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[2004-05-21 09:16:12] - pierce: aesthetically pleasing eh? ^_^ -dave

[2004-05-21 09:14:50] - I like Julia Stiles and Selma Blair (although I think Selma Blair needs to gain like twenty pounds), so A Guy Thing was very aesthetically pleasing to me. - pierce

[2004-05-21 09:14:32] - Sorry I had to break up my posts, for some reason pasting wouldnt work.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.  -Ricky

[2004-05-21 09:12:47] - Dave: I don't equate giving money with level of dedication. Probably why I don't have a girlfriend. -Paul

[2004-05-21 09:11:56] - paul: some kinda fan you are -dave

[2004-05-21 09:10:18] - from a different partition i mean a windows one. - mig

[2004-05-21 09:10:03] - ricky:  are you using the dlls from a different partition or the emulated ones from that wine comes with? - mig

[2004-05-21 09:08:54] - Sorry I had to break up my posts, for some reason pasting wouldnt work.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.  -Ricky

[2004-05-21 09:08:15] - Dave: Yeah, I try not to see a movie just because there is a pretty girl in it. Seems kinda wrong to have to pay money just to see one. -Paul

[2004-05-21 09:08:05] - [root@localhost System]# regsvr32 ChilkatXml.dll err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"x11drv.dll": libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv' Dll ChilkatXml.dll not found

[2004-05-21 09:06:31] - My linux complexities continue.  I am just trying to register a couple dlls using wine.  I need them so I can run a graphical program we made at work.  When I call regsvr32 on the files I get the following error:

[2004-05-21 09:04:00] - paul: Yeah, but somehow you didn't go with us when Dewey, I and, umm,Travis(?) went to see it? -dave

[2004-05-21 09:00:21] - Dave: Wasn't there that one movie with Jason Lee and Julia Stiles. A Guy Thing or something? I remember remarking that she was really beautiful when those commercials came on. -Paul

[2004-05-21 08:59:34] - Dave: Ouch, not much fun at all? -Paul

[2004-05-21 08:57:08] - ooo, I have 666 of the last 10k posts -dave

[2004-05-21 08:55:39] - paul: err, fan -dave

[2004-05-21 08:54:57] - paul: wow, really? How bizarre, I don't remember you being much of a fun at all. Guess I just missed it ^_^ -dave

[2004-05-21 08:53:53] - Dave: Currently, and in terms of pure beauty, I would say probably better. I remember not too long ago somebody asked me who I thought was the most beautiful actress in Hollywood and Julia Stiles was the name I came up with. -Paul

[2004-05-21 08:49:51] - paul: better or worse than Natalie Portman? ^_^ -dave

[2004-05-21 08:26:09] - Dave: Oh, of course. I think she's ones of the purely more beautiful actresses in hollywood right now. -Paul

[2004-05-21 08:16:35] - paul: You a Julia Stiles fan? Hadn't thought you were. -dave

[2004-05-21 08:11:32] - Dave: Re: HOT lanes. I don't like em, but I might prefer them to the current HOV lanes. -Paul

[2004-05-21 08:10:24] - Dave: I'm not sure if women will ever stop lying to guys, I think they have this overwhelming compulsion to always seem nice. -Paul

[2004-05-21 08:09:21] - Dave: I gotta see that movie. -Paul

[2004-05-21 07:36:52] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43598-2004May20.html Kerry's fundraising nearly doubled Bush's -dave

[2004-05-21 07:33:28] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43687-2004May20.html anyone have opinions on HOT (high occupancy toll) lanes? The article is on potential HOT lanes for the beltway in VA -dave

[2004-05-21 07:19:17] - The one I like is: "7. Don't tell us how swell we are: "...You're nice, and cute, and smart, and blah blah blah..." — doesn't make us feel any better. It just makes us think, "If I'm so nice, and cute, and smart, and blah blah blah, why am I being kicked to the curb?..."  -dave

[2004-05-21 07:18:30] - http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=2239&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&GT1=3391 how not to dump a guy -dave

[2004-05-21 07:15:40] - "According to Variety, the 23-year-old actress [Julia Stiles] is in talks to star in and produce the subtly titled "Going Down" for director Mike Figgis. She'd play a college student who turns tricks to pay the bills. -dave

[2004-05-20 18:24:56] - paul:  like a prom dress?  ~a

[2004-05-20 17:37:58] - And on that note, I'm off! -Paul

[2004-05-20 17:37:46] - Travis: That was the first thing that popped into my head when I read it. -Paul

