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[2000-08-03 14:53:00] - i think it's rather interesting that you assume we dont know what poverty is....-Dave
[2000-08-03 14:52:00] - i've never had a problem doing my taxes or my brother's taxes.
[2000-08-03 14:52:00] - A fellow employee told me that in Sweden, they do your taxes for you. They print out a sheet with how much you owe and why. Then give it to you -Dav
[2000-08-03 14:52:00] - see i feel crappy discussing poverty with you because you don't know what it is, and i feel like i'm not getting anywhere
[2000-08-03 14:51:00] - Hurray! -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:51:00] - Thanks to all of this filibuster, the average byte length of a message has increased past 60! Stop this instant. -Aaron
[2000-08-03 14:51:00] - i honestly try to do my taxes every year, and end up not being sure at all whether they were right -dave
[2000-08-03 14:51:00] - The best kind of democrat
-Paul[2000-08-03 14:51:00] - Yay we hit 7 posts/minute
[2000-08-03 14:50:00] - I can perhaps see making people with a certain income excempt from taxes... as long as it was a temporary thing... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:50:00] - well whatever, I just don't think it's right for our taxes to be so mystical in nature - no one knowing exactly how much they should be taxed. -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:50:00] - yeah, but they're all apathetic democrats
[2000-08-03 14:49:00] - dave, which smilie were you trying to use?
[2000-08-03 14:49:00] - Well, most everyone was a democrat when we took the short quiz back at Tech... -paul
[2000-08-03 14:49:00] - now that was odd....-Dave
[2000-08-03 14:49:00] - yes, but that's not income tax, that goes into property and stocks and holdings, etc. we're not discussing that.
[2000-08-03 14:49:00] - ok, two step progressive then =) -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:49:00] - i'm here . . . i just have nothing to say . . . ever
[2000-08-03 14:48:00] - ok, two step progressive then =
[2000-08-03 14:48:00] - professional tax firms given the same info always come up with different tax.....that seems kinda ridiculous to me -dave
[2000-08-03 14:48:00] - nobody
[2000-08-03 14:48:00] - who else is a democrat?
[2000-08-03 14:48:00] - that would be me, me and me
[2000-08-03 14:48:00] - that would make it progressive, not flat
[2000-08-03 14:48:00] - (Where are all the democrats that were on this board before?) -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:47:00] - it would just make a lot more sense if people really knew what they were getting taxed. -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:47:00] - besides, just because there's a flat tax doesn't mean it can have a few clauses in it...everything alwys does...you could have 10% tax for 20K -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:47:00] - 17% is much higher than the current income tax for minimum wage
[2000-08-03 14:47:00] - The best way to help the poor isn't a hand-out, it's opportunity.... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:46:00] - when I researched flat taxes for ap gov, i think the number people came up with was 17% -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:45:00] - but you're right.....we are rather removed from it -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:45:00] - and having low taxes for poorer people helps them progress so that they keep earning more
[2000-08-03 14:45:00] - Besides, the taxes really need to go down as it is anyway, it's the government programs that help the poor that cost so much anyway -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:45:00] - my family makes money because my parents grew up in extreme poverty....-Dave
[2000-08-03 14:44:00] - Yes that is true. I think if I had ever lived during a time when money mattered to me, that I would care more about taxes. -Aaron
[2000-08-03 14:44:00] - Which is why you should make more then $20,000 a year... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:44:00] - that 20K still gets taxed. Like what? 20%?-Dave
[2000-08-03 14:44:00] - you sit fat and happy because your families make enough money, but you have never seen real poverty
[2000-08-03 14:44:00] - I would like you to justify why a progrssive tax isn't discrimination.... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:43:00] - and the extra money from the rich people would let the tax rate be set rather low -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:43:00] - no, that's not it. if you make $20,000 you can feed and house yourself, but not with flat taxes.
[2000-08-03 14:43:00] - i'm not saying we should have a complex progessive taxation system, just a progressive one. flat taxes hurt people who make minimum wage a lot.
[2000-08-03 14:42:00] - whoops, where did my first comment go?-Dave
[2000-08-03 14:42:00] - Yes! Flat taxes could work, only the poor people don't want it to happen because they like reaping the benefits from the rich -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:42:00] - people who make millions have so many built in loopholes that they'd actually lose more money -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:41:00] - That's a helluva lot harder to justify and pull off -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:41:00] - Background color keeps changing!
