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[2019-04-15 09:28:18] - a: Why? To avoid call blocking tech? Wait, so does that mean if they spoof my parents number and I "block" it I would be blocking my parents from calling me? :-P -Paul

[2019-04-13 20:54:59] - paul:  "At least half of the spam calls I get are clearly out of state so a lot of them aren't bothering to spoof anything"  out of state doesn't mean anything.  they are likely spoofing their phone number.  they almost all are.  ~a

[2019-04-13 16:07:44] - Daniel: Well, without any additional context, because the implication is that a white person clearly have a Chinese restaurant. Let me ask you this, would it be okay if somebody tweeted, "Ohhhh I CANNOT with Happy O'Malleys, this new ‘Irish restaurant’ that some black wellness blogger just opened in New York." ? -Paul

[2019-04-13 16:03:54] - a: Thank you. Was that so hard? :-P I don't know anything about the spoofing of phone numbers, but I'm also not sure it would stop anything. At least half of the spam calls I get are clearly out of state so a lot of them aren't bothering to spoof anything. -Paul

[2019-04-12 17:06:24] - Paul: I don't think the twitter post is racist.  The twitter post is annoyed about cultural appropriation (which race is involved in) but doesn't seem to say the lady is bad because she is white.  I don't get how its racist.  -Daniel

[2019-04-12 16:21:11] - paul:  "can't name one?"  i think one thing they could do is curb the spoofing of phone numbers.  this is something that the fcc could outlaw and i can't think of a legitimate reason for spoofing phone numbers.  ~a

[2019-04-12 14:23:19] - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/nyregion/lucky-lees-nyc-chinese-food.html And then stuff like this: “Ohhhh I CANNOT with Lucky Lee’s, this new ‘clean Chinese restaurant’ that some white wellness blogger just opened in New York,” This is kinda what I meant before about definitions of racism. This person seems to be judging another person based on their skin color, right? Isn't that racist? -Paul

[2019-04-12 14:20:46] - https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/starbucks-braces-for-backlash-if-howard-schultz-runs Gah, this aggravates me to no end, and I'm not even necessarily a big fan of Starbucks or Howard Schultz! But the idea that a bunch of people would boycott a company because its former CEO would run for president not as a democrat (and not because of any political viewpoint of said former CEO) seems ridiculous to me. -Paul

[2019-04-12 14:08:35] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=112&v=adzYW5DZoWs New Star Wars trailer is out... along with the name reveal. -Paul

[2019-04-12 13:53:53] - Daniel: Yeah, it's just another reminder to me of how we're all in bubbles. It's like the AOC "controversy" over that video of her dancing. The first I ever heard of it was a bunch of pieces pushing back on the conservatives who were trying to shame her with it... something I never saw. -Paul

[2019-04-12 13:45:48] - Paul: Internet is a big place.  Also possible that the the trolls trying to make it about a white man were on some random part of the internet that made it feel big to the author?    /shrug  -Daniel

[2019-04-12 13:35:28] - It's almost as if I'm seeing only one half of some pitched internet battle and it's a little weird feeling. -Paul

[2019-04-12 13:35:04] - And then the day after... I started seeing pieces about how strange it was that the woman behind the black hole photo calculations wasn't getting much recognition... which was completely at odds with my experience. Now, I am seeing pieces about how trolls tried to make it about a white man... but I never saw any evidence of that until now. -Paul

[2019-04-12 13:33:41] - https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/us/andrew-chael-katie-bouman-black-hole-image-trnd/index.html This seems weird to me. On the day that the black hole photos came out, I was surprised by how many pieces I saw about the woman who was responsible for the calculations which made the photo possible. I never recalled seeing similar things for stuff like the Mars Rover. -Paul

[2019-04-12 12:58:14] - mig:  that's fair.  so when the fcc "celebrated" the decision, they then followed it up with a less-broad and less-problematic rule to prevent the new robocalls as a result?  ~a

[2019-04-12 12:27:17] - a:  The rule that was struck down seemed overly broad and problematic.  Sure, robocalls increased, but I’m not sure that justifies a bad rule. - mig

[2019-04-12 12:11:20] - paul:  i've seen that page.  the problem is the action has been in the other direction.  he's celebrated the elimination of rules that protect against robocalls.  right after that rule was eliminated robocalls have skyrocketed.  is this a coincidence?  ~a

[2019-04-12 11:59:46] - a:  i mean there can be disagreement on the actions, but saying the fcc has “done nothing” seems demonstrably false. - mig

[2019-04-12 11:58:44] - a: https://www.fcc.gov/about-fcc/fcc-initiatives/fccs-push-combat-robocalls-spoofing - mig

[2019-04-12 11:30:08] - a: Like, yeah, obviously we want to get rid of people trying to scam elders out of money, but what about non-profits trying to raise money for charity or companies making legitimate marketing calls? -Paul

[2019-04-12 11:29:22] - a: To me, robocalls seem like "hate speech". People are kinda against it, but it's murky on how exactly to get rid of it without trampling "free speech" (or getting rid of legitimate calls). -Paul

[2019-04-12 11:28:12] - a: Okay, I get that you don't like Pai, but speaking of ""words" instead of action", I feel like that's what I'm getting from you. You keep talking about lots of things that can be done, but can't name one? I did a cursory search online but also didn't see any obvious solutions that the FCC could do... -Paul

[2019-04-12 11:23:13] - paul:  pai has opposed the rules we're talking about.  he's not done a good job.  he offers "words" instead of action.  actually, no he offers action, but in the wrong direction.  in the direction of defining things that make it easier for robo-callers.  ~a

[2019-04-12 11:22:08] - paul:  let's start with some fun background.  60% of all complaints to the fcc is about robocalls.  a lot of otherwise "legitimate" companies use robocalls (so, we're not entirely talking about the similar spam-email problem).  the fcc chooses to do nothing because the legitimate companies who are using this, are making money doing it.  ~a

[2019-04-12 11:19:20] - a: *Shrug* I dunno, it seems like it to me. I know everybody loves to hate Ajit Pai, but I actually think he's done a pretty good job and I can't imagine he's rubbing his hands like Mr. Burns because he likes everybody being annoyed by robocalls and scams. -Paul

[2019-04-12 11:11:53] - does there?  ~a

[2019-04-12 11:09:33] - a: Okay, but what kind of things could they do? I guess I just don't understand why the FCC would "choose not to do anything" since it sounds like most people agree robocalls are annoying and bad. There has to be some downside to those things that can be done, right? -Paul

[2019-04-12 10:49:32] - paul:  to be completely clear, it's not the same problem as spam email.  there's definitely a number of things the fcc could do.  they've chosen not to do anything.  this isn't (imo) one of those cases where doing nothing is the best plan.  ~a

