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[2012-01-03 15:37:38] - "i'd have a harder time closing a prison than bombing another country" uhm, really? why? bombing another country involves the loss of human life. closing a prison doesn't necessitate killing/death. ~a
[2012-01-03 15:35:45] - paul: http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-guantanamo/2009/05/22/id/330393 "charge and try them or let them go" is indeed RP's stance, unless something has changed in between then and now. - mig
[2012-01-03 15:35:30] - paul: well, on a personal level, i'd have a harder time closing a prison than bombing another country - aaron
[2012-01-03 14:49:35] - Aaron: I'm not sure if "we have to charge them or we have to let them go" is Paul's stance or not, it was more an idea of mine. I've no doubt congress has made closing Guantanamo difficult, but considering Obama found a way to bomb another country without any congressional approval, I have to believe he could find a way to close a prison if he really wanted to. -Paul
[2012-01-03 14:30:30] - given that democrats in congress (if i'm understanding the politifact article) wouldn't even approve the budget necessary to shut down the facility, i guess ron paul's stance would be, "cut off electricity, lay off the employees, cut all funding and make all detainees american citizens" or something? ahhaha.... - aaron
[2012-01-03 14:28:58] - this is according to Mason Clutter, the policy counsel for a bipartisan group interested in closing guantanemo. so if ron paul's "ideal stance" is, "we have to charge them or we have to let them go" then i'm not sure what "his practical" stance was be - aaron
[2012-01-03 14:27:45] - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/ apparently the number of detainees has dropped from ~240 to 172... congress has prohibited them from being prosecuted in US federal courts, and "made it difficult" to transfer them to other countries, - aaron
[2012-01-03 13:52:02] - and if they are charged with a crime and convicted they go to a prison here, and I don't think states would have much room to complain if that's the case. - mig
[2012-01-03 13:46:28] - vinnie: I think he has gone on record on his stance being that we either have to charge those being held there with a crime or we have to let them go. - mig
[2012-01-03 13:39:03] - Vinnie: I'll go ahead and admit that I don't know a ton about why Obama hasn't been able to close Guantanamo, but can't they just take everybody there now and either charge them with something (and put them in a regular prison) or release them? Is that so unreasonable? -Paul
[2012-01-03 13:36:56] - Aaron: Yeah, I agree with your point that it's not the best comparison. The problem is that Paul has never been president, and Obama has such a small record as Senator. -Paul
[2012-01-03 13:34:19] - I'd like Ron Paul to say what he'd do differently. like whether he's willing to make concessions with states that take the prisoners, or whether he's ok with letting the prisoners go and dealing with the political fallout - vinnie
[2012-01-03 13:31:56] - thought the Guantanamo thing was an issue of congress fighting against it, like what Daniel said. the last I heard about it was that the individual states had no interest in paying to house and try the people held at Guantanamo. I think Obama's only other option then to close it down is to let everyone go - vinnie
[2012-01-03 13:09:48] - aaron: State senator Obama voted present or abstained from a large number of controversial votes. Not sure about his voting record as a U.S. Senator since it was so short. Paul definitely voted against the Patriot Act. Meanwhile Obama just signed into a law a capacity to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens. That he promises not to use. -- Xpovos
[2012-01-03 12:49:20] - i guess it would be most fair to compare obama's voting record as a senator to ron paul's voting record as a senator, if you really wanted an apples-to-apples comparison on how they differed on things like indefinite detention or guantanemo bay or the patriot act (although i don't know if things like that date back to november 2008, when obama stopped senating - aaron
[2012-01-03 12:46:15] - of stuff he's doing. again i'm not saying obama shouldn't be held accountable for his actions, i just think it might be another case where presidential candidates can say, you know, "well if i were president i would shut down guantanemo bay and end indefinite detention" and then they'd get elected, have a few closed-door meetings and - oops yeah my bad - aaron
[2012-01-03 12:44:55] - paul: thanks, i didn't see that before - so ron paul scored lower on the "equality in marriage" stuff because he wants to push it down to a states' rights thing. that makes sense. but it still kind of cements the point i was making, that paul is getting four torches on indefinite detention because of stuff he's saying, where obama is getting one torch because - aaron
[2012-01-03 11:14:36] - For those wondering where the torches come from and the rationale behind them, they include profiles for each candidate and what went into their decision making process below the chart. -Paul
[2012-01-03 11:13:59] - Aaron: As for the same sex marriage thing, I believe it's because Ron Paul supports the Federal Defense of Marriage Act as a matter of state's rights whereas Johnson is against it. -Paul
[2012-01-03 11:10:48] - Xpovos: Yeah, I understand the point and even somewhat agree, but I don't think it's right to ignore Obama actions and rely on his rhetoric, and I don't think it's right to assume Paul would go back on what he said. It's an imperfect comparison, but I think it's the best we have. -Paul
[2012-01-03 11:09:27] - daniel: unsure of congress's role. They definitely can influence funding, so they could in effect close the prison that way if they wanted. I don't recal, was it created by executive order or through congress. If the former I think Obama could close it unilaterally even if congress wanted to keep it open. - mig
[2012-01-03 11:05:38] - Isn't Guantanamo Bay still open because of Congress? I don't remember exactly what but something like they couldn't agree on where to send people? Or they were going to keep funding it regardless of what Obama wanted? I'm not 100% on that though. -Daniel
[2012-01-03 11:01:31] - And Obama has been utterly dissappointing with the whole due process thing on top of the guantanamo bay still being open. - mig
[2012-01-03 11:00:21] - Gotta run to an unfortunately timed (in terms of message board debate) meeting. Be back in a bit. -Paul
[2012-01-03 11:00:21] - since he has much on his record as a congressman in doing away with the "enemy combatant" designation, which in turn is a big reason why guantanamo bay still exists. - mig
[2012-01-03 10:59:53] - Aaron: I understand what you're saying about Guantanamo Bay, how you can't say for certain what Ron Paul would do as president yet, but we can say for certain what Obama has done (hence the 1 torch), and the only way you can judge Paul is on what he says. -Paul
[2012-01-03 10:59:29] - Paul: Aaron's point is that Ron Paul hasn't been tested by the ring yet. Obama has and was found wanting, but Paul's bravado and statements can't be measured against Obama's actual failure because we can't be sure Paul won't fail too. I think there's a reasonable point to be made on obvious difference in integrity, but Aaron made a good point. -- Xpovos
[2012-01-03 10:59:09] - aaron: I think this is a result of a poor framing of the issue by the ACLU report. What I think the real "issue" they see with regard to guantanamo bay (which goes a bit deeper than the issue of it being closed) is the whole "enemy combatant vs. due process" issue (which gets referenced in the details of Paul's evaluation). That is probably why the give RP a 4 ...
