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[2022-11-23 15:54:51] - https://i.redd.it/sdfj4r11wo1a1.png (scene from rogue one i think? right before first scene in episode 4) as pointed out by the reddit kids, he is maybe the guy who gets choked to death, like five minutes later, so it's probably was smart that she didn't give him any details about what it was? ~a
[2022-11-23 13:57:09] - mig: yup. to both. i think reddit's way is much better than twitter's though. i'm not holding hope out for mastodon, but i do think musk firing the entire engineering team of twitter is an interesting way to go. let's see if it pays off. i wonder what will come out of the ashes if it doesn't. ~a
[2022-11-23 13:53:07] - Even then, reddit is not without its problems. - mig
[2022-11-23 13:52:35] - a: the problem i guess is that twitter may not be structured for that structure of moderation? Mastodon I guess kind of is since instances are kind of like subreddits. - mig
[2022-11-23 13:41:21] - paul: yeah the laptop story was definitely egregious. The original NY Post's reporting, which was pretty much truthful, was immediately suppressed and as "misinformation" and now it's like, "oh I guess it's legit now that we are safely past the 2020 election" even though some of what was considered verified now was verifiable back then. - mig
[2022-11-23 13:30:10] - paul: ok. i'm not sure how to reply to any of that other than "i agree". i guess i agree with you, but in many ways all of what you say proves my point: that moderation shouldn't happen in one place. since moderation won't ever be something we all agree on, we need desperately to decentralize moderation. i mean, to a small degree it's exactly what reddit does. ~a
[2022-11-23 13:24:17] - a: I would argue that is far less bullying than calling Trump a fat, orange, authoritarian, thin-skinned loser, but I don't know of any popular social media sites that would even consider banning the latter. -Paul
[2022-11-23 13:22:51] - a: Misgendering can be bullying, but doesn't it depend on context? What if during a discussion of transgender women in women's sports, somebody says something to the effect of "men shouldn't be competing" and forgets to append, "biological"? -Paul
[2022-11-23 13:21:34] - a: And this is why I hate loosely defined moderation rules. Taylor Lorenz has routinely defined any criticism of her work by people like Tucker Carlson to be bullying because when they do it, hundreds (thousands?) of twitter randos troll her. -Paul
[2022-11-23 11:11:36] - Paul: this is why I don't like the idea of a monolithic moderation team. misgendering is not hate speach, but it is bullying. reddit, twitter, and facebook do not allow bullying, but I imagine lots of sites that can and do allow bullying. Those sites will allow misgendering. ~a
[2022-11-23 00:07:35] - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-data-analysis/ The Hunter Biden laptop story is looking less and less like a Russian disinformation campaign... which makes the actions that social media companies took right before the election look worse and worse. -Paul
[2022-11-22 23:59:54] - a: Got it. Ok, I’ll get on that. — Xpovos
[2022-11-22 23:25:40] - xpovos: "Please email diplomacyteam@meta.com to request the password". ~a
[2022-11-22 23:13:25] - a: "can you give an example of it being tolerated vs not tolerated?" Hate speech? I mean, there's plenty of evidence of people previously having been banned for misgendering. Part of the problem is what constitutes hate speech, right? -Paul
[2022-11-22 22:57:37] - a: I don’t see an email. Probably just blind. — Xpovos
[2022-11-22 22:46:47] - xpovos: https://github.com/facebookresearch/diplomacy_cicero wanna play?! if you email that email address and get the password I'll do the rest. ~a
[2022-11-22 20:54:59] - That was me, sorry. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-22 20:54:45] - Well, this is amazing. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade9097
[2022-11-22 18:25:26] - I think twitter banning / removing hate speech is an example of not being tolerated. Kayne being dropped by Adidas. -Daniel
[2022-11-22 18:06:47] - daniel/paul: can you give an example of it being tolerated vs not tolerated? maybe a concrete example of twitter? what should twitter do when there is hate-speech? ~a
[2022-11-22 17:05:56] - I guess I would strengthen that to say hate speech shouldn't be illegal. However I still don't know that means it needs to be tolerated. -Daniel
[2022-11-22 16:56:24] - I'm not sure that hate speech should be illegal but I'm also not sure that hate speech should be tolerated by society. -Daniel
[2022-11-22 15:36:50] - paul: i agree that hate speech is (very) generally legal, and agree that it should be, and agree that it's probably in danger of becoming illegal in some situations in some places. ~a
[2022-11-22 15:24:51] - a: Yes, twitter should be allowed to moderate and yes, they should keep illegal stuff off their platform. The only caveat I will give is that I am increasingly nervous about what we're defining as illegal speech. For example. Hate speech ISN'T illegal, but a lot of people think it is and I worry about some time in the future when the law might change. -Paul
[2022-11-22 15:23:09] - a: " ha, nice find" I honestly had that marked down in my notes from when you originally said it because I wanted to follow up with you about it when I had the time. I was surprised to hear you say that, BUT it does seem to fit with where I perceive your views to be currently. -Paul
[2022-11-22 13:45:27] - paul: ha, nice find. ok well i think twitter should be allowed to moderate, and should generally try to keep illegal behavior off their platform. ill stop there because we probably agree on that much. do we not, though? ~a
[2022-11-22 12:55:25] - mig: i can do what i want, and i will. "people claiming to leave twitter because they might have to share the platform with filthy neanderthal conservatives" nobody has claimed this. so nobody is fleeing for a safe space? ~a
[2022-11-22 06:51:15] - a: Why would you champion free speech on places like the dark web but not twitter? I feel like being for free speech, but only when it's hidden from the public, is not quite being a champion of free speech. -Paul
[2022-11-22 06:50:24] - a: It's not about what I want. You yourself called yourself "probably not a defender of free speech" https://aporter.org/msg/?action=prev&prev=171500#171535 -Paul
[2022-11-22 06:49:20] - Daniel: I think if an employee wants to talk about his same sex spouse or a twitter user wants to say that Elliott Page was Ellen Page or somebody wants to do a book review of Mein Kampf in a library then we're all better off generally tolerating that than banning it all even if it's legally allowed. -Paul
