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[2004-06-09 17:51:56] - vinnie: I think its ok but feel free to suggest what you think. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:51:44] - and my teal is awful. yeah, the light orange one is fine - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:51:29] - vinnie: adrian changed the default already to 6FF5C7 didn't he? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:51:18] - color:
[2004-06-09 17:51:16] - oh, ok. that's quite distinguishable from his - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:50:55] - mel: they're close - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:50:51] - travis:
[2004-06-09 17:50:36] - how about 6FF5C7? - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:50:05] - vinnie: isn't travis more orange? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:49:32] - that looks like travis' color now
- vinnie[2004-06-09 17:49:10] - bye Paul.
-mel[2004-06-09 17:48:44] - -mel
[2004-06-09 17:48:38] - bye Paula!
[2004-06-09 17:48:31] - bye Paul(a) - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:48:25] - a: too light, I think. DAA520 is darker. Or whatever you think is good. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:47:57] - Me too, seeya tomorrow. -Paula
[2004-06-09 17:47:50] - Alrighty, time for me to go home now. ttyl all. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:47:45] - too light - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:47:25] - color: ~a
[2004-06-09 17:46:26] - You and your three dimensions. We have 5. Million. -paula
[2004-06-09 17:45:50] - pah! I'm in a color spectrum so advanced your puny eyes mistakes my color for black - dr. vinruption
[2004-06-09 17:45:40] - a: I propose a light yellow as the default color. Maybe EEE8AA. I'm not sure how readable that is on this background. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:44:09] - Dr. Vinruption: I think you're going to be the worst. You don't even have a color. -Paula
[2004-06-09 17:43:58] - Paula: apropos eh? of nothing! ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 17:43:29] - Paula: haha!!! thats hilarious. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:43:27] - paula is gonna be the worst persona ever
- dr. vinruption[2004-06-09 17:42:35] - Mel: It goes well with my eyes. -Paula
[2004-06-09 17:42:03] - Ew, too much like the other female. Which strangely seems apropos. -Paula
[2004-06-09 17:41:44] - Paula: Nice color. I like it.
-mel[2004-06-09 17:41:42] - *** Paula mumbles under breath 1,2,3,4,5,6.... dammit!
[2004-06-09 17:41:39] - mel: hehe ok thanks. Good to let me know so I don't accidentally delete it with the spam -dave
[2004-06-09 17:40:44] - Paula: too many. 456789 it is. ~a
[2004-06-09 17:40:33] - dave: I sent you some e-mail to your hotmail account. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:40:06] - a: I will propose a new color, just a sec I have to mess around with the colors first. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:38:52] - a: 456789AB -Paula
[2004-06-09 17:38:07] - it'd be cool if the message board had lurkers, but somehow I doubt it - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:38:03] - Mel: Too bad.
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:37:57] - Paula: pick your hex. ~a
[2004-06-09 17:37:17] - need = had - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:37:09] - mel: it used to be white but pierce the whiner didn't like white. you can pose a new color if you'd like and i'll promise not to label you as a whiner. ~a
[2004-06-09 17:36:58] - we need some random people jump on back in the day. dr. disruption! - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:36:47] - Paul: It almost worked on me. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:36:22] - vinnie: pink IS taken. Thats right. But I'm sure adrian can find a different shade for Paula. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:36:15] - Mel: I thought so. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:35:55] - Paul: scaring them away is a pretty good reason. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:34:07] - vinnie: what? who are you? give pink back! ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 17:33:44] - I didn't even know google did acronyms ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 17:33:35] - hey! pink is taken - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:33:16] - Mel: To scare them away. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:33:02] - Mel: I don't see why not. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:32:59] - dave: ok cool. thanks. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:32:45] - Paul: you tried to submit a new acronym? cool. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:32:30] - Paul: why would you want what a new person writes to jump out so much? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:32:18] - Huh, they wouldn't take my acronym. No idea why. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:32:02] - Paul: can you be a mysogynist and be female? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:31:36] - mel: d_tsou@hotmail.com or dtsou@vt.edu -dave
[2004-06-09 17:31:29] - Mel: Maybe you just answered the question.
