http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20015584-1.html Duke Nukem Forever not dead yet? -Paul
daniel: hulu.com. ~a
a: what did it not do with flash that you wanted? i haven't messed with it to much but I was able to load and play a game from Kongregate so it seems pretty functional to me. -Daniel
"browser can now display animated gifs" oh that one too, believe it or not. weather.gov displays their radar output as animated gif files. ~a
"support for file upload fields in the browser" oh sweet, i had been needing that feature. ~a
yeah i haven't noticed any major changes. small progression without any regression is a good thing though even if i'm sad that flash didn't work like i was hoping. ~a
a: So I was so excited when I woke up at 4 AM and saw that Froyo was available to download, I stayed up for 20 minutes to watch the whole process. Now I'm tired, but 2.2 seems like a good facelift so far. - Stephen
Paul: I'm sure you could make the wheelchair team. Your block rate would improve amazingly, and you could even get a few more steals. Just, play a for time, not to a score. Also, watch your feet, no sense getting them crushed by the wheels. -- Xpovos
Daniel: Also, I've been considering changing the time and place to accomodate more people. What day/time would be better for you? -Paul
Daniel: Ha, you wouldn't have to be great. I'm absolutely terrible. I wouldn't be able to make it in onto a wheelchair basketball team, let alone the WNBA. 
-Paul
that you play*
Paul: I would play basketball, I am probably not that great currently. I think you said sometime that play Saturday morning which is going to be tough for me to make. -Daniel
Daniel: Do you still play basketball some? Over the past few years, I've been trying to organize a weekly game during the summer but lately I've been having problems getting enough people. -Paul
aaron: Have you ever watched a WNBA game? I don't think I could play in it now but as a senior in highscool or my last two years in college I could have made a team. Not a super star but definitely made a team. I think there are sports where women would kick my ass all over the place but the talent in the WNBA outside their stars isn't elite. -Daniel
paul: find it demeaning playing against kids... but then at the last second, kenny got a team of adults and totally destroyed the team of kids - aaron
paul: hey not bad kind of off topic but Kenny v Spenny season 6 episode 6, "who's a better basketball coach" had a pretty funny plot. Kenny got a wheelchair basketball team knowing that spenny would feel guilty pitting a "normal" team against them... so spenny made a team of kids, hoping the wheelchair team would - aaron
Aaron: Heh, maybe they could have a group of "average joes", a group of old-time all-stars, the worst men's college basketball team, and WNBA all-stars. That way, they're all basically novelty teams squaring off. -Paul
mig: my analogy? it wasn't my analogy. ~a
paul: maybe like the beauty and the geek thing, where they had one gender-reversed team; maybe like the WNBA team would just have a place in some kind of larger tournament? or maybe have a coed league where the teams have to be all-men or all-women or something? i don't know - aaron
paul: oh yeah don't get me wrong. i'd want the teams to play their best, i'd just be worried about it being spun around as like, "wow, you guys sucked, you couldn't even beat a team of women" or, "wow, you guys sucked, you couldn't even beat the worst men's basketball team" you know? i'd want, somehow, for it to be portrayed as just another basketball game - aaron
Aaron: No, I haven't seen any jackass movies. I think I would want the teams to take it seriously, though, or else we'll never know if the men or women lost because the other side wasn't giving their all. -Paul
paul: yeah, i'd like to see that too, as long as nobody took the outcome too seriously. i wouldn't want the WNBA or the men's team to feel humiliated about the outcome. did you see the jackass movie where they had one of the cast members versus a pro female kickboxer? that was the most memorabl "average guy v athletic girl" moments i can think of - aaron
Aaron: Most people I talk to (including some girls) seem to think that even the best WNBA team would get destroyed by any decent men's basketball team. I really wish somebody would try something like the WNBA all-stars vs the worst men's college basketball team just so we could all know for sure. -Paul
