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[2015-06-29 11:55:06] - did anybody hear that FCPS is changing it so that the lowest student a grade can receive is a 53%? so in other words, a student who ignored half their assigments in 2013 would receive an F (50%) but starting in 2015 they will receive a C (75%)... very strange - aaron
[2015-06-29 10:43:41] - unless they are given more money in loans without any conditions attached. - mig
[2015-06-29 10:43:24] - a: TLDR on greece up until now - Greece had a really huge budget shortfall, borrowed a lot of money to cover it, but has blown those loans. Greece needs more money but creditors are unwilling to lend more money without attaching conditions, like reductions in Greek spending and reforming pensions. Greece says no, and is threatening to default on their current loans
[2015-06-29 10:35:42] - a: the effects globally I think depend on whether Greece leaving the eurozone causes a chain reaction of exits (Spain and Portugal are in a little better shape than Greece, but suffer from similar fiscal issues). - mig
[2015-06-29 09:28:55] - a: And so they actually CAN (and apparently have) run out of money. Also, yes, as I understand it, this could very much affect us. Lots of financial institutions have money sunk in Greek banks (they have to owe all that money to somebody), yadda yadda global economy yadda yadda. -Paul
[2015-06-29 09:27:38] - a: Well, I think the big reason Greece is different than us is because we control our money supply, so if we ever really got into bankruptcy problems, we could always just print more money (we basically kinda already do this). I don't think Greece has that same ability, since they use the Euro, which is controlled by... I guess the European Central Bank? -Paul
[2015-06-29 09:22:38] - title: yeah i actually saw the video before it was officially released on the internet. i saw a glimpse of it on vimeo or somewhere, where a random user had uploaded it. it blew my mind, but when i went to share it, it had been taken down. i had to torrent a copy via P2P networks to verify i wasn't going insane - aaron
[2015-06-29 09:20:03] - it looks like our stock market will open down this morning. ~a
[2015-06-29 09:18:41] - like bankrupt how? the economic problems we were having in the US in 2008 were mostly related to our banks. it sounds like greece's problems in 2010 and 2015 are related to the government . . . a sort of greek government-debt crisis. mainly, paul, (since i don't give a shit about europe) how will this affect me? will our stock market go down a bunch? ~a
[2015-06-29 08:59:22] - a: I haven't been following it too closely but... the country is bankrupt.
Does that answer your question? -Paul[2015-06-29 08:45:25] - what's happening in greece? ~a
[2015-06-29 07:44:55] - aaron: have you seen the music video? it. is. amazing. -title
[2015-06-26 13:22:12] - title: ha! ha! i love that that's in the wikipedia article for turn down for what. i wonder if there's guitar tabs for it - aaron
[2015-06-26 12:32:36] - xpovos: make that 3 rulings, yeah I forgot about that one. - mig
[2015-06-26 11:10:48] - mig: City of Los Angeles vs. Patel was also a fantastic outcome. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-26 10:59:04] - this gay marriage ruling. and horne v. agriculture. - mig
[2015-06-26 10:55:42] - mig: which 2 rulings? ~a
[2015-06-26 10:54:48] - mig: full ammo, full health, full armor? yeah, that was such a good feeling, i remember it to this day. did you ever play doom multiplayer? omg, so much awesome. ~a
[2015-06-26 10:35:50] - http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/26/us-usa-court-gaymarriage-idUSKBN0P61SW20150626 so that's that on that debate. Well at least there's 2 rulings to be pleased about this go round. - mig
[2015-06-26 10:03:21] - daniel: that might be the most accurate way to describe the court makeup. - mig
[2015-06-26 09:43:22] - I think of it as 4 fairly liberal justices, 3 staunch conservatives, 2 moderate conservatives (with Kennedy more moderate than Roberts - maybe even enough that he just be centrist or something). Thats how I generally think of it. -Daniel
[2015-06-25 23:31:53] - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIWo-BQWoAAerwi.jpg I think this beats the portal cube cake. - mig
[2015-06-25 15:52:08] - Roberts (appointed by W. Bush) is also fairly moderate. Honestly, the perception of the 5 "conservative hardliners" is mostly a myth if you actually take a look at how decisions break out. If anything, it's the liberal bloc that is the most rigid. - mig
[2015-06-25 15:48:57] - a: The reasons are several: you think he's more conservative than he is, you think he's the most eligible based on some set of criteria, you expect a, but get b, or even as simple as: I can get him through the Senate, but I can't get Bork through. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-25 15:41:36] - Also, I think Supreme Court Justice nomination is a little bit of a toss up. After all, George HW Bush nominated Souter, and he turned out to be more "liberal" than I think he expected. -Paul
[2015-06-25 15:39:08] - I typically don't count Kennedy as a liberal (doesn't he side with the conservative justices more often than the liberal justices?), but there's no doubt he's probably a little bit of a "disappointment" to conservatives based on who nominated him and his voting record. -Paul
[2015-06-25 15:34:26] - xpovos: why would regan appoint a liberal justice? i'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic. ~a
[2015-06-25 15:07:00] - Daniel: Yes, in this case. He's obviously the swingiest vote, but here he and Roberts sided with the more consistently liberal justices. Only Scalia, Thomas and Alito, the most staunchly conservative, typically, dissented. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-25 14:34:33] - google maps returns different maps depending on who is looking at them. this is very surprising to me and it saddens me a little bit. sometimes i use google to decide what the world thinks about things, and google maps (just like google search) returns stuff that just reaffirms my (incorrect?) worldview. ~a
[2015-06-25 14:03:22] - Are we counting Kennedy on the liberal side in the 6-3 vote? -Daniel