[2012-01-03 10:58:20] - But he's been more than willing to accept almost any kind of behaviour from anyone--libertarian--so would not oppose a religious service that did permit homosexuals to marry. So, what I want and need to understand is the difference between a personal or religious ceremony and a government sponsored one. -- Xpovos
[2012-01-03 10:57:27] - Aaron: "it looks kind of like a draw to me" I think they're talking about if you add up the torches, Ron Paul comes out ahead. It's true they split on issues they "win", but Ron Paul has two 4-0 wins whereas Obama has 3-1 and 3-0 wins. -Paul
[2012-01-03 10:57:23] - aaron: I'm curious about expanding the homosexual marriage item. Everything I've read indicates that Ron Paul is, while not homophobic, uncomfortable around homosexuals. That scene in Bruno is a completely legitimate reaction; IMO, understandable, but increasingly 'old fashioned' or 'out of touch'. --
[2012-01-03 10:54:21] - mig: Maybe it means they carry a torch for that candidate? -- Xpovos
[2012-01-03 10:48:53] - recognize any kind of marriage/religion/etc... right? it sounds identical to gary johnson's beliefs but maybe the ACLU interpreted it differently (or maybe my assumptions on ron paul's views on marriage are incorrect) - aaron
[2012-01-03 10:48:03] - shouldn't we be comparing obama's "campaign trail rhetoric" to RP's "campaign trail rhetoric"? also i'm confused why ron paul scored one torch on "freedom to marry gay couples". hasn't he said publicly that his opposition to gay marriage is a personal, religious decision? and i'd assume RP would share the typical libertarian viewpoint that government shouldn't - aaron
[2012-01-03 10:44:41] - i think it's kind of unfair to give obama 1 torch on "closing guantanemo bay" and to give ron paul 4 torches. they have both been very outspokenly against it. if ron paul were president, maybe it would be closed, but maybe it wouldn't. i understand why it would be misleading to give obama four torches on this issue, but for a true apples-to-apples comparison, - aaron
[2012-01-03 10:43:10] - http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/ALWCandidateReportCard.pdf here's the source; obama is "ahead" as far as reproductive choice/freedom to marry, while RP is "ahead" as far as "ending a surveillance state" and "closing guantanamo bay"... it looks kind of like a draw to me, but i don't know - aaron
[2012-01-03 10:39:12] - mig: Yup. -Paul
[2012-01-03 10:18:17] - paul: so according to this chart, more torches = more ACLU approval on the issue? - mig
[2012-01-03 09:44:10] - http://reason.com/blog/2012/01/02/obama-ranks-third-in-aclu-report-card For those who voted for Obama in 2008, and who consider the ACLU to be an admirable organization, both Ron Paul and Gary Johnson finished ahead of Obama on their report card. -Paul
[2012-01-02 12:43:49] - google, amazon, and facebook might black out the internet. details are lacking, but i know wikipedia also considered something like this at one point. ~a
[2011-12-30 10:38:32] - mig: agreed. oh, haha, i've now even included your link directly in my travel planning notes
notes ~a[2011-12-30 10:01:04] - a: unfortunately, economic well being doesn't seem to be a concern on the mormons who seems to have political influence there. - mig
[2011-12-30 02:12:46] - 4 years ago, "Ron Paul, Republican gadfly", this year, "Libertarian Ron Paul, who will never be nominated". Phrases I've seen repeated enough to make me wonder about talking points. Remember when Bush Jr.picked Cheney as his VP? The word then was "gravitas". Everyone used it. Overnight. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-29 18:24:46] - oof. its cool this is a state rights issue. but utah is only hurting itself: slc is seriously the #1 place im considering for my next vacation (skiing). now im reconsidering. im sure im not the only one: skiiers/boarders like to drink. ~a
[2011-12-29 16:35:35] - http://www.businessinsider.com/utah-is-banning-happy-hours-starting-in-2012-2011-12 utah to ban happy hour. - mig
[2011-12-29 12:26:13] - I'm going through the archives so this might be old, but this made me cracking up: http://notalwaysright.com/sass-subtle-artificial-sassy-server/15491 - vinnie
[2011-12-27 19:20:40] - aaron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGZf9XeR7O0 -- Xpovos
[2011-12-26 23:20:48] - xpovos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry5aD2vu97s what's the best food from coast to coast? - aaron
[2011-12-25 09:42:06] - title: of course I saw. - jesus
[2011-12-23 17:02:17] - vinnie: it seemed like a lot of the cards had things which triggered when you bought/gained the cards, which was a cool mechanic. the biggest negative thing i heard was that the new "jack of all trades" card kind of opens up a really strong/unfun big money strategy similar to envoy, but it seemed cool - aaron
[2011-12-22 16:52:02] - aaron: I got to play with the hinterlands cards at the last magic tournament I went to, one of my buddies had it. I didn't understand the theme of the set if there is one; it seemed very random - vinnie
[2011-12-22 16:21:11] - a: I've seen the newest mission impossible movie. Pretty good if you're looking for primarily an action movie with sprinkles of humor and sci-fi gadgets. -Paul
[2011-12-22 15:39:51] - http://dominionstrategy.com/card-lists/hinterlands-card-list/ new dominion expansion, "hinterlands" - aaron
[2011-12-22 14:09:28] - haha, you read the edit summary? ~a
[2011-12-22 14:01:11] - a: Too lazy. -Paul
[2011-12-22 12:21:49] - nina/paul: you can't edit?
