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[2004-03-22 13:48:00] - pierce: you should go see dawn of the dead instead - travis

[2004-03-22 13:42:00] - Travis: set up a time this weekend to watch 28 Days Later!  The power of Scott Stapp compels you! - pierce

[2004-03-22 13:24:00] - Travis: yeah, I thought I'd communicated my understanding by promising to use the word "badabinging" as frequently as possible. - pierce

[2004-03-22 13:21:00] - pierce: hopefully you understood i was being sarcastic.  google should also return results for pages like that blog paul reads where the guy makes up words and never defines them - travis

[2004-03-22 13:10:00] - Pierce: Ah, ok. -Paul

[2004-03-22 13:07:00] - Paul: no, I do, but it comes in waves. - pierce

[2004-03-22 13:02:00] - Pierce: You really don't do any work, do you? -Paul

[2004-03-22 12:53:00] - Although one might argue that "badabing" is the gerund form of the word "badab". - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:52:00] - That was originally supposed to be an example of a non-word that gets google results, and I was just going to use "badabing" (inspired by vinnie's sopranos entry), but I figured that (1) there would be too many results, and (2) people might argue that it was, in fact, a word.  So I decided that the gerund form would be more interesting. - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:49:00] - Travis: by the same judgement (google result = is a word), "badabinging" is a word too.  One that I like.  Very very much.  I will use it whenever possible from this point forward. - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:47:00] - Pierce: Lest us see how overliterate and overperverted you are! -Paul

[2004-03-22 12:46:00] - well, i almost thought "overliterate" wasn't a word but it returns 21 pages on google so it must exist even if merriam-webster says otherwise - travis

[2004-03-22 12:42:00] - Incidentally, "lest" is a word that I like, but that people seem to avoid using lest they appear pretentious and overliterate. - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:42:00] - Paul: I'm wary of speculating, lest you all get some insight into how twisted I truly am. - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:40:00] - Travis: Post it to Mister Dreamer! -Paul

[2004-03-22 12:40:00] - Pierce: I was thinking about that too. They gave reasons for all the other new signs but conspicuously ignored that one. I'm clueless as to what dirty meaning it could have though. -Paul

[2004-03-22 12:39:00] - speaking of offensive language and the sign for "gay", i just found a bunch of old stories i wrote for english 12 and one of them is a parody of t2 where i made the terminators gay.  i haven't reread it, but i'm sure it's nice and distasteful - travis

[2004-03-22 12:37:00] - Incidentally, "and the sign for 'gay' is an upright thumb on one hand in the palm of the other, wobbling from side to side."... what is the significance of this?  I feel like it has a dirty interpretation, because of the "upright thumb" thing.  Should I just get my mind out of the gutter? - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:37:00] - What I find amusing is that I often think that the new signs are more insulting than the old ones. -paul

[2004-03-22 12:35:00] - Although, if they suggest "signonyms" for them that are less offensive, and just encourage people to use the new versions, then I don't have a problem with it. - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:33:00] - Modifying language so that people can't say offensive things is doubleplusungood! - pierce

[2004-03-22 12:32:00] - Paul: it took me almost 5 minutes to get what that article was saying.  I still don't know if it's trying to be funny. -- Xpovos

[2004-03-22 12:30:00] - "It's fun to say smock.  Smock, smock smock." -- Xpovos

[2004-03-22 11:40:00] - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/21/nsign21.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/21/ixhome.html Politically incorrect deaf signs. -Paul

[2004-03-22 11:35:00] - Vinnie: Mock mock mock. -Paul

[2004-03-22 11:35:00] - ha, and there's another one. not my day - vinnie

[2004-03-22 11:34:00] - well, considering that no one was mocked me yet, I wouldn't know - vinnie

[2004-03-22 11:02:00] - Vinnie: How does it feel to get mocked for mistyping? -Paul

[2004-03-22 11:02:00] - http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/21444.htm Viagra Monologues. -Paul

[2004-03-22 10:52:00] - the absence of "the" just ruined my joke. I'm off to cry in a corner - vinnie

[2004-03-22 10:51:00] - and that was "dumbest" "exchange" ever! - vinnie

[2004-03-22 09:38:00] - http://www.apple.co.jp/quicktime/trailers/casshern_large.html - travis

[2004-03-22 08:35:00] - Pierce: Sure, and Adrian was right, I normally don't frequent the message board on weekends because I'm still on dial-up at home. So my delay wasn't a reflection on me having to think about it, it was just that I didn't see your question until this morning. -Paul

[2004-03-22 05:17:00] - and that was the dumbest use of a hyperbole ever!  ~a

[2004-03-21 22:40:00] - wow, I think that was the least understandable use of quotes ever! - pierce

