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[2011-07-05 16:31:37] - This sounds bad but do yall know if SYTYCD is available online somewhere? I might check less reputable sites online from home but was curious if yall knew. Our DVR hard drive died so all the episodes recorded while Andrea was out of town poofed. -Daniel
[2011-07-05 16:23:08] - Kristin Chenoweth was the WORST. I can't see how Carmen Electra could be more annoying than her - vinnie
[2011-07-05 16:09:52] - Stephen: I see your point, but I guess I find its rare to actually have a guest judge that critiques, yea Im not thrilled with the guest judges since they are all just there to promote something they are doing and tend to just love everything... ~g
[2011-07-05 16:05:06] - paul: yes that's true, my realtor helped me with that, but i think a lot of that stuff was based on laws (such as radon testing laws) - aaron
[2011-07-05 15:55:24] - g: I also watch for the dancing, but it'd be nice to actually learn a bit about dancing while watching the show. At this point, I watch about 30 minutes of the 3 hours the show is on the air. That's pretty crazy. - Stephen
[2011-07-05 15:48:51] - Stephen: really? I mean who cares about the guest judges... I watch for the dancing, and half the time I fast forward the judges critiques anyway... ~g
[2011-07-05 15:44:11] - SYTYCD people: Carmen Electra is the guest judge this week. I think this may be the straw that broke the camel's back (i.e. I may have to stop watching). - Stephen
[2011-07-05 15:43:37] - Aaron: Shouldn't your realtor help walk you through that? When I bought my place, I felt like my realtor did a good job explaining what was standard and what wasn't. -Paul
[2011-07-05 15:00:09] - paul: without those kinds of protections in place, i could have made worse decisions. so yeah i'm not necessarily saying, "everybody should have to pay into a system they don't support", i'm just saying, for people who aren't educated enough (like i was about home ownership) the government should do what it can to facilitate good decisions - aaron
[2011-07-05 14:59:12] - paul: but yeah, i mean to draw an analogy (don't give me that face!! i haven't drawn an analogy in awhile) when i was buying a house, i didn't realize that like, i needed to consider a radon inspection, or that i was guaranteed a home inspection, and they made me sign things saying stuff like, "OK, radon inspection is a good idea, but fuck it let's roll the dice" - aaron
[2011-07-05 14:56:29] - daniel: i agree it wouldn't be very aggressive, maybe it would just be 4% that people are allowed to invest however they want, like an IRA or 401k or something, but you get the idea - aaron
[2011-07-05 14:54:30] - paul: i think having some sort of "opt out" form organized in some way which guaranteed they were opting out for the right reason, would be good enough. i guess i'm imagining all of these programs as public options, and you could opt out of them as long as you had proof that you had some sort of a private plan which provided comparable benefits - aaron
[2011-07-05 14:46:50] - g: i must admit I do not know very much about the details of the case, other than some little girl died, and the trial was a media frenzy. - mig
[2011-07-05 14:43:38] - Casey Anthony has been determined to be innocent, on all counts... except some misdemeanors on lying to police... Anyone have thoughts? ~g
[2011-07-05 14:39:08] - aaron: Would it be "throw you in jail" mandatory or would there be a tax on people who didn't want to pay 4% into their 401(k) similar to the individual mandate in Obamacare? -Paul
[2011-07-05 14:18:42] - aaron: the main problem with social security is that it's not really a fund at all. It's simply a wealth transfer from those who are working to those who are retired. - mig
[2011-07-05 14:11:10] - aaron: a not for profit credit union? If you are intending this to be a retirement supplement thats probably ok, but if its supposed to cover someone's retirement it would need to be more aggressive probably(stocks), but that starts to get towards the idea of privatizing social security I think. -Daniel
[2011-07-05 14:06:27] - xpovos: and i'm similarly in favor of some kind of "mandatory minimum health insurance" and "mandatory education", again, just some bare minimum that everybody pays because a lot of people aren't educated enough to understand why they need health insurance - aaron
[2011-07-05 14:04:12] - i don't know enough about social security to say what it does poorly, but if i were implementing it i'd probably just make it something like a mandatory 4% 401k donation each year, invested in a not-for-profit credit union, which which you wouldn't be eligible to spend until you were beyond 80% of your life expectancy (presumably age 65 or so) - aaron
[2011-07-05 14:01:25] - xpovos: i agree with your negative sentiment on social security, although honestly i am somewhat in favor of the "mandatory retirement fund" kind of idea which social security promotes (if i understand it correctly) - aaron
[2011-07-05 13:44:15] - aaron: Well, it's not exact. Employers pay taxes as an insurance premium and the state pays the benefit to the individual. But that's close enough to a genuine insurance program for me to not consider it charity. -- Xpovos
[2011-07-05 13:08:07] - xpovos: oh that's interesting, i was surprised at first that you don't consider unemployment benefits charity on some level. i didn't realize employers paid those. alright that all makes sense to me - aaron
[2011-07-05 13:06:05] - Unemployment benefits, education and imprisonment, and the bulk of Social Security, are not charity. Social Security is a ponzi scheme of a retirement fund, but not charity. Unemployment benefits are predominantly paid for by insurance premiums from employers and education and imprisonment are (or are arguably) proper roles of the state. -- Xpovos
[2011-07-05 13:04:45] - But to at least try to answer the question, I would consider welfare and food stamps to be government charitiy, I'd also consider some social security (e.g. the disability side) to be charity. And to be safe and make sure I take your meaning properly, I'd consider emergency room care health coverage charity as well, unless the individual pays for it, obviously.
[2011-07-05 13:02:51] - aaron: That's an excellent question, and I think you use it to make a good point. In the end, we are talking about degrees here. I mean, we have people robbing banks for $1 in order to go to jail to get healthcare, right? -- Xpovos
[2011-07-05 12:54:06] - a: That's worse videography than the Blair Witch Project. You need to find a new cameraman in order for your videos to go viral.