[2004-05-20 17:36:50] - does anybody else keep hearing "one week" in your head when you read that "one month" title? - travis

[2004-05-20 17:15:59] - Paul: ok, as long as you know that.    -mel

[2004-05-20 17:14:55] - Mel: That it was done with the full permision of her husband? Yeah. But I still feel sorry for him because I KNOW it wasn't his idea. -Paul

[2004-05-20 17:13:29] - paul: did yoou read the note at the bottom of the eBay post/  -mel

[2004-05-20 17:12:56] - travis: the visual thesaurus is really neat.  I like seeing how the words are related.  -mel

[2004-05-20 17:12:15] - Travis: I don't think even all the willpower in the world would be enough to ever make me good enough to beat an NBA player. -Paul

[2004-05-20 17:09:53] - would've been interesting to see how much my collection would've sold for - travis

[2004-05-20 17:08:35] - like i could all of the will to win in the world and i'm not gonna be able to beat any nba player, but if i have enough willpower i might practice enough to become good enough to compete - travis

[2004-05-20 17:08:28] - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19113&item=3194192711 Poor husband. -Paul

[2004-05-20 17:07:07] - and i do believe willpower has something to do with winning, but like i said, i think willpower is what causes players to become better eventually, so it's kind of a chicken and egg situation in my eyes - travis

[2004-05-20 17:05:39] - Travis: Yeah, but the comments start getting into other things, like heart and the like. -Paul

[2004-05-20 17:05:28] - pierce:  nope.  ~a

[2004-05-20 17:04:34] - paul: that entry is talking more about motivation than willpower, like when everyone said the lakers started losing because they expected to win - travis

[2004-05-20 17:02:30] - a: keeping in mind that you want to make it trivial enough that a human won't mind doing it just to add a comment to someone's journal. - pierce

[2004-05-20 17:02:01] - a: do you have a better idea? - pierce

[2004-05-20 17:01:08] - aaron or miguel: one of you remember to bring 2 or 3 gamecube controllers tomorrow - travis

[2004-05-20 17:00:58] - a: OCRs are getting pretty good. -Paul

[2004-05-20 16:59:46] - i don't like the "reading letters" human verification because i think it's probably pretty easy to break.  some neural net software is better at reading hard-to-read letters than humans are  ~a

[2004-05-20 16:58:01] - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_voxday_archive.html#108503242551983062 A little entry about the intangibles we were discussing before. -paul

[2004-05-20 16:57:42] - here's a similar one for authors I found a while back http://www.gnooks.com/ - vinnie

[2004-05-20 16:56:23] - ah very cool. much nicer than m-w. too bad it's fee-based - vinnie

[2004-05-20 16:51:16] - http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp like vinnie's graphical music program but you only get a limited number of searches before you have to pay - travis

[2004-05-20 16:47:44] - pierce: haha.  I like that one.  -mel

[2004-05-20 16:44:39] - http://designsonthewhitehouse.com/review/696-1085077065-front-thumb.jpg I like this one too... damn there's some good competition. - pierce

[2004-05-20 16:44:14] - travis: yeah, the letters appear in an image and you have to type in what you see. human verification - vinnie

[2004-05-20 16:43:55] - - pierce

[2004-05-20 16:43:49] - Mel: but thanks

[2004-05-20 16:43:25] - Mel: oh yeah, I forgot that that still doesn't work right in IE.  It had totally slipped my mind because I only ever use mozilla.  If you have mozilla installed, visit it in that and it looks better. - pierce

[2004-05-20 16:41:24] - pierce: I like your new comment feature.  It is really convenient to see what was last posted if you visit a particular blog a lot.  -mel

[2004-05-20 16:40:23] - Travis: So I guess this one is a stark warning to avoid women. -Paul

[2004-05-20 16:40:14] - vinnie: letters that appear? it's been a while since i commented on a livejournal (and now i have an account anyway) is it like the graphic that comes up when you order tickets online? - travis

[2004-05-20 16:39:17] - and they're not always selling stuff, like one wave came out about the passion of the christ (which was sort of selling the movie but more just christianity) - travis

[2004-05-20 16:38:47] - yeah, i wasn't implying that post was spam, but i've heard of other journals (even non-livejournals) getting spammed - travis

[2004-05-20 16:36:51] - Either way, it's kinda weird. I wonder if any other entries have any random comments like that. -Paul