[2000-08-03 14:41:00] - not to digress or anything, but i think flat tax could work -Dave
[2000-08-03 14:41:00] - I am trying to avoid such a discussion but it appears that we are going to rehash the same things, yes
-paul[2000-08-03 14:41:00] - it means that when you see that something is unstable you fix it then and don't wait for it to topple first.
[2000-08-03 14:40:00] - paul, are we going to have another political argument where we realize that we don't believe in the same ideals? i don't mind. i just want to clarify.
[2000-08-03 14:39:00] - diplomacy designed to prevent things ~adrian
[2000-08-03 14:39:00] - How do you prevent the middle-east conflict? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:39:00] - Ok, how about this, what the hell is preventive diplomacy? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:38:00] - money to take? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:38:00] - Progressive taxation is discrimination, how else would you describe taxing some people more heavily then others just because they have more
[2000-08-03 14:37:00] - In fact, most of Europe's economies have, because they have socialist-type economies -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:36:00] - France isn't successful at all, their economy has been stagnant for decades -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:36:00] - progressive taxation isn't discrimination
[2000-08-03 14:36:00] - You have to at least admit that Nader has the most socialist views of all the top four candidates... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:36:00] - it's possible to have a balance. countries like canada and france are all successful. so are norway, sweden and finland.
[2000-08-03 14:35:00] - I don't want government discriminating against the rich is what I don't want -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:35:00] - not socialism
[2000-08-03 14:35:00] - hehe. new background color.
[2000-08-03 14:35:00] - Which is socialism and we KNOW that socialsim doesn't work... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:34:00] - paul, it comes down to the fact that you don't want the govt helping in any way economically, and i do. that's why we will disagree on taxes. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:34:00] - By taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is basically the only way I can see this happening -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:33:00] - His issues sound nice and all, work less and get payed more... but how is he going to implement this? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:33:00] - The problem isn't a flat tax, it's high taxes... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:32:00] - I think they are bad solutions, but I am willing to concede they may work -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:32:00] - Not if you cut taxes so that you let people spend more then half the money they make... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:32:00] - why are they wrong solutions? - aba
[2000-08-03 14:31:00] - And that's just one issue, what's his solution to the "living wage" problem? or the big corporation problem? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:31:00] - look if you have a flat tax, then people who make $20,000 are not going to be able to buy necessities as opposed to people who make $1 mill. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:31:00] - Wrong solutions
-Paul[2000-08-03 14:30:00] - I dunno... I can see where this arguement is going. Nader is socialist and I am libertarian, hence we disagree -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:30:00] - http://www.votenader.com/issues/GunControl.html <- he does give solutions. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:30:00] - There's no reasoning behind that, it's not like the government does anything special for them (and if they do, then THAT should be stopped) -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:29:00] - But why should someone be taxed more because they have more money? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:28:00] - All he does is point out problems that may (or may not) exist, he never suggets any solutions -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:28:00] - and he says that corporations should be responsible for what they do beyond the reach of the law. it's become more about money instead of community
[2000-08-03 14:27:00] - it's not bad, it's that they can afford to give up a greater percentage of what they make in order to increase the common good
[2000-08-03 14:26:00] - http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/07/30/bermuda.shorts.ap/index.html
[2000-08-03 14:25:00] - Why should we tax the rich more? Who decides what is "bad" and hence should be taxed more? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:25:00] - i agree progressive > flat in the case of taxes. i agree that large corporations should pay more taxes than small. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:25:00] - Geez... His comments on corporations sound nice but he never actually says anything other then "Corporations are bad" -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:24:00] - t his comments on taxes make sense? - aba
[2000-08-03 14:24:00] - http://LiNk1/ http://LiNk2/
[2000-08-03 14:24:00] - moo. why don'
[2000-08-03 14:23:00] - links work now: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30740-2000Aug3.html
[2000-08-03 14:23:00] - At least it's easy to find his stance on issues. On Al Gore's web site, is hard to find his stance on issues. -Aaron
[2000-08-03 14:22:00] - Bring back the commies!