[2004-03-21 22:33:00] - do "people" sleep naked?  ~a

[2004-03-21 11:58:00] - pierce:  i don't think paul comes here on weekends.  ~a

[2004-03-21 01:11:00] - Vinnie: yay, finished Shield S2. - pierce

[2004-03-21 01:11:00] - Paul: should I take your silence as an answer? - pierce

[2004-03-19 16:47:00] - Paul: and lisa, for reference? - pierce

[2004-03-19 16:20:00] - Travis: I'll be there at 7:00 -Paul

[2004-03-19 16:19:00] - Pierce: I'm the one that hates you. You're always welcome to show up when others have been invited like this weekend, just for future reference. -Paul

[2004-03-19 14:24:00] - Assuming she'll let me. - pierce

[2004-03-19 14:23:00] - Vinnie: at lisa's - pierce

[2004-03-19 14:19:00] - heh, I was wondering why you weren't taping it yourself. how are you planning on watching it if your vcrs don't work? - vinnie

[2004-03-19 14:02:00] - Vinnie: thanks a bunch.  We now have exactly zero working vcrs at my house, and both of the nonworking ones have just eaten brand new tapes, so I'm glad I trusted it to you. - pierce

[2004-03-19 13:52:00] - pierce: yeah, no problem - vinnie

[2004-03-19 13:45:00] - Travis: don't worry, I hate you too.... errr, oh.  You don't hate me.  Never mind, scratch what I said! - pierce

[2004-03-19 13:44:00] - Travis: I actually can't make it, I have family in this weekend as it turns out.  Vinnie: can you handle one more Shield taping?  Sorry about the imposition... - pierce

[2004-03-19 13:36:00] - that's why i also suggested paul's place, since it's closer and that was probably his plan anyway, but i didn't wanna invite pierce to someone else's place (out of courtesy for paul, not because i hate pierce ) - travis

[2004-03-19 13:29:00] - will do (show up tonight, that is). i wouldn't mind going to your place after the movie though I suspect we'll want to eat sometime as well - vinnie

[2004-03-19 13:13:00] - s/and/can/

[2004-03-19 13:12:00] - what's the plan for after the movie tomorrow?  if people wanted, we could go to my place so pierce and exchange DVDs (or pierce could go to paul's, but paul didn't invite him, so i'm not going to do it for him) - travis

[2004-03-19 13:11:00] - paul/aaron/vinnie: well, it looks like everything will be back to normal here at work, so i'll say go ahead and show up around 7:00 - travis

[2004-03-19 13:10:00] - Vinnie: That would be very upbeat and fun. - aaron

[2004-03-19 12:47:00] - except that it's "i'm not the one"! can you imagine a rap song based on the verses of "touch and go"? - vinnie

[2004-03-19 12:30:00] - Hehe. Amazon 2010: If you liked single #394442 LIL BOW WOW: THANK YOU our polyphonic music algorithm detects similar melodic patterns in album #207669 THE CARS: TOUCH AND GO - aaron

[2004-03-19 11:12:00] - interesting link - vinnie

[2004-03-19 11:12:00] - yes, I think melody copyright is implicit in song copyright. here's an intering link on melody matching http://www.musicfinland.com/fmq/articles/lost_melody.html - vinnie

[2004-03-19 11:01:00] - vinnie: yeah - i realized as i was typing it. Does U2 have a copyright on the melody to "numb"? it must be done case by case. - aaron

[2004-03-19 10:58:00] - but yeah, prior cases set precedent - vinnie

[2004-03-19 10:58:00] - i think they still do it case by case, but it hasn't come up for a while - vinnie

[2004-03-19 10:51:00] - vinnie: I guess for music though, they have some legal precedent set for what is "similarity". Like they might legally define a melody as 8 notes , or 2 measures of a song - aaron

[2004-03-19 10:48:00] - vinnie: there were more similarities, but it was just between underworld's world and white wolf's world, not any specific book/novel - travis

[2004-03-19 10:42:00] - even if there's not, there's still the issue of "royalty" for the likeness, even if there's no direct sampling - vinnie

[2004-03-19 10:41:00] - the difference between the two is that the RIAA has an established set of laws dealing with that kind of thing. The Kidzbop people still have to pay royalties for the songs, just not for the recordings since they make them themselves. i don't know if there's a set of laws like that for pictures - vinnie

[2004-03-19 10:40:00] - Another example might be the Star Wars films that are made by fans. A lot of the time, the CG is almost indistinguishable from the actual movies, it's so good. -Paul

[2004-03-19 10:36:00] - Well yeah, but then it's artwork, so I mean it's not something the company directly created anymore, you know? It's like marketing "Kidz Bop" versus just marketing a CD with pirated pop music on it - aaron

