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[2001-03-24 18:26:00] - Someone say something other then circumcision... -paul

[2001-03-24 18:21:00] - Ugh, I can't let this conversation end on such a note -paul

[2001-03-24 18:17:00] - circumcision

[2001-03-24 18:17:00] - Blood red, not communist red. -paul

[2001-03-24 18:16:00] - red!  :)  ~a

[2001-03-24 18:15:00] - Such ringing words of endorsement only serve to make me less willing to ask :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 18:14:00] - be brave paul, your liberal-socialist-commie-green friends believe in you. :) -jdb

[2001-03-24 18:13:00] - A valid point, it shall be considered. -paul

[2001-03-24 18:11:00] - paul is #1 again.

[2001-03-24 18:11:00] - we don't have to, by not asking questions and making your opinions known, you're throwing it away...

[2001-03-24 18:11:00] - doh

[2001-03-24 18:11:00] - your rights have been reveked  ~a

[2001-03-24 18:10:00] - I would like to see you try -paul

[2001-03-24 18:09:00] - if you're too much of a coward to ask questions, maybe we should revoke your rights to have an opinion :)

[2001-03-24 18:08:00] - but then again that's just a personal opinion. - mig

[2001-03-24 18:08:00] - Nope, I am too much of a coward. That's why I want you guys to ask :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 18:08:00] - yes, paul can talk the talk... but can he walk the walk?

[2001-03-24 18:07:00] - i personally don't like the way the stock market works. - mig

[2001-03-24 18:06:00] - "How can you in good conscious attack big corporations when you make millions off of them in the stock market?" -paul

[2001-03-24 18:04:00] - "Mr. Nader, can you please explain why you advocate a 'living wage' when it will result in either increased unemployment or higher prices for consumers?" -paul

[2001-03-24 18:04:00] - plus, that means we'll have to come up with questions during the talk - vinnie

[2001-03-24 18:03:00] - yeah, paul. you're much better at doing that than i am - vinnie

[2001-03-24 18:03:00] - i think paul should come up with questions to ask him ~a

[2001-03-24 18:03:00] - It's easy. Just listen to what he says, identify hypocrisy. Attack. -paul

[2001-03-24 18:01:00] - i am not very good at coming up with good questions - vinnie

[2001-03-24 18:00:00] - I think we should all come up with questions to ask him -paul

[2001-03-24 18:00:00] - el queso está viejo y prodido.  ¿Dónde esta el baño?

[2001-03-24 17:59:00] - i am going to nader now, thanks to josh - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:59:00] - hmmm, several people actually - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:58:00] - http://aporter.dhs.org/?a=4&d=fictitious

[2001-03-24 17:58:00] - who used <b>fictitious besides me? - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:58:00] - So is everyone here going to hear Nader speak? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:58:00] - use real words that aren't used very often, not fictitious ones - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:57:00] - ok, don't go overboard with it, miguel :) - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:56:00] - Poor search engine -paul

[2001-03-24 17:56:00] - ntahoutnoe tnaoheuntaoheu

[2001-03-24 17:56:00] - supercalifragilisticickspialiadocious! - mig

[2001-03-24 17:56:00] - ha ha ha, that is a cool feature homeboy! :P - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:56:00] - anyway, back to cs hw.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:55:00] - wah.  i am doomed to say everything everyone else says a second too late.  :(  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:55:00] - Well phoo.... :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:55:00] - i put it there for fun  ~a

[2001-03-24 17:55:00] - i see what it does, but why is that feature implemented, adrian? - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:55:00] - logan's messages scrolled off the bottom.  :)  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:54:00] - a bunch of logan's messages got kicked off the end  ~a

[2001-03-24 17:54:00] - maybe it's for searching?  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:54:00] - oh, probably means you added a new word for the search engine. And how did Aparna get to #1 when she hasn't posted anything? :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:54:00] - when i entered "finsih" and "dialogue" - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:53:00] - no, no, no. adrian's page gave a little message saying new word added - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:53:00] - For Japanese? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:52:00] - I'll stay here since I don't want to do my ECPE :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:52:00] - why the heck did a new words dialogue get added? - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:52:00] - Excellent, I can post libertarian propaganda without opposition :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:52:00] - awww, just as i finsih my homework, everyone is gone - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:51:00] - good, keep working until Monday :) - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:51:00] - well, i am going to go do my cs1104 homework now, so i might not post as often.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:50:00] - Working on it a little right now -paul

