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[2001-03-24 16:34:00] - yes, but the prevented lots of other possible shootings.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:34:00] - How so? We have thousands of gun control laws on the books and none of them prevented any of these school shootings -paul

[2001-03-24 16:34:00] - blah.  i used to be a libertarian until i realized that it was a useless way of looking at the world (imho).  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:33:00] - The only reason we should have any law in the first place is that it accomplishes some good, right?  So they are the same argument. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 16:33:00] - how are they not working at all? -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:33:00] - hm.  that is also not true paul.  we are better off now than we would be if there were no gun control laws.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:33:00] - and we have a gazillion gun control laws.  they aren't working either. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:33:00] - Republicans have no desire for freedom.  They wish to control your life just as much as democrats. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:33:00] - in the closet democrat? hardly.  i am very open about being a democrat.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:32:00] - How about a different approach then: Whether or not we should have them, gun control laws don't work at all. -paul

[2001-03-24 16:32:00] - i could invite some of my anti-libertarian republican friends to post. :-) -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:32:00] - Anyone that would say that obviously does not know what libertarianism is. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:32:00] - I think you are an in the closet democrat :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 16:32:00] - because it's obviously not working  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:32:00] - please stop calling libretarians republicans.  that's not true at all. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:31:00] - It is already illegal to misuse a firearm.  Why not leave it at that? -logan

[2001-03-24 16:31:00] - libertarians are basically a subset of republicans  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:31:00] - I resent that, I am a libertarian, not a republican. -paul

[2001-03-24 16:31:00] - No, I am a libertarian. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:30:00] - kitchen knives are designed to slice and dice vegetables. guns are designed for killing. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:30:00] - you guys are in the closet republicans  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:30:00] - I just wish more people understood that regulation is never the solution. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:30:00] - i mean this is kind of like prohibition in a way.  if you restrict purchases of guns to people who obey the law, you open up a black market for them. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:29:00] - That's the whole point of 'personal responsibility.'  Not a manner of behaving, but simply having to accept the consequences of one's actions. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:29:00] - If trigger locks are required to be put on guns, I am sure that the majority of people are either gonna remove them (if possible) or unlock them and throw away the key -paul

[2001-03-24 16:28:00] - Thsoe that behave irresponsibly will suffer the consequences of their actions. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:28:00] - So if people don't have personal responsibility, what makes you think they're gonna keep the gun trigger locked? -paul

[2001-03-24 16:27:00] - They are restrictions on law-abiding citizens and business regarding legitimate transactions.  How do they in any way limit the illegitimate usage of firearms? -logan

[2001-03-24 16:27:00] - so?  kitchen knives can be pretty dangerous, can't they? - mig

[2001-03-24 16:27:00] - Lots of children kill themselves by ingesting stuff like cleaning detergent, why don't we force manufactureres to put child safety caps on stuff like that? -paul

[2001-03-24 16:27:00] - you guys seem to think that everyone is reliable enough to actually have personal responsibility . . .  and from observational research we can see that that's not true.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:27:00] - How are they good? -logan

[2001-03-24 16:26:00] - mig: i was pointing  that out because i think it's safe to assume that guns are more dangerous than bubblegum :) -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:26:00] - hey, i never said to put unreliable trigger locks on guns.  my statement was that guns need to have safety checks on them so that the chances of them being used for malicious puposes are decreased.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:26:00] - once again, it comes down to personal responsibility. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:26:00] - good things. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:26:00] - i think people have a right to own guns, so i wouldn't support anti-gun legislation. i just happen to think that things like nader's idea of gun licensing and bush's idea of gun locks and the rather general idea of waits and background checks as...

[2001-03-24 16:25:00] - so?  neither are a lot of things, but you can't restrict something just beacuse it has a chance of doing evil. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:25:00] - Nothing is inherently safe. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:25:00] - There is some question over the reliability of trigger locks, and they can interfere with legitimate, necessary use. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:25:00] - people are bad, mkay

[2001-03-24 16:24:00] - That's also part of my argument.  I guess you hear the latter more because it's more politically correct. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:24:00] - mig: guns certainly aren't "inherently safe" :p -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:24:00] - yeah, i don't hear "i inherently have a right to own this mechanical marvel" as much as "i want to be able to shoot intruders" :-) -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:24:00] - Aparna brought up an interesting point that trigger locks make sense no matter how you look at it, but the problem I have is when government tries to force gun manufacturers to put trigger locks on all guns -paul