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:30:01] - why is the default color red anyway? It really jumps out whenever a new person writes on the message board. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:29:27] - Paula: conveniently enough, I don't think pink is taken. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:29:00] - dave: yeah, but I don't really think orkut is worth signing up for. Its sort of pointless. Do you have an e-mail I can write to? I'll send you a photo. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:28:54] - a: I demand that my color be pink! -Paula
[2004-06-09 17:27:15] - mel: hmmm, don't think I've ever signed up for that one. Something like orkut.com? -dave
[2004-06-09 17:27:07] - Paul: haha! That would be so funny. You should request a seperate color from adrian for Paula the militant misogynist.
-mel[2004-06-09 17:26:12] - woah, everyone be frightened....he's alliterating -dave
[2004-06-09 17:26:09] - dave: well I definitely remember you. I was just wondering because I wasn't sure if you remembered me and I have a somewhat recent photo on orkut. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:25:52] - Mel: No response to what? -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:25:30] - Mel: Humph, you just wait. You're going to see a militant misogynist named Paula posting on this board and THEN you're going to be sorry. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:25:15] - Paul: aww, no response to that? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:24:37] - mel: hmmm, I think we all signed up for friendster at one point, but I stopped checking it awhile ago -dave
[2004-06-09 17:23:56] - Paul: you can put that suggestion in the same box as the gender reassignment suggestion. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:23:32] - Paul: Maybe you should write to them and complain. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:23:14] - dave: so do you use orkut or friendster or something similar? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:23:00] - Vinnie: That acronym finder doesn't have "Female Body Inspector" as one for FBI -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:21:16] - dave: haha! Nice. I'll keep that in mind, in case we all get bored with the current arrangement. hehe -mel
[2004-06-09 17:21:11] - Dave: Ouch
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:20:22] - all the non-tj people have long since left (cryptic, katie, logan, kristin, andrew, nemo) ~a
[2004-06-09 17:20:09] - Paul: He just forgot to add IMHO.
-mel[2004-06-09 17:20:09] - Paul: well, I suppose I could have used other names if it was just you, but I tried to include everyone so had to tone it down ^_^ HEHE -dave
[2004-06-09 17:19:44] - dave: yeah, thats how I knew people from the message board too. Then I moved away to CA for college and somehow didn't come back yet. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:18:07] - Dave: Bozos? Jokers? Feeling a little resentment here.
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:18:02] - mel: ahhh *lightbulb going on* -dave
[2004-06-09 17:17:42] - dave: I never knew you as "dave." -mel
[2004-06-09 17:17:11] - dave: ah! I remember you now. cool. Melissa Soriano. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:16:45] - dave: cool. I will.
-mel[2004-06-09 17:16:38] - mel: ack, you went to TJ too? I'm David Tsou -dave
[2004-06-09 17:16:11] - mel: hehe, visited tech to see friends? let me know if you're down here again and maybe we can go do somethin -dave
[2004-06-09 17:15:51] - dave: so you went to TJ? Do you remember me? Hmm.. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:15:46] - dave: she went to HS with the you. (sic) ~a
[2004-06-09 17:15:16] - those were the days. ~a
[2004-06-09 17:15:08] - mel: well I grew up in Northern VA and went to HS with the rest of the jokers here. It's just that none of them are doing grad school like me, so they got to return to Northern VA before me =[ -dave
[2004-06-09 17:14:28] - dave: yes, I knew.
I went down there to visit a few times. -mel[2004-06-09 17:13:37] - mel: ummm, blacksburg being where VA Tech is if you didn't know -dave
[2004-06-09 17:13:32] - Dave: I prefer to think of it as you deserting us.
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:13:03] - dave: ah, yeah, I thought you were up in Northern VA like everyone else. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:12:36] - Paul: Yes, 4:45 would be worse than 5:45 here too. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:12:16] - mel: yeah, I do part time work / part time grad school during the academic year. Since it's summer I just work full time. All the rest of the bozos on this msg board (excepting maybe Andrew) deserted me down here -dave
[2004-06-09 17:12:00] - Mel: Well, when I get off work at 5:45, it's usually slowed down enough on the metro so it's not too bad. Leaving at 4:45 is a lot worse. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:11:50] - where is Pierce anyway? Is he actually working?