[2001-03-24 17:50:00] - haha.  well, logan's color was pink.  ;)  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:50:00] - Why would I want you to stop posting? Then I would have no one to talk to but Vinnie, and no one wants to talk to Vinnie :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:50:00] - did you work on your ecpe project, paul? - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:49:00] - I like my color too, but i prefer logan's. of course, i guess i should be grateful i don't have a color like josh's :P - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:49:00] - i can stop posting if you want, paul . . . .  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:48:00] - I like your blue better actually, Vinnie -paul

[2001-03-24 17:48:00] - wonder if I can get him to trade, since he was interested in my color - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:47:00] - logan's has a cooler color tham me :( - vinnie

[2001-03-24 17:47:00] - Exactly -paul

[2001-03-24 17:47:00] - Well, screw quality then. I have the most total posts and I always will -paul

[2001-03-24 17:47:00] - well, you are number one in *total* quantity.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:46:00] - i respectfully disagree :p

[2001-03-24 17:45:00] - That's ok, it's quality over quantity right? And I am undeniably first in quality :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:45:00] - i actually have no idea.  i am sorry paul.  :(  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:43:00] - Curses, do you realize how long it has been since I have been #1? :'( The mighty have fallen so low.... -paul

[2001-03-24 17:43:00] - Hey! How did you pass me up again? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:42:00] - but, paul, my maroon isn't the color of blood.  :p  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:41:00] - Excellent, the entire page will be bathed blood red! -paul

[2001-03-24 17:40:00] - that is why i should be at the top.  :)  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:39:00] - otherwise they clash  ~a

[2001-03-24 17:39:00] - on every page  ~a

[2001-03-24 17:39:00] - my brother and dad have been trying to call me on a cell phone and the signal keeps getting dropped.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:39:00] - :)  ~a

[2001-03-24 17:37:00] - Ack! The links will change color also? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:36:00] - brb  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:36:00] - then all of the links will be bright red  ~a

[2001-03-24 17:36:00] - Bye Logan. -paul

[2001-03-24 17:36:00] - Yay! With Logan gone I can ascend to my rightful place as #1 :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:36:00] - Later. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:34:00] - It seems to me that if the government stayed out of energy stuff like this we wouldn't have the problem of drilling for oil in Alaska so.... -paul

[2001-03-24 17:33:00] - When the weather is nice, I skate to places. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 17:33:00] - Hmmmmm, well I am pretty much in agreement with you on this issue Aparna. Although I don't know if the government should be worrying about it -paul

[2001-03-24 17:33:00] - well, oil prices are rising. - mig

[2001-03-24 17:33:00] - bye once again, logan  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:32:00] - Anyway, time to head to Mike's for some yummy food. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:32:00] - ever read about car sharing programs? -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:32:00] - go metro!  :p  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:31:00] - not a lot.  there are like two mainstream ones right now.  but they are hybrids and they aren't all that great.  we need total alternatives within the next 10 years.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:31:00] - I predict that, as it gets harder to find and obtain oil, prices will slowly rise.  At some point, alternatives will be able to afford to arrive.  And alternatives could be anything from fuel to forms of transportation. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:30:00] - I'll leave that to those with a vested interest in oil.  If they're smart, they will recognize the problem in time and pursue alternatives.  If they don't, someone outside the oil industry will. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:30:00] - I think you would be surprised, a lot of car companies have hybrid cars or alternative fuel cars already -paul