[2019-04-12 10:47:47] - paul:  you're not breaking any laws when you utilize robo-call systems and the fcc could easily add new rules that discourage them.  if i could have a discussion with the operator of those robo-call systems i'd love to discuss the inefficiency of their system.  but sadly he or she is not available for contact.  ~a

[2019-04-12 10:28:49] - a: Wow, the market apparently loved the Disney presentation yesterday. Disney up double digit percentages and nearing an all-time high while Netflix is dropping pretty notably as well. -Paul

[2019-04-12 09:59:14] - a: Can they do something about it? If they could, it would seem like a no-brainer. It's not immediately clear to me what the solution might be, though. -Paul

[2019-04-12 09:49:43] - ironically i got rid of my land-line because it was getting so many spam calls.  now, my cellphone has the same problem . . . i wonder if it'll ever be fixed.  apparently the fcc is able to do something about it but has chosen not to?  ~a

[2019-04-12 09:48:42] - ah landline?  a person with a landline or a company?  i'm surprised at a person with a landline.  it's an older person i gather?  ~a

[2019-04-12 09:39:37] - a: That's interesting. I just assumed it was a landline phone, but I suppose I could try texting. I don't have any other contact information for the person so texting is about the only thing I can do. -Paul

[2019-04-12 09:36:40] - paul:  i text them.  i get so many fucking spam calls nowadays i never answer my phone.  but even before i got spam calls i wished people would never leave a voicemail.  if it's work stuff, i prefer an email or snail-mail.  ~a

[2019-04-12 09:19:56] - You don't hear back for a few days, so you call back and leave another voicemail. This goes on for a week or so until when you call, it then goes straight to voicemail. Do you just shrug your shoulders and assume that the person.... I dunno, lost their phone or something? -Paul

[2019-04-12 09:17:39] - Question: Let's say that you are hoping for a phone call with some good news. Picture maybe being told you won a raffle or maybe are getting a phone interview or something like that. Let's say you miss the call, but call back within an hour and leave a voice mail when nobody answers. -Paul

[2019-04-11 14:53:11] - that.  ~a

[2019-04-11 14:51:50] - a: Yes, we do. I ended up being ahead for like 3 days out of the 400+ in the contest so far and won by fractions of a percentage point while you've almost doubled my return now. :-P -Paul

[2019-04-11 14:47:27] - paul:  hah.  we'll see.  i was so sure i was going to win 2018 and we all know how well that went.  ~a

[2019-04-11 14:39:24] - a: You're getting really close to passing me up in 2019. When does AdrianVsTheMarket come out? -Paul

[2019-04-11 10:14:04] - mig: Yeah, I guess it just seems a little weird? I have no idea how credible the sexual assault allegations are, and I think I'm fine with the other two keeping their jobs over the blackface if they're repentant, but it still seems weird to not hear much about it anymore. -Paul

[2019-04-11 10:00:12] - And if they do all that, then a Republican becomes governor, and preventing that outcome is more preferable than taking an accusation of sexual assault seriously, I suppose. - mig

[2019-04-11 09:59:31] - paul:  I suspect the furor has died down over the controversies because they are all linked together rather oddly.  If Fairfax is made to resign, then Northam AND the state AG HAVE to resign as well, because after the controversies it would be unacceptable to have only the black man be punished (even if his transgression might be the most serious). - mig

[2019-04-11 09:17:24] - a: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/second-woman-accuses-va-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-of-sexual-assault/2019/02/08/19e6bb6c-2bdf-11e9-b011-d85006 -Paul

[2019-04-11 09:06:28] - a:  he’s broken some uk laws but they were minor infractions from what I’ve read. - mig

[2019-04-11 08:58:40] - julian assange was arrested.  he never left his fortress of solitude.  the went in and got him!  a us extradition request was required?  i guess he didn't break any uk laws.  uk police were "invited into the embassy by the ambassador, following the ecuadorian government's withdrawal of asylum".  he was in one fucking building for over seven years.  crazy.  ~a

[2019-04-11 08:45:55] - sexual assault?  ~a

[2019-04-10 23:59:17] - So... did the whole controversy over the entire Virginia executive branch go away? I guess there wasn't merit to the accusations of sexual assault and blackface isn't a resignable offense? -Paul

[2019-04-10 13:01:06] - a: I wish there were low fee funds that targeted certain countries. Would love to get more exposure to places like Brazil and India... less interested in Russia and China (mostly because I already own 5+ Chinese stocks so I feel like I don't necessarily need more). -Paul

[2019-04-10 12:47:16] - paul:  even more generally, all international stocks have had a tough past 5 years.  vemax is brazil, russia, india, taiwan, and china and they've done pretty shitty the past 5 years.  if you compare them to vtiax, vtiax has done much worse!  ~a

[2019-04-10 12:08:50] - I think that explains why my vanguard funds have been underperforming the S&P500. -Paul

[2019-04-10 12:08:32] - Oof, just checked my Vanguard funds performance for the first time in forever. Emerging markets (VEMAX) has had a tough past 5 years... -Paul

[2019-04-10 09:37:31] - But in this case, where we're talking about things the size of civilizations and a relative large sample size of them, then I think it could be meaningful. If I asked why the majority of bench press records are held by males (note: I have no idea if this is true, just making it up as an example), then a relevant data point might be that males are X% stronger than females on average. -Paul

[2019-04-10 09:32:33] - a: Way back being yesterday. -Paul

[2019-04-10 09:32:22] - a: I don't think the question is dumb inherently, but I agree that in many cases the differences between groups is meaningless compared to the differences between individuals. In fact, that is almost exactly my original point from way back. -Paul

[2019-04-10 09:31:24] - Daniel: Noticeable? Quantifiable? Not sure if another word works better? -Paul

[2019-04-09 19:10:17] - paul:  "I think there is, but I also... suspect that that might be a taboo thing to say?"  it's taboo because it's missing the point.  these physical differences are dwarfed by the differences between individuals.  in other words, the question is dumb.  ~a

[2019-04-09 16:59:25] - Paul: I guess I'm not sure what you mean by meaningful so I tried to give a more direct objective statement.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 16:54:50] - Specifically the pension comment, about how they sold off lots of stocks but it could just be target date funds re-balancing after stocks had run up so big. Such a weird and counter-intuitive thing to think about: that there could be big selling pressure on the market because it has done so well lately. -Paul

[2019-04-09 16:53:35] - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-this-relentless-bid-dries-up-investors-could-face-gruesome-nightmare-2019-04-09 This is an interesting thing to think about. I'm not really going to act on this data, but as an individual investor it's sometimes daunting to think about the huge forces out there that control the market much more than I do. -Paul

