like: "He will improve rural schools and attract more doctors to rural areas." -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:17:50] - I'm only half kidding about that. speeches and debates don't seem like the right places to get into the nitty gritty of your policies; to me, they seem more suited for getting a feel on your candidate's personality (which counts for a lot in this country), and maybe their stances as a secondary concern - vinnie
[2008-02-13 10:14:41] - back to the obama thing, you can get a pretty good sense of his policies on his website: http://www.barackobama.com/issues I do think paul made a good point about how he hasn't been too clear with his policies in his speeches and debates. it makes sense. why potentially put off part of your voting base?
- vinnie[2008-02-13 10:10:43] - man, that puts my estimation of them like way down
- vinnie[2008-02-13 10:10:27] - paul: whoa, Shaq is on the Suns now?? I need to keep up with my basketball news - vinnie
[2008-02-13 10:05:19] - Xpovos: And there was even one prediction where I was still able to predict that Shaq would get traded even after his trade to the Suns was finalized. -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:03:53] - Xpovos: Also, it makes sense to predict something as early as possible because you can always change your prediction and you get a bonus for picking correctly earlier. -Paul
[2008-02-13 10:03:13] - Xpovos: Well, it seems like there is little incentive to answering questions without a limited number of answers and the ideal situation is to answer only ones where it's a yes or no. -Paul
[2008-02-13 09:57:14] - Paul: I don't follow. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-13 09:05:21] - Xpovos: The more I use predictify, the more I am convinced that the system is either broken or at least can be done advantageously. -Paul
[2008-02-13 08:54:51] - (S?) - aaron
[2008-02-13 08:54:44] - Does Amazon ever sell out of games like GTA4 or SSBB or Spore? - aaron
[2008-02-13 07:58:34] - I had someone nominate a page on my watchlist for deletion once, but they decided to keep it - aaron
[2008-02-13 07:53:48] - kaleb: for whatever reason i've never had the same problem as you with any of the pages i authored, but maybe it was because they were on less popular topics - aaron
[2008-02-12 21:05:23] - kaleb: they do have to be flashy otherwise the unwashed masses (read: morons) ignore the warnings and then get violently pissed off when their images get deleted</cynical>. ~a
[2008-02-12 20:22:55] - incidentally, obama voted against retroactive telecom immunity, clinton abstained. the rest of the Ds showed the same lack of solidarity that has had them constantly trounced by the republicans during this administration. - pierce
[2008-02-12 20:20:25] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdj9aACgmM chris dodd on today's failure to remove telecom immunity. - pierce
[2008-02-12 19:42:37] - And who else agrees with me that the people on Wikipedia are horrible at organizaing a simple page of information. It's like they can't go two paragraphs without throwing in a dozen different randomly colored bordered divs, images, and various font settings. It's like this on every WP page. -Kaleb
[2008-02-12 19:38:39] - I don't even bother with trying to keep things on Wikipedia. Even if something is not infringing on a copyright, and lists all required references, it later gets marked as not relevant or who knows what else and then is lost. Usually I just throw the info in and let others do the dirty work of organizing it with the 20,000 templates, categories, and rules they have. -Kaleb
[2008-02-12 15:09:11] - aaron: my change. a few fair use rationale examples. ~a
[2008-02-12 15:00:31] - s/rational/&e/ ~a
[2008-02-12 14:58:15] - basically, i'm going to write a "fair use rational". i've done it before for a few images. ~a
[2008-02-12 14:57:38] - aaron: i'll look at the image. ~a
[2008-02-12 14:57:08] - aaron: 9 or 10. ~a
[2008-02-12 14:34:49] - Clinton --> William Jennings Bryant. Warren Buffet --> J.P. Morgan. ? --> McKinley? -- Xpovos
[2008-02-12 13:47:05] - what time are you guys leaving work? i heard snow is supposed to get bad - aaron
[2008-02-12 13:46:56] - vinnie: first i have to find the cabinet. i think it's somewhere in british columbia right now - aaron
[2008-02-12 13:44:30] - aaron: you need to take a picture of yourself playing the game
- vinnie[2008-02-12 13:36:52] - To me, being for better schools and a healthier economy doesn't seem to be much of a substantative record.