[2004-03-19 10:30:00] - yeah, it's not too different really. good artists can replicate things like that - vinnie

[2004-03-19 10:29:00] - Although actually the two are really similar the more I think about it. - aaron

[2004-03-19 10:28:00] - Paul: I think i can see a difference between artwork/fanfiction and just getting screen capturing episodes - aaron

[2004-03-19 10:20:00] - Paramount came down hard on a bunch of Star Trek fansites for using copyrighted images and such and caught flack for ruining their fanbase but it's hard to blame them when it can work against you in later legal proceedings. -Paul

[2004-03-19 10:18:00] - Aaron: It depends, there are a lot of times when it is good business to do that. Like Vinnie said, it also protects you from bigger problems later on. -Paul

[2004-03-19 10:12:00] - if was just the concept of werewolf falling in love with vampire, then that's hilarious they sued. romeo and juliet gets remade like 20 times a year. reminds me of a case where this one music group sued another for an unlicensed sample, when they had in fact taken the sample from someone else unlicensed - vinnie

[2004-03-19 10:10:00] - i thought there were more details in common than that, but then I don't remember it well - vinnie

[2004-03-19 09:40:00] - vinnie: didn't see this "didn't underworld rip off some book anyway?" before: white wolf claimed underworld ripped off some novel they wrote, but the similarity was the romance story, which was really just romeo and juliet anyway - travis

[2004-03-19 09:38:00] - at least according to this http://members.tripod.com/~AvatarHR/legalfaq.html#part3 - vinnie

[2004-03-19 09:37:00] - another reason to stamp out for-profit drawings, even if it may very well help the company, is so that a precedent isn't set. otherwise it's harder to stamp out the big-time people later - vinnie

[2004-03-18 18:49:00] - And with respect to for-profit ventures like the one travis proposed, the original company justifiable sees an opportunity for a quick buck. - pierce

[2004-03-18 18:47:00] - Aaron: that's why companies are usually very selective about who they go after; an eight-year-old drawing pokemon is no big deal, but if a shitty pokemon drawing starts getting treated as if it were from the official source, then it degrades the perceived quality of pokemon as a whole. - pierce

[2004-03-18 18:09:00] - Even from an evil-hearted lawyer standpoint I think it makes way more logical/lawyerical sense to let the kittens keep their.... yarn. - aaron

[2004-03-18 18:09:00] - paul: You think it's good business to tell an 8-year old kid they can't draw pokemon anymore? Or heck - to tell a 22-year old illustrator they can't sell Tenchi fan-pictures at the next otakon? - aaron

[2004-03-18 17:45:00] - Although that doesn't explain how all those cartoon porn sites stay in business. -Paul

[2004-03-18 17:44:00] - Aaron: One thing to point out is that Nintendo Power is owned by NIntendo (I think) and therefore it's all fine. I suspect that if you started posting your pictures of Samus online and got enough traffic, you would hear from their lawyers. -Paul

[2004-03-18 17:40:00] - Although yeah, legally I don't know if I'm allowed to say 'Samus' without following it with some kind of HTML tag, &tm; or something.... - aaron

[2004-03-18 17:39:00] - celtic34: fair enough, it is definitely subjective. Although I mean when's the last time a company like Nintendo prosecuted someone for sending their unauthorized drawings of Samus into Nintendo Power, you know? In general stuff like that helps business, so companies welcome it - aaron

[2004-03-18 17:32:00] - Aaron: thus, the law focuses more on whether you're diluting the source material in question; and if you can prove a link between them, you can almost always prove dilution. - pierce

[2004-03-18 17:31:00] - Aaron: I agree, but unfortunately "hurting" is subjective enough that anyone could say it just for the purposes of a lawsuit.  You could theoretically be "hurting" the franchise by not staying true to its creators' vision (however they define it) - pierce

[2004-03-18 17:31:00] - Aaron: What's logically ok and legally ok are different things though. -Paul

[2004-03-18 17:30:00] - Like i don't know - writing further fiction about how vampires and werewolves could concievably interact in the underworld universe could concievably help sales of underworld tickets, so i think it's ok to set something in the underworld universe - aaron

[2004-03-18 17:28:00] - Personally i think it's ok as long as you're not hurting the original franchise. - aaron

[2004-03-18 17:13:00] - Travis: yes (as long as you are clearly not derivative of the WW/D&D universes), although with the release of underworld you'd be hard-pressed to convince anyone that you had original material. - pierce

[2004-03-18 17:05:00] - pierce: i lost what your opinion was: you think having another story about combining vamps and weres would be okay because those two archetypes are so broadly known it's not infringing on anyone's rights? - travis

[2004-03-18 16:07:00] - yeah, sounds fine with me too although I don't want to play too late on saturday. I'll check my mail and the board often tomorrow - vinnie