[2019-04-09 16:52:41] - Daniel: That seems to be oddly dancing around the question. I didn't ask if all men were stronger than all women. I was just asking if there were meaningful physical differences. I think there is, but I also... suspect that that might be a taboo thing to say? -Paul

[2019-04-09 16:38:23] - Paul: I think the bell curve of men is shifted to the right when compared to the bell curve of women.  I'm pretty sure women Olympic weightlifters are WAY stronger than me.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 16:30:43] - Also, this might sound stupid but it's an honest question: Are we generally agreed that there are meaningful physical differences between men and women? -Paul

[2019-04-09 16:30:07] - Daniel: I don't really have a point... more musing aloud. So you think the rise of patriarchal societies is mostly due to physical strength? -Paul

[2019-04-09 16:23:44] - Paul: I'm confused by  your point.  There are obvious gender differences on the physical spectrum.  I don't get why you are trying to lead to that conclusion though.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 16:00:37] - a: I guess ever? I dunno, like it seems like a bunch of civilizations developed somewhat independent of each other and virtually all of them were patriarchal. Doesn't that seem to imply something about gender differences? -Paul

[2019-04-09 15:59:20] - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/09/avengers-endgame-is-smashing-box-office-records-advance-ticket-sales.html "‘Avengers: Endgame’ has sold nearly twice as many advance tickets as ‘Aquaman,’ ‘The Last Jedi,’ ‘Infinity War’ and ‘Captain Marvel’ combined." COMBINED! -Paul

[2019-04-09 15:58:17] - paul:  but if you go back much-much further (pre-historic) i bet it was much more common.  maybe not 50-50, but probably more common than in western-modern.  ~a

[2019-04-09 15:57:37] - paul:  humanity?  like . . . ever?  or like, modern-european-society?  here are a few examples i found on google.  all of them modern even.  but not european.  ~a

[2019-04-09 15:54:04] - a: Honest question that isn't trying to make a point, but is inspired by this discussion: Has humanity had any significant matriarchal societies? If not... why do you think that is? -Paul

[2019-04-09 15:33:06] - paul:  "this theory suggests that there are inherent personality and aptitude differences among different genders"  this theory suggests this, yes.  i suggest, maybe not.  ~a

[2019-04-09 15:30:14] - paul:  as the people in the comments mentioned, the only reason azure isn't at 0% of revenue is that a ton of people are forced into office365.  subtract out office365, and microsoft's revenue drops.  ~a

[2019-04-09 15:27:27] - a: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox At the risk of riling people up again, I'll just throw this out there. -Paul

[2019-04-09 15:21:24] - a: https://www.parkmycloud.com/blog/aws-vs-azure-vs-google-cloud-market-share/ I know that's hyperbole, and your point still stands that they are the clear leader, but it's not nearly to the degree that you might think. -Paul

[2019-04-09 15:21:01] - i found the gender section surprising (section V).  i was surprised that the united states was on the top, but also *how* *low* the top was.  ~a

[2019-04-09 15:10:07] - yeah, i'm not so sure it'll work out for you.  aws has like 100% of the market-share.  they can only go down from here.  :)  ~a

[2019-04-09 15:07:45] - a: Okay, so people hating Azure is good for my AMZN investment. :-P -Paul

[2019-04-09 15:04:33] - paul:  it's like aws or google cloud.  or ibm cloud.  or whatever.  ~a

[2019-04-09 15:04:07] - paul:  no.  it's a platform.  ~a

[2019-04-09 14:55:36] - a: Sorry for the stupid question, but is Azure different from their cloud solution? Is it a language that is separate? -Paul

[2019-04-09 14:30:24] - 2019 developer survey.  very cool data.  people don't hate c# as much as i want them to.  but at least they hate windows, .net, and azure . . . and love docker, linux, and aws.  :)  it's weird that people feel so differently about .net as c#.  won't a majority of .net people use c#?  ~a

[2019-04-09 14:26:07] - agreed.  ~a

[2019-04-09 13:47:03] - a: Yeah, I tried to think of how people would react if the genders were reversed. I feel like people in general are more sensitive to harassment of females online vs males. -Paul

[2019-04-09 13:45:35] - a: I use Turbo Tax as well (don't think I've ever been a shareholder). I actually blame the government more for this than anything. The tax code is so ridiculously overcomplicated that it almost HAS to be done by a computer program that has to be updated every year. This wouldn't be an issue at all if they just simplified the tax code instead of carving out more and more exceptions. -Paul

[2019-04-09 13:27:31] - paul:  no i do not.  but i wanted to be clear that i was trying to focus on both sides of the coin and trying to see the full-effect of the judges ruling.  ~a

[2019-04-09 13:26:33] - paul:  why i sold my intuit shares.  i wish they had some competitors:  i'd love to not be a customer of theirs (i actually use quickbooks too! :( )  ~a

[2019-04-09 13:26:10] - a: "even if the gender roles were reversed" Interesting that you added that. Do you think there are situations where it would be okay one way but not okay if the gender roles were reversed? -Paul

[2019-04-09 13:07:33] - paul:  responding to thestranger link:  i don't have much to add, it's a grey area for sure.  i agree with the author on most everything.  it's not something i would do (any of it, but i'm referring to creating the website).  whether the government should have had the site taken down:  even if the gender roles were reversed, i don't think a judge should tell someone to take down the site if it had verifiable-evidence.  ~a

[2019-04-09 12:36:37] - Which... is tricky, because I think, depending on how it's done obviously, and I've never seen the site, that bringing a defamation case here is very problematic for society.  I'd love to see this one actually play out in court. -- Xpovos

[2019-04-09 12:35:54] - Preliminary injunctions weigh a lot of factors: likelihood of the eventual outcome is one, but that's often way down the list.  More common are the relative harms from each option.  The harms of keeping the site up to his reputation vs. the harms to her goals of protection.  He should win that part.  The long term case is tougher, but he's got good odds, I think. -- Xpovos

[2019-04-09 12:35:31] - http://time.com/5566429/burger-king-chopsticks-ad-criticism/ Speaking of racism.... Is this racist? I mean, it seems like a dumb commercial, but I find it hard to understand how it is racist. -Paul

[2019-04-09 12:34:19] - The suit likely included an injunction against the site, and then the judge would rule preliminarily on the legality of the site.  Because he's not famous, there's a very high bar here she'd have to clear to win her case.  So the injunction goes in favor of the plaintiff.  Makes sense to me. -- Xpovos