-Paul[2011-07-05 12:43:09] - vinnie: wow i never caught that it was the percentage that had doubled, that makes it way more impressive! go america! - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:40:19] - hey, system of a down yells real evidence. did you know the percentage of americans in the prison system has doubled since 1985? - vinnie
[2011-07-05 12:38:48] - paul: but yeah, increased sympathy - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:38:22] - paul: what i meant by "poor or stupid" is that some people don't have things like, for example, health insurance because they can't afford them. and some people don't have health insurance because they invested all of their money trying to breed parrots but then spent 3 weeks doing crystal meth and all the parrots died because they didn't feed them - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:26:07] - aaron: So it's a matter of increased sympathy for the poor (and possibly stupid) then? -Paul
[2011-07-05 12:25:04] - mig: oh i love that stuff. that's awesome. yeah i'm in favor of some drug legislation, such as age restrictions, and DUI laws. i think the government should draw a distinction between bad drivers (who maybe just can't help it) and impaired drivers, but beyond that yeah i'm not in favor of heavy-handed drug sentencing, i don't think many people are - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:21:39] - aaron: there's also like, real evidence, too. - mig
[2011-07-05 12:17:20] - mig: i agree, that's the system that seems to produce the best results overseas. i think system of a down yelled that at me once - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:16:23] - paul: i was pretty sheltered as a kid, and as i've grown older, (partially due to the internet) i've made friends with people crossing social strata or different countries and i understand that not everybody was given the same opportunities i was as a kid - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:15:34] - aaron: maybe we should just legalize all drugs, and kind of deal with it like we deal with alcoholics? - mig
[2011-07-05 12:14:12] - g: yeah i guess my point being that, no matter what, drug addicts are going to be a drain on society. maybe programs like welfare will help them reform and they'll be less of a drain? but the US gov't is still going to be spending money helping addicts lead a drug addict lifestyle - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:13:31] - Aaron: Which is interesting, because I think they stereotype is that people become more conservative (damn the poor and stupid!) as they get older. -Paul
[2011-07-05 12:11:57] - xpovos: i agree on some level, but i think as i've gotten older i've become more sympathetic towards people who are just too poor or stupid (pairing those two items makes me sound like an awful person but there it is), too poor or stupid to allot money for things like insurance, education or retirement - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:10:03] - xpovos: i understand the sentiment, although which programs would you consider government charity - things like welfare, social security, emergency care, education, unemployment benefits and (in some cases) imprisonment? - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:09:05] - aaron: no, and thats a good point. I guess I would be hoping that the need to feed themselves would be incentive to stop taking drugs, although depending on how its implemented it might be stay sober for a month get on welfare then do whatever you want... and its entirely possible it will be deemed unconstitutional. ~g
[2011-07-05 12:05:28] - g: This is one of the reasons I'm so adamantly against government charity. It's one thing for an individual, or even a church or other charity to say, "you're using out help to hurt yourself, we need to cut you off until you are in a better position to help yourself". It's basically impossible for the government to say that. -- Xpovos
[2011-07-05 12:04:14] - g: also because democrats are cat people - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:03:49] - well "free puppies" may be a bad way to put it. Maintaing a dog can get very expensive. - mig
[2011-07-05 12:03:17] - g: sadly the "free puppies for vets" bill got defeated in the house of representatives, because they have a strict no pets policy, and nobody wanted to build a doghouse of representatives - aaron
[2011-07-05 12:01:23] - hehe the free puppies for veterans is interesting, cause I can see the rational.. Help them reconnect to the world by having a pet who loves them unconditionally but... an odd concept. ~g
[2011-07-05 12:00:36] - g: hmm, what about other government programs, like hospitals? do you think hospitals should deny emergency treatment to citizens who are confirmed to be suffering from symptoms of illegal drug use? - aaron
[2011-07-05 11:57:13] - anywho, to be disagreeable I agree with the concept but strongly believe the implementation will fail. ~g
[2011-07-05 11:56:45] - Xpovos: People on welfare should be executed if they use drugs! Does that work? -Paul
[2011-07-05 11:56:45] - aaron: are those real bills/campaigns? I dont remember hearing anything about that. ~g
[2011-07-05 11:56:18] - a: "non-disabled people who are drug addicts probably wont be able to stay on welfare anyways" can you explain that to me? I guess I dont know much about welfare but why wouldnt they stay on? ~g
[2011-07-05 11:55:23] - aaron: I think the rational is, taxpayers should not be paying for this drug addict to get high. Paying to ensure that people can live an acceptable life is okay, but if they are going to throw it away then we wont support them. ~g
[2011-07-05 11:55:01] - Quick, where's Paul? -- Xpovos
[2011-07-05 11:54:25] - Wow. Near universal agreement from the mboard. -- Xpovos
[2011-07-05 11:51:16] - as adrian points out, drug addicts who are irresponsible will have a hard time not getting cut off from welfare anyways. - mig