[2015-06-25 13:51:25] - xpovos: yeah, worthy read, but utterly depressing at the same time. - mig
[2015-06-25 12:50:12] - So, I was the closest right? I thought I said 5-4 in favor of upholding with Roberts being the swing vote. -Paul
[2015-06-25 11:35:54] - mig: Read Scalia's dissent in entirety. Well worth it. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-25 11:29:06] - I can't imagine allowing government agencies to creatively twist the language of provisions of a law based on what they think congress meant is a good idea. - mig
[2015-06-25 11:25:16] - xpovos: parsing it now. but by the summary, this could be a really disastrous precedent that just was set. - mig
[2015-06-25 11:22:26] - Apparently Roberts' opinion was strong enough for Sotomayor and Kagan to join with, which was my biggest question going in. It's kind of a bizarro world result though, and even the Roberts opinion contains a lot of language like, "Yeah, this law is jacked, but we're not messing with it." -- Xpovos
[2015-06-25 10:35:42] - 6-3, the subsidies live. Roberts with the opinion, joined by the liberal side. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-25 10:31:31] - King v. Burwell opinion is in. Haven't even read the headline yet, though. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-24 10:06:16] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yusZ__hr7x4 someone from pixar talks about the problems with cars -- how do the characters do even the simplest things when they don't have hands? - aaron
[2015-06-23 14:25:19] - http://www.salon.com/2015/06/22/hillary_clinton_is_going_to_lose_she_doesnt_even_see_the_frustrated_progressive_wave_that_will_nominate_bernie_sanders/ Sanders hype is definitely rising. Not sure it matches with electoral reality, though. - mig
[2015-06-23 13:06:28] - xpovos: the marvel case was kind of bizzare, I still don't fully understand it. - mig
[2015-06-23 12:59:33] - xpovos: i got super excited by the result of Horne v. Agriculture, particularly with how hard the government got smacked down by SCOTUS (8-1), though now Sotamayor may be my least favorite justice of the lot. - mig
[2015-06-23 12:38:25] - Getting caught up on my SCOTUS reviews... "the final paragraph in Kimble cites S. Lee and S. Ditko, Amazing Fantasy No. 15"; "Some clerk is exceedingly proud of that cite." -- Xpovos
[2015-06-23 10:45:32] - a: certainly, and I have no issues with using that sort of measurement. - mig
[2015-06-23 10:17:33] - a: And that seems to hold true, if the source data is correct, and if we're looking at a single variable (Sulpher oxides). -- Xpovos
[2015-06-23 10:05:56] - mig: fair enough. but "just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars" is a slightly more testable argument. ~a
[2015-06-23 09:33:31] - Now, I don't doubt that those ships emit some really bad stuff that we probably want to curb those type of emissions, but alarmist bullshit statistics like that really grate on me. - mig
[2015-06-23 09:27:37] - "One of the study's co-authors, James Corbett, professor of marine and earth studies at the University of Delaware, conducted earlier research that quantified through statistical analysis how many people may die from shipborne pollution each year." (emph mine) Thats, um, a lot less definitive than "leads to 60,000 deaths/year". - mig
[2015-06-23 09:26:24] - So I followed the link to find out more, and came across this following passage ...
[2015-06-23 09:25:41] - a: something that raised my eyebrows: "The setting up of a low emission shipping zone follows US academic research which showed that pollution from the world's 90,000 cargo ships leads to 60,000 deaths a year in the US alone", that's a pretty alarming statistic. - mig
[2015-06-23 08:52:50] - "just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars". hmmm wow. ~a
[2015-06-19 11:06:44] - http://www.sportskeeda.com/football/carlos-henrique-kaiser-the-story-of-footballs-greatest-conman the story of carlos henrique 'kaiser' -- a guy who faked a whole bunch of injuries and elaborate stunts to make sure nobody knew he couldn't actually play football and sustained a 20-year career somehow - aaron
[2015-06-18 16:39:18] - there's a reddit thread where his proposal is getting discussed and it isn't getting totally shit on, which is rather stunnning given this particular subreddits strong liberal presence. - mig
[2015-06-18 16:34:26] - At the very least, he's giving a bold idea the old college try. That's refreshing in a way, I suppose. - mig
[2015-06-18 16:31:48] - xpovos: yeah, can't argue with that. It's worth noting he's still leaving in the Mortage Insurance Credit and the EITC. Some political cows are just way too sacred it seems. - mig
[2015-06-18 16:21:14] - So, I guess it's plausible, but again, consistently? It'd be good for a lot of reasons, but there are a lot of vested interests that would fight against it. Every spending decrease hurts someone's livelihood. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-18 16:20:27] - mig: Depends on data sources, of course. The one I used below only went to 2010. CATO has one for through 2014 which indicates 2014 was higher than 2013; but that 2012 was lower than 2011, so that refutes my point just as validly. Of course, it's a relatively small decrease. But it's in the ballpark of what Rand Paul is looking for on a yearly permanent basis.
[2015-06-18 16:17:34] - granted, though, yes it is difficult to rein in spending, or even pretending to rein in spending. - mig
[2015-06-18 16:16:29] - xpovos: didn't overall spending decrease last fiscal year? - mig
[2015-06-18 15:12:27] - mig: The devil is in the details, but in this case, it's not even in the details, it's in the $200B/yr OBM delta calculation. It only even works conceptually if he can prove he can cut the budget, something no one's done since 1969. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-18 14:10:42] - http://www.cnbc.com/id/102769595 thoughts? I don't know how I feel about it since I get a little leery when "flat tax" is thrown around, but it does seem like at least more thought out (esp when compared to the silly 9-9-9 herman cain "plan"). Though I'm interested in seeing the nitty-gritty details. - mig
[2015-06-18 12:32:30] - aaron: don't answer the phone call. solved.