[2019-04-09 12:15:38] - Paul: I don't know that you have the "right" to kick him out or tell him he "can't" but you can tell him its not cool and you want him to shut up.  I mean he can ignore you but is it better to do nothing or better to confront.  Where to draw the line indeed though.  I don't know.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 12:14:41] - Paul: I don't know that you have the "right" to kick him out or tell him he "can't

[2019-04-09 12:11:13] - Daniel: Also, where do we draw the line at bad? It's easy to demonize racial taunting, but that probably falls under freedom of speech. The arena can obviously kick him out, but I don't know if private citizens have the right to do anything. Maybe the best people can do is alert arena security. -Paul

[2019-04-09 12:09:31] - Daniel: I don't know either. I'm guessing there's some sort of "harassment" statute that it falls under, but like the author said, that seems like a free speech issue. -Paul

[2019-04-09 12:01:38] - Paul: Yeah I think thats a good question.  I don't know that people have a responsibility to stop all badness.  But do we have a responsibility to stop some badness?  If we don't stop any badness are we just part of the problem but in a different way?    I mean being Mother Teresea is good and all but I don't think thats an achievable standard for most.  So what is "right"?  I think its a tough question.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 11:59:53] - Paul: Thats a weird situation.  I would be curious what grounds the judge gave for telling her to take the site down.  Like unless its found to be illegal / defamation I'm not sure how thats allowed either.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 11:25:03] - https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/04/05/39828475/should-she-have-outed-this-cheater-to-the-world Not trying to derail things, but I just saw this and, while not endorsing the author's POV, thought the story was interesting. Wanted to post it here before I forgot. -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:18:55] - Daniel: I'm not trying to shift blame, but I guess I can't really say because I don't know what happened there. I've been at sporting events where fans have been obnoxious (not racist) and never felt to speak up about it because I figured it wouldn't do any good. Does that make me a bad person? -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:17:56] - Daniel: Did nobody speak up around him? I just read the NYTimes article about it and there was no mention either way. It also mentions that the fan had a different interpretation of events (obviously). What everybody seems to agree about, though, is that Westbrook threatened to beat up him and his wife. :-P -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:15:16] - Its a hypothetical but I think that different people have different opportunities across the country at different times.  Is there a duty to stand up to that random hypothetical fan?  Thats I think the interesting part.  How far does that extend?  Does it extend at all?  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 11:14:06] - So right maybe Paul right now doesn't have a great oppurtunity to fight racism but if you are at a wizards game and some guy next to you starts calling Beal "his boy" and to go get back on a plantation or whatever, what will Paul choose at that point.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 11:12:32] - Paul: So I think part of Korvers point is if that guy talking to Westbrook was one of the (hypothetical) 13% and everyone else around him was in the other 87% why didn't they tell him it wasn't cool or to shut up.  I think thats part of Korvers point.  They can all choose not to engage but Korver is trying to encourage them to choose otherwise.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 11:09:12] - Daniel: I know some white Utah fan called him "boy" and said something about him getting on his knees(?) and the fan got banned. That's about all I know. -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:08:29] - AND that there are some people who believe (even if it might not make sense to you and me) that you can disapprove of interracial marriage AND that racism is bad. Either way, even discounting those two things, I think there's a ceiling of 13% of Americans who would conceivably say: "Racism is good". -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:07:36] - https://news.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx This is the best I found: A question about interracial marriage. 6 years ago, 13% of Americans disapprove of marriage between whites and blacks. I think there's a good reason to think things have improved since then.. -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:06:07] - Daniel: I think if you did a poll of Americans asking: "Is racism bad?" then an overwhelming majority would say yes. I tried to find any kind of data to back me up, but I guess that's too simple of a question to ask? -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:05:48] - Paul: Sure racist things can still happen but I think if the social barriers to it increase it will lower.  Are you familiar with the deal with Russel Westbrook the article is referring to?  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 11:02:43] - Daniel: I don't get why that's controversial, but I guess we did realize that you and I have different ideas of how racist America is. You do realize that racist outcomes can happen despite people loudly denouncing racism, right? Unconscious bias is a thing. I mean, Donald Trump pretty loudly denounces racism even though everybody seems to think he's racist. -Paul