[2004-03-18 15:58:00] - Travis: I check email religiously, although I check less often when off of work. I'll make sure to check email and here tomorrow for updates though. Saturday night FF:CC is fine by me. -Paul

[2004-03-18 15:58:00] - friday is cool. we can do email and message board to get the time down. - aaron

[2004-03-18 15:54:00] - aaron/vinnie/paul: i'm not sure when i'll be able to leave work tomorrow, so will you all be alert enough tomorrow to check here or email when i can update? or would it be okay to just change FF:CC to saturday night? - travis

[2004-03-18 15:38:00] - Aaraul: Yes, I saw that episode and that irony is what amused my about the statement.  So I guess it's not "inexplicably" amusing after all. - pierce

[2004-03-18 15:37:00] - pierce: Did you see the south park where Mr. Garrison is sent to a tolerance camp, because he is clearly intolerant of his own homosexual behavior? - aaron

[2004-03-18 15:36:00] - Pierce: Because of the awkward grammar or because of the situation? -Paul

[2004-03-18 15:35:00] - "it was unlikely that she would be charged herself with a hate crime."  Heh.  I find this statement inexplicably amusing. - pierce

[2004-03-18 15:29:00] - http://www.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0%2C1413%2C203%25257E21481%25257E2024697%2C00.html Professor fakes hate crime. -Paul

[2004-03-18 15:29:00] - well, the thing is like this: i want to get readers familiar with x things before a big scene that comes up. the bits don't need to be explained before that scene, but if I wait, I have to explain everything at once and lose momentum. so I'm inserting things earlier that I don't have to just to justify spacing out the explanation - vinnie

[2004-03-18 15:26:00] - Advance the story.  The bits you need to explain should be come self-evident. -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 15:20:00] - i don't think writers do no explaining. I think they just find subtle ways of working it in - vinnie

[2004-03-18 15:19:00] - or rather, doing some explaining and leaving some things unexplained - vinnie

[2004-03-18 15:18:00] - i'm running into very similar problems. I tried letting the reader figure everything out and it seemed like it would be too confusing. I tried the opposite and it was way too boring. so now I'm explaining things and advancing story simultaneously - vinnie

[2004-03-18 15:14:00] - Travis: my experience with writing within a worldview has been very problematic. Generally even if a lot of people know, enough won't that it's hindersome.  The best solution, or at least the one the pros use the most, seems to be assuming the reader knows the world and then writing from there, by the end, the reader -does- know. --Xpovos

[2004-03-18 14:40:00] - I like my idea for a "banshquatch", though, mostly because it'd be a fun word to say. - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:39:00] - Travis: no, I understood about the blending.  But Underworld was able to omit a lot of the necessary, boring, background details for that story because everyone already knows what vampires and werewolves are already. - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:37:00] - "combining" i meant the act of creating a creature the was a blend of the two (what i dubbed "werevamps" in my notes), not just including them in the same story, sorry for being unclear - travis

[2004-03-18 14:36:00] - They're ubiquitous, you can say "vampire" in a story and every one of your readers is guaranteed to understand what you're talking about for all intents and purposes.  Try that with "banshee" and "sasquatch", and you won't be nearly as successful. - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:36:00] - Travis: unfortunately, the "combining" aspect of Underworld was so palatable because there have been so many werewolf stories, and even more vampire stories, that those creatures have evolved beyond "monster" into "archetype". - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:35:00] - didn't underworld rip off some book anyway? - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:35:00] - r.a. salvatore works kinda like that.  he used drizzt and the forgotten realms to establish his name, then began his own series and worlds - travis

[2004-03-18 14:35:00] - pierce: it would pay the bills, though kurt vonnegut talked about writing for magazines in the intro to a book that collected his short stories, and he just viewed them as easy pieces that helped finance his real writing in his novels - travis

[2004-03-18 14:33:00] - and my main concern with using vampires and werewolves in that story is the combining aspect, which was a big part of the underworld story that i had developed junior year of college (so well before i had ever could have heard about underworld) - travis

[2004-03-18 14:32:00] - Travis: well that's fine then, though I think you may lose a lot of credibility doing that.  I wince every time I'm in Barnes & Noble and I see all the Halo/Star Trek/Star Wars "official" fiction.  Just my personal opinion, though. - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:30:00] - Ugh, "genericness" is an awful word.  Why can't it be "genericity" or something. - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:30:00] - pierce: if i did plan to make money of stories written in those worlds, i'd attempt to go through the companies and make it an established story in their mythos - travis

[2004-03-18 14:30:00] - On the other hand, if you set your werewolf story using the WW clans or whatever, then you're bound by their storylines because they've lost all genericness. - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:29:00] - another problem with using an established world is that you have to keep up to date on it, and since all my info on forgotten realms is from the old 2nd edition, it would be out of date - travis