~a[2015-06-18 11:43:00] - mig: yeah that's a good question. i assume it's something like you're descirbing -- bonuses or promotions. i think his exact words were something like "because it's how i get paid". i'm sure they're competing with other dealerships, trying to get 98% satisfaction instead of 96% satisfaction, and the only way to do that is to game the surveys - aaron
[2015-06-18 11:41:10] - mig: yeah i think they're getting pretty widespread. my mom was telling me about one time she gave them a 4 out of 5 for "timeliness" because they were 15 minutes late, and she got a call back from the service technician later that day pleading with her to change her survey response - aaron
[2015-06-18 11:40:34] - what if you don't take the survey by ignoring the call? is it all 10s or all 1s by default? - mig
[2015-06-18 11:38:48] - though (s)he is probably is exaggerating. It probably factors into bonuses/promotions, but not whether they get paid at all. - mig
[2015-06-18 11:38:13] - it's like some kind of heisenberg customer satisfaction uncertainty principle... can't they find a less irritating way to monitor my satisfaction? do i really have to be guilted into doing these bogus 1-10 surveys which really just boil down to one yes or no question- aaron
[2015-06-18 11:37:51] - aaron: I heard that before, but not from the person being rated by the survey right before I took it. - mig
[2015-06-18 11:35:07] - have any of you guys ever gotten service from a service technician or salesman or something who's told you, "you're going to get a call with a survey, asking you to rate me from 1-10, and 10s are the only passing grade. i'd appreciate it if you gave me all 10s because that's the only way i get paid" - aaron
[2015-06-18 10:49:58] - xpovos: the series has shifted the central character from Solid Snake to Big Boss in the last couple games, something that's probably confusing if you haven't played any of the games since MGS4. - mig
[2015-06-18 10:37:03] - mig: Huh... Cool? Thanks for the correction. Probably makes more sense this way. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-18 10:17:38] - xpovos: that's not actually Solid Snake. - mig
[2015-06-18 10:14:34] - Solid Snake is having a chat with Zombie Lone Ranger? http://static.trueachievements.com/customimages/041908.jpg -- Xpovos
[2015-06-18 10:08:16] - paul: i dunno, because I guess we can technically can physically change someone's gender (with some limitations, obviously, like those who go from male -> female cannot bear children). We can probably change someone's skin color, but that doesn't change there race, since lineage is sort of a vital component, which really can't be changed. - mig
[2015-06-18 10:07:24] - paul: well i agree with miguel's sentiment -- rejecting your gender isn't offensive to other men, we don't think of it as "rejecting male culture". but rejecting your heritage is offensive to your family, we definitely think of it as "rejecting white culture". which sounds silly, but if you substitute "white" for something else it's a more intuitive objection - aaron
[2015-06-17 23:48:31] - http://beneathvt.com/ . . . ha, the pictures and the map . . . ah, memory lane. ~a
[2015-06-17 17:17:28] - When they were clearly born a male. -Paul
[2015-06-17 17:17:22] - mig: I still don't think I understand the difference. Sure, some of the new revelations for this specific person (appearing to not believe your biological parents are your actual parents) seem to cross a line, but in general, I don't see a difference between somebody claiming to be black (when they're clearly white) vs somebody claiming to be a woman... -Paul
[2015-06-17 14:20:49] - xpovos: well there's severing ties is one thing, denying your biological parents gave birth to you (which she is actually asserting now) is quite another. - mig
[2015-06-17 14:08:25] - mig: There'd be little uproar if she was denying her whiteness. But she's attempting to present herself as black; that's the issue. An analogy to transgender though would be, you don't have to identify as male, but you're not allowed to identify as female. And that restriction solves many of the same qualms people feel about transgender issues. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-17 14:06:51] - mig: I think I understand some of the nuance you're trying to pull out, but transgender is equally far removed from the reality. Severing ties isn't even all that uncommon. The bigger concern is the attempt to appropriate something else that wasn't inherent. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-17 11:52:54] - That's why I think this trans-racial thing crosses a line in my mind to the point of unacceptability. - mig
[2015-06-17 11:49:25] - But anyways, I think for me it just goes back to original point I made. Gender is specific to the person. Nothing else (IMO) is affected by that choice. Your race isn't determined by just you. It's denying your ancestry, saying your biological parents aren't really your parents (something Dolzeal actually claimed). To me that's what separates the 2. - mig
[2015-06-17 11:42:44] - doing that is just a more refined method of blackface, essentially. - mig
[2015-06-17 11:40:40] - xpovos: sure, you can wish away your pigmentation if you wish. I doesn't make you black/hispanic/indian though. - mig
[2015-06-17 11:40:16] - That said, I am pretty clear on which side I fall on, it's a psychosis to attempt to wish away your gender or sex, and I'd consider it similarly deranged to attempt a fantasy on racial identity. But that doesn't mean I view them differently. I'm just an equal-opportunity bigot.
