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[2004-06-10 16:59:24] - pierce: what kind of prices have you seen? - vinnie

[2004-06-10 16:58:13] - thats pretty impressive if you do.  or crazy.    -mel

[2004-06-10 16:57:49] - pierce: I dunno. the article doesn't say much about price - vinnie

[2004-06-10 16:52:19] - pierce: do you really read the changlogs at kernel.org?  -mel

[2004-06-10 16:50:51] - vinnie: how does that affect our tv purchase?  I've been looking at the LCD projection TVs, and they do look better in pretty much every respect except price.  Is the price about to significantly go down, is that what the article is saying? - pierce

[2004-06-10 16:46:15] - vinnie: maybe end an html comment? --> now that's </dumb> - pierce

[2004-06-10 16:30:46] - </dumb> that is - vinnie

[2004-06-10 16:30:32] - hahaha, I'm so dumb - vinnie

[2004-06-10 16:29:59] - you know what'd be useful? a "fake" tag like &lt;fake&gt;sarcasm&lt;/fake&gt; gives you &lt;/sarcasm&gt; - vinnie

[2004-06-10 16:27:20] - pierce:  yeah, when 2.4.19, i read the whole:  http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ChangeLog-2.4.19  </sarcasm>  ~a

[2004-06-10 16:25:54] - http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/10/technology/circuits/10basi.html a bright new rival to plasma - vinnie

[2004-06-10 16:18:15] - a: but yeah, I remember that bug being posted on slashdot.  It is listed on kernel.org, just not very prominently (who reads changelogs thoroughly?): http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ChangeLog-2.4.24 - pierce

[2004-06-10 16:15:34] - http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4&newscode=56430 Vishnu Bikinis. -Paul

[2004-06-10 16:12:27] - a: security through obscurity isn't "not secuirty at all", but the fatal flaw is that if it's compromised, you may never find out. - pierce

[2004-06-10 15:55:57] - http://www.chasemeladies.blogspot.com/ "no other country in the world has Big Ben" Lies! -Paul

[2004-06-10 15:55:52] - closed source is security through obscurity (security through obscurity isn't security at all).  ~a

[2004-06-10 15:55:21] - that's the root of the issue though, aaron.  a closed source con is that bugs aren't as "open" which means that they're harder to find so that means they are usually found by the developers and the black hats (evil hackers).  when they're found by the black hats, that's when the virii have enough time to be written.  ~a

[2004-06-10 15:34:03] - and well, open source has its cons i guess. so if you're going to list all of your code and bugs openly, i guess you just have to make them public enough that people will hopefully upgrade their systems - aaron

[2004-06-10 15:32:29] - if operating systems delivered pick-up lines to hackers, that's probably what they would sound like - aaron

[2004-06-10 15:30:17] - . . . don't you think that this is something they should be listing on kernel.org?  ~a

[2004-06-10 15:30:05] - pierce:  "The do_mremap function for the mremap system call in Linux 2.2 to 2.2.25, 2.4 to 2.4.24, and 2.6 to 2.6.2, does not properly check the return value from the do_munmap function when the maximum number of VMA descriptors is exceeded, which allows local users to gain root privileges"  (from the cve site) . . .

[2004-06-10 14:46:41] - Vinnie: Or blame somebody for getting their ear bit by Tyson. -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:44:49] - but yeah, if he's losing teeth, something's wrong - vinnie

[2004-06-10 14:44:26] - paul: well, if madsen ate the elbow, that clearly implies he initiated contact. you wouldn't blame a piece of chicken for me eating it - vinnie

[2004-06-10 14:41:13] - " Mark Madsen ate Shaq's elbow several times in the conference finals, and yet Madsen was called for fouling the elbow with his now-loose upper tooth, apparently." -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:19:59] - Dave: Well, I'm sure lots of speeches and such are scripted. Particularly things like John Cena's raps. -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:18:40] - paul: they might script the whole thing if the wrestler was really bad at improv -dave

[2004-06-10 14:18:15] - Pierce and Paul agreeing on something, what an unholy alliance. -Paula

[2004-06-10 14:17:31] - kinda like movies and acting. Everyone knows the movie is all actors, but you want it to be done well enough so that you can believe it -dave

[2004-06-10 14:17:25] - a: yeah, Paul's right, those comparisons aren't valid.  Screen actors take their lines like, three at a time, and they have lots of time to prepare (while the scene is set up).  And stage actors have the same lines and choreography every night. - pierce

[2004-06-10 14:15:39] - I think the important thing is that the show, or game, or whatever is done well enough so that even if it is all scripted, people can fall into believing that it is real, even if they know logically that it is scripted -dave

[2004-06-10 14:15:11] - "The fact that the wrestlers aren't actually pummeling each other into oblivion doesn't interfere with most fans' enjoyment of the phenomenon." Interesting line. -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:13:53] - a: http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/wrestling/wrestlingFULL.html If you're willing to believe this. -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:12:02] - a: I highly doubt it, but I can't really show you any evidence to the contrary. Why would they script the entire match, though? -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:11:00] - a: Law and Order isn't live, and it's not done multiple times a week all year long like wrestling is. Besides, I think it would actually be easier to just let two guys go with the flow instead of trying to script every move of the match. -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:10:24] - i think what usually happens is that the entire thing is choreographed and the wrestrlers don't have to do any communication whatsoever.  ~a