[2004-03-18 14:29:00] - Vinnie: fair enough about the preexisting archetypes.  But the "werewolf" and "vampire" concepts are generic enough as to be flexible.  Besides, different incarnations of them haven't even all followed the same basic rules (I don't hear too much about garlic anymore, for example). - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:27:00] - I don't exactly see it that way. using pre-existing fictional beings allowed underworld to dispense with explanations and probably was the better for it. your own world can be cumbersome to describe and explain - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:24:00] - Travis: secondly, if you use their world then you're limited by their limitations.  If you're serious about it, then the "time consuming" aspect shouldn't be a problem. - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:23:00] - ha, true enough - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:23:00] - Travis: I think it's fine to use creatures like Vampires and Werewolves as long as you don't start using the same clan names or stuff. -Paul

[2004-03-18 14:22:00] - Travis: for one, don't speculate on a public forum about its basis in a copyrighted world if you plan to make money off it.  If the WW people decide your world is too close to theirs, then they can use it as evidence in a lawsuit. </justified_paranoia> - pierce

[2004-03-18 14:22:00] - xpovos is right though. if you aren't considering this for monetary reasons I don't foresee any problems at all, no matter how much of their world you borrow. it'd be seen as a fanfic - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:21:00] - if your book just had vampires and werewolves I think you'd be ok. it depends how many of the ww or d&d rules you follow or how many place names or reference and things like that - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:19:00] - it might be a problem, especially since I assume there are books with the WW or D&D name that take place in those worlds? if they have already expanded into the realm of books it may be a problem - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:17:00] - Travis: depends on your audience and how popular you get.  Think Underworld, which I view as fan-fic gone horribly wrong. --Xpovos

[2004-03-18 14:17:00] - the D&D one is simple enough to change to generic fantasy, but then i have to create a whole world on my own instead of using an established one (which would be fun, but much more time consuming) - travis

[2004-03-18 14:16:00] - my thought right now is to alter the white wolf enough (attempt to drop vampires and werewovles, basically) especially since my story was the same as underworld, at least concerning the vampire/werewolf combo idea - travis

[2004-03-18 14:15:00] - okay, so i have some ideas for longer stories.  problem is they're both based off old RPG campaign outlines (white wolf and D&D).  how much of a problem do you think it is to write something in an existing, copyrighted world? - travis

[2004-03-18 14:11:00] - that was in reference to paul's comment - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:11:00] - same with mine - vinnie

[2004-03-18 14:11:00] - cursed "enter" button - travis

[2004-03-18 14:11:00] - vinnie: i mainly incorporate the typo corrections so it won't be a stumbling block for future readers.  i only follow other corrections if i agree, and then i choose how to fix them, then include the fix in the post to see how future readers react

[2004-03-18 14:07:00] - Travis: My website is pretty handy for getting around to everywhere you need. -Paul

[2004-03-18 14:05:00] - Travis: that's up to Adrian.  Or you could use my site to get around to everyone elses... nah. I don't have -everyone- linke, but we've got a pretty solid network of interconnections... -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 14:03:00] - travis: you made corrections. I hope you're not doing them because you feel you're obligated to use our suggestions. i don't care one way or the other, I'm not planning to read a piece again unless you make a major rewrite (or I get bored). just keep our suggestions in mind for the future - vinnie

[2004-03-18 13:51:00] - Travis: happy now? I hadn't seen the new entry, sorry about the delay.  Good work. - pierce

[2004-03-18 13:48:00] - Xpovos: you need adrian to list your site at the bottom, otherwise i keep having to get to it through everybody else's page - travis

[2004-03-18 13:29:00] - Posted a new album review, if anyone cares -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 13:28:00] - pierce: just wondering, did you ever read the last story i posted on my site?  just curious since you had commented on all the previous ones - travis

[2004-03-18 13:12:00] - If you're bored, you could always continue the potty humor on my new journal entry if you'd like. - pierce

[2004-03-18 13:08:00] - Travis: I know, it's hell, isn't it? That's why I keep messing around with that web page template. It keeps me busy. -Paul

[2004-03-18 13:02:00] - yeah, you try being bored at work for another 5 hours - travis

[2004-03-18 12:59:00] - Xpovos: Says you? The master of silly statements? -Paul

[2004-03-18 12:58:00] - Right, this is far too silly. -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 12:53:00] - If you know what I mean... *nudge nudge* - pierce

[2004-03-18 12:49:00] - Travis: It's easy to go back in time when you have two coupled Mr. Fusions. - pierce

[2004-03-18 12:47:00] - and saying "pull it off" and "bobbit" in the same sentence is as bad as pierce's "dump" comment - travis