[2011-07-05 11:40:46] - It seems like just political pandering to me. "GRRRR, WE CONSERVATIVES ARE TOUGH ON THEM SOCIAL DEVIANTS" - mig
[2011-07-05 11:38:59] - like gw sr's "free puppies for veterans" bill, or al gore's failed "summertime is fun" campaign - aaron
[2011-07-05 11:37:57] - g: i guess intuitively it makes sense like, "oh we shouldn't pay welfare to drug addicts", so maybe it was intended to be one of those fluff laws to make people happy. hey, look, we're creating jobs (drug clinics) and keeping welfare recipients off drugs, it's win win right? - aaron
[2011-07-05 11:34:46] - g: yeah i don't understand why drug testing would be specific to welfare recipients. i guess in an idealistic standpoint i could understand the idea of like, mandatory drug testing for all citizens, or drug testing to retain citizenship, or something like that?? which i also don't agree with but at least conceptually it makes more sense to me - aaron
[2011-07-05 11:25:05] - g: I dislike it. I mean, I dislike government welfare in general, but if you're going to have it, tying it to other social agendas is a recipe for a disastrous program instead of just a bad one. -- Xpovos
[2011-07-05 11:24:50] - non-disabled people who are drug addicts probably wont be able to stay on welfare anyways. im against it because its just political nonsense. ~a
[2011-07-05 11:09:29] - My concern is that there will end up being drug free people who offer to get your welfare for your kids for a cut... Meaning the kids end up with less... Punishing the children for the issues their parents have. ~g
[2011-07-05 11:07:58] - What do people think about mandatory drug tests to get on welfare? Apparently Florida is enacting this now, and in Michigan it was ruled unconstitutional in 2003. ~g
[2011-07-05 01:00:35] - (omg, haha. that's an awesome random title
) i'll be in massachusetts on aug 5, sorry. ~a[2011-07-04 12:38:35] - http://5z8.info/killallimmigrants_z3g2oi_nakedgrandmas.jpg anybody have any interest in seeing lucky date/boyz noize/vaski@ibiza in washington dc on aug. 5? - aaron
[2011-07-03 17:57:02] - someone put me up on the U tubes ~a
[2011-07-01 14:02:55] - I'm aging backwards like Benjamin Button so it makes sense to say Happy Birthday backwards to me as well. -Daniel
[2011-07-01 13:53:00] - I would have sworn the title yesterday was "happy birthday daniel" cause I remember reading it and being like, someone fixed the word order... but its no longer his bday... looking at the title log it appears my brain was playing tricks on me ~g
[2011-07-01 13:47:53] - g: i didn't click it either, i just saw it on web.archive.org. maybe.... maybe i'll click it at home. i'm 99% sure it's just going to be some web.archive.org 404 anyways - aaron
[2011-07-01 13:21:59] - g: Invites got shut down again? Apparently fairly soon after I got mine. If they come back up I'll let you know. -Daniel
[2011-07-01 13:20:06] - Daniel: want to invite me? I will check it out then... ~g
[2011-07-01 12:52:30] - aaron: no way I am clicking that link... that just looks dangerous. ~g
[2011-07-01 12:11:47] - Yeah I'm not sure I even tried out buzz though I guess everyone sort of did since it piggybacked on your gmail account I think? Yeah I don't do much with my facebook either but there is a bit of novelty with google+ for me but who knows how long it will last. -Daniel
[2011-07-01 11:59:50] - Daniel: I have enough trouble figuring out (and maintaining) my facebook account. No way I am going to be eager to jump on the Google+ bandwagon (especially considering my experience with Buzz). - Grumpy Old Man... aka -Paul
[2011-07-01 11:31:12] - Anyone else trying out google+? I got an invite and poked around but I'm not sure that its awesome or anything yet. -Daniel
[2011-07-01 10:52:16] - a: oh man. aporter.dhs.org/fun/east/salt/behead/porn/kids/beaver/? dude you're on all sorts of watchlists now - aaron
[2011-07-01 10:51:01] - it probably wouldn't work as well today, now that search engines are smarter about recognizing content farms. but - maaaaybe - aaron
[2011-07-01 10:50:23] - http://web.archive.org/web/20010502045416/aporter.dhs.org/fun/ ah here it is. it was a generated folder of folders with arbitrary names from a dictionary. google spidered it, and adrian got traffic from people searching for certain things on google. aporter/fun was one of the top results for "android handjob" for example - aaron
[2011-07-01 10:46:01] - the android handjob in joke goes waaaaay back to when adrian had some generated content under http://aporter.org/fun/ (iirc)... i can tell you about it later - aaron
[2011-07-01 10:24:35] - gurkie: Thanks. Huuuh. Well, that actually explains a lot of the topics of conversation that I've completely missed over the past few days. -- Xpovos
[2011-07-01 10:18:49] - mig: Belike. Mayhaps it's time for some ink of the octopus therapy? -- Xpovos
[2011-07-01 09:59:02] - xpovos: there was a link written in on one of the panels, including that line... ~gurkie
[2011-07-01 09:44:28] - xpovos: you still have too much kraken on the brain, methinks. - mig
[2011-07-01 09:42:37] - Squid -> android handjobs? -- Xpovos
[2011-06-30 15:55:34] - xpovos: the android thing is from the image daniel posted... ~g
[2011-06-30 15:21:36] - g: No, but you have to go digging. It's part of a larger conversation about properly formed tags in HTML vs. XML and the like. In that, aaron posted a link, which I'm still not going to call him on. That, and I found no reference to android handjobs. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-30 15:06:43] - crap, not subtitle but... random quote? ~g
[2011-06-30 15:06:31] - wait... did the subtitle change since aaron said no one called him on his URL? ~g
[2011-06-30 09:16:26] - a:
i think it was too subtle nobody really called me on the bogus source URL - aaron[2011-06-29 21:30:46] - aaron: i didn't know about the fuck tld. also i'm not sure what tcp port httx is on. i do remember the android handjobs though.