[2019-04-09 11:01:15] - Daniel: Okay, sure, I'm sure there are SOME people out there who think racism is a grand idea. Louis Farrakhan and David Duke still seem to be alive. My point was that I believe the overwhelming majority of Americans would say racism is bad. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:45:39] - Paul - I don't think Korver is saying we are responsible for the past problems - to me thats the he / we aren't guilty part - but that he thinks there is an ongoing affirmative action to deal with racism that he thinks was lacking in himself and presumably in others.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:44:10] - Paul: "Everybody should oppose racism because it's wrong, and not because of the race of the person perpetrating it."  Yes.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:43:12] - Paul: That statement kind of takes me aback.  Like if you just conceded earlier that african americans deal with more racism then yes obviously there are people who don't deounce racism.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:42:13] - Paul: I mean and I don't mean to be rude but like What?  Do you actually mean that?  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:41:43] - Paul: " Is there anybody out there who doesn't denounce racism at this point"  Yes.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:37:06] - Daniel: Which goes back to my original rant. Everybody should oppose racism because it's wrong, and not because of the race of the person perpetrating it. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:34:52] - Daniel: So, yeah, sure. I'll oppose racism. I guess Korver and I agree that racism is bad. But considering I agree with his ultimate point... the route he took to get there is a route I don't approve of. I don't think I should oppose racism because I'm white and white people have a responsibility. I think we should oppose it because it's dumb and wrong. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:33:41] - Daniel: I guess it's semantics, but it changes things a lot. I mean, it's hard to disagree with his call to action, which apparently boils down to: "Vocally oppose racism", but I guess I took exception to his rationale, which seemed to be "white people are responsible for the sins of the past" because that's almost literally what he wrote. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:31:28] - Daniel: "Responsibility" I just remembered that he didn't say white people were responsible for racism, but for "the sins of our forefathers". I think that gives extra credence to my interpretation of what he is saying. I didn't take it as white people are responsible for fixing things. I took it as we are responsible for what happened. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:29:17] - Daniel: I'll admit, it's hard to tell exactly what he is calling for since he kinda concludes with a bunch of meaningless platitudes like "I just think we need to push ourselves another step further." and "And then second, by denouncing that racism — actively, and at every level." Is there anybody out there who doesn't denounce racism at this point? -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:28:10] - Paul: So right you disagree with the responsible part?  Thats the part I think is interesting.  I think it depends on how you view responsibility and your duty to fellow humans.  Which is why I was wondering early on if it is one of those fundamental things from which so many other political views flow.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:27:13] - Daniel: "Did someone argue it was?" That felt like the main thrust of Korver's point. My understanding is that he was saying that white people are responsible for racism and therefore we as individuals have to work to fix it. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:26:43] - Paul: You don't hire anyone YET!  Rampant discourse could always blow up.  I think Korver again mentions that in the article, at least what his ideas are.  I don't think any one person is going to "solve" it overnight or anything but I think over your lifetime you'll have opportunities.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:25:52] - Daniel: Where am I going with it? I think it goes back to like the first thing I said. "As white people, are we guilty of the sins of our forefathers? No, I don’t think so.  But are we responsible for them? Yes, I believe we are." I disagree with that statement. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:24:44] - Paul: " I don't think it's a useful metric for talking about individuals" - Did someone argue it was?  I think the point is do those who don't suffer from something have an obligation to help those that are suffering from something?  So if you can concede that blacks deal with more racism is there any responsibility or duty to help rectify that?  Thats what I found interesting.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:24:00] - I don't think I've "opted out" of dealing with racism, but I also don't see how I can help with the situation. I don't hire anybody. I don't think I've hurt anybody in a racist way. What am I supposed to do with the knowledge that a black teen is 2x as likely to be pulled over or jailed or whatever? -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:21:51] - Paul: I'm confused by where you are going with this.  Did someone say white people are immune to racism?  Why is it narrowly useful to know that blacks deal with racism more?  The whole point was to start there and then think about if you have a positive affirmation to help deal with that.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:20:23] - Daniel: Are more black people victims of racism than white people? Sure. Probably. But I think that's a narrowly useful point. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:19:55] - Daniel: No I get his point, but I disagree because of the group vs individual thing. I disagree that all white people are immune to racism and all black people are victims of it. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:18:46] - Daniel: But again, I think the focus on groups is unhelpful. We could also frame it as: Person out late at a nightclub gets leg broken by cop. I imagine the chances of that happening is higher. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:18:30] - Paul: I still think you are using the word wrong.  Or at least not understanding the point of Korvers article.  You have the option of opting out of dealing with racism.  Others don't.  Does that make sense to you?  That is A privilege that you have they don't.  It doesn't mean you have a better life or drive a better car or not.  So there are other privileges that fall into that same category that you probably don't think about. -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:17:51] - Daniel: I don't see how it is odd at all. Random person gets leg broken by cops is not a story. NBA player gets leg broken by cops is a national story. Why? Man bites dog. It's an unusual occurrence. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:16:35] - Daniel: Like the Beto and Buttigieg stuff... sure, whites might on average be privileged, but how should that affect how we see those two individuals? I don't see why it should. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:16:35] - Also part of the point of the article was that an NBA player had their leg broken by NYPD so saying that its less likely to happen seems odd.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:15:50] - Daniel: Are whites as a whole more privileged? Let's say I concede the point. How is that helpful? There's still plenty of white's who have crappier circumstances overall or plenty of blacks born into wealth with lots of advantages. I don't think it's a useful metric for talking about individuals. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:14:57] - Paul: Well I don't know that either is "valid" because probably anyone should be able to learn from someone else's story.  But I think its a more reasonable position to start from.  I guess it depends on how they go from it.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:14:29] - Daniel: Yeah, you can make generalizations about incarceration rates in regards to race, but that doesn't tell you anything about individuals, only groups. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:13:08] - Paul: then that seems valid.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:12:53] - Paul: I think the care has to be taken in generalizing from larger demographic / population based conclusions down to smaller samples sizes / individuals but like if African american moms died at 20x the rate as white moms during childbirth (i just made that up to illustrate the point) that would definitely be a conclusion worth paying attention to. -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:11:44] - Daniel: Your comment about voting isn't apples to apples, though. You're fabricating different motivations based on the races involved. What if the white man doesn't want to vote for the black lady because he's worried she won't understand his life story and perspective? -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:11:14] - Paul: "You can't really draw sweeping conclusions based on race."  - I mean that depends on the conclusion?  I think Korver listed out several that are pretty much just facts?  Like incarceration rates?  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:10:02] - Daniel: "he probably won't get his leg broken by the NYPD and is way less likely to go to jail for using weed" Maybe? I suspect he's actually more likely to have those things happen than, say, Lebron James. I think in a lot of cases wealth and fame is more privilege than color of skin, and that's my point. You can't really draw sweeping conclusions based on race. -Paul

[2019-04-09 10:08:19] - Paul: So if you don't feel like you have any responsibility then you can opt out of the issue but most (all?) blacks don't have the ability to opt out.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:07:20] - Paul: I think Korvers point about responsibility (and then duty if any) was the point I was interested in as well.  I think there is an argument to be made that everyone has an affirmative duty to help fight racism.  I'm not totally sure on that but I think partly his point is that even if you disagree there are those that have the option to opt out of that issue and those that don't.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:04:51] - I would agree if someone said I don't want to vote for a white guy because whites are dumb and inferior that would be just as bad.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:04:40] - I think the voting for black vs voting for white is closer but I might argue the complete sentence version of those would be if a black lady said I don't want to vote for a white man I'm worried he won't understand my life story and perspective vs a white guy who says I don't want to vote for a black lady because I think they are lesser and inferior.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 10:02:45] - Paul: I'm unfamiliar with your second definition.  I think you are misunderstanding the term "privileged" when it comes to this conversation.  The poor white coal miner is going to have a harder life in terms of economics but thats not what the "privilege" is about.  Its about the fact that he probably won't get his leg broken by the NYPD and is way less likely to go to jail for using weed.  -Daniel

[2019-04-09 09:39:27] - https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/09/uk/waitrose-ducklings-scli-intl-gbr/index.html "One possible explanation for the naming" I don't know why, but I thought that phrasing was funny. What is the other possible explanation for the naming? That the company wanted to be racist against black people with red spots? :-P -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:21:04] - aaaron: https://reason.com/blog/2019/04/09/nylon-strange-planet-aliens-nathan-pyle Sounds like you two might have to stop reading those comics now. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:19:18] - All of those seem kinda dumb to me. I think racism is stupid because I think trying to group millions of individuals into some silo that they all have to conform to is stupid, not because I think some groups are better or worse than others. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:17:44] - Are Asians a privileged group? They've suffered from forms of discrimination in the past, but as a group seem to be flourishing now, so you see things like Harvard actually discriminating against them. I've seen think pieces discussing whether being gay excuses Mayor Pete from his white maleness so he can fairly compete with the females and minorities... -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:16:12] - That latter definition of racism gets messy really quickly. Is some poor white coal miner in West Virginia who was born into poverty really more privileged than a black basketball player who is wealthy now and doesn't seem to have lived in poverty in his youth? That seems like a hard argument to make and a silly one. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:13:32] - Because I think it shouldn't matter the color of the skin or whatever, but the individual themselves. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:12:36] - Like, I get that the optics of saying you don't like somebody and won't vote for them because they're a white male is different from the optics of saying you don't like somebody and won't vote for them because they're a black female is different, but I frankly think they're both racist and both wrong to the same degree. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:11:23] - I'm uncomfortable with that definition of racism and think it's dangerous. It encourages dividing people up along ethnic lines and ranking them based on some seemingly arbitrary "disadvantaged" scale and pitting groups against each other. It frankly seems racist to me. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:10:07] - But these days, it feels like there's another definition of racism where it's almost the opposite. It encourages placing people in groups and emphasizing how some groups are more privileged than others and therefore any members of those groups should be treated differently regardless of their personal circumstance. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:08:34] - That definition of racism basically pits people who believe that people should be judged by their own merits against people who want to generalize and stereotype and I'm very happy to be a part of the former group and think it's easy to disprove the latter group.-Paul