[2001-03-24 17:30:00] - wow, i just fired up msg board program -- pretty crazy stats :) -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:29:00] - There will be no interim period.  I predict a relatively smooth transition. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 17:29:00] - wouldn't it be a fuckload smarter to start thinking about it *now* instead of later?  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:29:00] - and in the interim period?  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:28:00] - the problem with alcohol is that it is more corrosive than petrol.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:28:00] - When we run out of oil, the industry will simply collapse and be replaced by something better. So I'm not concerned about running out of oil. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:28:00] - Yeah, supposedly the problems using gasoline were even greater then those with alcohol but since gasoline was cheaper the government went with short term gain and chose gasoline -paul

[2001-03-24 17:27:00] - i've heard the problem with alcohol is that it completely wrecks tank, but that can be fixed. - mig

[2001-03-24 17:26:00] - conspiracy stories of bush sr. getting junior lucrative oil contracts... and let's not forget the persian gulf war. -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:25:00] - Without government, the truly efficient would be used. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 17:25:00] - Well, I was referring to using alcohol instead of gasoline so that we could have complete combustion instead of the incomplete combustion we have now -paul

[2001-03-24 17:25:00] - the government is very closely linked to that petroleum sector... -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:24:00] - Why does the government have to be the only entity to research alternative fuels? It's more efficient for the private sector to do it (like Honda and Toyota have done) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:23:00] - the coal industry argues they're the most efficient :-) -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:23:00] - brb - aba

[2001-03-24 17:23:00] - Heh, that's the evil of government. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:23:00] - Actually, wasn't it the government that pushed the petroleum standard on us in the first place over more efficient fuels? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:22:00] - But don't forget that we also rely on petroleum for a lot of other things, like energy generation, heat, and plastics. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:22:00] - there are other car issues. checkout that article -- the paving issues. -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:22:00] - http://www.votenader.com/press/1020enviro_letter.html

[2001-03-24 17:22:00] - Cars don't really pollute all that much.  I think it's cars like mine that are responsible for almost all the pollution that results from cars.  They are one of the reasons for petroleum consumption, though, that's for sure. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:21:00] - http://www.gristmagazine.com/grist/maindish/brown030101.stm -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:21:00] - of course seeing as bush made his money off of texas oil, alternative fuel won't happen soon.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:20:00] - Well, if the government weren't so busy controlling our lives and stealing our money, we could invest more in such research (e.g., hempcar). -logan

[2001-03-24 17:20:00] - paul: don't forget one of our biggest problems -- the car issue! -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:20:00] - Ok, thanks for clarifying. I agree that it is a bit silly but it proves my point that the United States isn't nearly as environment hostile as everyone makes us out to be -paul

[2001-03-24 17:20:00] - seeing as we will be running out of our world supply of oil veryveryvery soon.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:20:00] - The whole problem rests in the fact that the government owns that land. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:19:00] - of course, we could attempt to stop using oil by putting research into using alternative more viable fuel sources.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:19:00] - paul: i think it is a silly comparison. -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:18:00] - You have to weigh the value of those animals against our need for oil, don't you? -logan

[2001-03-24 17:18:00] - not as far as i know.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:18:00] - There isn't a way to drill for oil without deforesting the area? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:17:00] - yes.  we will be detroying forest land which cuts down trees and destroys land which houses lots of different animals.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:17:00] - Um.... So were you supporting the info I gave Josh? :-) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:17:00] - No, I don't care about money, other than as a means.  I care about making my efforts worth my while, so that I can obtain what I really want as efficiently as possible. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:16:00] - Just out of curiosity, why is it bad to drill oil in the Alaskan wilderness? Will we be cutting down trees and stuff also? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:16:00] - just because the us isn't the worst, doesn't mean that it's not bad.  :\  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:16:00] - it's nice that gore is pro-environment, but i'm still against him on pretty much everything else, so that is why i do not support him - mig

[2001-03-24 17:16:00] - paul: china doesn't have much of an environmental infrastructure. they just started thinking about environmental issues 20 or so years ago. -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:16:00] - And if it requires little to no effort for me to recycle (or if someone pays me enough to make it worth my while) I will recycle. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:15:00] - Like China doesn't do anything practically to prevent pollution, whereas the US actually does a lot to cut down on pollution -paul