[2022-11-22 06:45:10] - Daniel: Like Adrian said, a culture of free speech is the tolerance for speech that goes outside what is legally required. It's society's tolerance for speech. So even if platform X is legally allowed to ban all discussion of Jesus or homosexuality or abortion or whatever, a culture of free speech would mean most platforms generally tend to be less censorious than more. -Paul
[2022-11-22 06:39:24] - I’d refer to people claiming to leave twitter because they might have to share the platform with filthy neanderthal conservatives to be yes, fleeing to safe spaces. - mig
[2022-11-22 06:36:42] - a: if you dislike musk that much, do what you want man. - mig
[2022-11-22 05:37:25] - mig: i hate musk and everything he produces. do you suggest i should continue to participate in his mouth-piece? assuming you use twitter, have you noticed that elon's tweets are always at the very top? ~a
[2022-11-22 05:23:49] - mig: i'm not fleeing to a safe space. do you think that is what i am doing? if hillary clinton bought up twitter and decided she was going to ban conservative views, would you leaving twitter be considered fleeing to a safe space? or if you found out bezos was making facial recognition software with immigration and customs enforcement, so decided to stop using amazon to buy toilet paper or whatever, would that be fleeing to a safe space? ~a
[2022-11-22 05:23:43] - mig: paul already linked that. scroll down a bit. ~a
[2022-11-22 01:43:16] - mig: Gotcha and I'm pro trying to get companies to have "the right" moderation policies as well but that is hard to define and I don't think its a free speech issue. -Daniel
[2022-11-21 23:37:09] - still waiting for the end of twitter btw. - mig
[2022-11-21 23:35:34] - a: I do love mastadon. If it gives them the opportunity to flee to their safe space echo chambers and leave others be, as Nate said, that might be a contribution to the betterment of humanity. - mig
[2022-11-21 23:30:44] - when i say anyone i mean anyone on here (though paul can correct me on that). - mig
[2022-11-21 23:30:16] - daniel: I'm not sure anyone is arguing that twitter should be obligated legally to pursue a 1st amendment brand of free speech. My argument has always been that it would be a more ideal platform if it does, and it should be up for criticism for what I would consider bad moderation policies. - mig
[2022-11-21 17:05:54] - i'll let paul answer your question, because i'm getting the feeling that paul doesn't want me to be the champion of free speech. ~a
[2022-11-21 17:04:48] - I think the idea of free speech means speech without ramifications is wrong. Twitter doesn't have to host stuff they don't want to. Is there some part of "free speech" that should obligate twitter (or other social media site) to just host arbitrary content of whatever type? -Daniel
[2022-11-21 16:57:20] - daniel: i think i disagree. "free speech" is a superset of the free speech parts of the 1st amendment. in other words, free speech has a lot of parts to it, i think, and you're only highlighting the 1st amendment or maybe just highlighting the governmental parts of free speech? ~a
[2022-11-21 16:54:28] - I don't think just because some social media service becomes popular means it suddenly can't moderate / regulate in order to satisfy a free speech requirement. -Daniel
[2022-11-21 16:53:50] - Paul: I'm not sure what a cultural concept of free speech means. I think twitter is not relevant to the concept of free speech in my head. What gets regulated by any particular service or platform doesn't seem to impact someone's free speech? I think this goes back to the Twitter != "public square" idea where maybe I remember we viewed it differently. -Daniel
[2022-11-21 16:20:44] - paul: i know you love to dunk on mastodon, but i feel like free speech activists should LOVE mastodon. i get that you think mastodon won't congeal, and you MIGHT be right. but, it is worth a shot in my opinion. it's popularity is exploding and i do admit it is overly optimistic to assume that will continue: i hope for mastodon like you hope for a third party. mastodon active users: 2m. twitter active users: 200m. meh. ~a
[2022-11-21 15:52:23] - paul: my opinion of the dark net (and tor in specific) is also very positive. that's *def* not something that you'd hear someone who was opposed to free speech would say. ~a
[2022-11-21 15:44:54] - paul: ok. that sounds nonspecific though? when i start coming up with my own hypotheticals and examples, i mostly find myself being pretty open about what can and can't do with speech online. for example, i love the idea of end-to-end encryption and *very* few systems allow for that. on the other hand, end-to-end encryption is much more popular than it used to be. ~a
[2022-11-21 15:38:59] - a: Moderation, no matter how you want to think about it, is pretty much the opposite of free speech. So is the idea of tying harm to speech. Not saying that either is unreasonable (especially in moderation, pun not intended), but they are definitely opposite ends of a spectrum. -Paul
[2022-11-21 15:36:24] - paul: "you list a bunch of positions which are basically against the cultural concept of free speech" can you summarize how i did that? ~a
[2022-11-21 15:33:48] - a: "maybe not as much as you'd think" You say this, but then you list a bunch of positions which are basically against the cultural concept of free speech. -Paul
[2022-11-21 15:28:49] - "I prioritize free speech more than you" maybe not as much as you'd think. i'm pretty ok with companies (and individuals) deciding how to moderate their private servers. for instance, i think it's fine if a company wants to take on the liability for allowing on a bunch of dangerous and violent nazis. but, i also think it's fine if someone who is harmed by that server to sue. and if anything super illegal happens they can be arrested. ~a
[2022-11-21 15:26:30] - https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1594350639844294656 Like, I enjoy seeing stories like this about how all the censorious gatekeepers are fleeing to their obscure twitter alternative and swiftly turning it into a ban-filled hellscape.
-Paul[2022-11-21 15:24:56] - a: And honestly? I suspect we'll never agree seeing as I prioritize free speech more than you (IMHO). -Paul
[2022-11-21 15:21:08] - a: I would be fine with a 3 steps back for 2 steps forward, but disagree that there have been no improvements and only net negatives. I don't expect us to agree on the steps forward, though.
-Paul[2022-11-21 15:10:04] - two steps back for every zero steps forward?