[2019-04-09 09:06:02] - One definition, and the one I subscribe to, is that racism is about making judgements about groups of people based on immutable characteristics (in this case, the color of their skin or where their ancestors came from or however you want to define "race"). I think this is wrong because it seems to put more importance on the group over the individual. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:03:36] - Not "our" like the message board, but the country in general. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:03:26] - I've been rolling around an idea in my head, and been having trouble expressing it, but it almost feels like there are two different definitions for "racism" that might be tripping up our discourse. -Paul

[2019-04-09 09:02:43] - Daniel: I saw that, and read some of it. The part he lost me was where he said something along the lines of how white people aren't guilty for past racism like slavery, but they are responsible. Maybe he was trying to talk about how white people benefit from privilege, but he kinda lost me there. -Paul

[2019-04-09 01:32:49] - mig: If he thinks he wasn't do anything when now he thinks he should have how else is he supposed to go about expressing that?  I thought it was interesting to read about his reactions to Thabo given how crazy that was.  -Daniel

[2019-04-08 23:46:55] - daniel:  I had a hard time reading it without rolling my eyes .... a lot.  Seeing white people repeatedly self-flagellate themselves over their original sin of whiteness is kind of getting sad. - mig

[2019-04-08 16:50:56] - Its hard to say how much responsibility anyone has.  And then what duty (if any) stems from that responsibility.  -Daniel

[2019-04-08 16:49:58] - How far does that extend?  I think for everyone there is a spectrum of the person in front of you needing help opening a door cause their arms are full where its easy to help vs dedicating your life to fighting world hunger where its very consuming and hard.  -Daniel

[2019-04-08 16:48:45] - I think its a good read and makes some solid points.  There was one part that stood out to me "And I believe it’s the responsibility of anyone on the privileged end of those inequalities to help make things right."  I wonder if that is one of those fundamental things that people feel differently about and from which so many other things flow.  -Daniel

[2019-04-08 16:20:19] - Interesting article from Kyle Korver (white nba player) https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/batyur/privileged_by_kyle_korver_players_tribune/ Seems like it might not show up in all the places people normally get there news so thought I would give it a shout out.  -Daniel

[2019-04-08 15:01:38] - https://medium.com/@miketoole/it-has-been-twenty-years-since-fabio-killed-a-goose-with-his-face-on-a-roller-coaster-a87d51285890?fbclid=IwAR2PEvvKdaX4qxhLfQJiee I had trouble reading this at work without laughing out loud. -Paul

[2019-04-08 13:11:59] - paul:  "I just wish it was extended more evenly to people"  request denied :)  ~a

[2019-04-08 10:56:53] - paul:  yah.  ~a

[2019-04-08 09:31:02] - mig: I vaguely remember those Reid comments now. To be clear, I'm fine giving people the benefit of the doubt about these things (I honestly think Biden and Reid meant both as complements... or at least not insults), I just wish it was extended more evenly to people. -Paul

[2019-04-08 09:27:34] - a: Meadowlark, I assume? :-) -Paul

[2019-04-08 08:59:51] - i had no idea wind was so cheap.  for those that love nuclear, the cost recently has been bad!  projections:  natural gas is getting expensive, solar/wind are getting cheaper.  nuclear/coal are shit.  ~a

[2019-04-08 08:44:25] - paul:  i was in a park saturday.  it was north of vienna, near wolftrap.  i walked around a few hours.  on my way out of the park i looked over at like . . . a reception-like area.  "ha!  i have been here before"  :)  ~a

[2019-04-08 08:40:08] - mig:  reids comments are pretty bad yes.  i don't remember hearing about that story.  ~a

[2019-04-08 08:38:32] - mig:  sorry the message board fucked up your comment twice:  first time, was:  it didn't like the curly quotes.  then, it added a hidden-whitespace in your link so text could wrap, making it difficult to copy-paste.  link  ~a

[2019-04-07 20:21:37] - I always thought <a href=“https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/us/politics/10reidweb.html”>Harry Reid’s remarks about Obama</a> were much worse. - mig

[2019-04-05 15:20:11] - Paul: Yeah that seems not great.  Certainly much closer to the chink in the armor guy.  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 15:17:18] - Daniel: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/ "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." That appears to be the whole quote. -Paul

[2019-04-05 15:15:38] - Oh for the articulate thing - I think it would depend on the context.  I don't remember at all a deal with Biden.  I think if early on in the 08 primary Biden had been like "WOW OBAMA IS SO ARTICULATE".  That would be pretty bad.  If he was like "look this man is smart capable leader who is able to communiate the US policy vision in an ariiculate way to other world leaders..." then that doesn't seem so bad.  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 15:13:58] - Daniel: That's why I'm confused. I see the two as pretty similar and if anything, Biden's is worse because his excuse is less credible. -Paul

[2019-04-05 15:13:25] - Daniel: Where it was a Chinese person (pretty clearly not intending to say something racist) using what can be considered a Chinese slur about a Japanese person. -Paul

[2019-04-05 15:12:33] - Daniel: *Shrug* I can't tell you because I don't think either is bad. I see them as pretty similar. Biden said something that he clearly didn't intend to be racist, but some people think can be interpreted that way, and he is a white person saying it about a black person. That seems... more condemnable than the other situation. -Paul

[2019-04-05 15:11:15] - Cause I don't think Biden really did anything bad in the first place?  Why is it as bad?  It doesn't involve using a phrase with a racial slur to refer to an asian player that is literally only ever applied to that player?  I don't understand why one would think its as bad.  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 15:04:25] - Daniel: Presumably, then, you think Biden's is not as bad? Can you explain why? -Paul