~a[2011-12-22 12:21:18] - a: I would vote for X-Men: First Class -Paul
[2011-12-22 11:16:55] - vinnie: it actually counts against wendy's's numbers because hindus consider the hamburger sacred. ~a
[2011-12-22 10:36:42] - oh, okay, second largest fast food burger chain, that makes more sense. i'd have been really blown away if burger king had overtaken mcdonalds, starbucks, or subway - aaron
[2011-12-22 10:32:40] - The Financial Times is extremely restrictive. They have a limited number of article views per month, if you exceed that you need to go through their paywall or it bounces you to their front page. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-22 10:28:22] - I went to Wendy's yesterday. wonder if I was the one that bumped them up - vinnie
[2011-12-22 10:26:42] - there's something up with the site I linked to earlier. It works fine when clicking the link from google news but any permalink seems to be borked. - mig
[2011-12-22 10:23:43] - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/12/burger-wars-wendys-set-to-overtake-burger-king-in-market-share/ article #2, i guess the thing I didn't notice before is they actually say "hamburger market" not fast food in general, so things like taco bell and subway (which i think might be bigger) aren't mentioned. - mig
[2011-12-22 10:16:32] - mig: but... i didn't realize wendy's was even #2? i assumed starbucks was #1, subway was #2 and mcdonalds #3 or something like that? - aaron
[2011-12-22 10:15:57] - mig: there's some kind of a bug in the web site you linked to; with javascript disabled i can't read the article, and with javascript enabled it just displays some kind of ad-spam and then redirects me to their main page - aaron
[2011-12-22 10:13:50] - I nominate Justin Bieber: Never Say Never -nina
[2011-12-22 09:20:14] - mig: Can't read the article, but I'm surprised Wendys has moved up so far. I wonder where Taco Bell is. -Paul
[2011-12-22 00:50:06] - BEST $@*! MOVIE OF 2011 (please one nomination per person, or more than one if you really want, or less than one nomination if you really really want) ~a
[2011-12-21 22:10:13] - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e27cf814-27fc-11e1-a4c4-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1hEHG6yuk apparently wendy's has overtaken Burger King as the #2 fast food restaurant. I wonder if the new fries had anythign to do with it. - mig
[2011-12-21 19:27:34] - http://cats4gold.com/scrap-gold-calculator.asp as you only have a tiny amount of gold, we can only offer you a small amount of cat. your gold is worth 1.12 small (B grade) kittens - aaron
[2011-12-21 11:37:38] - also i just made two changes to your link
~a[2011-12-21 11:32:18] - that. is. AWESOME. also, not too surprisingly, a bunch of people have tried to create list of lists of lists of lists. ~a
[2011-12-21 11:30:51] - a: List of lists of lists
- aaron[2011-12-21 10:49:06] - a: No, sorry, I was referring to the Republican party members who are upset with Romney as Tea Partiers, to help differentiate them from the Republican Party specific. But that, said, yes, many Republicans who like the Tea Pary would be very unhappy if Paul were the nominee. Social reasons, mostly, but foreign policy too. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-21 10:41:53] - tea partiers hate paul? that seems odd. i thought he started the tea party movement. ~a
[2011-12-21 10:35:10] - It's kind of a wag the dog primary. It's backroom bar politics out in the open. And ultimately I suspect it will be Romney and the party will be happy and tell their base to suck it up and vote for the not-Obama. Interestingly, most of these Republicans hate Paul even more than the Party does. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-21 10:33:18] - mig: I guess it depends who you think a Republican is. There's a lot of banter--some of it I believe, a lot of it is hyperbole--that the flavor of the month aspect of this race has been every-day Republicans (Tea Partiers) looking for anyone but Romney for the reason you note, and others, while the GOP itself is firmly entranced with Romney. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-21 10:24:34] - I don't think his own party believes he's electable either. There's a reason we have had multiple flavors of the month all throughout the GOP primary. A lot of them clearly want an alternative to Romney, but the ones they flock to all turn out to be worse than he is. - mig
[2011-12-21 10:18:20] - I'm not sure how anyone can argue romney is electable in this cycle. The healthcare issue just immediately disqualifies him. - mig
[2011-12-21 10:08:56] - vinnie: ha ha nice! - aaron
[2011-12-21 09:45:33] - along the lines of our teal and orange discussion, trajan is the movie font http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t87QKdOJNv8 - vinnie
[2011-12-20 18:43:31] - He's a progressive Republican from a blue state that has embraced many liberal positions at some point to some degree. So he doesn't fly with the base, but if he gets the nomination he won't scare away independents, the way Perry, Bachman or Palin would. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-20 18:41:46] - a: Well, Romney's big appeal to most Republicans is that he's supposedly very electable. He's tall, attractive, religious--but not too much, he's Mormon, but they won't count that against him, though they'll mention that it won't be counted against him in every article so that people know he's Mormon so that they can count it against him. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-20 17:35:00] - who on the gop including romney is electable? ~a