-- Xpovos[2015-06-17 11:39:05] - mig: Why not? I'm not even talking about gender, but even sex! If I can wish myself some boobs and wish away my penis with drugs and surgery, how is wishing away(in) pigmentation any different? Arguably, Michael Jackson was doing this 20 years ago. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-17 11:38:29] - My point about the cultural stuff is that yeah, you can be in tune with a culture, you can actually identify with that culture, but it doesn't automagically make you part of the race of that culture. - mig
[2015-06-17 11:36:41] - a: fair enough, but there's more to gender than some personal preferences. And again, gender is a personal thing, so I don't think it's too outlandish for someone to sort of "choose" their gender. You can't just wish away your ancestry. - mig
[2015-06-17 11:14:58] - mig: (full disclosure, i'm not sure which side of this debate i fall on) that works both ways: i consider myself fairly feminine: i enjoy frozen drinks, women lead singers, eating brunch, and talking about my feelings, but that doesn't change that i am male. on the reverse side, just because you like biking and action movies doesn't magically make you a man. ~a
[2015-06-17 10:37:20] - http://teropa.info/codeshapes guess code based on the shapes. i got 4/10 but i think i got kind of lucky. i only really knew like 30%-50% of the languages so there was a lot of guessing - aaron
[2015-06-17 10:11:16] - I mean, I consider myself fairly americanized, I don't speak spanish much, I don't connect culturally with hispanic-y things, but that doesn't change that I am hispanic. On the reverse side, just because someone had a quinceanera or knows how to play a zampones magically makes one hispanic. - mig
[2015-06-16 21:13:15] - paul: shortish answer. gender is personal. one's race is more than about the person and therefore you can't just suddenly decide to change your lineage at your whim. - mig
[2015-06-16 16:48:27] - mig: How do you consider it different? -Paul
[2015-06-16 16:01:45] - it's also been generating some really akwardly funny commentary from the punditry. - mig
[2015-06-16 15:11:38] - paul: I find the 2 concepts to be different. What struck me, was the bizzarre-ness of how she was able to keep this facade going for so long and to reach such a position within the NCAAP. - mig
[2015-06-16 13:46:58] - mig: I didn't find the thing interesting at all until I started to think about it with regards to transsexuals. Seems weird for anybody to condemn one but not the other. -Paul
[2015-06-16 11:51:40] - I'm finding this Rachel Dolezal thing very fascinating. Is "trans-racial" really going to be a thing now? - mig
[2015-06-15 18:30:42] - daniel: ¿you guess? ¡yes! ~a
[2015-06-15 15:33:35] - mig: extra exclamation point makes it spanish? I guess? -Daniel
[2015-06-15 15:26:53] - aaron: I was referring to true backwards compatibility (as in the machine actually supports directly playing the older games). Yeah, playstation now exists, but it is very limiting. - mig
[2015-06-15 15:26:33] - mig: "oh, that sucks my PS4 isn't backwards compatible, that means i can't play ratchet and clank. oh wait but... i can pay $24.99 to... rent it?? to rent my copy for 90 days? uhh..." - aaron
[2015-06-15 15:24:36] - This really made my day. - mig
[2015-06-15 15:23:50] - mig: oh here it is, playstation now? i guess it used to be called "gaikai" but they changed their name. either way it seems a lot crappier than XBox one -- you have to pay a subscription fee, it seems to defeat the purpose of backwards compatibility - aaron
[2015-06-15 15:19:34] - mig: before the PS4's release, they said they were gonna support backwards-compatibility with some kind of cloud-based service. not for all games, but at least for some of them. i guess that fell apart, or maybe they haven't gotten around to it yet - aaron
[2015-06-15 15:15:38] - Known supported titles include Mass Effect, Battleblock Theatre, Defense Grid, Toy Soliders, Viva Pinata and a host of Rare titles. Rare is clearly working very closely with MS, as is Behemoth, so the fact that those are the initial group isn't surprising. Wonder if other devs will have to do work to port, and if so who will do it? -- Xpovos
[2015-06-15 15:13:47] - mig: It's going to work functionally identical to the current X1 titles. Insert disk, install to HD, disk must be present for DRM purposes. XBL purchases will transfer over as well and those won't need any disk. That includes XBLA, as long as the title is supported. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-15 14:57:04] - paul: well sort of, different architecture but not as wide a gap as the ps3->ps4. The cell processor was a real oddball in many respects. - mig
[2015-06-15 14:53:34] - mig: From what I understand, the Xbox One and Xbox 360 have pretty drastically different architectures too, so I'm not sure how Microsoft is going to accomplish it... -Paul
[2015-06-15 14:51:03] - a: the problem is that that the ps3 and ps4 have completely different architectures (ps3 had some weird cell processor thing whereas the ps4 is intel based), so I imagine that would create some massive overhead to attempt any software emulation, in addition to the normal overhead you would have trying to do emulation. - mig
[2015-06-15 14:39:24] - mig: not even with emulation? ~a
[2015-06-15 14:32:13] - Sadly (for me), it would be nearly a technical impossibility for Sony to do something similar. - mig
[2015-06-15 14:30:25] - xpovos: so you can actually play the games from an Xbox disk? That's actually pretty surprising. - mig
[2015-06-15 13:28:41] - Paul: The cloud saves are cloud, so they should still be accessible from the One. If they need to be migrated physically that can still be done, but it might require a few steps and a USB drive. That's the worst case scenario and I can't imagine it being true. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-15 13:26:27] - Xpovos: Nice, will cloud saves migrate as well? -Paul
[2015-06-15 13:04:00] - Xbox One going to be backwards compatible. Finally. ~100 titles by Christmas 2015. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-15 12:18:56] - if you haven't seen it yet, patton oswalt's quote on fury road is fitting, imo. ~a
[2015-06-15 11:00:52] - aaron:
yeah, a bar graph would probably be better. or leave off the red and blue lines entirely. ~a[2015-06-15 09:15:14] - a: it's throwing my brain off that the three lines intersect at a single point twice... my brain's like... "the intersection is important!" no brain... no... - aaron
[2015-06-14 12:30:48] - aaron: sounds like the plot to a metalocalypse episode. ~a
[2015-06-14 10:29:30] - http://aporter.org/pics/misc/jurassic.png ~a