[2001-03-24 17:15:00] - blah.  all you care about is the money logan.  >:o  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:15:00] - Proportionally to economy size I think (which is very iffy since it's hard to say exactly what constitutes size of economy) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:14:00] - I do see recycling being profitable for a few select materials (I think).  I don't know if any advances have been made in that regard. -logan

[2001-03-24 17:14:00] - proportionally to population or what?  ~a

[2001-03-24 17:13:00] - I say the federal government should sell all land that it owns (including wilderness preserves), and, if some oil company offers a better price than environmentalists can offer, they'll get it. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 17:13:00] - I remember reading that China proportionally pollutes a lot more then we do considering that our economy is so much bigger then theirs (for now) -paul

[2001-03-24 17:12:00] - because it is almost always profitable in the long run to recycle.  what we do now has huge impacts on our environment in the future.  i am sorry you don't see that (or don't care about that).  :(  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:12:00] - aba: it doesn't matter! rapture is going to occur before anything matters :p -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:12:00] - I don't know if America is any less environment friendly then other countries, we may be the biggest polluter but proportionally I think there are other bigger ones -paul

[2001-03-24 17:12:00] - If you leave the profit motive intact, if it ever becomes economical to recycle, recycling will occur.  Until then, why should we recycle? -logan

[2001-03-24 17:11:00] - That's true, Japan is awesome in that regard, I wish we could be as efficient as they are but the fact is we don't have the same restrictions as they do -paul

[2001-03-24 17:11:00] - but culture here just doesn't try to promote eco-awareness.  the one thing that i really liked about gore that he was heavily pro-environment.  do you guys realize that bush wants to get oil from alaskan wilderness preserves???  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:10:00] - http://www.aynrand.org/academic/undergrad.html -jdb

[2001-03-24 17:09:00] - hm.  i disagree with that too, paul.  you could have a successful economy that put an emphasis on recycling and packaging in biodegradable containers, etc.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:08:00] - I mean we are in most regards the most advanced and powerful economy on Earth, so it makes sense that we create more trash -paul

[2001-03-24 17:08:00] - I just thought of a political essay I need to write. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 17:08:00] - god dammit i meant to say more than libretarians do - mig

[2001-03-24 17:08:00] - Those are the unfortunate byproducts of being a successful economy I think -paul

[2001-03-24 17:07:00] - personally i think the american society emphasizes "every man for himself"than libretarians do. - mig

[2001-03-24 17:06:00] - not the whole thing.  just parts of it.  like the disposable culture.  we create a lot more trash than we should be.  :\  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:05:00] - So you just don't like American society? -paul

[2001-03-24 17:04:00] - I guess so, a socialist government would tend to encourage a society like that I suppose -paul

[2001-03-24 17:03:00] - no, not laws.  it's a way of life.  part of the culture.  everythings' very different from the american way of life.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:03:00] - well, you can decrease the incentive to do so with laws. - mig

[2001-03-24 17:02:00] - You can't make laws that force people to not want new stuff and use their imagination.... -paul

[2001-03-24 17:01:00] - In a socialist country, there is no pressure to succeed or anything.... but I don't think that would make people less greedy or want to put more emphasis on learning and imagination -paul

[2001-03-24 17:01:00] - bette = better. - mig

[2001-03-24 17:01:00] - i think the problem is that our country has this mentality that "bigger" and "newer" automatically means bette, which is not always the case. - mig

[2001-03-24 17:01:00] - not socialist country.  that's just because of the laws and stuff.  a lot of countries are like that.  unfortunately, it won't be for much longer.  :\  the american way of life is infiltrating everything.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 17:00:00] - You could be right, but I don't see how being in a socialist country can affect how a person thinks like that.... -paul

[2001-03-24 16:59:00] - it's a different way of looking at things.  totally different.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:59:00] - i don't think that's it at all.  my parents just put more of an emphasis on learning and using your imagination than on whether we had the newest hottest toy out there.  they could have afforded more than we had.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:57:00] - The only reason things are different in socialists countries is because people tend to be less prosperous and they can't afford to buy stuff that they want -paul