[2011-12-20 16:45:12] - but the article xpovos linked is kind of hilarious. I've heard the same complaints of unelectability lobbied against gingrich, perry, bachmann... who on the gop besides romney is electable? - vinnie
[2011-12-20 16:43:47] - lately, it's been one candidate after another stealing the highest polling numbers from romney, and paul looks poised to be that next candidate while gingrich's numbers are dropping (from what I've seen). the numbers are all over the place though - vinnie
[2011-12-20 16:30:26] - aaron: As a mentioned, Paul is in second, or winning most recent Iowa polls. And by "in second" I mean 19% versus a frontrunner (Gingrich or Romney) at 22%. That said, polling is very much in flux everywhere. So any of these numbers are close to meaningless. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-20 16:23:39] - not all news gathering institutions reveal their sources. quite the contrary, some of them protect their sources in specific types of situations. ~a
[2011-12-20 16:21:42] - aaron: i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the statement that he's at or near the top. that said, there is a fundamental difference between the politico and gallop poll: politico is referring to iowa and gallop is referring to everybody. ~a
[2011-12-20 15:18:16] - xpovos: i'm only going off because yours is actually the second fake news article i've read today which has said something to the effect of, "ron paul is the new republican front runner", but then when i looked closer (both times) the sources were fabricated - aaron
[2011-12-20 15:16:31] - xpovos: technically, polling at 12% to romney's 23% and gingrich's 25%, i think it's more accurate to say ron paul is "near last place", although i think both statements are misleading - aaron
[2011-12-20 15:15:39] - xpovos: which polls show him "at or near the top?" politico had a fake-source-link for that... very clever, politico!!! gallup polls show him steadily climbing, but he's still definitely not "at the top" - aaron
[2011-12-20 15:02:14] - Seriously? You plead for months and years that your tiny state still matters in the great scheme of electioneering, because somehow Iowans have some greater ability to discern what makes a man presidential but as soon as the 'wrong' candidate does well, you denounce him and the process? -- Xpovos
[2011-12-20 12:56:04] - aaron: I think it's particularly good because it works on multiple levels, despite being, apparently, totally fictitious. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-20 12:41:55] - xpovos: i always hear similar jabs at bad goalkeepers in soccer/hockey, but that's the first one i've heard about a QB, not bad. - aaron
[2011-12-20 12:28:08] - http://www.happyplace.com/12672/brett-favre-thrown-into-ring-replace-injured-cutler -- Xpovos
[2011-12-19 21:02:33] - more sopa discussion. ~a
[2011-12-19 15:06:10] - hmm actually I think it was nine pizzas
[2011-12-19 13:57:49] - I think I had heard "my very excellent mother just served us nice pizza" ~g
[2011-12-19 13:39:35] - even better. ~a
[2011-12-19 13:38:09] - a: Prophylactic? -- Xpovos
[2011-12-19 13:33:36] - or even "Penis" instead of "Promiscuity". ~a
[2011-12-19 13:32:59] - i guess if they change their mind on pluto, we could still use "Mary's 'Virgin' Explanation Made Joseph Suspect Upstairs Neighbor's Promiscuity" ~a
[2011-12-19 12:52:48] - i had heard of "please excuse my dear aunt sally", but hadn't heard of the other "old ones". i do remember screech telling zack to remember "Mvemjsunp", back when Pluto was still a planet. -nina
[2011-12-19 11:26:11] - title: yep, i saw it. every monday morning me and my cell-phone have an xkcd party before i get out of bed. which usually means i don't know the hidden image-text because the default android-browser can't show me that information. ~a
[2011-12-19 11:23:17] - boo link boo -title
[2011-12-19 11:22:44] - a: I liked xkcd's <a href=http://xkcd.com/992/> science mnemonics</a> -title
[2011-12-19 10:47:34] - title:
~a[2011-12-16 15:59:15] - mb
[2011-12-16 15:40:57] - mig: Yeah, it's a little crazy when my team which had the BEST luck with running backs this year was the one where I lost Jamaal Charles after a few lackluster weeks. -Paul
[2011-12-16 15:32:28] - Nina: When I was doing research, I wanted to get a good water bottle that would last a long time, and I had read bad things about BPA and I had heard that stainless steel is better than aluminum. -Paul
[2011-12-16 15:30:46] - Nina: http://www.kleankanteen.com/about/kanteen-101/why.php Well, the big thing for me is that it's stainless steel, which is supposed to be the best material in terms of being toxin-free and not doing anything to change the flavor of what you put in it. -Paul
[2011-12-16 15:08:51] - paul: what's the difference between klean kanteen and all the generics out there? -nina
[2011-12-16 13:41:06] - a: Addressed to me? A new silver Xbox 360 controller with transforming directional pad. A SanDisk Sansa Clip+. Klean Kanteen. Collector's Edition of Arkham City. Koss Portable Stereo Headphones. Etc. -Paul
[2011-12-16 13:22:23] - like what? ~a
[2011-12-16 13:18:28] - Nina: Everything on my wishlist is cool, but I don't think any of them are unique.