[2004-05-20 16:36:16] - but he wasn't implying paul's post was spam - vinnie

[2004-05-20 16:35:54] - no, I think he's talking about actual spam - vinnie

[2004-05-20 16:35:22] - livejournals must get spammed, right? hence the point of entering the letters that appear? - vinnie

[2004-05-20 16:35:14] - Paul: I think travis was just generally referring to random people with random stories commenting on one's journal. - pierce

[2004-05-20 16:34:41] - I had something similar happen on my old journal, where some googler just randomly posted on an entry. that's why pierce's new comments feature is nice - vinnie

[2004-05-20 16:29:52] - Travis: You think it's some type of spam? It's not selling anything. I tend to think it's either a practical joke or real. -Paul

[2004-05-20 16:26:32] - has anyone with a journal had it spammed? i've seen that happen before - travis

[2004-05-20 16:24:21] - paul: oh gosh -dave

[2004-05-20 16:19:54] - http://pessen.aporter.org/archives/64.html Did anybody ever notice this comment at the end that was posted almost two years after I wrote the entry? -Paul

[2004-05-20 15:49:23] - mel: or the monster in your closet - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:48:58] - Mel: Yay!  Thanks! - pierce

[2004-05-20 15:47:54] - a: reminds me of the heisenberg (?) uncertanity principle.  -mel

[2004-05-20 15:47:12] - vinnie:  yes, you can do a POST without a GET.  you just have to inform your browser to ignore the "Location" HTTP header.  in that time after the last POST but before the first GET, there are zero hits.  But like aaron said, by observing the value, you have changed the value  ~a

[2004-05-20 15:45:41] - Pierce: just came back.  I voted "yes" for both your shirts.  I think the contest is a great idea.  its hard to come up with good creative ideas though.  -mel

[2004-05-20 15:44:52] - pierce: untap your upkeep - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:40:10] - vinnie: upload your downlink. - pierce

[2004-05-20 15:37:57] - pierce: download your file. - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:34:36] - vinnie: check your email. - pierce

[2004-05-20 15:33:30] - yeah, your example is what I'm talking about - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:32:50] - nobody can see 0 on their screen, but can't there have been 0 hits between posts? - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:29:22] - vinnie: you can't have zero.  vinniePOST adrianPOST vinnieGET(1) adrianGET(2)  ~a

[2004-05-20 15:27:47] - aaron: By observing the number of hits since the last post, the value is changed - aaron

[2004-05-20 15:27:20] - vinnie: Wait a minute - you can't have a zero. Or at least, a zero can never be displayed to the user - aaron

[2004-05-20 15:25:06] - well, I guess that doesn't automatically mean a 0, but probably was - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:24:45] - there's been a 0. just yesterday I posted something and it wasn't the top post when the page reloaded - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:24:06] - amazing, someone simultaneously had the same idea as me, but was smart enough not to ruin it - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:23:56] - I wonder if we've ever had a 0 - aaron

[2004-05-20 15:23:41] - I don't know - we've gotten pretty high - aaron

[2004-05-20 15:23:14] - hahaha streak is ovah - vinnie

[2004-05-20 15:22:57] - is 80 hits the most we've had without a post? - vinnie

[2004-05-20 14:26:41] - aaron:  possibly but the 9:30 club is a bitch to get to. - mig

[2004-05-20 14:22:25] - pierce: I reresponded to my suggestion! - aaron

[2004-05-20 14:20:28] - aaron: I responded to your suggestion. - pierce

[2004-05-20 14:18:32] - to the concert, not to see paul on his car - vinnie

[2004-05-20 14:18:31] - Dave: Might be hard to balance myself, but I'll try. -Paul

[2004-05-20 14:18:02] - i'd be willing to go to that! - vinnie

[2004-05-20 14:17:00] - Andrew W.K, 9:30 club next friday! Doesn't that sound fun? - aaron

[2004-05-20 14:16:45] - paul: As long as you're standing on top of your car -dave

[2004-05-20 14:16:11] - vinnie: Okay - i'll do my best! - aaron

[2004-05-20 14:15:52] - You guys think I could change in my car in the parking lot of the basketball court without being too scandelous? -Paul

[2004-05-20 14:14:52] - Hehehe, Choking, not Chocking. -paul

[2004-05-20 14:13:24] - Travis: Chocking the playoffs, eh? -Paul

[2004-05-20 14:10:57] - aaron: if you're coming to play basketball tomorrow, bring my CDs and we can trade back - vinnie