-mel[2004-06-09 17:11:38] - mel: yeah, people who work long hours go in early and still leave normal time -dave
[2004-06-09 17:11:08] - dave: you live in blacksburg? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:10:44] - Where I live anyway, it seems like people spread out the time they go to work more than the time they leave work. So the afternoon rush is worse than the morning rush because its more compact. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:10:03] - mel: well, this is in blacksburg, so there really isn't even all that much traffic to miss. But yeah, technically I could get off at 4:00 if I wanted, but I usually stay till 4:30. Still usually good enough to miss any traffic -dave
[2004-06-09 17:09:45] - Paul: thats what I was thinking. The afternoon commute could get bad. That is harder for me to avoid than the morning rush. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:08:57] - Dave: My commute might be easier going to work if I woke up earlier, but then it would be messier coming home so it all evens out. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:08:43] - dave: do you even miss the traffic in the afternoon? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:08:15] - mel: but yeah, I still usually get up around 6 -dave
[2004-06-09 17:08:12] - dave: yup. And my roommate doesn't work during the day so I'm sure I would get distracted. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:08:04] - mel: well I have the added bonus of a 5 mins commute -dave
[2004-06-09 17:07:29] - dave: yeah, its hard enough for me to get up as it is. Getting to work at 7:00 would be extremely difficult to pull off. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:07:19] - mel: yeah, so many more things to distract you when working from home. -dave
[2004-06-09 17:06:48] - paul: yeah, those posts I usually get in before everyone shows up at work -dave
[2004-06-09 17:06:38] - Vinnie: That's cool. I wish it was like that here. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:06:36] - mel: yeah it's nice to leave early, but also a pain to have to get up so early. But I think I like having more of the day when I get home -dave
[2004-06-09 17:06:10] - a: yeah, I have a problem with that too. I think I work less at home. You have to be more disciplined. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:05:40] - basically they want us here during a specific timeframe and outside of that, they don't care about us being here - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:05:34] - a: so it all works out. I've heard stories of people who had to work with other branches in india, where the time zone change messed everything up. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:04:56] - i can never get work done at home. ~a
[2004-06-09 17:04:54] - typical where I work, and quite nice. I even have a laptop at work, but I try to do stuff that doesn't require it at home - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:04:45] - dave: wow, thats early. No wonder you leave early too. cool. Starting early has the nice consequence of allowing you to leave early. The guy I share an office with comes so early he leave at 3 PM. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:04:36] - Dave: Ah, so you're posting those messages early in the morning instead of late at night? -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:04:20] - mel: actually nope. i'm the only one in my office with clients on the west coast. well, at least i'm the one most affected by them (they're always calling me up right when i want to leave, or right during lunch). ~a
[2004-06-09 17:03:39] - vinnie: thats neat. Did you have to talk to your boss to request to work from home? Or is that typical where you work? It can be a nice option. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:03:32] - I get to work at 7:00 - 7:30 -dave
[2004-06-09 17:03:28] - Vinnie: You do work from home? I wish I could just do that.
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:02:42] - a: how does your office deal with that? Does it affect business hours? -mel
[2004-06-09 17:01:48] - I get in at 8:45-9:00, but I also do work from home - vinnie
[2004-06-09 17:01:46] - Paul: I try to come in at 8:30. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:01:25] - Paul: I think its funny your "backup" link says marijuana is especially harmful for girls. -mel
[2004-06-09 17:01:24] - Mel: Hey, that was the first result from Google, so don't go blaming me.
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:00:58] - What time does everybody get in usually? I get in at 8:00 but it seems like everybody else gets in later. -Paul
[2004-06-09 17:00:13] - Paul: "Especially for girls!!" -mel
[2004-06-09 17:00:11] - Mel: Fine then, put your California friends over your Message board friends.
-Paul[2004-06-09 17:00:03] - mel: don't shift your lunch then, just the rest of the day. eat lunch at the end of the day! - vinnie
[2004-06-09 16:59:38] - a: yes, I think so. which makes it funnier. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:59:32] - mel: many of my clients are PST (actually, they're arizona which is PDT all year round) so i'm mostly PST. ~a
[2004-06-09 16:59:25] - http://www.theantidrug.com/advice/articles_moreharmful.asp There, google is a better friend than Vinnie.
-paul[2004-06-09 16:59:09] - Paul: For some reason, lunch is really important here. Everyone in my building goes to lunch together and a lot of interesting internal news/gossip is discussed, So I don't think I can shift my lunch. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:58:38] - Mel: I think it would be easier for you to shift your workday than for everybody on the East coast to shift theirs. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:58:26] - "It's more harmful than we thought." isn't that ad targetted twards the parents who (grew up in the 60s and) know exactly how harmful it is by experience? ~a
[2004-06-09 16:57:54] - Paul: OR, you could shift your workdays so they fit PST. Riiiight. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:57:26] - Vinnie: Thanks, I appreciate it. Jackass.