[2004-03-18 12:47:00] - Xpovos: if nothing else, britney spears could get a job stripping, she does that enough in her vidoes already - travis

[2004-03-18 12:46:00] - Xpovos: it might be struck down fast enough, but would it have the requisite 1.21 gigawatts necessary for time travel? - travis

[2004-03-18 12:45:00] - Paul: that's the point. --Xpovos

[2004-03-18 12:44:00] - Legalizing lesbian marriage would lead us on a direct path to legalizing gay marriage and beastiality. -Paul

[2004-03-18 12:39:00] - Aaron: The only problem with trying to legalize lesbian marriage without legalizing gay marriage is that it would get struck down by the courts so fast it might well go back in time. So knowing that, they don't even try.  Stereo-type logic-wise, though, it's a good idea. --Xpovos

[2004-03-18 12:37:00] - Pravis: I'm so confused. -Paul

[2004-03-18 12:37:00] - Vinnie: No, I didn't see Crossroads, I did see previews though, and her acting was bad enough in that.  Travis: noted, and agreed, but still I dunno if she can pull it off.  But hey, if John Bobbit can... -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 12:31:00] - pierce: oh, i get it, "inflammatory for you" didn't mean what you said was something that would rile me up, just something that would rile somebody up and get an argument going, i gotcha, i'm just slow - travis

[2004-03-18 12:26:00] - Travis: I know... no offense taken. - pierce

[2004-03-18 12:05:00] - hehe, i never noticed the link between "saying something inflammatory" and "flamewar".  btw, i was just joking about paul's comment and my response to your complaint was a general statement, not a personal attack or anything - travis

[2004-03-18 12:03:00] - "dump that frustration". i just laughed really loud reading that, but thankfully no one else is around here today - vinnie

[2004-03-18 12:00:00] - Travis: apparently, I said something inflammatory for you, so you won't miss yet another flamewar.  You can thank me later. - pierce

[2004-03-18 11:51:00] - Travis: Yeah, I realized it as soon as I posted it. The problem was I only copied over half of Pierce's original message without realizing I was leaving out the ending parenthesis. -Paul

[2004-03-18 11:46:00] - sorta ironic that i put another typo in that sentence - travis

[2004-03-18 11:45:00] - Paul: and in my workplace, it's unacceptable to being paranthesis and never end them (i know i do it a lot, too, probably) - travis

[2004-03-18 11:42:00] - Pierce: I don't know what the standard is where you work, but that sentence (esp. the mention of urine and follow up use of dump would not be acceptable in my workplace. -Paul

[2004-03-18 11:25:00] - hmmm, perhaps that was an inappropriate time to use the term "dump". - pierce

[2004-03-18 11:24:00] - sorry to gross you all out, but I had to dump that frustration. - pierce

[2004-03-18 11:24:00] - gah.  wtf is the matter with people?  one of the toilet seats here has urine ALL over it. - pierce

[2004-03-18 10:59:00] - and what's the deal with new england? - vinnie

[2004-03-18 10:53:00] - into. is it a preposition? is it a conjunction? it's such a mystery! - aaron

[2004-03-18 10:46:00] - and the word 'into' - vinnie

[2004-03-18 10:45:00] - well what's funny is aaron used slippery slope as a verb - vinnie

[2004-03-18 10:44:00] - xpovos: you actually saw crossroads or are you going on reviews? just curious - I wouldn't see crossroads just so I could call her a bad actress - vinnie

[2004-03-18 10:36:00] - Xpovos: you have to be a good actor to be OK in porn?  you have to be able to act, but not in the same way as a regular actor - travis

[2004-03-18 10:31:00] - Why does combining the term slippery slope and gays seem funny to me? -Paul

[2004-03-18 10:30:00] - xpovos: so maybe they should push for lesbian marriage first - then try and slippery slope the gays into it - aaron

[2004-03-18 10:28:00] - Travis: So long as she's a better actor than her movie debut (Crossroads?) indicated, she could probably do OK in porn.  Maybe she'd even get that opportunity to go with Jenna that she apparantly always wanted -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 10:26:00] - Paul: I think that's because of the stereotype that women are more into the emotion while men are more into the physics, combined with the stereotype of men being gay homophobes, but lesbian homophiles. -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 10:14:00] - Vinnie: But it really does look like some mutant St. Patrick's day website instead of a serious everyday one. -Paul

[2004-03-18 10:14:00] - Travis: I think it's funny (although probably not inaccurate) that men are always assumed to be against gay marriage while women are assumed to be fine with it. -Paul

[2004-03-18 10:11:00] - http://www.sinfest.net/comics/sf20040318.gif the end of the gay marriage debate - travis