[2001-03-24 16:23:00] - So I argue that guns are for self-protection, not because I believe self-protection is so necessary, but because I believe that we should not depend on government. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:22:00] - Well, I'm against the typical anti-gun argument of, "Why on earth do you need a gun?  The government will protect you!  You just want to shoot people indiscriminately!" -logan

[2001-03-24 16:22:00] - and most gun controls aruge that guns are "inherently dangerous".  I don't buy that either. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:22:00] - http://www.singinst.org/ -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:21:00] - i think guns are fun to shoot... but most gun-rights activists tend to argue about "guns for self protection", etc. i don't buy that. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:21:00] - bite me, doughboy

[2001-03-24 16:20:00] - Gun control is more for the authoritarian than for the lefty, although the two often go hand in hand. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:18:00] - er sight

[2001-03-24 16:18:00] - i think i got up to "first class" in target shooting competition -- with my neato .22 w/ peep site :) -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:18:00] - hm.  the post started off really well, but degenerated in the last paragraph.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:17:00] - nra ranking? -logan

[2001-03-24 16:16:00] - I assume he would be pro-gun control, since he is left of center -paul

[2001-03-24 16:16:00] - I had fun rigging CT polls once. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:15:00] - horray i fixed the text file! - mig

[2001-03-24 16:15:00] - however, i wish i had gone further in my nra ranking. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:14:00] - debating guns with me wouldn't be overly exciting. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:14:00] - Is josh pro gun? -logan

[2001-03-24 16:13:00] - Ugh. Sorry, I was asking for it with my horrendous mispelling of "could" -paul

[2001-03-24 16:11:00] - ugh.  baaad joke.  ;)  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:11:00] - ie?  i am using netscape.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:10:00] - cout?  #include <iostream.h>  ~a

[2001-03-24 16:10:00] - Josh is here now so we could restart the gun control debate :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 16:08:00] - god dammit.  why doesn't ie word wrap text files???? - mig

[2001-03-24 16:07:00] - I suppose you cout copy and paste to a text file and use word wrap -paul

[2001-03-24 16:05:00] - blah.  no new lines in that text file.  >:o  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:04:00] - http://mickeyj.dhs.org/makessense.txt a really awesome post i found on slashdot - mig

[2001-03-24 16:03:00] - boo... collegiate times! -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:03:00] - how about putting message functions up here near the text box -- stuff like "show all messages" and statistics"... seems sort of out of place under the friends list. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:01:00] - i just got called by a collegiate times foolio. -logan

[2001-03-24 15:53:00] - Well damn, you have me there :'( -paul

[2001-03-24 15:51:00] - red is for commies. -logan

[2001-03-24 15:51:00] - Thanks, much better now! -logan

[2001-03-24 15:49:00] - Red would still look better -paul

[2001-03-24 15:47:00] - nice.  it looks a lot better than the pink.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 15:46:00] - i like that color a lot  ~a

[2001-03-24 15:43:00] - i think the blue would look better if you flipped the two colors in your name bar at the top.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 15:42:00] - the new layout looks good now.  i like the really thin bar.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:46:00] - How about #335599 ? -logan

[2001-03-24 14:44:00] - Ok, I think that was a bad idea. *grin* -logan

[2001-03-24 14:40:00] - How about #aaccff? -logan

[2001-03-24 14:40:00] - I'll have to think of a more sophisticated shade of blue. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:39:00] - try #0f0f0f

[2001-03-24 14:39:00] - My sister is a democrat.  I like to make fun of her. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:38:00] - let me ask you this aparna, what if someone broke into my house and he has a gun, and i can't defend myself because of some democrats who have decided i have no right to have a gun? - mig

[2001-03-24 14:38:00] - But not all gun owners have children. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:38:00] - anyway, sorry to break this off, but aren't we supposed to be heading off to lunch now?  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:37:00] - It's all right to market trigger locks and the like to people that wish to protect their family, but also want to prevent the gun from being used by their kids, etc. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:37:00] - bleh.  i hate being the only democrat around here.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:37:00] - What if someone breaks into my house and already has their own gun?  I don't see how your hypothetical makes any difference. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:36:00] - How about 0000fe, then? :P -logan

[2001-03-24 14:36:00] - in that case, aparna, oh well, the thief got the best of me. - mig