-Paul[2011-12-16 13:12:50] - a: that's why pierce is buying it. -nina
[2011-12-16 13:00:51] - nina: haha, that is cool, but the price isn't right: they probably cost less than $10 for them to make. the profit margin is a little out of whack. ~a
[2011-12-16 12:56:43] - http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/The-Year-Without-a-Running-Back?urn=fantasy-wp12830#remaining-content I was cursing my own running back problems in fantasy football this year, but man it was a pretty bad year all around for RBs. - mig
[2011-12-16 12:56:07] - does anyone have any cool presents on their wishlist? i want these http://www.sleepphones.com/ -nina
[2011-12-16 10:52:40] - ok, well that's weird. i guess maybe my ~90% guess was off by at least a little. ~a
[2011-12-16 10:49:20] - a: Actually, it does seem to be "fixed" now, you're right. -Paul
[2011-12-16 10:40:53] - http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-paul-supporters-slay-more-than-1000-dragons-with-fantasy-role-playing-game-dungeoneers-2011-12-15 I totally did this. The game's decent. More strategy than most of these flash/canvass games, but still nothing to write home about. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-16 10:33:30] - a: The page is very light. And the lag is definitely in the network, or at worst (from your perspective) in your hosting server. Even with the slowest loads, it's never been something worth complaining about. I'm on Verizon at home, so I'll test it out there to see if I notice any differences. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-16 10:32:48] - is it still slow? i turned off dns resolution. ~a
[2011-12-16 10:00:03] - a: I'm guessing I have the problem at work. The message board is strangely very slow at work all the time. -Paul
[2011-12-16 09:53:45] - haha, yeah "slow" is funny: this page takes .008 seconds to render. the rest of the time you wait is because of isps, mediawiki, your web-browser, or even more things i really have no control over. ~a
[2011-12-16 09:51:30] - yeah, like i said, 90% or so of people have a reverse-dns record. i guess i'll leave dns resolution off for the remaining 10%. ~a
[2011-12-16 09:46:46] - a: i've never had a problem like they're describing at work or at home, i didn't realize anybody thought the message board was slow.... - aaron
[2011-12-15 19:30:27] - not sure. i don't know of a pattern. i think the major residential isps (comcast, cox, verizon) have dns records for all of their customers. ~a
[2011-12-15 16:06:46] - a: I'm at work, is that part of it? My home IP should be pretty stable now. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-15 16:04:21] - 90%? i dunno. it's weird that neither of you have one. ~a
[2011-12-15 15:51:08] - a: so what percentage of the people on the board do have a DNS record? -nina
[2011-12-15 15:41:25] - xpovos: that's because you don't have a dns record either. ~a
[2011-12-15 15:28:48] - For what it's worth, the DNS resolution removal speeds me up as well, both loading and posting. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-15 15:28:19] - a: I don't have problems with the site (most of the time). Occasionally it does seem very slow, but it's usually better in a few hours or the next day. The SHA-1 hash I posted is the sum of "-- Xpovos".
-- Xpovos[2011-12-15 15:09:51] - a: what's the point of having dns resolution? -nina
[2011-12-15 15:01:48] - nina: well, basically the fault is likely your isp. i may turn dns resolution back on, i just wish dns resolution didn't cause such a large latency. ~a
[2011-12-15 14:57:44] - a: that's much better. -nina
[2011-12-15 14:54:40] - nina: i think i know what's wrong. your computer has no dns record! are you posting from work or from home? apache is trying to look up your dns, and not responding with the datas until it gets your domain name (which never comes)? try loading again, i've temporarily turned of dns resolution. ~a
[2011-12-15 14:50:42] - a: nope, that was equally slow. -nina
[2011-12-15 14:49:32] - g: and for whatever reason they decided to dress up as the monsters instead of you know... luke... han... chewie... - aaron
[2011-12-15 14:48:35] - g: i like how half the costumes have piece of paper with the character's name on it, as if acknowledging that the costume is bad enough that people will need hints. at first i thought the green garbage bag man was yoda, but yeah, i think it's probably jabba - aaron
[2011-12-15 14:42:38] - xpovos: your hash didn't get any ghits. what's it the sum of? ~a
[2011-12-15 14:31:58] - nina/xpovos: which part of the site is slow? try this url: the page will look very broken, but try to see if it loads quickly or slowly. that will tell us if it's an isp problem (yours or mine) or a mediawiki problem. ~a
[2011-12-15 14:26:39] - nina: Fairly certain he should be jabba... He makes the most sense, they could have thrown luke or han in but no Jabba was better... ~g
[2011-12-15 14:21:11] - Hosted by Geocities? -- Xpovos
[2011-12-15 14:20:38] - f8b0943eaafc9987759174e30053b27cd2b25aee -- Xpovos
[2011-12-15 14:19:00] - a: why is your website so slow? it's got the refresh speed of a site made in 1999 optimized for NetScape. -nina
[2011-12-15 14:17:42] - nina: I assumed Greedo, but Jabba's a better 'fit'. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-15 14:13:15] - aaron/g: the garbage bag boy is supposed to be jabba? -nina
[2011-12-15 14:09:49] - aaron: really? You think that takes a lot of dedication, I bet they made most of them in a day... Especially Jabba and r2. ~g
[2011-12-15 14:02:37] - amy and nina are back?!