[2001-03-24 16:56:00] - I think that's just a result of being prosperous... when you have money and can afford stuff you want to buy things. -paul

[2001-03-24 16:56:00] - bye logan  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:55:00] - ".  (oops)  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:55:00] - prosperous?  no.  they are very into this idea of "gimme

[2001-03-24 16:55:00] - I need to take a shower.  bbl. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:54:00] - Then don't be a consumer.  It's pretty simple. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 16:54:00] - So you don't like the fact that Americans are so prosperous? I'm confused :-( -paul

[2001-03-24 16:54:00] - i think i'd like to move back to america later, but i'd go batty if i had to live here without ever going anywhere else.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:53:00] - Some people enjoy being mothered by the nanny state. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 16:53:00] - i don't like italy at all.  they are pretty conservative down there. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:53:00] - i don't really like this totally consumerist culture.  i dunno.  when i was younger, my brother and i never had that many toys to play with, yet we were a lot better off than the kids i see throwing tantrums in toy stores.  *shrug*  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:52:00] - Some people are afraid of the responsibility that freedom entails. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:51:00] - We only have one party to choose from. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 16:51:00] - mig: move to italy :-) -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:51:00] - Don't move Aparna, why do you hate the United States so much? Do you really not like the freedoms that Americans have over Europeans? :'( -paul

[2001-03-24 16:50:00] - I believe that diversity is the key to efficiency, and that government is all about eliminating diversity (of people, ideas, opinions, etc.).  Government is about conformity and power. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:50:00] - om. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:50:00] - the nice thing about eurpope is that they actually have somewhat of a choice for what government they have.  they are like dozens of different parties to choose from over there.  we're the only "democratic" nation that has only 2 parties to choose fr

[2001-03-24 16:50:00] - you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need

[2001-03-24 16:50:00] - canada!

[2001-03-24 16:49:00] - i'd rather live somewhere like the netherlands.  i might move after i graduate.  i'm not really sure yet.  but i'm pretty sure i won't stay here forever.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:49:00] - I enjoy the prosperity of the us, as well as what freedoms I still have.  I just wish to have all those freedoms that are denied me as well, and also prevent what freedoms I do have from being taken away. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:49:00] - France has had a socialist leaning government for a long time and they are one of the most stagnant countries in Europe -paul

[2001-03-24 16:48:00] - Britain also has a very robust society and economy and until recently they also had a very right leaning government -paul

[2001-03-24 16:48:00] - Communism is a subset of socialism.  Democracy is a mechanism, not an ideology. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:47:00] - The biggest economy in Europe is Germany, who until recently had one of the most rightist governments in Europe -paul

[2001-03-24 16:47:00] - socialism != communism.  democracy != communism.

[2001-03-24 16:47:00] - but anyways, i don't know about you guys... but i enjoy all of the benefits of living in the united states. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:47:00] - and it has democratic ones too. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:46:00] - If we had a government that passed lots of laws that would protect people and help other people, we would be a communism. And we all saw that it doesn't work -paul

[2001-03-24 16:46:00] - http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/ -logan

[2001-03-24 16:46:00] - europe?  europe has lots of socialist countries.  i am totally about moving to europe and leaving america.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:46:00] - i don't entirely disagree with that stuff logan, i just have a different approach for getting there. -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:45:00] - I can make some very utilitarian arguments for anarchocapitalism. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:45:00] - once again, if he we have so many laws that "protect" us, why do we have so many problems, while in europe, these laws don't exist, they have so little problems? - mig

[2001-03-24 16:45:00] - i tend to be very utilitarian in my thinking -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:45:00] - I'd rather private entities help people (and I believe that private entities are the only efficient means to help or protect others), than have the force of government do so rather efficiently at the expense of freedom and the economy. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:45:00] - Ever since the war on poverty started, poverty has increased. Ever since the war on drugs started, drug use has increased etc. -paul

[2001-03-24 16:45:00] - i think the purpose behind having a country/state at all is for thinking about it's consituents as a "mass of people" rather than a "set of individuals" -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:45:00] - i dunno yo.  i think you'd find a lot of people on welfare, medicare and medicaid who'd say that those things make their lives a whole fuckload better.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:44:00] - It's because libertarians realize that the government does more harm then good with these laws -paul