[2019-04-05 15:00:13] - Paul: I don't think they are the same.  So yeah I'm ok having different stances on them.  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 14:23:32] - Daniel: Although, just to be clear, you think it's fine that Biden called Obama articulate and joked about not touching kids after his "#metoo" moment but also think the Chinese sports announcer should've gotten in trouble for saying "chink in the armor" about a Japanese pitcher? -Paul

[2019-04-05 14:22:10] - Daniel: Sure, I think I agree with the take when it's a Democrat saying something awkward (ie, understanding that it was maybe in poor taste but a forgive-able mistake) than the take that calling Obama articulate (which I agree is accurate) is an unpardonable sin. -Paul

[2019-04-05 14:16:21] - Because in a competitive political landscape why not.  If you are someone who supports Harris why wouldn't you try to make Biden look terrible?  /shrug  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 14:15:47] - I don't think its in good taste but I don't know knwo that its a huge deal even if he was an R.  I imagine there would (will be) people who try to make it a bigger deal?  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 14:15:03] - there*

[2019-04-05 14:14:56] - Obama is articulate.  I know ther is dog whistle stuff there but its still accurate.  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 14:13:43] - It reminds me of when he called Obama "articulate" and "clean". It was written off as him just being a goofy old guy instead of attributed to some nefarious deep-seated racism or (in this case) sexism. -Paul

[2019-04-05 14:12:40] - https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/politics/biden-ibew-speech-hug-joke-personal-space-allegations/index.html I know he's been getting some push-back, but I can't help but wonder what kind of uproar there would be if Biden was a Republican doing this instead of the person topping polls for the preferred Democratic presidential candidate. -Paul

[2019-04-05 12:51:12] - a: Yeah, we didn't have any of those. Those are the best.... when your original base is long gone and even your expansions are running out of resources and pretty much every spot on the map is taken and it becomes a war of attrition... -Paul

[2019-04-05 12:41:53] - paul:  that's fair.  you're right, of course.  i think maybe i'm remembering only the super-long games i've had in the past.  ~a

[2019-04-05 12:02:07] - a: I think of it this way, in over half the games I think I got to my tier 3 units... -Paul

[2019-04-05 12:01:34] - a: We had one or two back-and-forth games. Unfortunately, I think we usually lost those. I actually thought the length was fair. We only lost to a legit "rush" once, and I don't think we ever rushed our opponents, so that's a high quality game to cheese ratio in my mind. -Paul

[2019-04-05 11:52:06] - paul:  yes, my favorite part was winning games!  :)  none of the games seemed very long though.  it seemed like we either won undeniably or lost undeniably.  there weren't many close-games, but i think that's more common in 2v2 as opposed to 3v3?  oddly enough, i remember that non-close-games being common in 4v4 as well, so maybe i don't totally understand the dynamic of close-games.  ~a

[2019-04-05 11:31:40] - Btw, I won't speak for Adrian, but I had a lot of fun playing Starcraft 2 last night and we even won a fair share of games. Boy am I rusty, though. -Paul

[2019-04-05 11:30:33] - Daniel: And I saw a ton of pushback to Beto because he was getting all of this media attention that people felt like Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren (is she considered white or a minority now?) didn't get. People seem torn on if Mayor Pete's "gayness" counts as him being a minority or not. :-P -Paul

[2019-04-05 11:28:42] - aaron:  a little more seriously, perl is an easy target because it's so bad:  if you're allowed to write code like that, then people will.  and you'll be required to understand it :-\  ~a

[2019-04-05 11:28:34] - Daniel: 100% agree that it's too early for anything and I think I also agree that it's (hopefully?) somewhat due to just chasing clicks. I don't think it's the only thing, though. Yes, a lot of Howard Schultz getting savaged was probably him thinking about running as an independent, but there was also a lot of talk about his rich, white maleness... -Paul

[2019-04-05 11:27:50] - aaron:  yeah i'm not surprised.  :-P  still i don't know a lot of that syntax.  ~a

[2019-04-05 11:26:01] - paul:  yeah.  what daniel said.  ~a

[2019-04-05 10:58:02] - Also its ridiculously early.  I think all of it is silly when we still have like 8 or 9 months till we start voting.  Partly it might be its easy low hanging fruit to talk about the obvious characteristics because there aren't going to be any debates where we can dive into policy differences for MONTHS.  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 10:56:37] - Paul: I've heard about various positions for warren and buttieleg (sp?).  I think somewhat its articles trying to chase clicks.  I think those factors play in and certainly people and their 'privilege' is a bigger deal now than it used to but I certainly wouldn't call Beto, Biden, or Butieleg immediately disqualified.  -Daniel

[2019-04-05 09:11:03] - by a lot of people. -Paul

[2019-04-05 09:10:54] - People who consider themselves democrats: I feel like I've seen more ink spilled online the past month or so about the skin color, gender, age, sexuality, and wealth of the Democrats running for the presidential nomination than I have about their policy positions. Does this make any of you uncomfortable? It seems like if you're old or white or male or wealthy (or heaven forbid, all of the above), then you're immediately disqualified... -Paul

[2019-04-04 17:46:45] - http://colinm.org/sigbovik/ 93% of paint splatters are valid perl programs - aaron

[2019-04-03 10:51:01] - a: And the bounce-back in bitcoin means your meta lead is increasing too. Apparently I need to stop worrying and learn to love the crypto / marijuana / chipmakers -Paul

[2019-04-03 10:36:33] - a: Yeah, AMD has been ridiculous the past 6 months or so. I suspect it can't keep it up, but you definitely closed the gap in a hurry for 2019. -Paul

[2019-04-03 10:33:41] - xpovos:  one nice thing is the banks did pay back all of the loans by 2011.  so that might have helped bring inflation back in check.  ~a

[2019-04-03 10:30:23] - paul:  oof, +9% on both challenges.  ~a

[2019-04-02 17:05:28] - That works because the houses were bought with credit, which is a prime source of inflationary tendencies. And that credit was created by the banks on the back of fractional reserve lending.  So as those banks failed and they were forced to mark to market, new credit had to be created (by the gov't and Fed. Res.) to prevent credit implosion (deflation), but no new inflation would come of it, because it was just, roughly, equal. -- Xpovos

[2019-04-02 17:03:51] - it was stablizing the inflation that had already happened.  A significant chunk of the crisis was sparked by the unprecedented rise in home prices, and while those did tank, they also did not revert to mean, and have since largely regained their bubble positions.  In other words, we inflated the housing market (2000-2008) and the bailout stabilized it, rather than being itself inflationary. --Xpovos