[2001-03-24 14:36:00] - no.  i think that because they will help a great majority of the cases out there, they are better than the existing conditions.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:36:00] - logan, 0000ff is taken by vinnie who posts on and off  ~a

[2001-03-24 14:36:00] - I consider mandatory seatbelts to be a bad thing.  And the sneaky way at which that law was pushed on us really sickens me. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:36:00] - you can still choose not to wear a seat belt, but you can't choose to have a trigger lock. - mig

[2001-03-24 14:35:00] - because what if someone breaks into your house and uses your own gun agains you?  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:35:00] - The problem is that you wish to unilaterally apply your restrictions to everyone, regardless of whether those restrictions will help or harm them. It's inconsiderate, to say the least. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:34:00] - i don't think it is. - mig

[2001-03-24 14:34:00] - As a person without children, living alone, why should I have to have a trigger lock? -logan

[2001-03-24 14:34:00] - bleh.  there is a need for mandatory safety measures to exist.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:33:00] - i think mandatory trigger locks is the same thing as having mandatory seatbelts.  i know you probably don't, paul.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:33:00] - But an individual that wants to make or purchase an unrestricted firearm should be allowed to. -logan

[2001-03-24 14:33:00] - I think that such measures are a good idea for manufacturers and buyers to <em>voluntarily</em> choose... -logan

[2001-03-24 14:32:00] - you use it to bludgeon the other person.  i dunno.  you're smart.  figure something out.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:32:00] - Mandatory trigger locks? -paul

[2001-03-24 14:32:00] - What if the owner gets shot, and you need the gun to defend yourself? :P -logan

[2001-03-24 14:32:00] - that idea isn't too bad. - mig

[2001-03-24 14:32:00] - And it also automatically means that all males are disqualified from getting their color as the border, it's discrimination I tell you! -paul

[2001-03-24 14:31:00] - at least that was my impression.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:31:00] - Hmm, how would #0000FF look? -logan

[2001-03-24 14:31:00] - trigger locks make sure that only the owner of the gun can use the gun.  *shrug*  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:31:00] - That's a silly idea, then the border isn't based on merit, it's based on who you know :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 14:30:00] - but anyway, how do we make sure kid's don't get guns?  make sure no one has a gun? - mig

[2001-03-24 14:29:00] - perhaps, but then it would be forever red. - mig

[2001-03-24 14:29:00] - i think the border should be set to adrian's girlfriend's color.  :D  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:28:00] - I think the border should be set to whoever has the most overall posts :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 14:26:00] - or he could just get rid of you and then we'd have a maroon border!  :p  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:26:00] - you can have whatever color you want  ~a

[2001-03-24 14:25:00] - If adrian changed my color to red, we could have a red border. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 14:21:00] - http://www.brunching.com/toys/taxplan.html  <-- haha.  they made fun of dubya.

[2001-03-24 14:19:00] - http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/memento.html  <-- sounds like a cool movie.

[2001-03-24 14:19:00] - Hey, now. I didn't say anything about me being witty -paul

[2001-03-24 14:18:00] - :p

[2001-03-24 14:18:00] - Yes, my red is very pleasing to the eye. Unlike ugly shades of pink and brown and yellow -paul

[2001-03-24 14:18:00] - maroon is the best.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:18:00] - 2:40 sounds good to me.  i am sooooooooo hungry.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:18:00] - "i'm so pretty, oh so pretty, i'm so pretty, and witty and gay" sang paul.

[2001-03-24 14:17:00] - beautiful?

[2001-03-24 14:17:00] - I have a problem with the layout, the border is an ugly pink instead of a beautiful red :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 14:14:00] - 240 sounds fine with me  ~a

[2001-03-24 14:14:00] - ok . . . does anybody have any more changes to the new layout?  it almost works in 800x600 mode  ~a

[2001-03-24 14:14:00] - Um... Owens at 2:40? -paul

[2001-03-24 14:13:00] - I think children have more to do with child violence then video games. Let's ban them :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 14:13:00] - you decide paul  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:11:00] - hungry  ~a

[2001-03-24 14:10:00] - Alrighty, does anyone else want to eat? And when and where? -paul

[2001-03-24 14:08:00] - weapons access has a lot more to do with child violence than video games.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:07:00] - http://www.starnews.com/news/articles/videopm0323.html let freedom ring - mig