~a[2011-06-29 21:08:11] - vinnie: actually that picture is what made me mention cars 2 in the first place! circle of life - aaron
[2011-06-29 21:07:47] - daniel: yes i drew that a little! ahhaha - aaron
[2011-06-29 21:07:01] - daniel: ahhahahahaha waaaaait where did you find that? - aaron
[2011-06-29 21:06:38] - http://imgur.com/a/xFmQ2 dramatic uno - aaron
[2011-06-29 16:09:54] - daniel: hahaha, that's good. he probably wishes he had - vinnie
[2011-06-29 15:55:05] - aaron: Did you draw this? http://imgur.com/HIiEM -Daniel
[2011-06-29 15:14:20] - aaron: http://i.imgur.com/9FuaF.png - vinnie
[2011-06-29 14:33:05] - xpovos: I lean towards that perspective as well, though I can see certain sc justices taking the senate dems view. The wording of section 4 of the amendment does unfortunately leave it more open to broad interpertation. - mig
[2011-06-29 14:22:10] - The problem is that they can't really enforce that without passing a new and balanced budget. They're implicitly authorizing greater debt as long as they do so. So, the Senate Dems heading down this path aren't completely baseless. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-29 14:20:51] - mig: No one's questioning that we'll pay the existing debt. Well... OK, we probably are, particularly if we count unfunded future liabilities in with the debt. But this isn't an issue of current debt, but future. Congress has every right (Constitutional and otherwise) to deny itself the ability to spend more money and create new debt above any limit it chooses. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-29 13:47:23] - http://news.yahoo.com/debt-ceiling-unconstitutional-160734701.html does the 14th amendment mean the debt ceiling is unconstitutional? this question will probably never be brought up before the scotus but it's interesting to think about. - mig
[2011-06-29 13:34:15] - i suppose that's probably always the relationship between studios and distributors though, so that's not necessarily anything good about pixar or bad about disney. but i guess pixar is well-known enough that maybe they're able to "pull back" harder than other smaller studios are- aaron
[2011-06-29 13:27:44] - xpovos: yeah, i heard there's historically been a lot of push and pull between pixar (who typically wants to make cool movies) and disney (who typically wants to make profitable movies), and i've heard of disney saying things like, we'll make TS2 whether you want us to or not, because you're under contract - stuff like that - aaron
[2011-06-29 12:50:21] - aaron: Probably because most animated films are marketed for kids, and kids will watch anything, so why bother to pay even the writers? We've got the IP, let's print some money. Which is why Pixar did better in that regard, TS2 was much better (relative to TS1 and absolutely) than Return of Jafar, e.g. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-29 10:03:53] - xpovos: and it's funny because i feel like the "meh sequel" thing should be less true for animated movies, since you don't have to worry as much about actors coming back. who's going to really care if littlefoot has a different voice actor. but i feel like it's even more true, most animated sequels are just terrible direct-to-video garbage - aaron
[2011-06-29 10:01:08] - xpovos: oops sorry, i meant rotten tomatoes. metacritic scored it 92, 88, and 92. so i guess maybe it supports your point a little better
- aaron[2011-06-29 10:00:34] - xpovos: the toy story series scored 100, 100, and 99 on metacritic respectively so i don't know if it's a good example of a "meh sequel", but i understand your point - aaron
[2011-06-29 09:11:28] - Here's the thing. Cars wasn't bad. It just wasn't "Pixawersome". I haven't seen Cars 2 yet, but I think it's safe to assume that it'll not be as good as Cars, as TS2 wasn't as good as TS, and so on for most sequels. So, humor value of the statement aside, the odds are it's just another 'meh' movie. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-28 15:53:17] - lol, aww. "They said it couldn't be done. But Pixar proved the yaysayers wrong when it made its first bad movie, Cars. Now it has worsted itself with the even more awful Cars 2." - aaron
[2011-06-28 14:18:27] - http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars firefox 4 end-of-lifed, some enterprise customers complaining about new rapid release schedule - aaron
[2011-06-28 11:27:00] - Paul: So did I. The PE calculation there was incorrect, clearly, but I'm still not a fan of buying a 19PE stock, even with a brandname like Google. And that's after it's had a bad year. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-28 10:43:47] - Xpovos: Heh, I totally remember thinking Google was overpriced at $200 a share. Goes to show how much I know. -Paul
[2011-06-28 10:36:32] - Sub-post leads to some interesting c.2005 discussion. Including commentary that Google was over priced at $200 and $300 per share. Here we are 6 years later and it's trading at a robust almost-$500 per share. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-28 10:22:33] - Yeah LBP was the other one I got. Going to try and see if Andrea has any interest in playing it. Apparently LBP and Infamous were the only games that started off as full 60$ retail titles. -Daniel
[2011-06-28 09:57:33] - Daniel: Ah, well LBP is solid. I've heard OK things about Infamous, but don't know the other three except for what mig said about the first two. Still, not terrible, I guess--unless you already owned all five... -- Xpovos
[2011-06-28 08:55:52] - Xpovos: Apparently it was only 5 games (oops) : Infamous, Dead Nation, Stardust HD, WipeoutHD and its expansion pack, and Little Big Planet. -Daniel
[2011-06-27 16:28:32] - Obviously, plus two other as yet unnamed games. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-27 16:28:06] - Ah! That makes sense. So the games were Dead Nation, Stardust HD, Infamous, and Witcher 2? I'm assuming Portal 2 wasn't included in this deal. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-27 15:30:45] - PSN being PlayStation Network that in theory people use to play games online against other people. However I don't do that so it didn't bother me much, but I still got the 2 free games! Bonus! -Daniel