-Paul[2008-02-12 13:36:19] - a: His campaign seems to be much about about vague, non-offensive notions like change and optimism and unity. One of his commercials was talking about how he will stimulate the economy and improve schools. -Paul
[2008-02-12 13:34:46] - a: It's not that he doesn't have a voting record, it's that he doesn't seem to have made a lot of definitive stands on things (at least not ones that people seem to be aware of). -Paul
[2008-02-12 13:33:42] - a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Anteater_arcade.png
what do i need to do to keep this from getting deleted? - aaron[2008-02-12 13:15:54] - a: not to speak for libertarians here, but they'd probably only support it if it leads to less spending in the end. in the short-term, it means more spending
- vinnie[2008-02-12 12:26:07] - a: I think his efforts in the Illinois senate are probably more interesting than his federal senate service. Unfortunately, I haven't researched him to that depth. I probably will if he ends up being the Democratic nominee, though. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-12 12:02:36] - assuming said legislation does what it promises, isn't that something that a libertarian (or any fiscal conservative) would want? ~a
[2008-02-12 12:01:43] - paul: he doesn't have a voting record? hasn't he been in the us senate for 3.5 years? hillary has only been on for 7.5 years. hasn't obama "co-sponsored bipartisan legislation for ... promoting greater public accountability in the use of federal funds"? (wp) ~a
[2008-02-12 11:55:33] - aaron: earth hour. ~a
[2008-02-12 11:52:01] - paul: i "eye-roll" at three quarters of what obama says. his statements rarely have substance, but that's usually the case for presidential hopefuls. ~a
[2008-02-12 10:57:43] - a: Honestly, I don't know a ton about either of their views since I don't expect to vote for either of them, but I have watched some debates and Obama just seems to be so much more flash over substance. -Paul
[2008-02-12 10:50:19] - a: I suppose it's that she has a record so you know what you're going to get. Obama really has no record and seems to be running on just "Peace, Love and Unity", which is just eye-rolling to me (no offense intended). -Paul
[2008-02-12 10:43:04] - paul: why clinton? you're the first to "vote" for her, so i'm not sure what about her record stands out for you. ~a
[2008-02-12 10:40:09] - aaron: yeah could be funny - vinnie
[2008-02-12 10:37:05] - vinnie: you remember that joke balderdash game we tried to play? i wonder if it would work better if everybody tried to give straight answers and you just voted for the funniest one - aaron
[2008-02-12 10:31:47] - a: although i do like the idea of a hospital or some other public building turning off their lights for an hour with no explanation - aaron
[2008-02-12 10:30:52] - "pigs can't talk!" definitely counts
- vinnie[2008-02-12 10:30:22] - aaron: yeah, someone on that thread pointed out that "why did the chicken cross the road" is like the godfather of straightforward answers to jokes. it's become so ubiquitous that it's hard to remember the joke is that it is so straightforward - vinnie
[2008-02-12 10:29:30] - a: i refuse to sign up for earth hour on the grounds that it took me like 2 minutes of navigating their web site to find a sentence that tangentially implied what earth hour is - aaron
[2008-02-12 10:25:43] - because if it does, boy do i have the joke for you - aaron
[2008-02-12 10:25:35] - vinnie: does "silly!! pigs can't talk!!" count as a straightforward answer? - aaron
[2008-02-12 10:24:52] - vinnie: ahhahaha. a mutt. i'll have to steal that- aaron
[2008-02-12 10:05:10] - "what do you get when you cross a bulldog with a shi-tzu?" "a mutt" - vinnie
[2008-02-12 09:58:31] - "What time do the Chinese go to the dentist?" "probably within regular office hours, 9 to 5" - vinnie
[2008-02-12 09:57:48] - "what was the pirate movie rated?" "you mean, pirates of the caribbean? that was PG-13" - vinnie
[2008-02-12 09:57:07] - as interesting as this discussion has been: straightforward answers to classic jokes (concept stolen from I Love Everything): - vinnie
[2008-02-12 09:35:17] - And there's a lot of reason to be upset by that. That Bush handled it poorly to start with, and then used it as an excuse to invade Iraq are tops on the list. But it would have taken an incredible political effort to overcome. More even than the old "don't change horses in mid-war" mindset. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-12 09:33:53] - vinnie: aba also, I guess: I don't think I'm smarter politically than most, but I fully expected Bush to win in 2004, despite the media bias that a Democrat would have an advantage. Sure, the war was unpopular, even at that point, but as early as October of 2001 I was saying that Bush was a two-term president. November of 2004, Bush won because of September of 2001.
[2008-02-12 08:57:20] - If it's not too late: 1) Romney and 2) Clinton. -Paul
[2008-02-12 08:37:25] - aba: yeah that incumbent thing makes sense too. (you're making sense all over the place today!) but I do remember some people thinking a democrat would take office in 2004. I don't like assuming things like that, especially when it's pretty easy to vote here
- vinnie[2008-02-12 08:33:27] - aba: re: earthhour: interesting, but it makes sense - vinnie
[2008-02-12 03:07:56] - a: plants generate based on anticipated demand which is back calculated using previous demand and current population. so something as dynamic and short term as earthhour does not impact the amount of energy generated. that energy is just dissipated in the grid if it goes unused (which is a financial hit to the energy company). - aba
[2008-02-12 03:06:47] - a: no, plants do not generate constantly the same amount of energy, but it's rather difficult to vary the amount generated to any large degree. the energy source also makes a difference (ie coal is easier to vary than nuclear). we talked about it in a class of mine but i can't turn up anything from google right now. - aba
[2008-02-12 01:55:16] - though to answer your original question, i only heard about earth hour a week ago. ~a
[2008-02-12 01:53:53] - aba: the campaign does educate how to reduce energy usage. however, to be completely honest i hadn't thought of the "energy is still being generated at the plant" concept. are you sure it's true? you're saying that plants generate the same energy on a cold day (when electric heaters and heat pumps are on max) as on a moderate day? ~a
[2008-02-11 20:59:15] - vinnie: most people tend to pick an incumbent president they do not like when there is a war going on (even if they agree more with the other candidate). i think the upcoming election has much more uncertainty behind it than the 2004 one did. - aba
[2008-02-11 20:58:07] - a: so i was interested in hearing about your side of the issue.