[2001-03-24 16:44:00] - The laws libertarians wish to get rid of are those that infringe on personal freedom. I think we would disagree on what we would call "protection" from the government. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:43:00] - most of our laws don't do squat other than make problems that exist already much much worse. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:43:00] - Rather than imposed altruism by the government, those that actually desire to be altruistic are more free to do so.  It actually results in more efficient charity. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:42:00] - Whoever posted that, thank you. You have proven my point very well. -paul

[2001-03-24 16:42:00] - I don't think you understand libertarianism very well.  "To each his own" is not the same as saying "every man for himself."  It is simply a desire for freedom. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:42:00] - all of the laws that they want the govt to get rid of our laws that help or protect other people.  *shrug*  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:42:00] - I think the opposite is true, libertarians want everyone to be free to do what they want, not be oppressed by some government -paul

[2001-03-24 16:42:00] - - Adolph Hitler, 'Berlin Daily', April 15, 1935

[2001-03-24 16:41:00] - "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

[2001-03-24 16:41:00] - that's not true either, at least not of me.  i do care about other people. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:41:00] - You should read The Machinery of Freedom, by David Friedman. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:41:00] - i wouldn't go so far as to promote anarchy, but i say boo to stupid laws. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:41:00] - i think the real problem that i have with libertarians is that they don't seem to care about anyone other than themselves.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:40:00] - You people simply don't understand anarchocapitalism. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:40:00] - Why? Did he believe that gun control laws were bad also? -paul

[2001-03-24 16:40:00] - the university owns my dorm.  the government does not own my home at NoVA. - mig

[2001-03-24 16:40:00] - paul: you should read some adolf hitler writings :) -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:40:00] - I was treating it analagous to, say, an owner of a bar demanding that you check your guns at the door, that sort of thing. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:39:00] - boo to laws! yay anarchy. yay survival of the fittest. woe to the weak. woe to the poor!

[2001-03-24 16:39:00] - And I was hesitant to make that previous statement because the university is a state university, but I didn't want to over-complicate the issue. :P -logan

[2001-03-24 16:38:00] - But the government does not own my property. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:38:00] - The United States has proportionally a much higher crime rate then European countries and other developed places, gun control laws obviously aren't working -paul

[2001-03-24 16:38:00] - I understood you, Aparna, I just simply disagree.  I think we would be better off without any of the existing or proposed laws. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:38:00] - logan.  if you changed the school, to the govt in your post, then you'd be saying exactly what i am saying.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:38:00] - how are we better off now?  crime is up, and all these school shootings are happening? - mig

[2001-03-24 16:37:00] - I can see that it's probably quite a hassle for those that enjoy hunting and are forced to live on campus, though. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:37:00] - I disagree that we are better off now then we would be with none of them -paul

[2001-03-24 16:37:00] - Well, it's the school's right to make that rule.  I don't think that, without that rule, we'd see shootings. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:36:00] - think about it.  are you going to go rob someone if there is a strong possibility that person is going to be armed? - mig

[2001-03-24 16:36:00] - i never said all of our gun control laws were good.  just that we are better off now than we would be without any of them.  you guys don't read what i say well enough.  -  aba

[2001-03-24 16:36:00] - I used to be a republican until I realized that there was a party out there that actually wanted more freedom for people -paul

[2001-03-24 16:35:00] - So it can be argued rather effectively that we are worse off with the laws we already have. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:35:00] - what do ya'll think about guns on campus? (currently forbidden in dorm rooms, even if you do have a permit) -jdb

[2001-03-24 16:35:00] - There are arguments that, if there were fewer restrictions on carrying concealed weapons, there would be less violent crime.  And there are positive correlations regarding this. -logan

[2001-03-24 16:35:00] - How? If someone wants to get a gun, they can get it illegally. -paul

[2001-03-24 16:35:00] - criminals have very easy access to firearms.  law abiding citizens are sidetracked by the g.c. laws right now. - mig

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