~a[2022-11-21 15:09:09] - a: Almost certainly not. I should be clear here: I was optimistic about Musk's takeover of Twitter but so far it's been really all over the place and erratic with probably two steps back for every three steps forward? I mean, a lot depends on how much credence you give his often contradictory statements. -Paul
[2022-11-21 15:03:15] - paul: mmm. 1. did musk use the moderation system that he set up? 2. i have lots of other things, but none of them matter compared to #1. ~a
[2022-11-21 15:01:07] - a: Do you think Trump should still be banned from Twitter? -Paul
[2022-11-21 15:00:28] - a: Oh, I know you said NOVA tech company. Sorry, wasn't trying to use that survey as proof of anything. Just was the only info I could find that broke his approval down by some demographics. I agree it's likely not relevant now. -Paul
[2022-11-21 15:00:25] - paul: liberals (see nova and see tech) won't like his most recent changes (not even counting this weekend!) ~a
[2022-11-21 14:59:37] - a: I can't figure out if it's rich/poor, left/right, rural/urban, tech/non-tech. Seems like each group could have reason to admire and reason to dislike. -Paul
[2022-11-21 14:59:35] - paul: 1. yes things have change significantly for musk since february 2021. february 2021 was before his abrasive online persona exploded, forget twitter. hell, i loved musk in february 2021. or at least i was less anti-musk compared to today. 2. i said nova. 3. i said a tech company. ~a
[2022-11-21 14:58:53] - a: Ah, okay. Maybe we're close to the same page. Hard to tell what % doesn't have a strong opinion. I guess I'm trying to think: Where do you think his support is strongest? Wouldn't it be tech types? -Paul
[2022-11-21 14:57:13] - a: https://www.filesforprogress.org/datasets/2021/3/dfp-recode-voters-attitudes-billionaires.pdf Also, do you think things have significantly changed since Feb 2021? I'm guessing so. -Paul
[2022-11-21 14:54:50] - paul: more than 50% of your company's slack does not like the recent changes musk has made to twitter and think he's doing measurable damage to their bottom line. ~a
[2022-11-21 14:54:46] - a: Also, are we talking specifically just working in a tech company? Or the tech folks within the tech company? -Paul
[2022-11-21 14:53:55] - a: It's too bad this is so impossible to find out. I would love to know. I suspect maybe it's higher than you think? But also wouldn't be shocked if it was lower than I think. What would be your guess? -Paul
[2022-11-21 14:53:51] - paul: "Think of the children" i know you're joking here, but this is his public twitter feed. i try to keep my objectification of women on the DL. ~a
[2022-11-21 14:52:11] - paul: "ESPECIALLY if I know a sizeable portion of my coworkers probably think otherwise". there aren't too many people like this in nova working for a tech company. you're in the minority on your work slack unless my guess is way off. ~a
[2022-11-21 14:50:58] - a: I mean, there's people I dislike and hope their endeavors fail but I would never really think about posting non-stop about it on my work slack feed ESPECIALLY if I know a sizeable portion of my coworkers probably think otherwise. -Paul
[2022-11-21 14:49:54] - paul: count me in. i hate him and want him to fail. i also like talking about how much i hate him and want him to fail. ~a
[2022-11-21 14:49:12] - a: "Think of the children!"
I guess you're right that maybe it's not weird that people are talking about him because he's one of the most impactful people on the planet right now. But I guess I find it a little odd just how much so many people seem to hate him and want him to fail and specifically want to tell everybody else about how much they hate him and want him to fail. -Paul[2022-11-21 14:18:06] - mig: "it is weird how obsessed everyone is with Musk" *is it*? is it weird that a billionaire ceo (ceo three times over) would post "something like this" to their account watched by millions? many of them children? i know he does it just to get attention, but i'm merely saying: he is succeeding. he's getting attention. it's not "weird" or "bizaare (sic)". ~a
[2022-11-21 14:13:31] - mig: the pause was what, two days? "security of information on Twitter, given the departure of key personnel responsible for managing that" i'm not sure i buy this reasoning, but it's at least reasonable. ~a
[2022-11-21 14:11:19] - They cited "security concern" as a reason for pause? Security concerns from posting content to twitter? WTF? - mig
[2022-11-21 14:08:39] - a: considering their "pause" lasted maybe 30 some hours, I don't think forcing people to go elsewhere was the goal. This just seems like some dumb "Musk is a bad man" type protest without them saying so. - mig
[2022-11-21 13:06:19] - mig: if they make the proactive move of taking their content off of twitter then people will (be forced to) find their content in other ways. I think it's a fine gamble. they win their gamble if twitter falls into obscurity (i.e. myspace/Digg) and a more efficient system or less volatile system comes out on top. they also win their gamble if more people consume their content directly. they lose their gamble if these things do not happen ~a
[2022-11-20 21:26:01] - paul: my question is what is CBS news worried about happening if they continue to tweet links out to their news stories. The worst that happens is … people see and click the links for those stories. - mig
[2022-11-20 20:41:18] - Btw, Zuck must be LOVING that Musk is taking all this attention away from him. -Paul
[2022-11-20 20:31:27] - In the sense of him not being in lockstep with the major news orgs and major tech companies that he (and therefore now Twitter) is dangerous? -Paul
[2022-11-20 20:30:42] - mig: I guess it goes along with when Biden was wondering if Musk was a threat to national security? I don't know. Maybe there's a more reasonable explanation, but it really does seem like because he's a rogue element... -Paul
[2022-11-20 20:22:17] - https://twitter.com/lokayfox5/status/1593828049321361410 cbs news “paused” its twitter activity “out of abundance of caution”. Caution from what? This is so bizaare. - mig
[2022-11-20 16:37:13] - he may still fail, but yeah it is weird how obsessed everyone is with Musk. There’s quite a few people in my fb feed who seem to post about him daily. - mig
[2022-11-20 16:34:57] - twitter seems to still be up regardless of all the doomscrolling. I’m thinking Musk believes the well was poisoned with the current crop of personnel so burning everything down and starting over seems to be the correct call. - mig
[2022-11-18 19:39:29] - a:
~a[2022-11-18 17:51:13] - MWUAHAHAHAH ~a
[2022-11-18 17:51:05] - I can impersonate people?!?! . ~a
[2022-11-18 17:45:27] - daniel: alternatively anybody can edit anybody else's posts. it's not like you can't already impersonate anybody you want. ~a
[2022-11-18 17:22:14] - I think we can live without an edit button, it was just a series of terrible posts by me
-Daniel[2022-11-18 16:15:14] - do we want an edit button? i feel like you'd need a login for that to work. mmmm. maybe you can edit all recent posts with your ip? it would be weird if you shared an ip (NAT) with somebody though. ~a
[2022-11-18 16:11:23] - maybe I just can't type and should stop. G R A M M A R. yeesh
[2022-11-18 16:11:03] - gammar! It just gets worse....