-Paul[2004-06-09 16:56:46] - vinnie: haha. way to back Paul up. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:56:12] - paul: never seen them - vinnie
[2004-06-09 16:56:07] - Paul: ah yes.
Those crazy anti-Marijuana ads. -mel[2004-06-09 16:55:14] - Mel: I guess maybe you didn't get those ads in California? It was some ad about Marijuana (I think) and about how it's more harmful than we all thought or something. Somebody back me up here. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:54:14] - Mel: Even better. Do it. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:54:05] - Paul: what do you mean more harmful? -mel
[2004-06-09 16:53:34] - Paul: Clearly this is the case. I should look for more Californians. Or alternatively, shift my workday so it matches yours.
-mel[2004-06-09 16:52:45] - Mel: It's more harmful than we thought. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:52:25] - Mel: Clearly you need to find more Californians to converse with on the message board. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:52:24] - haha, I like the title. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:52:01] - a: because we all know that we all hit refresh a lot. Not because we don't like the message board. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:51:41] - it's not as bad as we all thought
[2004-06-09 16:51:22] - Paul: so I generate 3.17% of the traffic in 3 hours whereas you generate 9.17% in 8 hours. Not as bad as we thought. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:50:54] - paul: :o - vinnie
[2004-06-09 16:50:34] - why is everybody considering this a bad thing? that's it, no stats for you. ~a
[2004-06-09 16:50:31] - Paul: well I argue that because we mostly all post at work (8 hours per day) but I'm in a different time zone (3 hours different) my day only coincides with yours for 5 hours. But we also eat lunch at different times, which mena sthat for one hour per day none of you are here and for one hour, I'm not here. That leaves only 3 hours. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:50:15] - Vinnie: You sure you aren't sharing your stats with somebody else? -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:49:27] - haha, I can't believe I have Paul beat in terms of numbers. how sad
- vinnie[2004-06-09 16:48:54] - a: Ok, so now why are YOU sad? -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:48:10] - paul:
~a[2004-06-09 16:47:31] - Mel: Why are you sad? Because you don't spend as much time idly refreshing the message board in the hope that somebody has posted something new?
-Paul[2004-06-09 16:46:49] - it was a (seemingly infinite) set of nested directories with a "random" set of words making up the directory names and file contents. the files themselves didn't actually exist, it was a cgi script that handled the replies. ~a
[2004-06-09 16:45:48] - Paul: 9.17% of the traffic then. Almost 3 times as much as me.
-mel[2004-06-09 16:45:02] - a: woah!! cool. you had the number one hit for android handjob?? Thats pretty funny. what did you used to have on the /fun/ site? -mel
[2004-06-09 16:44:33] - in reference to your story so many posts ago - vinnie
[2004-06-09 16:44:22] - mel: a very dilbert solution, yes
- vinnie[2004-06-09 16:43:53] - I suspect I am 206.118 -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:43:47] - mel: that search word report is nothing like i had back when i had the /fun/ site. now that's a report i should run just for fun: for about six months, i had the number one hit on google for "android handjob". the googlebot gave me about 2000 hits per day and i got about twice that from the searchees. ~a
[2004-06-09 16:43:35] - a: whats up with people searching for "miffy"? -mel
[2004-06-09 16:41:49] - a: yeah, what is up with the Netherlands? -mel
[2004-06-09 16:41:45] - travis: that was by bytes. someone (probably just one person) probably browsed the images (images big, message board small). ~a
[2004-06-09 16:41:29] - I generate 3.51% of the traffic on this site. Hmm. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:40:31] - Paul: haha. good point. Viagra is definitely more important. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:40:16] - a: why do the netherlands request so much information from you relative to other countries? - travis
[2004-06-09 16:40:08] - Mel: Possibly. But considering that Viagra only came out a couple of years ago, I think we might have awhile to wait. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:39:33] - a: search word report is interesting too.