[2015-06-13 13:04:02] - WITNESS ME - dave grohl
[2015-06-13 10:08:10] - \m/>.<\m/
[2015-06-13 00:41:18] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXz9cnevWI&feature=youtu.be dave grohl broke his leg during a concert in gothenburg yesterday. he apologized and said he had to go to the hospital, and they'd make it up to the fans. his band played 3 songs without him, and then the medics wheeled him out with his leg in a splint and he finished the concert - aaron
[2015-06-13 00:40:18] - xpovos: it's a free OS, but i think it's adware now. i'm not 100% sure what the profit model is for windows 10 but i didn't install it - aaron
[2015-06-13 00:30:50] - wtf is this shit? http://lifehacker.com/how-to-hide-the-get-windows-10-icon-from-your-taskbar-1708536452 I download 'critical system update' and it's advertisements to purchase a new OS? -- Xpovos
[2015-06-12 15:38:02] - gotcha. ~a
[2015-06-12 15:09:54] - a: i didn't get to that point before she went dark on me. - mig
[2015-06-12 15:03:32] - have you discussed an in-person meeting? ~a
[2015-06-12 14:18:59] - mig: I'd give her a shot. It's not 'fair', but you gain nothing by excluding her because of a prior decision of that nature. That doesn't mean to completely forget it. It happened and it might be indicative of some other items that would be concerning, but I would try not to let that be the deciding factor. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-12 13:58:29] - so for the hypothetical: if she decides to re-establish communication w/ me, is this prospect something I should entertain? I doubt she will, but I've been wondering what I would do if the situation did arise. - mig
[2015-06-12 13:56:55] - so i have an online dating hypothetical: Roughly one year ago there was a girl I was talking to for a bit. Shortly after I asked if she wanted to start communicating by email, she went silent (Which isn't surprising, since this happens quite a lot to me). A day or 2 ago I noticed that she was active on the site again. - mig
[2015-06-12 13:20:44] - http://observer.com/2015/06/the-pecking-disorder-social-justice-warriors-gone-wild/ after reading this, I am curious in what tier I reside in the social justice hierarchy as a straight hispanic male. - mig
[2015-06-12 11:46:49] - a: ah i did misunderstand. - mig
[2015-06-12 11:28:53] - mig: sorry, no i think you misunderstood. i was saying: hey, i think 11 is 5th grade. 5th grade is pretty fucking old. old enough to be hanging around the outside of your parents house for 90 minutes assuming it's not like 1000 degrees out. ~a
[2015-06-12 10:41:45] - a: Yeah. There are a million CPS horror stories out there, and they're largely overblown. This one is special, though. -- Xpovos
[2015-06-12 10:41:26] - a: is 11 for 5th grade that really that far off? That seems about right, honestly. - mig
[2015-06-12 10:38:31] - 11 is 5rd grade? wtf. i hope there's more to this story. "the responding officer found our yard good enough to relieve himself in while our son sat in a police car alone" HA. this story is amazing. ~a
[2015-06-12 10:26:59] - http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/11-year-old-boy-played-in-his-yard-cps-t -- Xpovos
[2015-06-11 17:03:44] - a: And it is applicable to other hot button topics as well, like the Hobby Lobby case. -Paul
[2015-06-11 17:02:23] - a: Well, to be honest, I'm still not entirely sure why you're so dismissive/against the cake cases. Yes, there have been "stunts" (like trying to get a baker to make an anti-gay marriage cake), but the original case doesn't appear to be a stunt in any way, and I think it's a pretty serious case in terms of restricting freedom of association. -Paul
[2015-06-11 16:59:01] - well i hope you know i don't fit in that category. westboro/kkk can use all the three and four letter words they want nearby funerals and quinceañeras. it's cool until a clan member, pet store owner, refuses to sell white kittens to asians. i'm joking, but be honest, wouldn't it be awesome if that were the court case instead of this bullshit cake business? ~a
[2015-06-11 16:51:36] - a: Not necessarily. I did say "kind of".
I was more thinking about offensive type of speech. It's easy to support free speech if we're only talking about Ann Coulter/Bill Maher calling democrats/republicans names, but it's a lot harder to do when you get Westboro throwing around F-bombs (the three letter kinds). -Paul[2015-06-11 16:35:34] - a: it does not. However, it should be noted that most of what you mention has a really high bar to be legally actionable. And tangible harm needs to be demonstrated. - mig
[2015-06-11 16:30:01] - well, i believe cp should be illegal. i also think slander and libel should be illegal. i hope you don't think that alone means "that i don't believe in [freedom of speech] at all", do you? ~a
[2015-06-11 16:04:34] - a: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/ And the "fire in a crowded movie theater" actually has an interesting backstory. -Paul
[2015-06-11 16:04:19] - a: Mostly, yes. -Paul
[2015-06-11 15:54:25] - paul: "if you don't believe in freedom of speech for the most vile, disagreeable things, then you don't believe in it at all" ridiculous nonsense. you think cp should be legal? cp=(slander/libel. defamation. fire-crowded-movie-theater. clear-and-present-danger. obscenities on the airwaves. cp? campaign finance?) ~a
[2015-06-11 15:54:07] - a: Right, and the good news is that despite all the ideological debate, the practical affects are fairly harmless. If the worst legalized bigotry we have to worry about right now is some minuscule number of business don't want to create very specific things, and the worst we have to worry about are hurt feelings... we're doing okay. -Paul
[2015-06-11 15:51:00] - a: I think I mentioned this before, but I'm kind of the opinion that it's easy to believe in freedom of speech for inoffensive things, but if you don't believe in freedom of speech for the most vile, disagreeable things, then you don't believe in it at all. I tend to extend that to other freedoms as well. -Paul
[2015-06-11 15:50:44] - paul: you have a fair point. it is a bit of a stretch to go from: i need to buy groceries from your grocery store, to say, i need to be able to be a customer of your strip club. otoh, i think all races (sexualities) should be allowed into a strip club. ~a
[2015-06-11 15:49:28] - a: I don't have any data, I guess. -Paul
[2015-06-11 15:48:07] - paul: yeah i like freedom of association. but like freedom of speech, and a well regulated militia, i believe in exceptions. ~a
[2015-06-11 15:47:25] - paul: where does your data go? also, what does the fox say? ~a
[2015-06-11 15:39:04] - a: Finally, I do not use git or any type of source control.