[2022-11-18 16:09:33] - I need to edit so I can hide my shame! -Daniel
[2022-11-18 16:09:17] - omg my grammer. did find? just found? oof for me. -Daniel
[2022-11-18 16:09:00] - The TSA did found something! https://www.tomshardware.com/news/airport-tsa-knife-hidden-gaming-laptop Just noting since I think many of us think the TSA doesn't actually do much. Random win for them. -Daniel
[2022-11-18 16:03:22] - a: Ugh, right, and I have options which I have no idea how they're taxed too. Yes, I have sold some stuff outside of an IRA this year. -Paul
[2022-11-18 16:00:52] - last time i brought this up you and daniel were both like "i'm unaffected by this". ~a
[2022-11-18 16:00:24] - paul: "how do I determine which were sold?" specid. specid specid specid. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:58:49] - paul: are those untaxed? i'm not sure if executing an option gets taxed or not. did you sell anything? ~a
[2022-11-18 15:58:16] - a: Because I bought shares at different times but otherwise those shares are completely fungible so how do I determine which were sold? -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:57:50] - a: I am absolutely dreading taxes for this year just because of capital gains stuff. I have RSUs from Rocket and purchases from Employee Stock Purchase plans which alone will be a pain (we get a discount which I believe counts as income so isn't taxed but also impacts the cost basis). I've got an ungodly mix of short term and long term gains and losses but some of them are completely dependent on which shares I sold. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:56:52] - daniel: "sell and immediately rebuy" yes, but you can already do that. using the method you suggest in your second post. you can usually sell and immediately rebuy something that is basically the same thing. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:54:37] - a: Yeah so maybe using slightly different things that essentially achieve the same goal would work? Something like ETF's vs funds or some meta fund vs the actual peices? -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:53:55] - a: If you get rid of wash sales wouldn't the optimal strategy always be to sell and immediately rebuy when a stock goes down to lock in losses to offset any gains? -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:53:35] - daniel: i don't know. i'm not a tax accountant, but i've never worried about wash sales in those cases. slightly more relevant: vanguard has never labeled those as wash sales. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:52:35] - paul: i've always been convinced we need to simplify them, yes. getting rid of them would be ridiculous in my opinion. on the other hand, wash sales has always been one of the things i'd be happy to get rid of. (not as relevant, i also always argued against short and long term as a concept) ~a
[2022-11-18 15:52:00] - How do wash sales handle meta funds type things? Like if you have Target Date Retirement Fund 2070 (or whatever) in your soon bucket and just straight VT etf in your later bucket do those trigger? -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:51:25] - a: Convinced we need to get rid of capital gains taxes yet?
-Paul[2022-11-18 15:50:32] - Yeah I guess I don't have now or soon buckets invested in the stock market. Only later. -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:49:36] - I have some money in savings accounts outside the market that we can use if we have to do things like buy new AC for the house or fix car in emergency etc type stuff. -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:49:26] - daniel: if i want to ADD to the later bucket and SUBTRACT from the soon bucket, i basically can't unless: 1. i carefully avoid using the same types of stocks (like VT). or 2. just not care that there are wash sales. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:49:05] - a: If I'm using my investments to buy things it would either be pre retirment and not often or during retirement where I'm not really buying new stocks. I get how it could be annoying - I just don't think there will be a big overlap when I'm both buying and selling stocks. This might be partly because I don't use the market as a savings account which I think I remember that you do? -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:48:11] - daniel: my retirement planner suggested i create three buckets of money: "NOW" "SOON" and "LATER". the now bucket is mostly cash, the soon bucket is safe things that have gains (20% stocks, 80% bonds, for me), and the later bucket is mostly volatile things (80% stocks, 20% bonds, for me). the later bucket is by far the biggest in size. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:40:54] - paul: ok cool i see it now, thanks. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:40:33] - daniel: "my investments just sit there and I add to them occassionally / regularly" this is me generally too, but hypothetically you might eventually . . . need money? to buy things? that's not me today, but i do worry that once i get to that point it'll be too late to fix it because of large gains that would get taxed. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:36:58] - paul: no. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:36:14] - a: Also, so you think Twitter might just cease to exist or function in the coming days/weeks? -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:30:13] - a: Look at the little star icon at the top right. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:29:44] - I can't remember the last time I sold anything like VTI or VT or stuff like that. I just buy. I can see how if you are active with things it would be annoying but generally my investments just sit there and I add to them occassionally / regularly. -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:29:36] - a: "i hate musk and everything he produces, and have no reason to use his mouthpiece" Even that, though. I remember when everybody was going to stop going to Chick-fil-a or stop going to Disney World or whatever else. Lots of noise, not so much impact. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:27:54] - lol mastodon has a dockerfile. you can run one command to start up a mastodon server, ha. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:27:44] - paul: no. i looked through every setting page just now to find your setting and can't find it. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:26:08] - a: Did you change from "recommended tweets" to "latest tweets"? The algorithm sucked balls before which is why I switched to not using it. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:23:56] - paul: moving to canada is a bit of a stretch. one of them is just a website. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:22:08] - paul: "This platform I use is now biased against me" ah. i don't think twitter is biased against me, quite the opposite: i hate musk and everything he produces, and have no reason to use his mouthpiece. you wouldn't believe how many time i've said "this elon musk tweet is uninteresting to me" yet they STILL show up in my feed. (i haven't blocked him, but it's clear they're fucking with the algorithms regardless). ~a