[2011-06-27 15:29:52] - Xpovos: It was the conciliatory effort on Sony's part after the PSN was down for a month. They had 6 games as options that you got to pick 2 of for free. -Daniel
[2011-06-27 15:09:37] - xpovos: because 2 is the # that sony decided to give out for free (out of 6 options). - mig
[2011-06-27 15:07:54] - mig: Why choose just two? -- Xpovos
[2011-06-27 12:41:43] - I think i chose my 2 games poorly. Dead Nation isn't that great (diablo style controls make for a very poor zombie shooter) and Stardust HD isn't that great either. - mig
[2011-06-27 11:59:30] - perscription data mining law in Vermont struck down. - mig
[2011-06-27 11:37:57] - good lord, the SCOTUS was busy this weekend. Arizona's matching campaign fund law is struck down. - mig
[2011-06-27 11:12:55] - On the subject of violent video games I started playing through Infamous after beating Portal2 and Witcher2. Its pretty fun so far. Since the PSN outage didn't affect me to much I think I'm coming out ahead in this deal. Though if it makes me buy Infamous2 at some point then perhaps they are winning in the end. -Daniel
[2011-06-27 10:57:29] - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/us/28scotus.html Justices Reject Ban on Violent Video Games for Children. -Paul
[2011-06-27 10:29:12] - House votes against authorizing the "kinetic military action" in Libya but does not cut off funding for it. - mig
[2011-06-24 09:23:38] - 'According to the Associated Press, House Judiciary Committee Chair Lamar Smith said his panel, which the proposed law is required to pass through, will turn down the HR 2306 bill.' From: http://www.heraldnews.com/archive/x2069920958/U-S-Rep-Barney-Frank-looking-to-end-federal-pot-penalties Not good news on it actually getting a vote. -Daniel
[2011-06-23 14:59:53] - Xpovos: Oh wow, I missed that somehow. Life in prison! - Stephen
[2011-06-23 14:38:51] - Stephen: Same guy. He did the things last fall AND messed up everyone's commute. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-23 14:03:53] - Xpovos: That's the guy from last fall, but if he messed up everyone's commute, then I'm all for a harsh sentence. - Stephen
[2011-06-23 13:58:46] - Stephen: I doubt they'll be able to get $1,000,000 out of him, but he's definitely facing jail time. http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2011/jun/23/yonathan-melaku-charged-military-shootings-ar-1128707/ -- Xpovos
[2011-06-23 12:28:59] - it's sometimes completely non-obvious who i'm supposed to trust. ~a
[2011-06-23 12:28:11] - daniel: true, it may not get to a vote. but this isn't the senate, and frank and paul have managed to get unpopular bills to at least that point before. - mig
[2011-06-23 12:27:54] - xpovos: you're telling me. ~a
[2011-06-23 12:12:47] - mig: Is it even going to get an actual vote? Or is it going to get sent off to a committee where it just sits there? -Daniel
[2011-06-23 12:01:10] - aaron: i'm curious how the bill would fare. Even if it gets defeated, I would personally find a 25-30% ayes to be a good sign, and anything above 40% to be very encouraging. - mig
[2011-06-23 11:47:12] - aaron: I'm not sure about the curvy pipe / water tower exactly but definitely after the Fall I spent several minutes there looking for one of the portable surfaces. Couple of other times I've just walked in circles till I found the spot I could portal on. -Daniel
[2011-06-23 11:10:28] - http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/22/barney-frank-and-ron-paul-will barney frank and ron paul will introduce bi-partisan legislation on thursday to fully legalize marijuana - aaron
[2011-06-23 09:57:02] - a: Nifty. Still a little hard for me to tell who're the good guys and who're the bad guys. If they're shooting at you, they're bad guys. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-23 08:40:09] - xpovos: ana. ~a
[2011-06-23 08:19:25] - Intriguing kickstarter. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/baudot/lyssan -- Xpovos
[2011-06-22 14:54:30] - a: The goal is to try and get Andrea to play that with me when she gets back, we'll see how that goes... -Daniel
[2011-06-22 14:52:41] - daniel: make sure you play through the two player stuff. that was my favorite by far. ~a
[2011-06-22 14:40:58] - daniel: if you're at all tempted to try and portal-jump onto a curvy pipe and walk out onto what looks like a water tower - then i know exactly which part you're stuck on, and yeah i was there for like five or ten minutes it was annoying - aaron
[2011-06-22 14:39:42] - http://i.imgur.com/0Czes.png sean connery's keyboard - aaron
[2011-06-22 14:39:10] - I finally started playing through Portal 2. I think I've now gotten to the part where you stand around and try to figure out what is portable in order to move on. -Daniel
[2011-06-22 08:50:33] - maybe every 5 days is slightly hyperbolic, but adobe flash seems to update itself about every 7 days and it just gets annoying. adobe reader got to where it was updating itself literally every time i launched it (admittedly i don't use it very often) so i just switched to evince - aaron
[2011-06-22 08:47:59] - i think there's pros and cons and a web browser is possibly the only part of my computer that i want updating itself - but even then, not particularly. the noscript plugin i use asks for an update every week or so, and i eventually got to where i just disabled update checking - aaron
[2011-06-22 08:46:49] - xpovos: yes, well how about this. i'm OK when chrome automatically updates itself. but i'm a little less OK when flash and adobe reader update themselves. and i'd probably not be OK if all 100-200 programs i had installed on my computer updated themselves, it would just get tedious - aaron
[2011-06-22 08:30:38] - Whereas some of the times I got most upset about a software update was when it was the only product that accessed proprietary data or networks, and the change was something I didn't like and couldn't disable. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-22 08:29:20] - I used to be a lot more about software control as an end user than I am. I use Chrome and I am totally OK with the fact that I never update it and it updates itself all the time. I think part of the reason I'm OK with it is that if it ever updates to something that I dislike that I can't disable, there are 4 other completely valid options that do EXACTLY the same thing.