[2000-08-03 14:22:00] - His comments on taxes make no sense... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:21:00] - His comments on labor are very socialist sounding, disturbingly so... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:17:00] - Observing Nader Observing -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:15:00] - oh. found the article. hang on. brb. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:15:00] - http://www.votenader.com/
[2000-08-03 14:14:00] - Can you give me Nader's web-site? I can't think of any policies off-hand but I can find some -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:13:00] - i don't see it anywhere, paul.
where on the front page? what's the headline? - aba[2000-08-03 14:13:00] - Ha ha ha. "But I don't see why your music guys feel the need to insult my music guys". -Aaron
[2000-08-03 14:12:00] - kow - aba
[2000-08-03 14:10:00] - Just go to www.washingtonpost.com and you should see the article on the front page -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:10:00] - why do you say that? - aba
[2000-08-03 14:10:00] - Because caps are required! Adrian! -paul
[2000-08-03 14:10:00] - i'll fix the problem with stupid case sensitive urls
[2000-08-03 14:09:00] - I just don't see what makes Nader a good candidate. I don't want to be mean but he seems to be the candidate for the uneducated... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:09:00] - doesn't work
[2000-08-03 14:08:00] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30740-2000Aug3.html
[2000-08-03 14:08:00] - he's sexist! he will protect the common man but not the common woman!
[2000-08-03 14:08:00] - which one? give me a link. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:07:00] - paul, are we really going to have this discussion again? you are a libertarian and i am a democrat. nader is decidedly a leftist democrat. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:07:00] - I mean, have you read the Washington Post article about him? -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:06:00] - That's what libertarians are all about, Nader is an anti-business fanatic -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:03:00] - why is nader a loon? he is all about protecting the rights of the common man. - aba
[2000-08-03 14:02:00] - fake men vote for nader!
[2000-08-03 14:01:00] - Ouch..... -Paul
[2000-08-03 14:00:00] - rbr - bab
[2000-08-03 13:59:00] - aba -brb
[2000-08-03 13:59:00] - brb - aba
[2000-08-03 13:58:00] - then who are you going to vote for? -Dave
[2000-08-03 13:55:00] - Real men vote for Browne! (I assume this is Dave
)-Paul[2000-08-03 13:54:00] - http://www.geocities.com/rabbi_vole/
[2000-08-03 13:54:00] - ADRIAN can you add my web page at the bottom here? It's still got some bugs but I'm working on it. -Aaron
[2000-08-03 13:54:00] - up with browne! -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:54:00] - Nader is for pansies!
[2000-08-03 13:53:00] - Agreed, whoever you are -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:53:00] - down with Nader!
[2000-08-03 13:51:00] - Augh! I can't go to seanbaby.com because it has sexual content apparently! And I was going to hook you up with some info on the TV humper. -Aaron
[2000-08-03 13:51:00] - Sheesh, I'm reading up on Nader here and I can't believe anyone would vote for this loon (sorry Aparna, I don't see the attraction) -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:50:00] - Ha ha. That's a good quote.
[2000-08-03 13:49:00] - my website doesn't make noise ~adrian
[2000-08-03 13:49:00] - "If I had wanted your website to make noise I would have licked my finger and rubbed it across the monitor." - heehee - aba
[2000-08-03 13:47:00] - i don't know if i did or not - does anyone know how we find out if we have registered or not?
[2000-08-03 13:47:00] - Um... I dunno, you should've registered in Government class if you hadn't already -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:45:00] - Are you sure? Well okay.
Does Vinnie have AIM at work? Hum.[2000-08-03 13:44:00] - how does one find out if they have or have not registered?
[2000-08-03 13:43:00] - November..... -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:43:00] - So when is the actual election, anyways? Sometime in the spring?
[2000-08-03 13:41:00] - Who says Democrats deserve to vote?
-Paul[2000-08-03 13:41:00] -
[2000-08-03 13:41:00] - Well we're already on the board, I mean.
[2000-08-03 13:40:00] - we'd have to beat 436 - aba
[2000-08-03 13:40:00] - Whoa, way to go Adrian! My sig doesn't even have "7". -Aaron
[2000-08-03 13:40:00] - We will surely set a record number of posts today!