-Paul[2015-06-11 15:36:35] - a: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-indiana-law-discrimination-pizzeria-20150402-story.html In fact, I would argue the push back from the other side has been doing much more to prevent people from being productive members of society. -Paul
[2015-06-11 15:35:55] - a: One last point: From a practical standpoint, "refusing to do business with me can ruin my ability to be a productive member of society" hardly applies here. We're talking about a situation where some tiny minority of bakeries don't want to create a very specific type of cake. That hardly prevents anybody from being a productive member of society. -Paul
[2015-06-11 15:23:31] - a: Understood, and I can completely understand why somebody would support freedom of speech but not freedom of association. I support both, and I was just trying to rationalize to everybody why I would make it legal for a business to be "whites only". -Paul
[2015-06-11 15:06:40] - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/10/obama-ashton-carter-iraq-islamic-state/71007408/ well there goes that promise.... - mig
[2015-06-11 12:06:35] - xpovos: I would have thought the GOP would just sit back and just let the democrats snipe at each other over this issue. - mig
[2015-06-11 09:57:01] - So glad to see that idiocy really is bi-partistan. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/paul-ryans-pelosi-esque-obamatrade-moment-its-declassified-and-made-public-once-its-agreed-to/ -- Xpovos
[2015-06-10 16:58:01] - aaron: yeah, if we were in subversion we wouldn't have had the histories. it's the "we would have had to find out who had the newest version of each repository . . . manually?" it would have been a mess too running "svn up". subversion would have failed since the svn version numbers would have all reset. ~a
[2015-06-10 16:50:29] - a: but yeah because of git's decentralized model it's way better if the server goes down. you can just all agree, "adrian's machine is the new server!" "okay" - aaron
[2015-06-10 16:49:53] - a: i don't understand, you don't need internet for subversion do you? **svnadmin create /h/foo; svn co file:///h/foo bar**? i'm not 100% sure why what you did was easier with git than subversion, but it's probably easier to explain in person than over message board - aaron
[2015-06-10 16:48:06] - daniel: and then i love to tell the story about the subversion days when the server died and we lost all of the history. we spent an entire week (~100 man-days) trying to figure out who had the newest version of each branch. in git, we would have just run "git push" and been done. fuck, man, i could talk about git for hours. i love it! ~a
[2015-06-10 16:47:02] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/06/10/revenge-of-the-nerds-magic-the-gathering-thief-caught-in-elaborate-trap/?tid=pm_local_pop_b two guys stole a guy's magic: the gathering card collection, and were caught a when a game store baited them into selling the stolen merchandise. - aaron
[2015-06-10 16:46:03] - for example, "git commit --amend" is something i run *often* in my day-to-day to build up a better and better commit until the commit is AWESOME.
~a[2015-06-10 16:45:24] - daniel: i have many many other stories like that one. but even the day-to-day stuff is easier/better. i run "git init" in tons of directories i wouldn't have ever considered creating a subversion repository. locate -r '\.git$' . . . i have 1700 git repositories (with full history) on my development machine. ~a
[2015-06-10 16:34:09] - in, no exaggeration, five minutes, i had us up and running. while read dir; do (mkdir $dir && cd $dir && git init --bare ); done change developer's /etc/hosts . . . boom. once we were back home, we changed our /etc/hosts back and deveolpment continued back to normal. ~a
[2015-06-10 16:34:02] - with subversion, we would have had to create repositories . . . with no history. with no fucking log because there was no fucking internet. we would have just had a snapshot of what we had on our dev boxes. we would have had to find out who had the newest version of each repository . . . manually? with git, though, we all had history on our dev boxes. ~a
[2015-06-10 16:33:51] - daniel: i showed up to a client site once, and found there was no internet! oh no, the three developers there needed to quickly do a bunch of development (all night), on 10+ different repositories, without internet. fuck. ~a
[2015-06-10 16:30:58] - the being able to organize commits while disconnected from the main repo is something I see as very appealing but since none of us travel or are otherwise in a disconnected state. Though I suppose it'd be useful when we have a network outage. - mig
[2015-06-10 16:27:42] - a: What crazy shit have you done in a pinch with git? -Daniel
[2015-06-10 16:05:48] - title: yep. ~a
[2015-06-10 15:41:45] - aaron: i understand and agree. i had a time too before i switched to (dvorak/linux/git) 100% and it was hard for my brain to go whole hog into the new way. but at least for linux and git, once i went 100% in, i started seeing that not every problem was a nail or whatever. ~a
[2015-06-10 15:36:29] - a: i use svn at work. i alternate between svn and git at home depending on how much much brain power i'm willing to dedicate to source control
switching to git for me is kind of like switching to dvorak -- i accept it's probabyl a good idea and something i should do some day, but it's still harder for me because i haven't put in the time - aaron[2015-06-10 15:32:44] - the kind of crazy shit i've done in a pinch with git that would have been *completely* impossible with subversion has sold me. i'll ditch git only when something new comes along. something better than both. ~a
[2015-06-10 15:31:22] - better than what? better than subversion? "Git is not better than Subversion. But is also not worse. It's different." good quote. but honestly, considering how it is "different" i'll (likely) never use subversion again. ~a
[2015-06-10 15:05:07] - a: I'm on git now with Miguel. I'm not sure why git is better though. -Daniel
[2015-06-10 13:00:06] - if your answer is "no", then what are you using for source control? ~a
[2015-06-10 11:06:04] - WOOOO, congrats! aaron/daniel/paul/gurkie/amy: are any of you on git now too? ~a
[2015-06-10 10:46:09] - a: our main development branch is on git now. - mig