[2001-03-24 14:06:00] - and, paul, of course i was right.  ;)  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:05:00] - i'm interested in eating.  i am hungry!  -  aba

[2001-03-24 14:05:00] - http://www.everythingjake.com/comics/jake20010324.gif

[2001-03-24 14:00:00] - I don't suppose anyone is interested in eating a really late lunch, are they? -paul

[2001-03-24 13:44:00] - I see.  Maybe you could use a small icon to represent journal, etc.? -logan

[2001-03-24 13:41:00] - i am still working on it  ~a

[2001-03-24 13:34:00] - Hmm, another layout.  I'm not sure I like it as much. -logan

[2001-03-24 13:29:00] - You thought I would lie to you adrian? :-( -paul

[2001-03-24 13:29:00] - One of us could pretend to be bigdave for you. -logan

[2001-03-24 13:29:00] - Sorry, I was sleeping since I didn't get to sleep until aroun 5:00 am. I would have loved to talk to bigdave though :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 13:29:00] - He's like a cartoon character. -logan

[2001-03-24 13:28:00] - bigdave! -logan

[2001-03-24 13:26:00] - ya'll missed an exciting lunch with my wacky, right-wing, republican friend, bigdave :) -jdb

[2001-03-24 13:24:00] - http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story109368.html -logan

[2001-03-24 13:20:00] - thanks for being honest, paul :)  ~a

[2001-03-24 13:19:00] - It is porn, adrian. Don't visit the URL. -paul

[2001-03-24 13:13:00] - i found out who lolita is . . . @@@/lolita.txt ~a

[2001-03-24 12:58:00] - yawn  ~a

[2001-03-24 12:02:00] - bleh, i'm off to lunch ya lazy bums :) -jdb

[2001-03-24 11:37:00] - lunch anyone? -jdb

[2001-03-24 10:42:00] - http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/03/23/deals/wwf/ -jdb

[2001-03-24 10:24:00] - lolita? ooh la la :p -jdb

[2001-03-24 03:13:00] - goodnight adrian -paul

[2001-03-24 03:09:00] - good night paul and lolita  ~a

[2001-03-24 03:08:00] - i dunno who lolita is  ~a

[2001-03-24 02:57:00] - Lolita? -paul

[2001-03-24 02:56:00] - lolita

[2001-03-24 02:49:00] - Ok, cool. -paul

[2001-03-24 02:44:00] - yes . . . it did before it just didn't update the directory in real time  ~a

[2001-03-24 02:36:00] - Does the search thing look at every message posted then? -paul

[2001-03-24 02:32:00] - http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/03/23/ashcroft/index.html I'm sorry Aparna, you were right. -paul

[2001-03-24 02:28:00] - the directory search program has been changed . . . now the directory is automatically updated every time a message is posted  ~a

[2001-03-24 02:09:00] - You can also blame me since I spelled it wrong in the first place also -paul

[2001-03-24 00:21:00] - asdf

[2001-03-23 22:08:00] - haha.  aparna told me it was spelled congradulations.  i blame her.  :-D  ~a

[2001-03-23 22:01:00] - congratulations :)

[2001-03-23 21:57:00] - the 10000th post is post number 9999 posted by logan.  congradulations, logan!  ~a

[2001-03-23 21:51:00] - "09990 - 3-23 5:28p" - there is no denying xpovos.

[2001-03-23 17:47:00] - In which case we have a lot more posts to go. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:46:00] - Maybe he counts in octal, like Devin. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:46:00] - Why not just give $5 to Logan and Xpovos to make it even then -paul

[2001-03-23 17:45:00] - I see a 10000 next to xpovos's comment, unless adrian counts from 0. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:44:00] - Either Logan or Xpovos, not sure -paul

[2001-03-23 17:44:00] - If it is me, which it does look like, I say give it to Paul. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:43:00] - Looks like xpovos.