[2004-05-20 14:10:24] - pierce: I gave you an idea. It's kind of offbeat but I think it would make a funny shirt. It's something I might almost wear which is in my opinion a huge accomplishment for political t-shirts - aaron

[2004-05-20 14:09:53] - "choking in the playoffs" i mean - travis

[2004-05-20 14:09:38] - Paul: for one thing, the pacers have the reputation of chocking the playoffs - travis

[2004-05-20 14:08:16] - pierce: yeah, after mulling it over some, I think I agree with you. In fact, I think a case could be made for actual experience that couldn't be had from being president -dave

[2004-05-20 14:02:10] - Vinnie: I'm just amused that everyone seems to think the Pistons and Nets are much better than the Pacers even though the Pacers put away one of the hottest teams in the NBA in the second half of the season. -Paul

[2004-05-20 14:00:02] - travis: no, I was the one who snored, I just forgot to sign it. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:59:18] - not easily, but it'll be a struggle no matter who it is - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:57:40] - It's funny, because all of a sudden everyone is assuming that the Pacers are going to fall to the Pistons/Nets easily. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:57:39] - pierce: i figured it was adrian who "snore"d anyway - travis

[2004-05-20 13:56:05] - yeah, with how the pacers struggled with the heat, i wouldn't assume the pacers are going to the finals - travis

[2004-05-20 13:55:24] - if not by the pistons/nets! - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:54:26] - Travis: Which is why the Pacers are probably going to get reamed by whoever comes out of the West. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:52:58] - Paul: the t'wolves win probably had a lot to do with the individual players' playoff experience (mainly sprewell and cassell going to the finals) - travis

[2004-05-20 13:51:56] - Travis: Read my story! -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:50:32] - pierce: yeah pick something else then, cause i can't do any work right now while they reconfigure our shared code server - travis

[2004-05-20 13:50:20] - I might have to go in a second anyway, but I just thought I'd whine first. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:49:56] - Mig: I don't doubt the Lakers are better position by position this year, but I think they are better than the T'Wolves. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:49:52] - (I'm a one-trick pony) - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:49:44] - give me ideas for other shirt designs! - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:49:35] - pierce: and i get bored/lost when you guys argue all day about abstract ideals/systems - travis

[2004-05-20 13:49:02] - you pick a topic, pierce - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:48:57] - paul: well, back then the lakers had horry who used to be mr. clutch and fisher was a better player - travis

[2004-05-20 13:48:56] - hehe, once we go outside the abstract topics of "teamwork" and "will", and start talking about individual teams and people, I get lost. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:48:25] - sorry.  snore - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:48:10] - paul: so would troy hudson - travis

[2004-05-20 13:47:38] - snore

[2004-05-20 13:47:32] - i'm glad the wolves won because even though neither the kings nor the wolves will beat the lakers i doubt the kings would've done very well because that series two years ago is stuck in their mind - travis

[2004-05-20 13:47:28] - paul:  that's odd because i think the opposite. that they're worse than both the lakers and twolves position for position, at least this year. - mig

[2004-05-20 13:46:53] - and no way is peja better than george! - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:46:52] - Travis: I meant the Lakers of three years ago (or whenever they had their finals series). -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:46:24] - Bobby Jackson would've been such a great help. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:46:16] - Paul: better than the lakers? kobe is better than christie, shaq is better than divac/miller, payton can play at bibby's level, malone can probably battle webber, that just leaves peja - travis

[2004-05-20 13:45:49] - yeah, it compounds - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:45:08] - well, by this point these losses are just sticking in the kings' heads so they mentally can't win a key game - travis

[2004-05-20 13:44:47] - Vinnie: Peja is definitely a choker. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:44:29] - Travis: I think position for position, though, the Kings are/were better than the Lakers and Timberwolves. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:43:53] - I think they just choke under pressure, eg. Lakers series, end of this season, T'Wolves series. morale from previous losses coupled with lack of willpower. they didn't want the win enough - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:43:34] - if the wolves beat the lakers then i will believe willpower can win games/championships, otherwise i'm standing by my skill beats all - travis

[2004-05-20 13:42:13] - Paul: the kings play well as a team, but then they lack the extra talent level to get past other teams.  every year they run into a team that plays better (lakers, wolves, can't explain dallas last year ) - travis