[2022-11-18 15:22:04] - a: I would not at all be surprised if I ran into the issue and inadvertently didn't handle it properly. I very rarely try to game the whole tax loss harvesting thing, but I'm sure I have inadvertently done it before. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:20:49] - a: To use another analogy, it feels like the equivalent of moving to Canada when an election doesn't go your way. Have any of these things ever worked out where there is a mass migration from one dominant platform to a little-used one for political reasons? -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:20:22] - "never had an issue with it. Never thought to mess with it that way" guys, i run into these problems unintentionally all the time. i like "vti" and "vt" and whatnot etfs so i buy them in my IRA, and my 401k, and my taxable accounts. so, like, i run into issues even when i don't mean to. or . . . if i truely WANT to tax-loss-harvest the normal way, i'll still unintentionally break it by moving money around my IRA ~25 days later. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:19:57] - a: "can you explain why you feel that way?" It feels like a: "This platform I use is now biased against me and so I'm going to ditch it for some obscure alternative that likely isn't going to work out" -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:18:19] - paul: i disagree. can you explain why you feel that way? how are they similar to parler or truth social? unlike parler or truth social or twitter or slack, mastadon is truely federated. it's like the IRC days. in many ways it's a libertarian's dream. you want a white-power or nazi mastadon server, i'm pretty sure you can create one nbd. you can't do that with parer or truth social. ~a
[2022-11-18 15:17:48] - I already don't use twitter for anything so I don't think I will be affected or care how Twitter goes. Though I do see twitter links on reddit - mainly in sports and political subs - so maybe other people will have to change which will then change what I see as a secondary effect. -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:16:23] - a: Switching to Mastodon feels like the equivalent of switching to Parler or Truth social, tbh. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:16:03] - a: didn't know that about wash sales but also have never had an issue with it. Never thought to mess with it that way. But I can see the theory of why the rule exists. -Daniel
[2022-11-18 15:15:44] - a: "it *has* been a disaster" By what metric? Twitter usage seems to be at or near highs. They're losing a ton of employees..... just like every other tech company. The company was a money burning mess before, so the bar is pretty low. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:07:41] - google trends for mastodon. seriously though, i've never used it. i get that you have to choose a server or something: kinda like irc i guess? ~a
[2022-11-18 15:05:38] - paul: it *has* been a disaster. and the "Twitter is going to just stop working" is probably based on: 1. he's said that he's going to just stop (or has just stopped) some of the running microservices. ones that are required for twitter to work. OR 2. his ultimatum at 5pm. that's today, right? where literally everybody in the company can (and maybe will) take severance if they want. i'm switching to mastodon for news. you? ~a
[2022-11-18 15:01:53] - And how his acquisition of Twitter is such a disaster. -Paul
[2022-11-18 15:01:43] - I can somewhat understand the reasons why, but it still remains crazy to me the sheer number of people who are obsessed with Musk failing. Actual news agencies are reporting that Twitter is going to just stop working and that's all that Twitter seemed to be talking about last night / this morning. There's a #random slack channel at my work that has become JUST talking about how much my coworkers hate Musk... -Paul
[2022-11-18 02:13:38] - a: Uh.... it does sound vaguely familiar, because in theory this could be one way to "cheat" tax loss harvesting. Agreed on it being a huge pain in the ass, though, and I'm sure I never considered it when handling my IRA and non-IRA accounts. This is exactly why I hate our stupidly complicated tax code and wish we had something much simpler, even if it was slightly less "fair" -Paul
[2022-11-17 21:49:08] - paul/daniel: "According to Revenue Ruling 2008-5, IRA transactions can also trigger the wash-sale rule. When shares are sold in a non-retirement account and substantially identical shares are purchased in an IRA within 30 days, the investor cannot claim tax losses for the sale" ugh. did you know this? what a pain in the ass. i assume this doesn't apply to 401k, but jfc. ~a
[2022-11-16 14:30:01] - Paul: Evidence seems strongest for Ukranians using it as an anti-rocket tech, and it either missed entirely, or failed to fully self-destruct after impact and carried on towards Poland. I'm sure a more complete story will be told over the next week or so, but that's enough for now. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-16 14:19:17] - Apparently the running theory is that it wasn't a Russian attack, but maybe Ukrainians using Russian tech? -Paul
[2022-11-16 13:06:42] - The Poland explosion intel I'm seeing is still evolving, which isn't surprising. What has been surprising has been the relatively measured response from certain world leaders. No one is flying off the handle. That's gratifying. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-16 13:05:40] - I had to go looking for the Trump news last night when we were talking about it on-stream. I try not to let the sites curate their news to my tastes, but despite my best efforts, maybe they are? And I have very little interest in Trump, so maybe they know that? -- Xpovos
[2022-11-16 12:40:51] - mig: the top stories on Washington Post and CNN are the poland explosion, the UVA shooting, the Artemis launch, and Twitter. Most of the trump stuff seems further down. ~a
[2022-11-16 04:22:25] - xpovos: meanwhile we’re all ogling the Trump “I’m running” announcement. Priorities. - mig
[2022-11-15 20:36:14] - Now the rumor is that it was effectively shrapnel from a destroyed rocket that was likely initially targetting Lviv. That shifts it from a "mistake" to something completely unpredictable. Still bad, but much less likely to be the same kind of geopolitical nightmare. But this is still very, very early. Lots of details to come, I'm sure. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-15 20:21:51] - a: Perhaps, but the nature of Putin's posturing (unlikely to apologize, etc.) as well as the fact that this strike, even as a likely mistake, comes with fatalities, is bound to escalate it. Even if there's a willingness to accept that it was a mistake. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-15 20:07:23] - xpovos: without disagreeing with you (i agree), i'll say that this was probably a mistake. a "mistaken" hit on a minor us city would be bad, of course it would, but not exactly an "attack" on a minor us city. ~a