[2000-08-03 13:39:00] - adrian, it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you have exactly 69 posts with your sig, would it? - aba
[2000-08-03 13:39:00] - who says moo moooooooooo party mooooooo mooooooooooo
[2000-08-03 13:38:00] - moo is fuck cool word
[2000-08-03 13:38:00] - moo is a cool word
[2000-08-03 13:37:00] - adrian => drn => darn => damn
[2000-08-03 13:37:00] - who says the libertarian party deserves recognition?
- aba[2000-08-03 13:34:00] - sending paul's quote through the f*** filter a second time is really funny
[2000-08-03 13:32:00] - i will never correctly add a signature to the end of a post
~adrian[2000-08-03 13:32:00] - Ha ha ha! No no that was me quoting you through a filter
[2000-08-03 13:31:00] -
I didn't say that.... -Paul[2000-08-03 13:31:00] - int(rand(3))?$&:"f***"
[2000-08-03 13:31:00] - yes
[2000-08-03 13:31:00] - fuck fuck fuck there fuck fuck adrian! you fuck change it fuck fuck you? -paul
[2000-08-03 13:30:00] - OH okay. It's random
[2000-08-03 13:29:00] - Aaron understands! Short words cause vocabulary disfigurement?
[2000-08-03 13:29:00] - i was having a stupid parenthasis problem -adrian
[2000-08-03 13:29:00] - i finished f***
[2000-08-03 13:28:00] - no . . .
[2000-08-03 13:27:00] - And why aren't there any CAPS!? Adrian! You didn't change it again did you? -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:27:00] - World can't be the only word that has to be in caps, the link is still not work.
[2000-08-03 13:27:00] - Besides, the whole point of supporting Harry Browne is so that the libertarian party might get the recognition it deserves someday -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:25:00] - That was in reference to Aparna's post a loooong time ago -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:25:00] - Oh, haw. Yeah caps are bad. I got a cap at my meeting. It is effeminate and this girl there was like "That looks bad on you. Can I have it?"
[2000-08-03 13:25:00] - Well how about this. Since Ralph Nader doesn't have a chance in the election, why doesn't he throw his support behind Gore? -Paul
[2000-08-03 13:24:00] - that is annoying - i hate people who make urls that require caps - death to caps
[2000-08-03 13:24:00] - sorry
[2000-08-03 13:24:00] - world has to be in caps
[2000-08-03 13:22:00] - Neither link works. Poo.
[2000-08-03 13:22:00] - http://www.cnn.com/2000/world/moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[2000-08-03 13:20:00] - http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/07/30/bermuda.shorts.ap/index.html
[2000-08-03 13:19:00] - it isn't done - i am dumb -adrian
[2000-08-03 13:19:00] - Oh well it was worth a try
[2000-08-03 13:19:00] - So what is this new mode? Ass fucking tit juggling hand jobbers!
[2000-08-03 13:17:00] - This sentence is in italics, unless aeiou mode is on
[2000-08-03 13:14:00] - Thursday, what a night for Ryan and Colin's brand of madcap improvisational fun!
[2000-08-03 13:14:00] - woo woo
[2000-08-03 13:12:00] - i wish my webpage was this interesting
[2000-08-03 13:11:00] - hehe. aaron typed "like".
[2000-08-03 13:10:00] - but phill is not on
[2000-08-03 13:10:00] - isn't it a phill drew thing?
[2000-08-03 13:10:00] - AAAAH it's the silent E's that get me all the time. Aparna wins again!
[2000-08-03 13:09:00] - huzzah? what is this word?
[2000-08-03 13:09:00] - -adrian
[2000-08-03 13:09:00] - thanka
[2000-08-03 13:09:00] - kow
[2000-08-03 13:09:00] - Adrian, what an amazing board sysop guy, who can program things like mooing fun on a whim. Huzzah.
[2000-08-03 13:08:00] - And word prior to "RAIN" in TMBG song, that was my writing thing.
[2000-08-03 13:07:00] - Writing things NOT with ink, but for highlighting and... ummm....
[2000-08-03 13:06:00] - What long TMBG lyric wins the moo rule? I must think!
[2000-08-03 13:05:00] - writing things with ink? - aba
[2000-08-03 13:04:00] - Yay, I did go to that lunch thing and got a hat, shirt, plus two writing things.
[2000-08-03 13:04:00] - it is not that hard to do - aba
[2000-08-03 13:03:00] - AARON's back!