[2015-06-10 09:40:16] - because sticks and stones can break my bones, but refusing to do business with me can ruin my ability to be a productive member of society. you wanna say horrible things, i don't care. you wanna *do* horrible things, things that affect other people? that's where we have a problem. ~a
[2015-06-09 18:00:24] - a: My question to you, I guess, is do you think the Westboro Baptist Church should be free to say the horrible things they do? -Paul
[2015-06-09 18:00:01] - a: Which, yes, means white people (or whoever) shouldn't HAVE to serve blacks/minorities. I know that makes me sound like a bigot, and the best defense I have for that is the same reason I would defend the Westboro Baptist Church or the Nazis marching in Skokie (hence the analogy). -Paul
[2015-06-09 17:58:18] - a: Which means Jewish bakers don't have to make nazi cakes. Christian bakers don't have to make gay wedding cakes. Nobody HAS to make any cakes for anybody else if they don't want to. -Paul
[2015-06-09 17:57:19] - a: I know, I was making an analogy. This is freedom of association. I believe people should be free to associate with whoever they want (and on the flipside, free to NOT associate with whoever they want). -Paul
[2015-06-09 17:28:58] - "freedom of speech is meaningless unless we cover speech that we disagree with" there's plenty of speech we disagree with that isn't "covered". (slander/libel. defamation. fire-crowded-movie-theater. clear-and-present-danger. obscenities on the airwaves. cp? campaign finance?) ~a
[2015-06-09 17:24:12] - this is freedom . . . to repress? not sure if that was in the bill of rights. ~a
[2015-06-09 17:22:07] - but this isn't freedom of speech. ~a
[2015-06-09 17:20:44] - a: Freedom of association is meaningless if we make exceptions for associations we don't agree with, just like freedom of speech is meaningless unless we cover speech that we disagree with. -Paul
[2015-06-09 17:20:02] - a: The short answer that makes me sound like an asshole? Yes, I think people should be allowed to serve whites only for the same reason I think the Westboro Baptist Church should be free to picket funerals. Because defending a freedom (association/speech) means defending it for even the people you disagree with the most. -Paul
[2015-06-09 17:18:33] - a: I don't like the requirement that it be "strictly bigotry", though, because it seems too arbitrary (fuzzy?) to me, as evidenced by all these "stunts" (as you call them). Besides, I don't see how it's any worse to refuse to make a gay wedding cake because you don't believe in gay marriage vs some non-bigotry reason (hate people named "Paul"?). -Paul
[2015-06-09 15:02:55] - paul/mig: i'll make a hypothetical though
. . . do you think "whites only" should be a legal in an american business? should a business owner be able to advertise that they only accept certain races for business? i feel like i've asked this question before, but i forget the answer. ~a[2015-06-09 15:00:24] - paul: "people who think it should be illegal for bakers to deny service" i hate to focus on a pedantic response, but i don't think it should always be illegal for bakers to deny service. i only think denying service should be illegal when it's strictly bigotry. as aaron said, that can be a fuzzy line especially when hypotheticals/stunts are involved. ~a
[2015-06-09 14:41:47] - paul: yeah i agree, maybe i'm giving them too much credit having a cake with "my religion says homosexuality is a sin" doesn't seem too different from having a cake with "no on prop 8" or whatever. i can understand if one seems more hateful or one seems to cross a line but it's a fuzzy line - aaron
[2015-06-09 12:43:17] - a: Having said all that, I still don't understand how "'yes to equality' and 'no to equality' isn't symmetrical". Do you have some reasoning behind that? Are you saying it's okay to force a baker to make a cake saying "Yes to equality" but wrong to force them to make one saying "No to equality"? -Paul
[2015-06-09 12:41:07] - a: "and I would support their right to say, 'No, this is personally offensive to my beliefs. I will not do it.'" -Paul
[2015-06-09 12:40:59] - a: "It was not because this was a gay couple that they objected," he said. "It was not because they were going to be celebrating some kind of marriage or agreement between them. It was the actual words on the cake that they objected to because they found them offensive..." -Paul
[2015-06-09 12:40:32] - a: Patrick Stewart was only responding to this particular case, and based on how he phrased his response, I think he might actually be on your side when it comes to making a gay wedding cake or serving gay couples. -Paul
[2015-06-09 12:37:28] - a: I guess I understand why you're calling this a "stunt", but to be clear, it wasn't a stunt by Patrick Stewart or the BBC. It was a stunt from "your side" (people who think it should be illegal for bakers to deny service) and it's a fairly serious matter because the bakery was fined money for not making the cake. -Paul
[2015-06-09 11:32:10] - aaron: i'm re-watching west-wing right now, and one of the sorkin tropes is people who like to suggest that they're good at their job. every time somebody does this, i say to myself with a raspy voice "i'm good at my job!" ~a
[2015-06-09 09:40:25] - a: i thought they were going to make a feature length movie expanding on the plotline -- but it's possible i misunderstood, i can't find anything backing that up now - aaron
[2015-06-08 14:45:44] - oh yes yes, i've watched it many many times. audrey's friend loved it, my parents and sister loved it. imo, it's a great great movie. excellent special effects, excellent jokes. i think, though, if it were any longer it would have probably started to fall flat. otoh, do you know if they're going to make a sequel? ~a
[2015-06-08 14:39:33] - title: "tank you"? someone else watched kung fury? i've shown that movie to 2 or 3 people now, i love everything about it - aaron
[2015-06-08 14:26:01] - paul: is now a good time to become more conservative? honestly if you zoom out some more, the pattern seems less striking, but if you look at the "market" from 1995-2015, it looks like we could maybe slip. ~a
[2015-06-08 13:09:13] - ah ok. ~a
[2015-06-08 13:07:31] - a: i mean if the law says that certain reasons to refusing service are bad, you can't really hide behind the "i won't tell you why" rationale. - mig
[2015-06-08 13:04:08] - a: the law requires you give a reason? The aggrieved party can assume a reason for legal action if you don't give one, perhaps? - mig