[2022-11-15 19:19:01] - Reports of a Russian missile strike that hit Poland, possibly instead of an intended Ukranian target, but with fatalities. Using the doctrine of "an attack on one is an attack on all," under NATO, this is like Russia strike hit a minor U.S. city. Hard to see how this doesn't go extremely badly. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-15 15:13:23] - aDaniel: To my point last night about why I often choose Zerg in our ranked games now: My win % for Zerg is 64%, Terran is 54%, Protoss is 46% -Paul
[2022-11-15 12:45:05] - Yeah, FTX going down is almost certainly the cause of the BTC price plunge. There'll be more. FTX is probably taking some other things down with it. This was collosal, and probably needs to include the word "fraud." The exchange vs. bank vs. non-centralized kind of feels unsquarable. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-12 15:11:51] - paul: you can translate usdt with other ether currencies without an exchange very safely. it's kinda a nice thing about usdt (and the like). downside is that only one company controls the creation and destruction of usdt, so in other ways it's almost worse. ~a
[2022-11-11 22:04:13] - A safe exchange kind of requires a certain degree of centralization, which also kind of defeats one of the main purposes of bitcoin. It's quite a dilemma. -Paul
[2022-11-11 17:09:38] - yeah sorry, i did know about that but . . . i just didn't put two and two together? i definitely read about the exchange going under but didn't realize it was related to the 20->16. on that note: there will be more. trusting an exchange is super dangerous (especially ones that aren't basically run like a bank). and it always will be. ~a
[2022-11-11 16:52:14] - a: Apparently some exchange(FTX) went under (is going under?) and is causing waves. -Daniel
[2022-11-11 16:38:15] - daniel: random fluctuations in my opinion. bitcoin is notoriously volatile. 20k -> 16k doesn't pique my interest. maybe if it hits 10k i'll start buying again? ~a
[2022-11-11 16:35:56] - a: I check bitcoin prices occasionally just to see where its at. What made it drop down recently to 16k? It had been steady at 20k for quite awhile? Anything specific or just random flucuations? -Daniel
[2022-11-10 18:11:43] - paul: yeah, the problem with my numbers is they can be affected greatly by seasonal BS (but also by short-term fluctuations). ~a
[2022-11-10 18:08:52] - a: Yeah, I get why we measure inflation YoY typically, but it's also kind of misleading. -Paul
[2022-11-10 18:07:46] - paul: yeah. it's because more recently the inflation is so much lower than it was. the past month *annualized* is 5%/year, the past three months *annualized* is 4%?! ~a
[2022-11-10 18:02:31] - a: Heh, sorry, busy day. Inflation is still high (>7% YoY?), but a little less than feared? So crazy how the market is reacting, though. My portfolio is up ~10% today right now. -Paul
[2022-11-10 16:23:51] - paul: no talk about inflation numbers. you only discuss inflation when it's high?
the stock market is up 4% so far. ~a[2022-11-09 17:56:28] - my predictions are still up in the air i guess? we don't know who won the senate or the house (i predicted the republicans would win both). kim reynolds won though, i was right there. i just now realize that i made three predictions, and all three were that republicans would win
~a[2022-11-09 17:13:30] - paul: it worked i suppose but the practice is quite repulsive particularly with the backdrop of democrats proclaiming people like gibbs as threats to democracy. - mig
[2022-11-09 17:03:05] - https://twitter.com/CourierNewsroom/status/1590363692541284352 The Dems working to remove Peter Meijer in favor of a more MAGA candidate worked out for them. We'll see if they regret it with Kari Lake... -Paul
[2022-11-09 14:26:59] - I'm kind of shocked Vance beat Ryan AND Fetterman beat Oz. I guess I forgot to make my own predictions but rest assured any ones I would've made would've probably been wrong.
-Paul[2022-11-09 13:39:03] - oof on that zeldin bet and wow abrams did actually concede. 0-2. - mig
[2022-11-09 05:03:00] - mig: what does it all mean? ~a
[2022-11-09 02:45:13] - mig: Hmmm, that would be the COVID election, right? I could see it being an outlier -Paul
[2022-11-08 22:55:53] - i'm just curious if these #s i read were accurate. In 2021, approximately 1.1 million early voters, with about 3.2 total votes for governor. Latter I'm sure is accurate, not sure about former. - mig
[2022-11-08 19:59:46] - paul: oz is also sort of a carpetbagger from what i understand, as he really doesn’t have any ties to PA aside from attending UPenn for a couple years. - mig
[2022-11-08 17:55:14] - xpovos: Got it. Super skeezy as a person. Does he have any super problematic views on the issues? It's almost blase to say a politician is super sketchy as a person at this point.
-Paul[2022-11-08 17:52:52] - His wife could have filled in. There’s precedent for that with Jean Carnahan in 2000. mig
[2022-11-08 17:51:58] - fetterman really should have withdrawn. I get he’s super popular among democrats and its not his fault he had a stroke, but he’s clearly unfit to serve. - mig
[2022-11-08 17:50:33] - xpovos: fetterman is also worrisome for different reasons. - mig
[2022-11-08 17:47:30] - Paul: It's hard to pinpoint exactly why Oz is so offensive, but the gist of it is: he is an incredibly skilled thoracic surgeon who stopped performing surgeries to become a celebrity hawking miracle/fad solutions to gullible people because that was easier and made him a lot more money. As a result he has advocated for treatments that are actively harmful to people. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-08 17:13:32] - Xpovos: I'm not sure what to think of that one. I've heard Oz is all sorts of horrible but don't really know why. I have, however, seen how absolutely incapable of communication Fetterman is and I would feel pretty sad about the state of who we're willing to vote for for Senate if he was able to win. I don't think it's improperly ableist to say a member of "the world's greatest deliberative body" has to be able to communicate. -Paul
[2022-11-08 17:09:09] - I think the Oz/Fetterman race is the most interesting one. It looks like Oz is pulling ahead here at the end, and that's both understandable and worrisome. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-08 17:07:58] - https://twitter.com/rudoren/status/1589703735571140611 "Every Republican who flipped a House seat in 2020 was either a woman or a person of color." Interesting. I wonder how many data points there are for that. I don't care quite enough to look.