[2004-05-20 13:41:26] - Paul: like "sportsmanship" or "teamwork" - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:41:04] - Paul: I know, but they're all part of this subset of "volatile characteristics that can't be measured tangibly" - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:40:26] - Pierce: Morale is different from willpower. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:40:19] - basically, yes! - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:39:51] - Travis: Right, and I guess it's that team thing that bothers me, because the Kings have been together longer than anybody and so why aren't they winning any championships? Willpower? -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:39:40] - Paul: fuck off. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:39:28] - but both of those things are caused by sloppiness, which is directly related to morale. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:39:21] - and with the sharks/flames series, hockey can't even figure out sports teams are supposed to have home team advantages - travis

[2004-05-20 13:39:10] - Pierce: I think saying that willpower wins games is an empty, meaningless statement. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:38:48] - pierce: i think the most significant variables at that level are injuries and penalties - travis

[2004-05-20 13:37:50] - Paul: it's understandable when a team like the bucks trade away good players and get better because they can wind up with a team that plays better together.  it's like how some people didn't think the lakers would be so good just because everyone was individually great  - travis

[2004-05-20 13:37:15] - So cliche or no, it's an applicable statement. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:37:08] - but willpower does win games - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:36:47] - travis: especially at the collegiate and professional levels, a lot of times the only things that are significant variables are morale and willpower, because everybody's already essentially at their physical peak. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:35:31] - saying "willpower" wins a game just sounds like too much of a coaching cliche, like hearing stan van gundy yell "you gotta wanna win this game" last night - travis

[2004-05-20 13:35:19] - If anyone else wants to go vote for my shirts (preferrably in favor of them), then I encourage it. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:34:54] - will should only win games if brings out something the team that wasn't present before, in which case they were in fact the better team to begin with they just weren't playing to their potential - travis

[2004-05-20 13:34:12] - Paul: roughly? - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:33:59] - dave: experience as president might make you a better overall president, but I don't think it lends you any military credibility.  Keep in mind that what I'm talking about is perceived credibility, not real ability. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:33:47] - paul: yeah, know what you mean. -dave

[2004-05-20 13:33:46] - a: 1/12th of a year roughly. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:33:15] - Dave: True, but it's still irksome when the Bucks trade away all their good players and get BETTER somehow. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:32:05] - oops, commander in chief -dave

[2004-05-20 13:31:51] - what does one month mean?  ~a

[2004-05-20 13:30:44] - paul: but in some senses it makes it more interesting and complex, since you know that it's not just having a buncha good players, but a bunch of players that have skills that complement one another's -dave

[2004-05-20 13:30:29] - Vinnie: It's not so bad once you get a feel for it. Still far too slow paced for my liking though. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:29:44] - pierce: Yes, you may be correct about "real" military service, but my point is that the only good the "military service" is to the candidate, is how it qualifies him to do a good job of being command in chief. This would seem to imply that actual experience being c.i.c. would be vastly better -dave

[2004-05-20 13:29:43] - Dave: Oh, I know. But it irks me when some team adds a superstar player and does WORSE than the year before. It kinda makes knowing stats and history about the game pretty meaningless. -paul

[2004-05-20 13:29:27] - baseball is like continually compounded interest. you REALLY have to look at the long-term for it to make sense - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:28:44] - paul: yay, you've pinpointed what I dislike about baseball - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:28:13] - paul: It can also be boring if everything is deterministic and there aren't any surprises -dave

[2004-05-20 13:27:57] - Dave: okay, I understand what you're saying now but I disagree... the military cred, as far as I can tell, comes from "real" military service, namely being under someone else's command and having to obey orders, and preferrably being in a real combat situation at some point. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:27:08] - Travis: One thing that often bothers me about a sport (any sport) is when there are lots of upsets and "bad teams" suddenly play well so it's impossible to figure out what makes a good team and what makes a bad team. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:26:35] - pierce: yeah I know. I guess I didn't phrase it well. I mean to say that Bush, having been president for four years, may have better military experience than Kerry, who was an officer of a PT boat -dave

[2004-05-20 13:26:22] - vinnie: or "courage" or "brains" or "toto" - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:26:03] - kris: n/m, I saw your comment on my journal.  double yay! - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:25:59] - yeah "will" != "luck". now if only someone could explain where "heart" fits into this... - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:25:25] - kris: which one did you vote "yes" on? - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:25:08] - kris: yay!  thank you! - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:24:55] - dave: huh?  I'm just talking about alternative presidential candidates, not people who don't become president at all. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:24:16] - travis: if you think about it, "will" is a huge force in many popular sports. Like "momentum" in football, basketball, etc. -dave