[2004-03-18 10:11:00] - my journal has three shades of blue, after all - vinnie

[2004-03-18 10:10:00] - nothing wrong with green overload as long as you have some contrast. don't make it all dark green or anything - vinnie

[2004-03-18 09:56:00] - Travis: Because we hate you. Say something inflammatory if you want to start a debate. -Paul

[2004-03-18 09:55:00] - why did you guys have your huge debate on tuesday when i had work to do all day, but then yesterday and probably today there's no activity here? - travis

[2004-03-18 09:46:00] - My current problem is that I have like 4 shades of green for the current layout and while I think it looks good, it's a little bit of green overload. -Paul

[2004-03-18 09:35:00] - Aaron: Because I decided to just edit a seperate HTML file instead of going through the motions of changing my journal. -Paul

[2004-03-18 09:28:00] - Xpovos: don't really care about britney, but it was funny that the article suggested she could work in porn after her career falls apart (of course, that article is from a couple years ago, in between her third and fourth albums) - travis

[2004-03-18 09:20:00] - I wouldn't say I'm "worried", my primary concern is that I just don't like the way white-on-black looks compared to black-on-white... the ancillary issue is that it doesn't look like a work-related page (though I still read miguel's journal) - pierce

[2004-03-18 09:19:00] - jenna jameson clothed ("the large image that crosses the two pages") isn't safe for work? and the film frame didn't have any nudity... and i didn't explictly say "safe for work" i just said "nothing explicit" since some people are offended by anything porn related at all - travis

[2004-03-18 09:10:00] - Pierce: Of course, you're also worried about looking at webpages that have a black background at work, so I think our standards are a bit different. -Paul

[2004-03-18 00:13:00] - Pierce: I didn't expect you to.  Travis: why do we care about britney spears?  Britney Skye... now you're talking -- Xpovos

[2004-03-18 00:08:00] - Travis: I don't know what the standard is where you work, but that image (esp. the large image that crosses the two pages, and the film frame that is under "digs XXX-rated", would not be acceptable in my workplace.  I'm glad I looked at it from home (though your warning about "lesbian porn" would've kept me from looking at work too) - pierce

[2004-03-18 00:04:00] - Paul: I didn't comment on andrew's because I don't read andrew's (no offense, andrew) - pierce

[2004-03-17 20:30:00] - http://www.angryangel.com/britney/images/globestoryL.jpg  (nothing explicit, but it has "lesbian porn" in big letters at the top) - travis

[2004-03-17 19:17:00] - Travis: I have such geek-envy right now. -- Xpovos

[2004-03-17 19:14:00] - Paul: Obviously no-one commented on mine because it's ugly and hard to read. Perfect. -- Xpovos

[2004-03-17 19:04:00] - i just saw a person with the license plate "CGI-B1N" - travis

[2004-03-17 18:03:00] - Paul: What happened to the messy midweek web page you promised us anyway you said things would be messy! - aaron

[2004-03-17 17:54:00] - "Well, I would show you guys what I had in mind but I can't figure out how exactly to do that right now." Gosh, that was me. I just now realized I didn't sign it. -Paul

[2004-03-17 17:54:00] - Interesting that people said that Miguel's journal is a good example of light text on dark background but nobody mentioned Andrew's... -Paul

[2004-03-17 17:45:00] - that hundredth email isn't as special as i thought it would be given the significance of the number - travis

[2004-03-17 16:37:00] - ooo 100 - aaron

[2004-03-17 16:13:00] - http://homestarrunner.com/sbemailahundred.html another usage of the word "svelte", vinnie. - pierce

[2004-03-17 16:02:00] - Well, I would show you guys what I had in mind but I can't figure out how exactly to do that right now.

[2004-03-17 15:55:00] - paul: i'm not saying you can't do it, just that it's one of a few factors in the readability of a page. like I said, Miguel's looks fine with white on black - vinnie

[2004-03-17 15:48:00] - Although another reson I prefer black-on-white-or-grey is that it looks a lot less suspiscious at work. - pierce

[2004-03-17 15:47:00] - Paul: even if you shift away from black just a little bit, like #333333 or something, it'll be easier on the eyes. - pierce

[2004-03-17 15:44:00] - Vinnie+Pierce: But my new web-page design looks so much better with a black background -Paul

[2004-03-17 15:43:00] - I don't usually like white on black, but I think it works in Miguel's journal, for example, because he has some red and green to break the monotony and because he uses verdana, which I think is the most readable font. white on black with times (that's what you use, right?) would probably be unacceptable to me - vinnie

[2004-03-17 15:31:00] - Heh.  I vote no on white-on-black (interesting coloration on that post) - pierce

[2004-03-17 15:30:00] - Paul: I vote no on white-on-black

[2004-03-17 15:25:00] - Ok, show of hands, is white text on a black background acceptable for a webpage with a decent amount of text or is it too much of an eye-strain? -Paul