Also interesting that we haven't heard more about the possibility of the US technically having its first Muslim senator (Oz). -Paul[2022-11-08 15:36:14] - crazy bet for me will be zeldin taking NY gov. - mig
[2022-11-08 15:35:26] - i will also bet stacey abrams will pretend she actually won ga governor again. - mig
[2022-11-08 15:34:52] - gop taking house is not much of a bet. senate i will bet goo takes over. - mig
[2022-11-08 15:34:09] - *because
[2022-11-08 15:30:16] - paul: democracy has failed but democracy didn’t give me the results i wanted. - mig
[2022-11-08 15:12:17] - mig: Kind of crazy how many people are unironically saying that if everybody doesn't vote for one (and only one) party, then Democracy dies. -Paul
[2022-11-08 14:23:15] - paul: republicans take the house and senate. incumbent governor of iowa (kim reynolds). ~a
[2022-11-08 02:48:46] - paul: perfect analogy! republicans are ICE cars and democrats are electric cars. the third party is public transportation/pedestrians. ~a
[2022-11-08 01:47:47] - https://twitter.com/politico/status/1589568452699820032 election denialism is back on the menu, boys! - mig
[2022-11-07 23:12:18] - Let's make some predictions for election day tomorrow! Any thoughts on which party wins control of the House? Senate? Various governor's mansions? Will Stacey Abrams concede if she loses? Is NY going to elect a Republican governor? -Paul
[2022-11-07 23:10:16] - title: Aw, I thought you were going to be about politics and the two major parties. -Paul
[2022-11-04 20:22:17] - a: any security/police footage would almost certainly be newsworthy. On top of that, I do have some questions on the police’s competency that could be answered with the footage. - mig
[2022-11-04 17:45:34] - a: I mean, I guess it depends on what it is? There's a fine line between protecting privacy and the police lying (especially if it is done to protect a politician's family). If he was snorting cocaine and high out of his mind, then for the police to suddenly get very privacy centric in this case would be very odd considering I imagine they wouldn't give the same consideration to a random poor person living in the projects. -Paul
[2022-11-04 17:11:52] - paul: maybe it could be that the privacy of the victim is being maintained? does the us NEED to know nancy pelosi's husband is fucking senile or a day-drinker? or closeted gay? or cheating on his wife? nancy pelosi has very little expectation of privacy, but i'm not sure that's also true about paul. anyways, i see zero evidence of a cover-up. ~a
[2022-11-04 17:05:52] - a: Suspicious that something is being covered up? Or something isn't quite as it seems? It just seems like really bizarre circumstances (lack of security) and behavior from all involved, along with some apparently conflicting and backtracking reporting from the cops. Occam's razor probably means it's just what it seems, but I just don't get how he gets smashed in the head with a hammer AFTER cops arrived like that. -Paul
[2022-11-04 16:10:42] - "more suspicious". suspicious of what? you've said you agree that depape was dangerous, and that paul pelosi was in serious danger. but you are also suspicious of paul's behavior. to what end? what's your theory? why do you think someone being attacked acting truly strange is at all truly strange? ~a
[2022-11-04 15:56:08] - a: "unclear ... what his mental state was" Yeah.... I don't know, that actually makes me more suspicious. It means even days later the cops there aren't quite sure why he was acting the way he was. Was he drunk? Senile? I can see why people might have initially thought he DID know Depape considering this AND calling him a friend. I dunno. -Paul
[2022-11-04 15:51:28] - paul: if you want to install xonotic (it's free), i sometimes play with ex-coworkers and . . . craig! there's supposed to maybe be a game on monday, i can scratch together some support to play if you were interested in joining. ~a
[2022-11-04 15:40:58] - i tend to think maybe 2, 3, or 4 because they hint at that between the lines: "unclear ... what his mental state was" ~a
[2022-11-04 15:38:22] - meh. one of these maybe: 1. he probably incorrectly thought he was now safe now that the cops were here. 2. he was in shock and didn't know what to do or what he was doing. 3. stockholm. 4. the fucker is old and who knows maybe a bit senile. he maybe had no idea the dude was an attacker. 5. something else equally unexpected, but understandable. ~a
[2022-11-04 15:36:30] - a: I'm less concerned with Depape's thinking (as I said before, I kind of think he was crazy so him doing crazy stuff almost makes sense). I'm confused why Paul Pelosi would walk away from cops TOWARDS the person who broke into his house. That doesn't make sense if he had already been attacked or not. -Paul
[2022-11-04 15:31:31] - paul: no, i think this actually makes a ton of sense: depape knew he had run out of time at that moment? he was ok biding his timing, but then when the cops arrived he had realized he was literally out of time. regardless, you're glossing over the fact that we don't know if pelosi had been attacked before the cops arrived or not: "it's unclear if pelosi was already injured or what his mental state was". ~a
[2022-11-04 15:27:34] - https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/pelosi-opened-door-for-officers-in-home-invasion-attack/3068428/ I honestly just have more questions now. Paul Pelosi opened the door and then walked away from cops towards the assailant and then he got attacked? So bizarre! -Paul
[2022-11-04 14:46:39] - paul: "Innkeeper or Motel Owner" if i'm required to answer your question seriously, i'd say that innkeeper doesn't have to own the property or the business. they can be an employee. motel owner typically will own one or both. ~a
[2022-11-04 14:45:16] - paul: "there are clear differences" you're saying there's a difference between librarian and logger? ~a
[2022-11-04 14:44:28] -
it's funny my progression of fps basically went: q3 -> ut2k3 -> open source q3. ~a[2022-11-04 14:44:04] - a: Agreed on it being thematic, but there are clear differences between a sculptor and a surgeon and at the risk of being accused of being transphobic, I would also say a clear difference between a chairwoman and chairman. I'm pretty sure the same person doing the same work at the same location could reasonably call themselves either an Innkeeper or Motel Owner, no? -Paul
[2022-11-04 14:42:41] - a: Oh man, so many good memories of that level. Unreal Tournament the peak of FPS games? -Paul
[2022-11-04 14:38:27] - paul: "what is the practical difference between an 'Innkeeper' and 'Motel Owner'", yes but i'm pretty sure that's THEIR point, a bunch of those pairs are clearly intentionally thematic: sculptor vs plastic surgion? chairwoman vs chairman? pediatrician vs urologist?