[2001-03-23 17:41:00] - Give the $10 to Paul.  He deserves it, since he's posted so much -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:40:00] - Congradulations Logan (I think) -paul

[2001-03-23 17:40:00] - You could try to arrange it, but it wouldn't work... as long as there is more than one person posting it could get messed up.  So I'd feel guilty if I was posting alone. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:39:00] - Because I'd then be able to arrange that I got 10000, and that's no fun. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:38:00] - Why would that make you feel guilty? -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:38:00] - I'd feel guilty if I looked at what number we're on right now. :P -logan

[2001-03-23 17:35:00] - http://aporter.dhs.org/?a=4&d=xpovos+is+gay -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:35:00] - You're not going to try for it? -logan

[2001-03-23 17:34:00] - Regardless, Phoenix shall deny your request. This shall be my last post until after the 10,000th post has been made -paul

[2001-03-23 17:34:00] - Yay, I got my first place back. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:31:00] - Phoenix is a servant to Xpovos, Xpovos decides when 500 years ends, without Xpovos Phoenix never dies/ nor revives. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:30:00] - Phoenix can deny xpovos because he is more powerful then xpovos -paul

[2001-03-23 17:28:00] - There is no denying Xpovos. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:28:00] - Your refutal is duly noted, and declined -paul

[2001-03-23 17:28:00] - I refuse to allow you to refuse to post. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:26:00] - I refuse to post and therefore justify your single-person posting -paul

[2001-03-23 17:26:00] - Aw, but now there's no one here for me to converse with...  It's not fair if I just post until we get there, I need some competition folks. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:24:00] - Who will get it? -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:24:00] - Only 17 more posts needed. -- Xpovos

[2001-03-23 17:19:00] - Bye everyone :-( -paul

[2001-03-23 17:18:00] - BBL. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:18:00] - I think I'll go home and code. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:17:00] - (headed outside) -jdb

[2001-03-23 17:14:00] - cya in a few -jdb

[2001-03-23 17:13:00] - bye you guys  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:13:00] - Bye, have fun at snatch -paul

[2001-03-23 17:13:00] - i have to go.  :(    i wish i could continue this discussion.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:12:00] - bleh

[2001-03-23 17:12:00] - Thailand sounds like a cool place to visit :-) -paul

[2001-03-23 17:12:00] - Well, that's foolish of them, but that's their prerogative.  Unless you deny that people should have ownership over their bodies. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:11:00] - why not?

[2001-03-23 17:11:00] - I don't think they need male prostitutes -paul

[2001-03-23 17:11:00] - with prostitution everywhere and no regulation there are tons of people who go to filthy, disease ridden whorehouses.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:11:00] - What we need here is a living wage... :-) -paul

[2001-03-23 17:10:00] - i want to be a prostitute. -jdb

[2001-03-23 17:10:00] - What's happened in Thailand? -logan

[2001-03-23 17:10:00] - If you leave restrictions like that, you're just going to get unrestricted black market institutions.  So you'll keep pimps and poor drug addicts around. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:10:00] - heh.  yeah.  look at what's happened in thailand.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:10:00] - A legitimate prostitution business has its reputation to look after. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:09:00] - You'd be foolish to be a customer of a whorehouse that doesn't at the very least institute measures guarding against disease. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:09:00] - That's a job for the prostitution union -paul

[2001-03-23 17:09:00] - some people are too desperate for money.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:09:00] - i think drug dealing sounds more appealing than whoring myself.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:09:00] - Why?  Just don't take the job if they don't provide it and you want it. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:09:00] - I imagine being a drug dealer would be more profitable anyway -paul

[2001-03-23 17:08:00] - i think the only way that prostitution should be legalized is if they institute safety measures such as mandatory std and pregnancy tests.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:08:00] - You could always be a drug dealer then for that matter -paul

[2001-03-23 17:08:00] - But since it's a black market thing currently, you're not going to get high-class very easily. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:08:00] - I don't know, I can imagine high-class prostitution actually being a very good job (if you don't mind having sex with strangers, that is). -logan

[2001-03-23 17:07:00] - I am indignant over the fact that my right to sell my body has been denied to me. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:07:00] - yuck

[2001-03-23 17:07:00] - prostitution also is a crappy job.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:07:00] - it should be! -logan

[2001-03-23 17:07:00] - he can always do an ip lookup.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:06:00] - probably not me or josh seeing as we're leaving soon.  -  aba

[2001-03-23 17:06:00] - Prostitution isn't legal -paul

[2001-03-23 17:06:00] - What if the identity of the 10000th poster isn't known? :P -logan

[2001-03-23 17:06:00] - We'll find out soon enough. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:05:00] - who's going to get the $10?

[2001-03-23 17:05:00] - There is always prostitution. -logan

[2001-03-23 17:05:00] - 9942

[2001-03-23 17:05:00] - ok.  i'll leave here in like 10 minutes or so.  i'll tell you.  :)  -  aba

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