- aba[2008-02-11 20:57:38] - a: i think they are great for creating awareness about the energy crisis, but campaigns that educate people on how to consistently reduce energy usage are much more useful. - aba
[2008-02-11 20:56:56] - a: i meant 2007, since i assumed you were participating in 2008 (or else you wouldn't have the link, right?). i have problems with campaigns like earthhour because significant one time drops in usage have no positive environmental impact (since the energy is still being generated at the plant). - aba
[2008-02-11 17:54:45] - a: I'm just making it up as I go along
- vinnie[2008-02-11 17:47:55] - vinnie: you don't seem uninformed to me. ~a
[2008-02-11 17:39:27] - a: well, I've read that Virginia could be a swing state this time around, so I'd definitely recommend voting in November (though I assume you probably would anyway) - vinnie
[2008-02-11 17:14:00] - vinnie: we can still hope. but yeah, assuming that one side will win is a sure way to help it lose (people will be lazy) ~a
[2008-02-11 17:03:21] - /end Vinnie's second-hand uninformed punditry
- vinnie[2008-02-11 17:03:02] - I think the general election will probably be closer than you think. I remember some people saying in 2004 that the democrats were definitely going to take office, after bush's fuck ups. most of the red states from last time will still go red, even if there is more support for democrats there than last time. sort of what happens in our system - vinnie
[2008-02-11 16:59:58] - also mccain, obama. perhaps not the biggest surprise at this point - vinnie
[2008-02-11 16:30:01] - a: Thanks, the photographer was excellent. He's won a bunch of a awards, and he provided service for a very reasonable rate. More to go up as I get time. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-11 16:08:41] - xpovos: dude, your pictures are snazzy. very awesome photographer (and subjects of course). ~a
[2008-02-11 15:58:16] - aba: it's in march, right? are you talking about march 2007 or 2008? ~a
[2008-02-11 15:17:01] - a: did you participate in earthhour? - aba
[2008-02-11 15:06:17] - Clinton is the epitome of the democrats hypocritical stances on both the war and civil liberties. She voted for both going into Iraq and the Patriot act. She is also a proponent of the full blown socialist nanny state, which obama seems less inclined to go for. - mig
[2008-02-11 15:03:51] - McCain is the epitome of fiscal conservative hipocracy. Bemoaning the special interests pork barrel spending and yet enabling it by the policies he supports. And well, he's a war-monger. - mig
[2008-02-11 14:59:42] - a: to answer your whys, both mccain and clinton represent everything that i hate about their respective parties. - mig
[2008-02-11 14:50:39] - a: From the xpovos point of view it can generally be accepted as a given for the basis of the problem that conservative = good. Though that is not a universal truth, the exceptions are more complicated than the rule. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-11 14:46:04] - also, hillary is harder to spell than obama. i'm going to spell it different in this sentence to hedge my bets - aaron
[2008-02-11 14:41:36] - obama had some interesting digg articles last week. also i think hilary voted for some legislation about restricting the sale of video games once. - aaron
[2008-02-11 14:21:02] - xpovos: what's wrong with not being a conservative? ~a
[2008-02-11 13:54:40] - But in the meantime, I prefer Obama because he is less tainted, less likely to murder to accomplish his goals, and young enough to be idealistic. I prefer Romney over McCain, because Romney's a conservative. McCain isn't. Neither is Huckabee, though he is a fundamentalist. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-11 13:53:03] - Obama might actually do some good, while destroying things generally. And while that's probably better short-term, it's also bad long-term because it makes people more likely to vote for inexperienced Democrats. -- Xpovos
[2008-02-11 13:52:20] - a: In a sense, I'd rather have Clinton because at this point, no matter who wins, it's going to be bad for the country. So I'd like the candidate who is both in the party that has ideas further from what I agree with generally, and who is more likely to make a bigger mess to get elected. Hence, backlash 4/8 years later. Kinda like the anti-Bush. Clinton will do that.
[2008-02-11 13:18:44] - a: mccain, obama - aba
[2008-02-11 13:14:51] - 1. McCain - 2. Obama - 3. Colbert - Kaleb
[2008-02-11 13:04:39] - 1. mccain 2. obama - aaron
[2008-02-11 12:28:11] - McCain has no hope. the only thing he really differs on clinton on is the war, and his position is the overwhelmingly unpopular one. - mig
[2008-02-11 12:26:25] - mig: oh? i hope you're right. ~a
[2008-02-11 12:25:04] - right now the republican race is all about who will be the sacrificial lamb to the democratic candidate at this point. - mig
[2008-02-11 12:24:25] - a: are you nuts? clinton would destroy either of them. - mig
prev <-> next