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[2020-02-20 10:17:03] - a: All I know is that Stratego has no luck, right? -Paul
[2019-09-22 16:03:21] - paul: listened to an interesting npr thing where they measured luck vs skill using statistics. interesting because it's like one of the bases behind pvtm (luck or skill?). but also because i think it was a huge discussion in the great stratego debate (tgsd). they measured the luck vs strategy by determining how players did in the 1st half of a series vs the 2nd half. ~a
[2019-03-15 10:46:11] - paul: yes, and i guess that means stratego has no luck in it at all. ~a
[2019-03-15 10:42:53] - a: Good call. I could totally play stratego to lose.
-Paul[2019-03-15 10:38:24] - paul: uh oh i hear a stratego argument coming. ~a
[2016-03-01 13:24:42] - paul: it started with stratego. but after someone pointed out the parallels to battleship, you claimed battleship has no luck as well - aaron
[2016-03-01 13:07:30] - Aaron: I thought it was Stratego, but either way...
-Paul[2016-03-01 09:03:29] - a: but yeah "output outside of the player's control" isn't a complete definition of luck, there are games which have no output outside of the player's control but which still intuitively have luck, such as stratego, battleship, rock-paper-scissors, "the pi game" or the "pick a complicated door" game - aaron
[2008-04-10 20:54:22] - i don't think we ever had a stratgo debate (heh, i was wondering why your post didn't show up in the search results for stratego) ~a
[2008-04-10 17:15:53] - vinnie: http://aporter.org/msg/?action=search&search=stratego ~a
[2008-04-10 17:10:01] - vinnie: paul thought there was NO luck (nothing was left to chance) in stratego. ~a
[2008-04-10 16:48:48] - I don't even remember what that stratego debate was about anymore. did someone think the game was entirely luck? - vinnie
[2008-04-10 16:27:46] - xpovos: "Wow, I never thought Stratego would bring about such a heated debate. -BpemR" ~a
[2008-04-10 15:13:54] - a: actually i think i might have had stratego at one point... it looks like capture the flag (at a first glance of the first paragraph) ~gurkie
[2008-04-10 15:02:58] - it's everybody against paul. who wants to discuss stratego? ~a
[2005-04-20 17:25:09] - Oh, the mention of Stratego was cool too.
-Paul[2004-06-23 15:20:11] - Pierce: Ah, yes. How naive I once was. I used to think that we needed environmental regulations, that third world immigrants were civilized, and that stratego had skill involved. Skill! -Paul
[2004-01-21 11:03:00] - hahaha, I read through that stratego argument again. that may be the only time I could not agree with even a little bit of paul's opinion. i wasn't the one who exhumed that quote though - vinnie
[2004-01-21 02:54:00] - "Stratego has a lot of strategy to it as well as memorization. I don't see how luck factors in.... -Paul"
[2000-08-11 14:31:00] - Well he really really likes stratego, and he's pretty good at it. So I can see how he might be offended if we thought there was luck in it - Aaron
[2000-08-11 14:23:00] - If luck exists in anything at all, then it exists in stratego. Like Xpovos says. - Aaron
[2000-08-11 14:21:00] - We were all shouting at you because Stratego has luck because it has an unknown and unpredictable element!
[2000-08-11 14:16:00] - Battleship is extremely similar to Stratego in that there are good strategies and bad strategies, but the best strategy can not overcome bad luck
[2000-08-11 14:12:00] - Paul, a supercomputer could never deduce a solution in Stratego if there was concealed information
[2000-08-11 14:08:00] - If you didn't use any guesswork when playing stratego, then your opening setups would always be the same!
[2000-08-11 14:07:00] - Introducing luck by altering my strategy based on guesswork, exactly. I know at least when I play stratego I do a lot of guesswork.
[2000-08-11 13:58:00] - How about this? A computer AI could be designed which would win at Stratego all the time no matter what the opposing person's set-up -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:57:00] - paul, your obstinance is making you sound foolish. by your own definition, there is luck involved in stratego-dave
[2000-08-11 13:56:00] - The luck in Stratego comes from the fact that there is information which is not revealed to the player at the beginning of the game, which can not be
[2000-08-11 13:56:00] - I disagree, there is absolutely no luck in stratego... -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:55:00] - different games have different amounts, but stratego definitely has its share -dave
[2000-08-11 13:55:00] - Why is it no fun to play more then one game of Stratego? -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:54:00] - In stratego, the better player should always win unless he makes a mistake -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:52:00] - Paul, when you advance and make your very first attack in stratego, there is no way of knowing if you will win or lose!
[2000-08-11 13:49:00] - Hey! I admit to there being -some- luck in Stratego. But I also insist there is some luck in all games, even chess! -BpemR
[2000-08-11 13:48:00] - And in stratego, there is luck because there is no way of knowing which side of their board contains the flag... And if both players are competent,
[2000-08-11 13:48:00] - Wow, I never thought Stratego would bring about such a heated debate. -BpemR
[2000-08-11 13:48:00] - i think stratego has luck involved too. -dave
[2000-08-11 13:47:00] - and stratego has tons of strategy and tons of luck involved ~a
[2000-08-11 13:42:00] - Paul - There IS luck in stratego. I don't know what you're talking about. - Aaron
[2000-08-11 13:40:00] - or you were able to see which pieces were where in stratego, then there would be no luck involved ~a
[2000-08-11 13:39:00] - There is no luck in Diplomacy and Stratego.... Where does the luck come from? -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:38:00] - in stratego and diplomacy there is a lot of luck (no dice though) in chess, there is none ~a
[2000-08-11 13:37:00] - There's no luck in Stratego and diplomacy. Luck is only really a factor when a dice or cards are used... -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:36:00] - There is luck in almost any game, but Stratego has far less than most board games. -BpemR
[2000-08-11 13:35:00] - Stratego has a lot of strategy to it as well as memorization. I don't see how luck factors in.... -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:18:00] - Stratego is one of the most strategic board games out there.... And frames rule! -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:16:00] - Stratego is only two people anyways. And despite the name it does involve significant luck. - Aaron
[2000-08-11 13:15:00] - I love Stratego, I also used to be real good, then no one played it with me anymore, so I got bad. -BpemR
[2000-08-11 13:14:00] - I can bring stratego if you guys want me to.... -Paul
[2000-08-11 13:07:00] - Stratego!