[2004-03-17 15:21:00] - no I'm watching S3, although yesterday I got pulled away to play a game of Top Spin, so I'll have to watch the rest of the ep tonight. and don't forget to bring Futurama as well, for said exchange - vinnie

[2004-03-17 14:50:00] - Vinnie: so are you not watching Shield S3, or were you about to watch it and almost forgot to tape it as well? - pierce

[2004-03-17 14:50:00] - Well, you do work like across the street from Lisa's apartment... I'm sure we could work out an exchange there (though it would also make sense to exchange it at a get together at Travis's, since then I could also give back Alias 2 and get Mr. Show 3. - pierce

[2004-03-17 14:48:00] - I remembered at like 9:59 yesterday to tape the Shield for you. hopefully I can get the tape to you before I have to remember again - vinnie

[2004-03-17 14:39:00] - Yay!  For Fri: The Shield, Season 2, Discs 3 and 4! - pierce

[2004-03-17 14:24:00] - while doom was being made, the artist got ahead of the tech guys, so while they had no work they started making a comic (the one in the link isn't it) i wonder how that one turned out - travis

[2004-03-17 14:17:00] - that was doom? it's like a hundred bruce campbell lines thrown together without a hint of irony. and they used the "now we're cooking with ___" construct twice in 16 pages! - vinnie

[2004-03-17 14:03:00] - Travis: When will people learn not to make comic books out of everything? -Paul

[2004-03-17 13:48:00] - andand  

[2004-03-17 13:48:00] - paulandandrewandpierce:  thanks for the recommendations  ~a

[2004-03-17 13:47:00] - oh, i forgot to mention that their online billpay is very expensive.  ~a

[2004-03-17 13:46:00] - aaron:  i don't use watchakovie.  i use bb&t.  their webpage (sucks and) doesn't now nor ever will support any browser that wasn't released by microsoft.  ~a

[2004-03-17 13:29:00] - http://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/  dear god, that's just horrible (don't worry, it's SFW) - travis

[2004-03-17 13:23:00] - I'm part of the Navy Federal Credit Union, and if you're eligible, I strongly advise you to join.  -- Xpovos

[2004-03-17 13:13:00] - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4541606/ Guinness bubbles DO sink. -Paul

[2004-03-17 12:59:00] - I've been happy with BoA, and their online bill pay is free as far as I know... but one shitty thing is that full account managment with Quicken is a for-pay service (which is ridiculous because you're saving them teller time).  Ah well. - pierce

[2004-03-17 11:47:00] - a: You might try Bank of America. They have some plan where you direct deposit your money into an account and limit your number of teller interactions and you get bunches of free stuff. Not sure if online bill pay is one of them, though. -Paul

[2004-03-17 11:44:00] - a: what's wrong with watchakovie? - aaron

[2004-03-17 11:41:00] - i need a new bank.  does anybody have free online billpay and/or does anybody really like their bank for some reason?  ~a

[2004-03-17 11:17:00] - Travis: Acknowledged. -Paul

[2004-03-17 11:15:00] - i know, i was just commenting on the synchronicity of you posting that article and the book i just read - travis

[2004-03-17 10:59:00] - Travis: There are tons of examples everywhere. Ireland/England. Israel/Arab countries. India/Pakistan. China/Japan. Germany/Russia. The list goes on and on. -Paul

[2004-03-17 10:57:00] - Trannie: That sentence is pretty amusing if you think I was talking about Bill Clinton. -Paul

[2004-03-17 10:56:00] - Travis: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/ Kerry has been a senator since 1982 I believe. I think that Senator Kerry is just as fictitious as Senator Kelly, though. -Paul

[2004-03-17 10:56:00] - Paul: about the WND article, in the book i just finished there was a scene with a debate between an Irish lady and a member of the SAS, where they went back and forth citing examples of bad stuff the other side had done to them - travis

[2004-03-17 10:54:00] - yeah, same with me. i immediately thought of clinton - vinnie

[2004-03-17 10:53:00] - d'oh "talking about some guy" - travis

[2004-03-17 10:52:00] - Paul: your comment made me think you were talking some guy named "Bill" - travis

[2004-03-17 10:51:00] - pierce: since you're done with alias season 2, i still have vinnie's mr. show season 3 for you - travis

[2004-03-17 10:50:00] - how long ago did kerry become a senator?  i'm rereading the dark phoenix saga and they mention a senator kerry being in the hellfire club - travis

[2004-03-17 10:41:00] - Pierce: Start watching B5 then, I highly recommend it. -Paul

[2004-03-17 10:41:00] - http://www.gazette.net/200411/montgomerycty/state/205884-1.html Bill would remove force from definition of rape. -Paul

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