[2004-05-20 13:23:56] - ooh! i voted yes  -kris

[2004-05-20 13:23:16] - pierce: so it's worse if you become president without prior military service than if you weren't president at all? That doesn't seem right somehow -dave

[2004-05-20 13:22:57] - i know that has nothing to do with what's being discussed, but it was discussed before - travis

[2004-05-20 13:22:27] - one reason hockey ranks low in my opinion: a commentator on espn said "and the reason why hockey is the greatest game in the world?  because the flames once again showed that will beats out skill"  yeah, that's what i want, a game where will (a.k.a. luck) beats out skill - travis

[2004-05-20 13:22:04] - http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1084907692821 verizon to sell video over fiber in 2005 -dave

[2004-05-20 13:21:56] - haha, surely if they didn't get in a combat situation as president that's a good thing? - vinnie

[2004-05-20 13:18:52] - And being a president with military service, but without having been in a combat situation, also loses credibility. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:17:53] - kris: http://www.ph0.org/blog/public/archives/000071.html - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:17:37] - Dave: yeah, but being a president without prior military service (for example) would lose a lot of that credibility because you would've skipped over the "real" parts of military service. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:17:29] - which was pierce's shirt?  i wonder what i voted for it -kris

[2004-05-20 13:16:05] - pierce: although, if you think about it, Bush's stint as president for four years would seemingly qualify him much more for the job than Kerry being an officer of a PT boat. Tho opinion on how good a job Bush has done comes into play as well -dave

[2004-05-20 13:14:39] - pierce: very true. -dave

[2004-05-20 13:14:02] - mel: what would be absolutely hysterical is if you gave Pierce's shirt a bad rating, HEHE -dave

[2004-05-20 13:13:37] - Dave: it also gives them credibility in terms of being the chief officer of the U.S. armed forces. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:13:21] - pierce: I suppose there is also something to be said for saying that you "served your country" better if you were in the active military rather than an inactive portion -dave

[2004-05-20 13:12:38] - Pierce: Well, yes. Kerry has more medals than Bush. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:12:06] - pierce: It just occurred to me that is the real reason why politicians like having military records, because it should give them a more valid point to speak from, yes? -dave

[2004-05-20 13:11:43] - Dave: not necessarily, but military service would normally be a key touchpoint in an election; but Bush would probably get more military credibility simply because of this scandal about the medals. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:10:57] - Paul: I'm not saying how it reflects on him as a whole, and it's not like he was responsible for the war in Vietnam.  I'm saying that purely with respect to military service, Kerry beats Bush. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:10:56] - pierce: I'm curious, do you think that Kerry's military record qualifies him to make military decisions, or to talk about military issues with more validity than Bush? -dave

[2004-05-20 13:10:00] - Pierce: Depends on your point of view. I, personally, don't think that going out and killing people who were fighting for their freedom is particularly heroic. -Paul

[2004-05-20 13:08:22] - Paul: I think only his first purple heart is considered to have been an overhyped injury, but I don't know all that much about it.  But two "real" purple hearts isn't too shabby. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:07:45] - Regarding Kerry, I admit that it's a bit slimy to have thrown someone else's medals away and kept his own; I'm not really defending the guy because I don't like him much at all.  But having medals at all sure beats the hell out of Bush's military record. - pierce

[2004-05-20 13:06:40] - Mel: yay!  which one? - pierce

[2004-05-20 12:57:46] - pierce: I just registered with the Designs on The White House contest and I got to vote on your shirt.    -mel

[2004-05-20 12:55:30] - vinnie: haha!  I like the idea of burning a flame retardant bra.  Thats pretty funny.  -mel

[2004-05-20 12:47:29] - Dave: No reasoning beyond tradition. I just don't see any particular support for Kerry from the military and so that support is likely to go to Bush by default. -Paul

[2004-05-20 12:44:16] - mig: Quite understandable, especially for those that had family members die -dave

[2004-05-20 12:40:34] - hard to say on the vets, but i do know bush is not in good favor with a significant portion of the families of military people. - mig

[2004-05-20 12:39:20] - paul: really? any reasoning behind that, or just a gut instinct? -dave