[2000-08-03 13:03:00] - To say things good in moo, I must not talk with that bad fifth char! Can I do it?
[2000-08-03 13:02:00] - YAY You have moo mode on now. This is good
[2000-08-03 13:01:00] - meowmeowmeowmeow
[2000-08-03 12:57:00] - j/k
[2000-08-03 12:57:00] -
you're just trying to catch up with me, so that you can be ahead in most posts. - aba[2000-08-03 12:55:00] - , and in the end, isn't that the real truth? the answer . . . is no."
[2000-08-03 12:55:00] - "hello, i'm leonard nimoy. the following tale of alien encounters is true. and by true, i mean false. it's all lies. but they're entertaining lies
[2000-08-03 12:55:00] - the answer . . . is no.
[2000-08-03 12:53:00] - but that wasn't an answer to a question - aba
[2000-08-03 12:51:00] - neither is "woof woof"
[2000-08-03 12:51:00] - that's not a real answer!
- aba[2000-08-03 12:50:00] - because
[2000-08-03 12:50:00] - why?
[2000-08-03 12:49:00] - it would sound like "hey, you!"
[2000-08-03 12:48:00] - what would aeiou sound like if it was a real word? - aba
[2000-08-03 12:30:00] - woof woof
[2000-08-03 12:30:00] - what is the short criteria? - aba
[2000-08-03 12:29:00] - ooga booga
[2000-08-03 12:24:00] - waiting for the dinner bell to do the bell thing
[2000-08-03 12:19:00] - boo
[2000-08-03 12:18:00] - everybody must be out to lunch
[2000-08-03 12:18:00] - i am here
[2000-08-03 12:15:00] - where is everybody?
[2000-08-03 11:57:00] -
[2000-08-03 11:57:00] -
[2000-08-03 11:57:00] - yes
[2000-08-03 11:56:00] - beep beep boop boop beep boop beep boop boop beep beep beep boop beep
[2000-08-03 11:55:00] - what if the word is only two letters long? is it mo then? - aba
[2000-08-03 11:54:00] - moo
[2000-08-03 11:50:00] - YAY
[2000-08-03 11:50:00] - Oh oh intern luncheon surprise. I have to go!
[2000-08-03 11:50:00] - i'll do it!
[2000-08-03 11:50:00] - fun with moooooo! how about moooo word that has an "e" in it is mooooooo with "moo" with mooooo "o"s to match moo mooooo mooooo... -aaron
[2000-08-03 11:50:00] - ok
[2000-08-03 11:49:00] - i'm voting for george washington
[2000-08-03 11:49:00] - Fun with filters! How about every word that has an "E" in it is replaced with "moo" with enough "O"s to match the proper length... -Aaron
[2000-08-03 11:47:00] - yep -adrian
[2000-08-03 11:46:00] - Adrian! I did not notice but your server has no capital letters. Even your banner has none. -Aaron
[2000-08-03 11:44:00] - HEY ALL MY CAPITAL LETTERS THEY ARE GONE!
[2000-08-03 11:39:00] - pvc . . . like pvc piping . . . it is the plastic they use in the cool matrix clothing -adrian
[2000-08-03 11:37:00] - What is this new acronym, PVC? Is it related to ATDF?
[2000-08-03 11:36:00] - and pvc clothing
[2000-08-03 11:36:00] - lots of guns
[2000-08-03 11:35:00] -
[2000-08-03 11:35:00] - you'll need a miracle
[2000-08-03 11:32:00] - His campaign slogan could be "We'll need guns"
[2000-08-03 11:31:00] - I would vote for Keanu Reeves
[2000-08-03 11:29:00] - heh. keanu reeves for president. - aba
[2000-08-03 11:26:00] - i think that is cause he plays a president in lots of movies
[2000-08-03 11:20:00] - I think Harrison Ford would make a good president. If we had to elect a celebrity.
[2000-08-03 11:18:00] - meow
[2000-08-03 11:18:00] - i wasn't saying actually band behind rn. just somebody more famous than hb. nobody knows who he is except for a few (ex) libertarians. - aba
[2000-08-03 11:18:00] - I would love to debate more but it's lunch time! Be back soon to debate all of ya! -Paul
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