~a[2011-12-15 13:58:57] - http://kellybee322.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/when-im-sad-i-stop-being-sad-and-be-awesome-instead-700x393.jpg just felt like sharing. (sfw) -amy
[2011-12-15 13:57:02] - http://imgur.com/nIMwF coooool star wars costumes! group costumes like this show a lot of dedication. - aaron
[2011-12-15 13:55:38] - mig: aww i don't think it's that creepy. the mask looks a little creepy up close but i think it's really cool that a mother and son can play a game like WoW and do big arts-and-crafts projects like that together. - aaron
[2011-12-15 13:45:11] - nina: actually, i changed the title after you asked
~a[2011-12-15 13:39:15] - and on the "innocence" theme http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16184773 -nina
[2011-12-15 13:34:40] - g: ignorance is bliss. or should it be "innocence is bliss"? -nina
[2011-12-15 13:14:50] - http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/12/15/cosplay-fun-with-the-stringer-family/ well in keeping with the creepy theme today .... - mig
[2011-12-15 12:59:02] - http://notalwaysrelated.com/the-balls-and-the-bees/19362 ~g
[2011-12-15 12:54:29] - title: you're kinda creepy. -nina
[2011-12-15 12:28:26] - xpovos:
i knew she would ask. -title[2011-12-15 12:17:44] - nina: The title text is the SHA-1 hash of the word 'nina'. The first link shows up because that site uses the hash in there html post and you can see then that it's a person named nina. I have no idea why the title is a hash of your name. I figured you had read that and were asking why too. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-15 12:08:55] - title: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=b443de4b0ff48581d8743a5f5cad5321e40054c2&l=1 ?? who is nina lynette? should i google that too? - aaron
[2011-12-15 11:51:50] - nina: google it. -title
[2011-12-15 11:40:01] - title: what's that all about? -nina
[2011-12-15 09:14:25] - mig: I was reading the Post this morning and Ron was on the front page as they're doing an 'in-depth' on every candidate, and he was today's. Granted, it was below the fold, and the articles were vitriolic, but--he was there. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-14 16:53:41] - Even more shocking, this link showed up as one of the headliners on yahoo's political news page. - mig
[2011-12-14 16:46:06] - http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/ron-paul-could-win-105810338.html I'm shocked this is actually a topic of discussion on a somewhat mainstreamy news site. - mig
[2011-12-14 14:22:48] - Could lead to death involving auto-erotic vehicular suicide? -Daniel
[2011-12-14 14:06:45] - Drive, reverse, drive, reverse drive, reverse, drive, reverse, second gear, reverse, OVERDRIVE! -- Xpovos
[2011-12-14 13:45:21] - i figure he was referring to the hood ornament in idiocracy. it wasn't double-ended, black, or two-foot, but it was a dildo. ~a
[2011-12-14 13:37:16] - g: he meant lawn ornament - vinnie
[2011-12-14 13:06:09] - hood ornament??? ~g
[2011-12-14 12:51:15] - a: yeah, it's her hood ornament! - aaron
[2011-12-14 12:41:16] - a: to the best of my knowledge that is NOT in my house... ~g
[2011-12-14 12:11:31] - a: haha that's remarkably close to what I was thinking of say but decided not to - vinnie
[2011-12-14 12:00:37] - gurkie, in miguel's old room, with the two-foot double-ended black dildo. ~a
[2011-12-14 10:52:04] - aaron: even better lets play it with floor plans of our homes, with our friends names, and things that could be used as weapons in our houses... ~g
[2011-12-14 10:14:16] - http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/nc0s6/yoyo_ma_on_the_floor_of_a_bathroom_with_a_wombat/c37x4ap this is the weirdest game of clue ever - aaron
[2011-12-13 18:18:58] - mig: How much of what drugs has he done? -- Xpovos
[2011-12-13 16:29:09] - sometimes i really do wonder if his deal is all an act. - mig
[2011-12-13 16:28:11] - or 20. That has nothing to do with your question, but that was definitely on my mind." that was metta world peace's (aka Ron Artest) response to someone asking him why rookies call him 'metta' and veterans call him 'ron'. - mig
[2011-12-13 16:27:36] - "I'm just -- I'm most happy that Jesus Christ did not let me lose my teeth when I was 20 years old. 'Cause I was wondering, like, what if you kept your baby teeth until the age of 18 or 20 and then you lose 'em? That would look pretty bad. So I just think he's really brilliant, that you lose your teeth when you're a baby rather than losing them when you're like 30 ...