-mel[2004-06-09 16:38:46] - Paul: As far as I know, there aren't either. But you'd think people would come up with one soon, wouldn't you? There's a big incentive. wouldn't millions of males be interested? -mel
[2004-06-09 16:38:06] - a: ha! Almost all the traffic is from .net and .com -mel
[2004-06-09 16:37:56] - Mel: No idea, I've never tried it. And as far as I know, there are no real cures. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:36:55] - a: wow, cool info. thanks. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:36:34] - Paul: yeah. does that work?? hey, are there any real cures for baldness? -mel
[2004-06-09 16:36:04] - mel: often the discussion ends around 4. http://aporter.org/analog/ ~a
[2004-06-09 16:35:51] - Mel: When all the wusses go home. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:35:44] - a: Well it could have been fertilizer but I don't think it was. Because the week after the open house they tore out the grass, did some plumbing work, and put in brand new grass to replace it. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:35:24] - People spray paint their bald head so it looks like hair, right? -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:34:56] - Paul: well all the conversation will die soon anyways because its getting close to 5 PM, EST. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:34:26] - mel: there are fertalizers that are sprayed. and fertalizer is green. ~a
[2004-06-09 16:34:19] - vinnie: And they did a bad job, so there were specks of green on the sidewalk too. Which made the whole thing far less convincing.
-mel[2004-06-09 16:33:35] - people came and spray painted it green! who does that?? -mel
[2004-06-09 16:33:28] - seems like dave was the lynchpin of discussion today. ~a
[2004-06-09 16:33:10] - vinnie: here at my govenment job, we had an open house for the public a few weeks ago. Some grass across from my building was looking pretty dead and I was wondering what was going to happen to it. well the day before the open house some maintanance.. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:32:12] - Or not. -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:31:44] - vinnie: I know, same here. I agree ith Dave. Its priceless when tech is written well. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:31:00] - bye Dave! -mel
[2004-06-09 16:28:38] - Seems like Dave was the lynchpin of discussion today.
-Paul[2004-06-09 16:23:25] - dilbert is similar, actually. enough applicability to my own life to be creepy - vinnie
[2004-06-09 16:22:33] - see ya - vinnie
[2004-06-09 16:22:09] - well, I'm off for home. You peeps have fun ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 16:21:44] - mel: hehe yeah, it seems so rare to find writing from someone who understands all the technobabble. Makes it quite priceless when you see it well done ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 16:21:22] - yeah, I don't quite get how that book can be so true to so many people, but it is - vinnie
[2004-06-09 16:20:37] - I think funny+ geeky is a great kind of humor. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:20:21] - man, I have to buy Microserfs. Still haven't had a chance. Sometimes I thought I was reading about myself. And that book had some really funny lines too. Funny + geeky. Which always makes me laugh. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:18:49] - dave: yup, the power issues were out of control. One of my projects was calculating power estimates for different areas of the chip and coloring the chip different colors (red=hot, cold=blue) so management could look at it. Very Dilbert.
-mel[2004-06-09 16:17:34] - mel: yeah...that has to be so heartbreaking to see something you put so much effort into cancelled -dave
[2004-06-09 16:16:46] - dave: design. The project was going for 3 years and about to be finished (tape-out for fabrication) when they cancelled it. Reminds me of some sort of Dilbert comic strip. Everyone was so disappointed. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:15:07] - mel: yeah, about the new P4, I heard that that route was turning into a power sucking monster -dave
[2004-06-09 16:15:05] - dave: me too. I was cracking up. Never met the guy but I would have liked to. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:13:58] - mel: what'd you work on specifically? design? testing and verification? -dave
[2004-06-09 16:13:24] - mel: wow, great page, the bob colwell thing. I like his "brainstorming done badly" paragraph -dave
[2004-06-09 16:11:33] - dave: worked on tejas, a Pentium 4 incarnation. That was cancelled recently. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119299,00.html
-mel[2004-06-09 16:10:30] - mel: hmmm, I didn't mean that as telling you something, but agreeing with you. -dave
[2004-06-09 16:09:59] - mel: yeah, just be aware of when and where you are using generalizations and what effects they may have -dave
[2004-06-09 16:09:19] - Paul: hehe, using generalizations in discussions is amusing, because I always have to stop myself from listing all the caveats etc -dave
[2004-06-09 16:09:00] - Paul: well I do too. Yesterday I started thinking about how maybe we naturally do that because we work in engineering and science. And so we sort of have to. We can't ever understand everything there is to know and so we have to accept some facts as given. I was just thinking that I should be careful with partial information. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:07:31] - mel: jeez, you worked for Intel? What'd you do? -dave
[2004-06-09 16:07:12] - so to anyone interested: http://www.computer.org/computer/Colwell.htm Bon Colwell's column. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:06:38] - Mave: That's interesting, because I think I tend to form a lot of theories (or hypotheses or whatever) based on putting lots of generalizations together so I guess I think like he does? -Paul
[2004-06-09 16:06:21] - Bob Colwell was chief engineer of the Penitum II, III, and 4. He no longer works for Intel. After I stopped working at Intel, I began to have a strange curiosity in how the company was doing. I kept wondering if I did the right thing in leaving. So I surfed around and found Bob Colwell's column. he's very funny. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:04:36] - Paul: ack, that self addressed comment was to you -dave
[2004-06-09 16:04:30] - Paul: Just the frequent use of generalizations. I might be totally wrong. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:04:24] - mel: hehe, yeah it is ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 16:03:56] - Dave: oh, I haven't ready too many of his articles, just browsed some. Was just trying to clarify what Mel was saying -dave
[2004-06-09 16:03:53] - dave: isn't that a great phrase?? I just discovered this column and I find it highly entertaining.