[2019-04-02 17:02:27] - I've spent a long time thinking about 2008 and the trillions (plural, because the governmental bailout was really only the tip of the iceberg--QE and other activities by the Fed increased that four-fold at least) pumped into the economy to "keep it stable."  It's simply astounding how that didn't create inflation.  The best answer I've found or come up with is that it didn't create inflation, because [...] -- Xpovos

[2019-04-02 14:54:03] - daniel:  i've said it, like a bunch of times, but "censorship resistance" is only one of the many reasons i like bitcoin.  there are many other reasons it's useful.  ~a

[2019-04-02 14:44:55] - I think the point in that article that these apps will always be worse than centralized apps seems relevant to my point that I don't think censorship resistance is something that will really move the needle with the masses enough to make these mainstream.  Maybe they don't need to be though.  Clearly there is at least a niche for crypto to occupy.  -Daniel

[2019-04-02 14:43:01] - "to help groups that are developing decentralized apps raise funds to make their apps better"  - is this true?  I guess I'm not aware of this aspect of crypto.  I know there are people that are working on apps that utilize crypto but I've also never heard of one that was worth using.  -Daniel

[2019-04-02 14:15:39] - a: https://medium.com/datadriveninvestor/why-im-buying-bitcoin-6b64f7efa30 Your argument reminds me of this (which I actually just read today). I like thinking of it as an insurance policy. I'm worried about inflation and essentially being non-diversified in USD. I imagine being heavy in equities and real estate (my house) should help, but it would be nice to have a third leg. -Paul

[2019-04-02 14:11:29] - daniel:  something like 1/3rd of a trillion dollars was loaned out to banks in 2008.  that money was created out of thin air:  we didn't use tax money to make those loans.  ~a

[2019-04-02 14:10:05] - daniel:  it's crazy that someone who lived through the 2008 crisis, and someone who knows that literally nothing was fixed to keep it from happening again, and someone who knows how quickly we print out dollars, seems to think that bitcoin is the "difficult" option here.  it's like choosing between two very very bad options.  you've mostly picked incorrectly if 100% of your net worth is tied up in usd.  ~a

[2019-04-02 14:08:21] - daniel:  well i don't think the financial industries deserve the trust you've given them. i'll take bitcoin over the likes of m2 and the federal reserve / financial corporations any day of the week (see an m2 graph, bernard madoff, hsbc, bear stearns, goldman sachs, morgan stanley, washington mutual, fannie mae, and freddie mac now owned by the government, the trillion dollar coin which is a real fucking proposal).  ~a

[2019-04-02 13:51:20] - a: Though clearly some do so not everyone.  But I'm not sure about the majority wants to be their own bank.  -Daniel

[2019-04-02 13:50:51] - a: "be your own bank" is one of the reasons I'm skeptical of crypto.  I don't think people want or are ready for that responsibility.  -Daniel

[2019-04-02 13:49:02] - a: I thought that was what I was doing by memorizing my 12 words. :-P -Paul

[2019-04-02 13:42:15] - paul:  "be your own bank" really means: "be insanely paranoid about your data".  ~a

[2019-04-02 13:41:42] - paul:  "in case I somehow lose all of my copies of the QR code?"  you don't.  make more copies?  tell more people about the password?  ~a

[2019-04-02 13:37:23] - a: Barf. So how do I get a second level of safety for my cold wallet in case I somehow lose all of my copies of the QR code? -Paul

[2019-04-02 13:36:44] - paul:  they're two unassociated wallets and you're conflating them.  (mycellium added a new "cold storage" feature.  i haven't used it yet)  ~a

[2019-04-02 13:35:42] - paul:  nope.  your "cold storage" wallet is not associated with your 12 words.  ~a

[2019-04-02 13:13:45] - aaron:  i removed all the divisions and modulus, and i'm still at 2m!  how did your code run so fast?  can i read it?  (mine is here.  make sure to use RECURSE_DEPTH=0 if you want it to work like yours).  ~a

[2019-04-02 12:56:49] - a: Hmmm, when I went to "cold storage" and put in my 12 words, it said it found one account but it had 0 btc in it to spend. Did I do something wrong or did my btc go bye bye? :-P -Paul

[2019-04-02 12:50:58] - a: I did check my hot wallet before the last post. It is empty. -Paul

[2019-04-02 12:47:53] - paul:  gotcha.  yeah, the best place to look at your hot-wallet is your phone.  install mycellium, put in your 12 words (let it sync up), and look at your balance.  my guess is your hot wallet is mostly empty, though.  every time i've paid you (in 2018 and 2019), it has been to your cold wallet.  ~a

[2019-04-02 12:43:34] - a: Is there a way to check my 12 words? Put them into a website somewhere to see how many bitcoins are in the wallet? I'm 99% certain I remember my password (and have told Gurkie) and have multiple copies of the paper wallet. -Paul

[2019-04-02 12:33:22] - paul:  then your paper-wallet does matter.  you should have your password memorized, i'd probably tell your password to gurkie too.  i'd keep two copies of your paper wallet in different locations as well.  think of it like cash (but differently-hard to steal, since cash doesn't need a password).  ~a

[2019-04-02 12:31:21] - "I've pretty much kept my hot wallet empty"  then your 12 words probably don't matter as much (comparatively).  ~a

[2019-04-02 12:30:09] - a: Could be. I didn't think so, though. I've pretty much kept my hot wallet empty and just had everything saved to my paper wallet so I don't know if I care as much about the hot wallet anymore. -Paul

[2019-04-02 12:28:24] - paul:  no.  no, i don't think so.  i think your 12 words and your paper wallet are two different wallets.  is that right?  ~a

[2019-04-02 12:14:52] - a: The 12 words allow me to regenerate my paper wallet QR code in case I lose it, right? -Paul

[2019-04-02 12:13:52] - It occurs to me that, while the percentage of my retirement fund tied up in btc during the spike was probably around 3-4%, it has dropped below 1% now. I wonder if I should remedy that... probably should make sure I remember my 12 words (and still have my paper wallet still) first. :-) -Paul

[2019-04-02 12:02:38] - daniel:  it would probably be like a percentage thing.  since most people don't have their rent and mortgages payable in btc, and because my customers don't pay me in btc, i think it would go more something like:  pay me 10% of my net-pay in btc, please.  ~a

[2019-04-02 12:02:35] - daniel:  i have not offered that.  nobody in my office has asked me for it!  :)  but, i probably would do it if someone asked.  ~a

[2019-04-02 11:33:16] - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/googles-constant-product-shutdowns-are-damaging-its-brand/ Wait... hangouts and music are going away? -Paul

[2019-04-02 11:26:41] - a: Do you think they would be interested in that?  -Daniel

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