[2011-12-13 16:15:09] - Crap, broke my link. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32779242@N04/3671923055/ -- Xpovos
[2011-12-13 16:14:55] - <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/32779242@N04/3671923055/>So</a>... 60% of people are morally some shade of gray? -- Xpovos
[2011-12-13 14:39:03] - daniel: Overclocked Remix usually has a panel at PAX East (that I could be on) and I was thinking about going this coming year. May be staying in a hotel with others, but thanks for the offer, I'll keep it in mind - vinnie
[2011-12-13 13:21:27] - mig/aaron: i was thinking about how the media companies have tried to get all legal on people by passing stricter legislation, and suing individuals for millions to set an example. and, the music industry wasn't all for selling their songs for $.99. Steve Jobs basically made them do that. he said "I think a song is worth $.99", and that's it. -nina
[2011-12-13 13:02:05] - nina/mig/aaron: personally, i like to release my content using open licenses, but i don't like the idea of people taking things that i have not released with open licenses and doing whatever they want with them. that seems immoral to me. that also seems illegal. ~a
[2011-12-13 12:57:30] - PAX FAQ Thread for random questions about it: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/150336/pax-east-2012-faq-and-information-thread.-please-ask-all-questions-here
[2011-12-13 12:52:56] - however i'd say this is probably outweighed by the negative innovations, like companies which install malware on CDs (i've purchased one! thanks sony!), ancient things like "decoder wheels" or modern day DRM servers, or movie companies who deliberately make awful movies that people won't want to pirate - aaron
[2011-12-13 12:52:41] - I'm registered for PAX East next year (April 6-8 2012 (Easter Weekend)) if anyone else is interested in going. Staying at a friends apartment in Boston. If anyone else wants to go I can see if you can crash on their floor but my guess would be its ok unless like everyone wanted to come. -Daniel
[2011-12-13 12:51:38] - nina: actually i somewhat agree with miguel, companies have taken multiple innovations to combat piracy, and some of them like a pay-per-song purchasing model might not have arisen without piracy - aaron
[2011-12-13 12:49:08] - Essentially the narrative is that the rational response to piracy is not, "we must do everything to destroy the foul freeloaders", but to find out what about your product sucks that is driving people to get it through piracy. Like I said, there's certainly the freeloaders, but I don't think it's the only motiviation for piracy by any means. - mig
[2011-12-13 12:47:55] - title: sorry you failed. ~g
[2011-12-13 12:40:54] - g: i'm trying to gross you out. -title
[2011-12-13 12:32:26] - err that should be "not make them buy the whole album". - mig
[2011-12-13 12:31:47] - after the hilariously failed attempts by the industry to quash that behvaior, a few companies like apple and amazon said, "maybe if we gave people a legal method to get what they want (i.e. selling by the song in digital form, and make them buy a whole album, we can make a fuckload of money", and now we have itunes and the amazon mp3 store. - mig
[2011-12-13 12:29:32] - title: your point being? ~g
[2011-12-13 12:29:10] - well, why were people pirating music in the first place? Yeah there was a share of people who just wanted stuff for free, but there was also a signficant portion that was tired of paying $14-$17 for essentially one or two song they liked on a CD, and were willing to go to not so legal methods to avoid it ...
[2011-12-13 12:23:18] - Mig: how so? -nina
[2011-12-13 12:17:15] - Maybe it's bad. Though I think it's served as a powerful corrective market force with regards to the media content industries. - mig
[2011-12-13 12:03:57] - napster taught me that piracy was ok. pierce taught me that piracy is bad. still not convinced i'll ever get caught or punished for doing so. -nina
[2011-12-12 18:55:16] - http://fuckyeahidiotsonic.tumblr.com/archive - vinnie
[2011-12-12 17:04:01] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=007VM8NZxkI how to touch wall with apple - aaron
[2011-12-12 16:04:06] - heh, there's a slashdot article that just showed up about copyright claims on youtube
~a[2011-12-12 15:28:41] - Daniel: in terms of piracy one of the major concerns is that there are copies being made each time, while when you borrow it there is still one copy being passed around. If you dont return it to Miguel then he cant watch it... ~g
[2011-12-12 15:25:40] - understood. when it comes to copyright law, i see no moral issues with doing things that are legal. ~a
[2011-12-12 15:21:23] - a: I think Daniel is talking about a difference between copyright law, which you're accurately describing, and moral principle. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-12 15:12:24] - g: good question. netflix and hulu have agreements, but you're right, there are lots of times where it's less obvious like on youtube/other. ~a
[2011-12-12 14:47:46] - a: they are good if you can pull them off well, but I can easily see "was that the best approach" feeling patronizing. ~g
[2011-12-12 14:44:36] - a: in general how do you know if the copyright owner has a prior agreement? looking at the link I had they probably dont... but its not like I have validated Netflix or Hulu have agreements. What about Youtube? There are episodes of tv on there? Is it illegal for me to watch them or for them to host them or both? ~g
[2011-12-12 14:35:24] - 9 things that motivate employees more than money. i really think these are all good, but i'd also pair them with money or you'll seem like a dbag manager. ~a
[2011-12-12 14:34:09] - g: no, streaming is illegal if the copyright owner doesn't have a prior agreement. ~a
[2011-12-12 14:24:58] - daniel: http://www.veoh.com/list/videos/anime ~g
[2011-12-12 14:23:36] - Daniel: There are websites that stream Anime... have you checked if its available on Netflix? Not sure if its illegal on the streaming sites you watch it online rather than downloading it to a local machine... ~g
[2011-12-12 14:19:46] - Even if borrowing is legal. -Daniel
[2011-12-12 14:19:38] - a: I'm not sure that the legal definitions of things is always what I use to decide whether I'm ok with something or not. I agree that the law treats them differently but that seem pretty close in principle. People talk about piracy a lot as content producers losing out on getting paid for content so borrowing the dvd's seems to fall under that as well. -Daniel