-mel[2004-06-09 16:03:23] - hehe, more laughs "same emotional wallop as that Aha! feeling you got when you first glimpsed the transcendent beauty of calculus.." ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 16:02:55] - Mave: What's wrong with holding back information from the enemy?
I know what you mean though, but I'm not sure what gives you that impression. -Paul[2004-06-09 16:01:51] - hehe "they also tend to suck all the verbal bandwidth out of a room" -dave
[2004-06-09 16:00:51] - dave: yes, thats exactly what I was trying to say. That Vox's partial information may lead us to make totally false conclusions. -mel
[2004-06-09 16:00:20] - Paul: y'know, like if you're debating someone and you know of a very good point they could make that would crush your argument, but you don't say? -dave
[2004-06-09 16:00:06] - Paul: I read this column by Bob Colwell yesterday. http://www.computer.org/computer/homepage/0404/random/index.htm He pointed out that we often need to make decisions (in science and engineering) where we don't have the complete picture. And that can lead to faulty conclusions. -mel
[2004-06-09 15:59:48] - Paul: I think what Mel is trying to say though, is that in his explaining his opinion or pointing out flaws in the opposing opinion, he's hiding or not mentioning something -dave
[2004-06-09 15:58:47] - mel: yeah, I remember all that mess about Apple the record company ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-09 15:53:49] - Mel: Well, I think a lot of the time he isn't really trying to prove anything, just trying to detail why he holds the opinions he does (while pointing the logical flaws out in his opponent's arguments). -Paul
[2004-06-09 15:53:02] - vinnie:
-mel[2004-06-09 15:52:11] - mel: hahaha, funny analogy - vinnie
[2004-06-09 15:51:31] - mel: in fact, apple records made a similar threat back when apple released music-making software. they settled out of court for several million - vinnie
[2004-06-09 15:51:05] - Paul: I hadn't thought about hings the way he does, which makes him interesting. But remember how you can "prove" 0=1 if you divide by zero and hide it? Vox gives me the feeling that he is dividing by zero. -mel
[2004-06-09 15:49:05] - mel: oh yeah, definitely. it may have been settled already, for all I know. I heard about this a while back - vinnie
[2004-06-09 15:47:59] - Mel: I agree that he tends to make generalizations and that they aren't really provable ones either, but they often (but not always) make sense to me. -Paul
[2004-06-09 15:46:15] - vinnie: yeah. Do you think they have a legitimate case? -mel
[2004-06-09 15:45:52] - vinnie: haha! I don't know. it just changed, didn't it? -mel
[2004-06-09 15:45:28] - Paul: vox is interesting. He tends to make generalizations. -mel
[2004-06-09 15:45:05] - hahaha, wtf is that title? - vinnie
[2004-06-09 15:44:52] - I heard about that a while back. when they started I-Tunes, right? - vinnie
[2004-06-09 15:41:29] - dave: did you hear about The Beatles suing Apple because the Beatles started Apple Corps (a record company) first? -mel
[2004-06-09 15:30:42] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27658-2004Jun9.html Beatles in talks to sell their music online -dave
[2004-06-09 15:30:22] - a: Yeah, it wouldn't exactly be very fair otherwise. -paul
[2004-06-09 15:28:47] - a: and I'm not a sys admin or anything either -dave
[2004-06-09 15:28:37] - a: that's true, I've never actually called them. I've fixed all the problems I've had by searching their online database -dave
[2004-06-09 15:28:25] - paul: sure. ~a
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