[2011-06-22 08:28:03] - a: Afghan army guy is an odd phrase. You have trained security forces and Taliban members who both fit the description in a way. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-22 02:33:07] - yeah, i've heard lots more shooting recently. last night some afghan army guy was being an idiot and shooting at nothing. today there's some conflict nearby and i can hear it here. . . . no i don't want to argue semantics, and you're right we probably do mostly agree. i've been in disagreements with programmers before about whether to upgrade softwares or not. ~a
[2011-06-21 19:25:37] - also, holy crap gunfire - aaron
[2011-06-21 19:25:15] - i think we both understand eachothers point and we're probably in agreement that there are pros and cons to this, but if you think it's fruitful to argue semantics then... maybe another time. i have to go home - aaron
[2011-06-21 19:22:56] - a: fine, "every 5 days" was a little bit of hyperbole. "without anybody telling you" may have also been technically inaccurate, if you interpret "telling you" as "posting to their public facing blogs" or "being reported on by geek media outlets" or something - aaron
[2011-06-21 18:46:21] - iow, i doubt firefox or chromium will upgrade their browsers every five days without telling anybody. ~a
[2011-06-21 18:44:54] - no one said anything about losing version numbers, or revision control, or change logs, etc etc. automatic upgrades != wild west crazy land. ~a
[2011-06-21 17:28:17] - a: you'd hate your job more if you were forced to support ie6, and if ie6 kept changing every 5 days without anybody telling you - aaron
[2011-06-21 17:05:15] - "good for everyone except i guess software devs!" i understand it's arguable, but i think it's probably good for software devs. i'd even argue it helps software devs more than anybody. i hate my job when i am forced to support ie6. supporting ie10 on the other hand i can handle. ~a
[2011-06-21 16:46:02] - aaron: possibly. chrome does not inform you at all whenever it updates. - mig
[2011-06-21 16:40:46] - i'm assuming that the "silent updating" will be optional or that you'll at least be able to enable notification/prompting for updates? i guess public perception is probably that it's good for grandma to always be running the securest browser, so automated updating is probably good for 99% of users. good for everyone except i guess software devs! - aaron
[2011-06-21 16:39:44] - Hilarity and death panels ensue.
-- Xpovos[2011-06-21 16:39:01] - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215660/Mozilla_shoots_for_June_21_release_of_Firefox_5?taxonomyId=11 firefox changes to a more rapid development schedule, of note to me was that FireFox 6 already started development and that they're pushing out a new "silent update" mechanism similar to what chrome already has in place - aaron
[2011-06-21 16:16:38] - http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/nc-man-allegedly-robs-bank-health-care-jail/story?id=13887040 man robs bank of $1 to get health care in jail - aaron
[2011-06-21 15:57:09] - The budget fight in california is getting very comical. - mig
[2011-06-21 09:12:48] - Welcome back, Vinnie? - Stephen
[2011-06-20 22:11:31] - Halo Reach pulled in a bunch of big names, including Nathan Fillion. And CoD:MW2 beat out even GTA4 and grossed over half a billion worldwide. That's revenue on par with many big blockbuster movies. E.g. Hangover Part 2, which is $489M wordwide. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-20 14:55:46] - stephen: yeah, they seem to go together, there's a handful of star trek actors that have shown up in various bioware games: Kate Mulgrew, Tim Russ, Michael Dorn, Marina Sirtis are ones I can think of right away but i'm sure there are others. - mig
[2011-06-20 14:11:08] - Aren't games already among the biggest forms of media $ wise? I don't remember exactly but I thought when GTA4 came out it was the biggest media thing ever at the time. Getting real actors for that seems legit at that point. -Daniel
[2011-06-20 14:10:10] - Stephen: Seperate but related note, there were several people who did acting / voice acting for LA Noire that were recognizeable. Peter Parkman from Heroes was an easy one that Aaron and I both recognized. Sci Fi and games go together easily but I think as games become more dominant they will garner more attention. -Daniel
[2011-06-20 13:30:38] - Dragon Age II people: I was watching an episode of Doctor Who episode this weekend and I thought I recognized the guest actress...turns out she voiced Merrill. I guess voicing computer game characters is what sci-fi actresses do when they're not filming? - Stephen
[2011-06-20 09:21:02] - http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/0620/NATO-We-re-to-blame-for-Sunday-s-civilian-deaths-in-Libya NATO admits they accidentally bombed a civilian home in Libya. -Paul
[2011-06-18 03:20:39] - i wonder if they're including CHUs. 'cause they are better insulated than the tents. the tents, though, are actually pretty well insulated. they have doors and everything. agreed on the "topical" point; as i type this, i can hear the 3 gazillion watt generator straining and the lights are flickering. ~a
[2011-06-17 15:35:30] - http://cryptogon.com/?p=16709 an oddly topical link on reddit complaining about the cost of air conditioning FOBs in afghanistan - aaron
[2011-06-17 15:25:02] - I don't regret my support for starting the whole deal in Libya (not yet anyway) I just think we've hit the diminishing returns point as far as I can tell. -Daniel
[2011-06-17 15:00:09] - Daniel: Hurray! I'm glad you've seen the light.