Gurkie: I'm surprised somebody hasn't sued Augusta and won either. The division between a public company and a private organization (especially in this case) seems very flimsy. At the same time, there are plenty of examples of organizations which openly discriminate based on race and gender. -Paul
i mean i think a really good female athlete is on average about 80% as good as a really good male athlete, just from a raw numbers perspective. 80% as fast, 80% as strong, 80% as whatever. me, i'm probably about 20% as good as a really good male athlete, if that. my free throw percentage is probably closer to 0% - aaron
Stephen: I'm confused, isn't that a good reason why Augusta should be able to exclude women? After all, golf is a competitive sport too. -Paul
daniel: heh heh. i can see that as being kind of offensive. i don't know if it's true either. other than the height/speed/stamina difference with men, i mean, you know. they're still athletes. i don't think you'd stand a chance - aaron
like skill wise - gender issues aside. -Daniel
My mom got mad at me one time when I told her I thought I could play in the WNBA. -Daniel
ultimately it all comes down to the paradox of tolerance. i'm not sure what the right answer is, but i agree with miguel. as long as federal dollars aren't funding these kinds of clubs, i think it's OK if they're unfair or intolerant - aaron
Precedent to the lower numbered amendment then, right? -- Xpovos
mig: Yeah, there's a lot of tension between the First Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause. Ultimately, you can't totally satisfy both. - Stephen
a: if I am reading you properly your statement essentially argued that it is more important to segregate the military based on gender.... maybe I am misunderstanding ~gurkie
I'll have to agree that adrian's analogy is the one that's kind of faulty, though I do think the principle of Freedom of Association should trump other concerns in these situations. - mig
so if you're going to allow "distraction" to be a reason to exclude a group, your argument is far stronger regarding the military than the Boy Scouts. - Stephen
gurkie: Boy Scouts of America v. Dale is pretty relevant to this discussion, where the boy scouts were forced to readmit a gay scoutmaster; but the supreme court overturned it arguing that it violated Freedom of Association - aaron
a: The argument you gave for why girls shouldn't be in the Boy Scouts is identical to the one that people gave for not allowing women in the military, and the one that people are currently giving for not allowing gays in the military. It seems to me that the main job of the military is FAR more important than the main goal of the Boy Scouts
stephen: the boy scouts is very very different from the military. first of all, the main job of the military is warfighting and killing the enemy. the main job of boy scouts is to educate boys. the military is for fully developed adults. the boy scouts is for adolescent minors. i'm not sure how the law is concerned, but you probably need to pick a better analogy. ~a
gurkie: i don't think there are any laws like that for private clubs, that's why organizations like the KKK and westboro baptist church are so successful - aaron
so I should probably just look up Augusta National, but if a country club refused to allow African Americans into its membership I feel like they could still be sued over it, maybe I am mistaken but I think if it were race rather then gender then they wouldnt get away with it. ~gurkie
Paul: The Girl Scouts are not a competitive organization. I'm not sure that a boy would dominate selling cookies and doing arts & crafts and cause the girls to lose interest. - Stephen
a: What is the difference between allowing a girl in the boy scouts and allowing a woman in the military? - Stephen
Although perhaps I should have read your link thoroughly before commenting... -- Xpovos
a: Girls are already in the boy scouts. -- Xpovos
stephen: well i have to disagree on that one. it would be very distracting to have girls in the boy scouts and vice versa. they have "venture scouts" and a few other niche groups, but i doubt it would work with the vanilla scouting systems. ~a
Stephen: Should men be allowed in the WNBA? -Paul
Actually, I take it back. Apparently there is nothing saying that women can't be members, there just aren't any members. That's according to wikipedia, which could be wrong. -Paul
As I understand it, women are not allowed to be members of Augusta, but they are allowed to golf on the course provided there is a member in their party. -Paul
a: Yes. If a boy wants to learn the skills taught in Girl Scouts, or vice versa, they should be allowed to do so. - Stephen
and the girl scouts should admit boys? ~a