[2004-05-20 12:38:43] - Dave: Bush, despite the fact he got them into a "war". -Paul

[2004-05-20 12:34:07] - So with Kerry being a vet, who do you think the military types are going to vote for? -dave

[2004-05-20 11:55:41] - dave: yes, that's true. he is trying to have it both ways - vinnie

[2004-05-20 11:54:42] - Dave: Damn skippy, my tax money paid for those medals. -Paul

[2004-05-20 11:54:27] - vinnie: HEHE, I bet that'd make a lot of smoke ^_^ -dave

[2004-05-20 11:54:15] - vinnie: I think the gesture has less meaning in either case. He's flaunting the medals now, those same medals he threw or "pretended" to throw before. Seems like you shouldn't be able to have it both ways -dave

[2004-05-20 11:53:36] - or burning a flame-retardant bra - vinnie

[2004-05-20 11:53:17] - ) -dave

[2004-05-20 11:53:14] - I suppose that very reaction is the reason for throwing them though (shrug

[2004-05-20 11:53:04] - for the record, I also think that throwing, or pretending to throw your medals is a poor way to protest. Say all you want about not wanting the US over there, but don't belittle the medals that some people "paid" so much for and value highly. -dave

[2004-05-20 11:52:38] - well, the gesture has less meaning if he got the medals back. it'd be like someone burning a bra and then buying a new one - vinnie

[2004-05-20 11:50:34] - it also doesn't matter much to me either way. He threw the medals for all intents and purposes. He also "earned" those same medals. What changes by his having them or not now? -dave

[2004-05-20 11:49:49] - aaron: personally, I think it's just a story they made up to justify his having the medals now, but I don't know anything about medal throwing traditions. -dave

[2004-05-20 11:48:38] - dave: Why only throw his ribbons though? It seems like those would be more difficult to throw. What if there was a breeze? And what kind of statement was he trying to make by throwing one and not the other? - aaron

[2004-05-20 11:43:53] - Dave: Yeah, I think that's what I heard too. -Paul

[2004-05-20 11:43:38] - I think that's what his official stance is -dave

[2004-05-20 11:42:35] - I heard that he threw the medal ribbons over the wall, and not the medals themselves -dave

[2004-05-20 11:41:16] - Aaron: I heard about it too. Supposedly he got into a heated argument with somebody about exactly what happened because every reporter there saw him throw his medals over the wall but he claims he didn't. -Paul

[2004-05-20 11:41:09] - haha, he threw someone else's medals over the wall? - vinnie

[2004-05-20 11:39:21] - pierce: Allegedly his defense was that the medals he threw over the wall were not his own, which raised more questions... I don't know, I heard a lot about it 6 months ago or so on Limbaugh, when it was a hot-button issue - aaron

[2004-05-20 11:38:29] - pierce: There's also this weird phenomenon I was hearing about where he threw his medals over the whitehouse walls or something, in protest of the war - but later produced them again - aaron

[2004-05-20 11:36:12] - Pierce: I think it's because he's an easy target. He was an anti-war protester after the war and supposedly not many of the soldiers he worked with liked him AND supposedly his "injuries" weren't such a big deal. -Paul

[2004-05-20 11:34:54] - Pierce: I guess that's true. But I just can't imagine father's rights protesters doing anything like that here. -Paul

[2004-05-20 11:34:52] - I mean, the first two google links for "john kerry purple heart" are the national review saying that the first purple heart was for an overstated injury, and a link to WND. - pierce

[2004-05-20 11:33:43] - "Marriage comes with three rings: engagement ring, wedding ring, suffering." -Paul

[2004-05-20 11:29:47] - It's amazing that the PR machine has done such an amazing job turning JK's military background into a bad thing, especially when compared to Bush. - pierce

[2004-05-20 11:29:39] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&e=3&u=/ap/20040517/ap_on_re_as/japan_scolded_lawmakers at least lawmakers are useless all over the world - travis

[2004-05-20 11:28:58] - Paul: maybe they're not, that's why these guys are resorting to these methods. - pierce

[2004-05-20 11:27:09] - aaron: it does, but I still like it.  And lets face it, controversy or no, at least he got a purple heart. - pierce

[2004-05-20 11:26:42] - http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=523020 This along with the spider man. I didn't know father's rights were such a big deal in Britain. -Paul

[2004-05-20 11:26:18] - pierce: Doesn't that design highlight his somewhat controversial military history? - aaron

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