-Paul[2011-06-17 14:53:59] - Also at this point I think we've probably crossed whatever my ill defined grey line was at the start for how long I thought we should be there. I would be fine if we said yup we're done and left Libya today. -Daniel
[2011-06-17 14:52:27] - Yeah I support Obama and even supported the start of Libya stuff but I think the rationale on his part for this is pretty bullshit. I think anytime you send military folks somewhere and they will get killed or kill someone else that should qualify as needing Congress approval. -Daniel
[2011-06-17 13:17:37] - silly paul, don't you know this isn't a war. stop calling it that. it's a "kinetic military action that invovles no hostilities whatsoever." - mig
[2011-06-17 12:43:21] - g: yes, minus the shootout and minus the boat yard. the insides are actually livable if you don't force three dudes who haven't showered in three days to sleep there. people * days_per_shower should always be less than three in such a small room. ~a
[2011-06-17 12:17:28] - g: i love it so far. life here is hard and there is a certain level of danger, but the work is fairly exciting/rewarding and my coworkers are awesome. ~a
[2011-06-17 11:34:15] - a: Thanks, anyway. I'll take the shitty commute. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-17 11:33:22] - a: does the CHU look like the containers you see in the movies whenever there is a shoot out at a boat yard? ~g
[2011-06-17 11:31:49] - a: are you enjoying yourself? ~g
[2011-06-17 11:25:52] - In the office. Time check: 1950. Total travel time: 0 hours, 0 minutes, 8 seconds, includes walking the 2 meters from my containerized housing unit to my office. ~a
[2011-06-17 11:05:08] - xpovos: wow that's terrible - aaron
[2011-06-17 10:46:24] - In the office. Time check: 1042. Total travel time: 3 hours 39 minutes, includes walking the last mile because the shuttle had finished its morning runs. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-17 10:44:21] - http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/7898-kucinich-colleagues-sue-obama-over-libya-war Kucinich, Colleagues Sue Obama Over Libya War. -Paul
[2011-06-17 09:41:53] - Xpovos: I doubt you'll be alone, at least. - Stephen
[2011-06-17 09:25:17] - Stephen: I'm STILL on the road. Just about to hit the Pentagon interchanges. I don't think I'll be making it to my 10:00. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-17 08:54:31] - Xpovos: Yeah, leaving my apartment this morning I saw all the crazy jams on 29 and 66 because of the problems at the Pentagon and on 110. I kind of hope the people in the "suspicious vehicle" are thrown in jail and fined a million dollars for the inconvenience they caused tens of thousand of people. - Stephen
[2011-06-17 08:35:28] - http://www.wtop.com/?nid=893&sid=2426595. My life sucks this morning... -- Xpovos
[2011-06-17 08:34:06] - IIRC scott walker has been compared to hitler and just about every contemporary despot. - mig
[2011-06-16 21:47:33] - xpovos: the unions pulled that card a long while ago. - mig
[2011-06-16 17:10:19] - Godwin's law encroaches on politics: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/16/union-leader-calls-new-jersey-gov-adolf-christie-compares-pension-battle-to-world-war-iii-video/ this means the unions lose the debate, right? -- Xpovos
[2011-06-16 13:41:32] - Daniel: Not the first or last time something is mis-named. Patriot Act, anybody?
-Paul[2011-06-16 13:37:56] - rep. weiner has resigned for showing his weiner. A bit of a shame, I had hoped this episode would continue for a few more weeks. - mig
[2011-06-16 12:18:44] - I'm not sure calling any tax idea the "Fair Tax" is fair (HA) because I'm not really sure there is much agreement on what a 'fair' tax system is. -Daniel
[2011-06-16 12:16:53] - paul: yeah it's definitely something that bothers me about people proposing the fair tax. Enacted it seems the primary concern, while repealing the income tax seems secondary. - mig
[2011-06-16 11:13:13] - mig: Nor am I, although I was greatly encouraged by her statement that she would be leery of enacting the FAIR tax now since it probably wouldn't lead to the elimination of the income tax. -Paul
[2011-06-16 11:09:27] - I dunno about about the "fair"(flat? consumption? it's confusing to me when someone brings that up becuase of Brady) tax. I'm not enthusiastic about it as some other fiscal hawks seem to be. - mig
[2011-06-16 10:56:20] - Daniel: I guess both? Basically I was saying that if I knew nothing else of Bachmann other than what I read in that article, she would sound pretty good to me. -Paul
[2011-06-16 10:23:41] - aaron: I'd heard of about half of them. Ah, German class. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-16 09:59:09] - http://konkykru.com/e.hoffmann.html what, these are real??? i saw #6 on The Office and assumed it was something dwight schrute made up, or something which was designed specifically for the show - aaron
[2011-06-16 09:27:30] - I don't like your links aaron! >:| -Daniel
[2011-06-16 08:35:04] - http://5z8.info/torrentEverything_v0u5xu_twitterhack another source mentioning boehner's support of the war powers act - aaron
[2011-06-15 14:41:14] - Paul: You are interested in cutting back gov as much as she is? Or do you mean on the tax front? -Daniel
[2011-06-15 12:07:57] - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/john-boehner-obama-libya_n_876961.html - Boehner seems to care about the war powers act. Don't know what he will do about it yet though. -Daniel
[2011-06-15 11:01:00] - First the HTC Hero, now the Samsung Galaxy S2. It seems like any time I actually get excited about a phone, it never comes to the U.S. and I end up settling for some year-old technology which results in a seriously obsolete piece of hardware before my contract is up... -- Xpovos
[2011-06-15 09:20:38] - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576375491103635726.html I know on social issues, Bachmann and I don't agree on much, but she doesn't sound half bad on financial issues. -Paul
[2011-06-14 12:04:06] - I think I have asked for a higher salary than was offered when switching jobs once. The other time I asked for a raise, I don't think I got it.