[2011-12-12 14:05:02] - borrowing dvds is legal. downloading content you don't own off of the internet is illegal. so the answer to your first question is yes: yes it's different. i also don't know why you wouldn't feel ok borrowing the series when it's perfectly legal. i'd have a hard time saying you had "stolen" the first 3/4 of the series when what you're doing then was legal. ~a
[2011-12-12 14:01:54] - daniel: borrowing dvds isn't illegal. ~a
[2011-12-12 13:57:58] - And since clearly I felt ok about borrowing the series from Miguel should I feel ok about pirating the last dvd's worth of episodes? Or should I feel bad that I've already "stolen" the first 3/4 of the series by watching it without contributing to the producers of the content. -Daniel
[2011-12-12 13:56:44] - At Miguel's party at his new place I saw an anime series he had that I was interested in. I borrowed it and I am currently 3/4 the way through watching it. However the last DVD is missing and hasn't been found yet. If I were to find to the last few episodes online(pirate it) and download/watch them is that any different than the behavior I've already done? -Daniel
[2011-12-12 13:47:42] - sorry. i'm done being pedantic now
~a[2011-12-12 12:53:48] - a: ok, jeez, yeah i meant html5 video. - mig
[2011-12-12 12:43:39] - mig: (pedantry) html5 on youtube is not in the experimental stage. there are tons of html5 things youtube uses all over the non-experimental site. use of the html5 <video> tag is still in the experimental stage. and it is only in the experimental stage for political/business reasons, not technical ones. ~a
[2011-12-12 12:23:19] - I guess I'm weird. I much prefer video over the net (Netflix) than net-video (YouTube). ABC News has started embedding their video of the news story in almost every article, and it annoys me greatly. I tend not to watch Yahtzee's reviews, even though I find them entertaining. The whole video thing... bugs me. -- Xpovos
[2011-12-12 12:19:08] - a: i think html5 on youtube is still in the experimental stage. - mig
[2011-12-12 11:36:29] - mig: do we get to watch flash-less video yet? ~a
[2011-12-12 10:50:08] - so, new youtube look. yay or nay? - mig
[2011-12-09 14:59:02] - Daniel: i know Snooki got a book deal after the Jersey Shore. strangely enough, it wasn't as profitable as running for president. -nina
[2011-12-09 13:13:37] - Daniel: Lyndon LaRouche? -- Xpovos
[2011-12-09 13:08:07] - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/newt-gingrich-books-campaign-2012_n_1138614.html Did things like this use to happen as well and I just never paid enough attention? Or is this a new idea to run for office in order to make a profit on book sales? Palin is the first I can think of to really capitalize on just running for office w/o being elected. -Daniel
[2011-12-09 11:56:54] - paul: yeah, it's not like the kid bought his guns on campus. he bought them in the areas around the campus. prohibiting students to have a gun on campus doesn't do much when any idiot can buy a gun within a 15 min. drive from VT. -Nina
[2011-12-09 11:31:35] - although that being said there are tendencies for certain ... activities at certain schools. I am probably going to get in a lot of trouble for saying this but I have heard rape is super common at W&M. ~g
[2011-12-09 11:28:31] - just as a clarification, I was joking when I said it was part of the selection process. Primarily cause there are so many VT people on this board... ~g
[2011-12-09 11:24:47] - Nina: Ok, that makes more sense to me then. As I understand it, students are already prohibited from bringing guns onto campus at VT, so do you think the students and administration should've tried to get more restrictive state or federal gun laws then? -Paul
[2011-12-09 11:18:08] - paul: yeah, i think it's that and that the national media will bring more attention to anything that happens at VT now. -nina
[2011-12-09 11:12:19] - Nina: Ok, I've been thinking on it, and I think I understand what you're saying. Let me know if this is accurate: While the first incident might've been random chance, the students and administration of Virginia Tech didn't do anything afterwards (like more restrictive gun laws) to try to prevent future incidents, so these later incidents aren't just random. -Paul
[2011-12-09 11:03:56] - I guess that could be the same thing as a lack of compassion... -Paul
[2011-12-09 11:03:13] - Nina: Hmmm, so it's not so much a lack of compassion as much as a lack of caring about what happened and trying to prevent it from happening again? -Paul
[2011-12-09 10:59:36] - what you didn't see happen at VT was an outpouring to prevent that from happening again (i.e. restrictive gun laws). Rutgers students immediately mobilized to get the admin to institute anti-bullying policies, etc. -nina
[2011-12-09 10:57:54] - I'm sure Rutgers would a ton of national news attention if another student committed suicide there tied to allegations of bullying. Even though suicide is pretty common on college campuses. -nina
[2011-12-09 10:44:38] - Paul: Well, your coldness is ammo for the 'heartless' argument, then.
-- Xpovos[2011-12-09 10:42:01] - that people thought* there was
[2011-12-09 10:41:49] - Paul: I think its less the cop being shot part and more that people there was a gunman loose on a campus. I think that would make "national news" in that the 24 hour news networks would report it. I think it does get magnified some with the rest of the VT history. -Daniel
[2011-12-09 10:27:35] - a: Not to sound cold, but I'm not sure if the shooting of a cop would've made national news if it had happened on almost any other campus. Same thing with the be-heading. -Paul
[2011-12-09 10:26:13] - a: Personally? I think it's mostly random coincidence, with the extra comment that I agree with the fact that everything that has happened since probably wouldn't have been news if the larger shooting hadn't happened. -Paul
[2011-12-09 10:23:56] - a: How is it leading? I was responding to the "i think that part of VT's problems are around how easy it is to get guns there" comment, in response to my lack of compassion clarification question. -Paul
[2011-12-09 10:20:18] - paul: your question is leading. what is your opinion of the lack-of-compassion vs gun control vs random coincidence? ~a
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