[2015-06-08 13:00:20] - i have no idea why it's not much simpler to say "hey, no i won't do your wedding. no, i won't tell you why: i don't need to give a reason." until it becomes obvious why you're leaving out a class of the population, i feel like you'd be off scott free. ~a
[2015-06-08 12:51:08] - mig: well, i'm not a lawyer. ~a
[2015-06-08 12:50:28] - a: i don't see why, from a legal perspective, why the viewpoints not being symmetrical is relevant. - mig
[2015-06-08 12:50:09] - paul: things get muddy when you confuse: "i refuse to serve you because i don't like you" with "i won't write whatever you want on a cake" ~a
[2015-06-08 12:48:07] - paul: "There was an actual court case where somebody asked a baker to make a cake with the words 'support gay marriage' above a picture of Bert and Ernie" honestly i don't care about the stunts. i'd like to focus more on a regular fucking wedding cake for an actual wedding. ~a
[2015-06-08 12:46:30] - mig: "refusing to promote a viewpoint with which they find objectionable" is an oversimplification. the viewpoints aren't symmetrical. ~a
[2015-06-08 12:41:25] - paul: just as "yes to equality" and "no to equality" isn't symmetrical. ~a
[2015-06-08 12:15:28] - https://www.yahoo.com/movies/james-cameron-genisys-terminator-endorsement-121016156362.html I'm sold. -Paul
[2015-06-08 11:55:43] - a: And I'm completely confused as to why "yes to gay marriage" and "no to gay marriage" isn't symmetrical. Can you explain why? -Paul
[2015-06-08 11:53:41] - a: If it was a stunt, it wasn't by Patrick Stewart or the BBC. His point was that for this particular court case, he didn't think the baker should be fined. -Paul
[2015-06-08 11:52:29] - a: I'm confused (or maybe you are?). This isn't some theoretically that he is musing about. There was an actual court case where somebody asked a baker to make a cake with the words "support gay marriage" above a picture of Bert and Ernie. The baker refused, and they lost their court case and have been fined. -Paul
[2015-06-08 11:39:52] - definitely highlights a major issue with such laws if they can successfully be used in this way. - mig
[2015-06-08 11:39:34] - a: their symmetrical because the underlying principle behind each bakers refusal is practically the same (refusing to promote a viewpoint with which they find objectionable). And yes it's ridiculous because in both cases they are essentially stunts, and it's kind of deplorable because people are trying to use the law to essentially harass these bakers, and it ...
[2015-06-08 11:13:51] - aaron/paul: regardless. "yes to gay marriage" and "no to gay marriage" isn't symmetrical. just as "yes to equality" and "no to equality" isn't symmetrical. ~a
[2015-06-08 11:12:17] - aaron/paul: it's ridiculous that the "cake" issue has been co-opted/confused (by patrick stewart or the bbc or whoever) by a someone literally asking for "yes to gay marriage" written on a cake. that's a fucking stunt. a cake never have "yes to gay marriage" literally written on their cake. in fact, a wedding cake will rarely have any writing at all. ~a
[2015-06-08 10:05:28] - a: I think this issue is more symmetrical than you think. -Paul
[2015-06-08 10:05:11] - a: http://www.eonline.com/news/663888/patrick-stewart-clarifies-remarks-about-supporting-bakery-s-refusal-to-bake-support-gay-marriage-cake Try this link, it has a working video (go to the 33 second mark) and more info about what he said and the case. -Paul
[2015-06-08 10:01:17] - a: Sorry you can't view the video. I am not too familiar with the case, but in the video, Patrick Stewart says he supports the bakers because it wasn't about not serving gay couples, but specifically it was about creating a cake with a message supporting gay marriage. -Paul
[2015-06-08 09:37:56] - a: i think you might be confusing it with a similar case, where a wedding photographer refused to photograph a gay wedding. i agree that's not quite symmetrical, although i think it's close. - aaron
[2015-06-08 09:36:23] - a: is that true? i guess i misunderstood the cases -- i thought in both cases, the bakery was OK serving them, they just didn't want to write a specific message on a cake. so they weren't refusing to serve gay customers, they were just refusing to write pro-gay messages on cakes - aaron
[2015-06-07 10:07:16] - . . . it's not a symmetrical situation. in one situation you're refusing to serve somebody because of who they are, in the other situation you're refusing to serve somebody not because of that. ~a
[2015-06-07 10:05:45] - aaron/paul: i can't watch the video because it was taken down. but "homosexuality is a detestable sin—leviticus 18:22" is a very interesting wrinkle. interesting, but in the end it doesn't sway my opinion because it's not symmetrical. ~a
[2015-06-06 13:05:21] - For the people here that have Fios, do you mind me asking what internet plan you have? Verizon is saying I would see better performance from upgrading to their quantum 75 but I don't know if we need that. -Paul
[2015-06-05 13:13:53] - I'm curious, under UK law (or is this specific to N. Ireland?), if you are a freelance artist, and someone wanted you commission you to create a piece that promotes a political or religious viewpoint you find disagreeable, are you legally obligated to accept the commission? - mig
[2015-06-05 12:04:38] - paul: i was amused that there's an "Anti Gay Cake" counterpart too -- where a religious person asked for "Homosexuality is a detestable sin—Leviticus 18:22" to be written on a cake and the baker refused
- aaron[2015-06-05 12:01:00] - I feel that same way about beer and all alcoholic beverages. -Daniel
[2015-06-05 11:33:21] - http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/05/patrick-stewart-comes-out-in-favor-of-ba Two things I like talking about: Patrick Stewart and "Gay Cake". Pretty surprised that he ultimately comes down on the side of the baker. -Paul
[2015-06-05 11:08:50] - mig: without reading your description i started reading the article. and i was like, wtf who cares. rubio has had *four* driving infractions in 20 years. if anything, that seems below average. and average at worst. ~a
[2015-06-05 10:28:53] - The commercial programming has finally taken hold. -Paul
[2015-06-05 10:28:39] - aaron: I'm shocked to hear myself say this, but I think I've finally gotten to the point where certain beers have grown on me. I wouldn't necessarily say they taste good, but sometimes I actually crave a Yuengling or Guiness when playing games or grilling or watching sports. -Paul
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