-Paul[2011-06-14 11:58:53] - I guess I have probably also encouraged others to look around when I thought they were being underpaid by their company. I want the best for my friends
~gurkie[2011-06-14 11:57:50] - aaron: I think its funny you think I am more aggressive, I have told my company I was unhappy with my raise at points but I have never negotiated a higher salary that was offered... Id say I am more passive aggressive about my salary
~gurkie[2011-06-14 10:30:01] - really made this very painful to watch. - mig
[2011-06-14 10:29:52] - I also think that while they were pressed for time, they should have given everyone a chance to answer each individual question, rather than asking just 1 or 2 or sometimes 3 people and then moving on. Or just have a general topic, 1 specific question to 1 candidate or something. The abrirtrary selection of who answered what question and the inconsistent jumping around
[2011-06-14 10:25:26] - I think his best moment was when Pawlenty was trying to dance around the issue of referring to Obama's plan as "ObamaneyCare" and the moderator simply just interrupted him and said, "Romney is standing right there, explain to me why you feel Obama and Romney's plans are that similar." Pawlenty continued to dance around the question, and the moderator gave up. - mig
[2011-06-14 10:23:08] - the moderator attempted to do that from time to time, sometimes very forcefully, but he was very inconsistent about it. - mig
[2011-06-14 10:22:24] - Debates bug me when a question is asked and I feel no real answer is ever given. -Daniel
[2011-06-14 10:22:06] - I know its a pipe dream but I long for the day when a reporter/moderator asks a question, a politician goes into some long winded answer and at the end the reporter just repeats the question and asks for an actual answer. -Daniel
[2011-06-14 10:12:24] - Daniel: Don't worry, most of them went well over (a minute plus) since there was no buzzer, although most of that time was spent on irrelevant stuff. -Paul
[2011-06-14 10:05:55] - I was also dissapointed that the war on drugs was completely ignored as a topic, maybe it's something people in New Hampshire don't care about... - mig
[2011-06-14 10:01:28] - 30 seconds for an answer? Yikes, yeah thats pretty terrible. -Daniel
[2011-06-14 10:00:03] - and yeah I was really annoyed by the random irrelevant "Obama Sucks!" cries. If the mainstream candidates think just repeating this mindlessly over and over is going to help them win, they should probably remember demomcrats tried this in '04 and failed spectacularly. - mig
[2011-06-14 09:59:27] - mig: How the hell is anybody supposed to give any answer of substance in 30 seconds? Especially when you spend the first 20 seconds talking about coming from a meat-packing town or thanking the questioner for his son's service. -Paul
[2011-06-14 09:58:25] - mig: Yeah, they REALLY needed a timer a buzzer and to cut off the moderator's microphone while the candidates were talking. The moderator kept on grunting (in agreement? disagreement?) while the candidates were talking. I also felt like the candidates should've been given a lot more time to answer questions than just 30 seconds. -Paul
[2011-06-14 09:57:40] - "It's like ... a federal program ... and my plan is a ... state program ... see it's totally different!" - mig
[2011-06-14 09:57:00] - My favorite part of the night though was listening to Romney in vain trying to convince us that RomneyCare is different thatn the ObamaCare. - mig
[2011-06-14 09:56:34] - Daniel: At least as much as I trust any Republican who doesn't have the last name of Paul. -Paul
[2011-06-14 09:56:12] - CNN did an atrocious job, which is uncharacterestic of them. - mig
[2011-06-14 09:56:03] - Daniel: Almost all of them paid lip service to the free market, reduced spending, and cutting taxes... I don't believe Romney when he says it, but I might believe Cain and Bachmann. -Paul
[2011-06-14 09:55:34] - I think it might be a misnomer to say anyone "won" here. It was a pretty terrible debate in just about every aspect. - mig
[2011-06-14 09:54:09] - Daniel: If you're talking about actual substance over style, then I obviously loved Paul's answers, and thought Santorum is too socially conservative. Other than that, it was sometimes hard to tell the difference between the candidates as they mostly all had a love fest and Obama bashing party. -Paul
[2011-06-14 09:52:35] - Daniel: I thought Cain got bogged down in semantics about whether he would or wouldn't appoint a muslim to his cabinet, and didn't have a lot of other good points, and I think Pawlenty made a mistake in backing off his attacks on Romneycare (and he had a creepy smile on for lots of the debate). -Paul
[2011-06-14 09:51:12] - Daniel: I thought the "winners" were Gingrich and Bachmann (for surpassing the low expectations that were likely set for them and making a few good points) and Romney (who supposedly was the front-runner going in, and didn't screw up). -Paul
[2011-06-14 09:41:27] - daniel: also i think gurkie made more out of college than any of us (again, except maybe adrian). if we had more female representation on this board maybe we could establish a pattern more consistent with the article, but, i think a lot of our male friends are kind of pushovers in the work environment. ha ha. - aaron
[2011-06-14 09:38:56] - i've never once negotiated for a larger raise or a larger salary, although i've applied for jobs with other companies twice, which prompted a salary increase. i get the impression gurkie is a lot more aggressive when it comes to her salary than me, or paul, or probably anybody but adrian (although please feel free to correct me) - aaron
[2011-06-14 09:20:48] - How did the debate go for anyone that watched it? -Daniel
[2011-06-14 09:17:14] - Paul: I watched the hockey game. I probably would've been better served watching the debate. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-14 02:08:04] - i've fought for raises for myself before. the situations were NOT out of the blue: in both cases i put up a fight when an opportunity presented itself. ~a
[2011-06-13 19:20:06] - I've actively fought for multiple raises, and am in the middle of another such fight this year, not just for me but for my (female) subordinate. But if I weren't fighting for it, she wouldn't be. -- Xpovos
[2011-06-13 15:16:38] - If a woman is fired for asking/negotiating and a man isn't thats bad but just getting away with paying them less? I dunno. -Daniel
[2011-06-13 15:15:38] - Yeah I think equal pay for women is something that in theory sounds good but in practice is hard to pull off. One because if a woman doesn't ask for more I'm supposed to just give it to her because otherwise I'm being discriminatory? In a capatilist way shouldn't employers pay the least they can to retain employees? -Daniel
[2011-06-13 14:55:47] - Daniel: that being said, I definately had one of the higher starting salaries out of college for my hs group of friends, college friends not so much... ~g
[2011-06-13 14:52:49] - Daniel: I didnt negotiate out of college, or when I switched jobs. I have expressed unhappiness with raises/bonuses though. One time I got my bonus changed because I felt like I had been mislead by the company. ~gurkie
[2011-06-13 13:22:09] - Daniel: Not a woman, but I behave like one where raises are concerned, even though I'm positive I'm underpaid. - Stephen
[2011-06-13 12:42:47] - Clearly not the entirety of the issue but this article holds true wtih my anecdotal experience that women don't push for more $. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/13/negotiate-young-women-college-graduates-first-job_n_875650.html. I know I've pushed for raises several times, sometimes it hasn't worked, sometimes it has. Women of this board pushed for more $? -Daniel
[2011-06-13 11:55:59] - yeah i figure it would be logical to drop out after something like that happens. Unfortunately I forgot that newt isn't really a logical man, so .... - mig
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