~a[2022-11-04 14:35:30] - paul: someone just posted this to /r/gaming
(title: "I think THIS actually takes the cake as the most balanced multiplayer level". i'm not sure this is right, but it is some fun nostalgia) ~a[2022-11-04 14:34:07] - Xpovos: I think there is something to that, because what is the practical difference between an "Innkeeper" and "Motel Owner" other than what they call themselves? -Paul
[2022-11-04 14:31:10] - But self-selection makes sense because the priests who call themselves "Catholic priests" not Priests (who are Catholic) are probably the ones I'd expect to be the most likely to be leaning Republican. So that fits. But it's a weird nuance. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-04 14:30:19] - That verdantlabs infographic was interesting. I wonder if it's somewhat self-reported, I imagine it has to be. Because I was shocked that the "Catholic priest" % Republican was so high. In general, Catholic priests are probably close to 50/50, and most would probably back Dems if there were a pro-life Dem. Bishops even moreso, as evidenced when you expand the "religion" category. -- Xpovos
[2022-11-04 13:24:37] - mig: That.... kind of seems super illegal. -Paul
[2022-11-03 22:58:15] - paul: yes, i'll be there. thanks for reminding me, i just rsvped. you know the story, really, i was just being jokes. i had "closing" last week where i sold my company. so, i'm not a business owner anymore. for 12 years i didn't have a boss! ~a
[2022-11-03 22:06:58] - That's a MAJOR yikes from me, dawg - mig
[2022-11-03 22:06:30] - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/02/lapd-captain-warned-cbs-about-les-moonves-sexual-assault-claim-ny-ag-says.html "I am a captain at LAPD Hollywood. Somebody walked in the station about a couple hours ago and made allegations against your boss regarding a sexual assault. It’s confidential, as you know, but call me, and I can give you some of the details and let you know what the allegation is before it goes to the media or gets out." - mig
[2022-11-03 22:04:45] - a: You coming to poker this weekend? If so, maybe I can ask about the business owner thing since I missed most of that convo. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:54:17] - "business owner", awwww, too soon.
~a[2022-11-03 21:53:25] - "petroleum geologist" seems like someone daniel probably works with. ~a
[2022-11-03 21:51:34] - a: https://today.yougov.com/topics/economy/explore/public_figure/Elon_Musk Fair, but those results seemed to match the few other sites I checked. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:50:34] - a: That's super neat (hopefully the data is reliable). Yeah, that engineer split is about what I would've expected. Surprised by professional poker player. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:49:54] - paul: yeah, i saw that link. i really think the morningconsult is better because it shows the methods and has a much bigger sample size (actually statistica makes me create an account to see the source. fuck that). ~a
[2022-11-03 21:48:27] - paul: look what i found. btw, *click* on engineering because it splits out information on "software engineering" too! ~a
[2022-11-03 21:46:08] - a: Does engineer skew liberal? Maybe software engineer, but I thought the stereotype was engineer was a more conservative major. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:45:31] - a: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impression-of-elon-musk/ -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:44:42] - "app". "app" will lean liberal for a lot of reasons. one is "engineer" and the other is "young". ~a
[2022-11-03 21:44:41] - a: The results I saw were actually a little more skewed towards favorable, but didn't look at it broken down by political party. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:44:00] - a: And I wouldn't necessarily think that a financial health app would over-index for liberal leaning. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:43:34] - (also a bit of a spoiler, but i'm surprised how he's has basically exactly a 50/50 favorability among all voters. that's fucking nuts how prescient your question was and how you and i both guessed it on the money). ~a
[2022-11-03 21:43:30] - a: ~10 years younger? Maybe more? I would also say they skew liberal? But it's also hard to tell, right? Because if I am being quiet.... maybe others are too? -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:42:16] - "that could play a role" how much younger? if you look at the age-based favorability lines it isn't a straight-shot in one direction or the other. it's liberal people (and women) that seem to dislike him overwhelmingly. ~a
[2022-11-03 21:39:52] - a: Yup, but I also know a bunch of people with almost cult-like devotion in the opposite direction. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:39:25] - And it made me wonder where that line is and what determines it. My work group skews younger and I assume more progressive, so that could play a role. But I don't know, this has been a constant for the past few places I've worked: Some 50/50 political positions are discussed openly and others.... are not. Is this because of where I live? The companies I work for? -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:37:15] - paul: "He's a polarizing figure" i was just thinking this. the people who dislike musk rarely dislike him only just a bit. ~a
[2022-11-03 21:36:39] - And then a bunch of people chimed in in the thread about how scammy he is and how terrible billionaires are and whatnot. All of which is totally fine. He's a polarizing figure an rich people are easy to hate! But it made me think: I would NEVER consider taking the other side of that issue on work slack. Heck, I would even think twice or thrice before posting anything positive about Musk independent of that thread. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:35:38] - paul: as you know, i also celebrate musk's hyperloop shutting down failure because he created it to fuck with hsr. ~a
[2022-11-03 21:34:32] - a: Part of the reason I was looking (and asked here) is because there is a #random slack channel at work where people discuss (shockingly) random stuff. Somebody today posted something about some hyperloop prototype shutting down and basically celebrating Musk's failure. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:32:21] - a: I was thinking US since he is likely more known here. I looked before I made any kind of guess, but I assumed going in it would be close, but lean more favorable. -Paul
[2022-11-03 21:12:32] - paul: do you have an answer? ~a
[2022-11-03 21:11:15] - paul: spoilers (probably you should answer paul's question before clicking) ~a
[2022-11-03 21:10:06] - paul: in the united states or the world? either way i'd guess it's close, but more unfavorable in the world. ~a
[2022-11-03 20:31:21] - a: I honestly have no idea. I suspect it varies greatly by the number of currently ongoing wars. Wouldn't at all surprise me if it swung from like 200 to 100 in a year or something. -Paul
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