[2004-06-10 14:09:27] - paul:  too much to memorize?  are you kidding?  what about other shows like law and order; every line is memorized.  and what about plays?  the choreography there is all memorized.  ~a

[2004-06-10 14:08:31] - I think what usually happens is that the wrestlers communicate with eachother during the match if they want to do something special, otherwise I think they go with the flow. -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:07:10] - The outcomes of the matches are pre-determined, I'm pretty sure. Special events and big moves are sometimes planned ahead of time. But I don't think the entire match is scripted at all. Too much stuff to memorize. -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:04:24] - Vinnie: We what now? Scripted how? -Paul

[2004-06-10 14:04:10] - vinnie:  you should have laughed back.  ~a

[2004-06-10 14:03:45] - a: pro wrestling is scripted? I used to think that but paul and travis corrected me (and laughed at me) - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:58:30] - and by "real" i think we meant not "planned".  ~a

[2004-06-10 13:57:54] - every move is choreographed.  ~a

[2004-06-10 13:57:17] - vinnie:  but pro wrestling is scripted (not just "planning")  ~a

[2004-06-10 13:54:06] - but I wouldn't be surprised if they plan stuff like pro wrestling does - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:53:43] - a: Not for me. -Paul

[2004-06-10 13:53:36] - I don't think it's scripted, if that's what you mean by real - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:48:53] - i said it was as such; isn't that enough proof?  ~a

[2004-06-10 13:44:49] - And this also is all based on the premise that reality TV isn't real, which as far as I know, hasn't been proved by anybody. -Paul

[2004-06-10 13:44:27] - a: The difference being I never claimed that most/some people think that reality TV isn't real. -paul

[2004-06-10 13:42:09] - paul:  i'll bet a lot of people still think it's real. (but yet again, neither of us have data to back up our points)  ~a

[2004-06-10 13:37:44] - As a counter example, professional wrestling has experienced a big boom in popularity despite admitting that it's all staged. -Paul

[2004-06-10 13:32:53] - my brother got upset when I told him fargo wasn't based on a true story like it claims it was. he said it really lessened his opinion of the movie - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:31:00] - paul:  many people who watch reality tv think it is real.  i doubt they would like realty tv if they thought it wasn't real.  ~a

[2004-06-10 13:21:17] - Mel: Maybe, all I can say is that the only real appeal to me regarding reality TV is that the characters seem a lot more real than anything else I see on TV. Whether or not that's because it's "real" or just well written, I don't know and I don't care. -Paul

[2004-06-10 13:17:56] - Paul: I do think people watch reality TV because they think its real.  Plus the "reality" aspect has the added bonus that it lowers your expectations about the qualiy of the production.  The filming and acting can be significantly worse and people still watch.  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:14:33] - I wonder, does anybody watch reality TV only because they think it's real? I've only really watched the original survivor and I didn't really care that it was real as much as I just thought it was compelling TV. -Paul

[2004-06-10 13:13:19] - Mel: Nothing wrong with lesbians. They're yummy. -Paula

[2004-06-10 13:11:59] - all that reality stuff seems to be bs.  Its all planned.  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:10:59] - vinnie: The designsonthewhitehouse page is sort of confusing.  Its unclear about how the celebrity judges factor in with the real voting.  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:09:56] - paul: I thought of that too - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:09:25] - mel: who knows? maybe they don't do anything. or maybe moby uses the slogans as lyrics on his next album and margaret cho makes fun of her mom reading the T-shirts - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:09:15] - Paula: I was just saying that Zelda is gay to begin with, regardless of who plays her.  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:08:22] - Vinnie: Are we sure these celebrity judges actually vote on these things or is it the network producers and executives? -Paul

[2004-06-10 13:07:47] - Mel: I don't think it would be gay if a female were playing the role of Zelda. -Paula

[2004-06-10 13:07:30] - paula: yes, that's understandable - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:07:24] - vinnie: ah.  So what happens now, I'm sort of confused.  When do the celebrity judges do their thing?  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:06:30] - Vinnie: Fine then, a GOOD game where we can play as Zelda. -Paula

[2004-06-10 13:06:27] - mel: results not posted yet - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:06:10] - vinnie: Haha.  That site was funny.  So Zelda is gay, huh?  Paula do you still want to play the game?  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:04:43] - so didn't the T-shirt contest end last night?  what happened with that?  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:04:18] - uh, paula: http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/egm06.htm - vinnie

[2004-06-10 13:04:12] - Paula:  Haha.  well that introduces a whole lot of new problems doesn't it?  If we are worrying about Link's sword, maybe we should worry about how Zelda would look.  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:03:31] - Mel: Maybe I will. You would think that they would jump at the chance to design a 3-D model for Zelda. -Paula

[2004-06-10 13:02:44] - Paula: Maybe you should write to the game developers.  -mel

[2004-06-10 13:01:46] - I'm still waiting for the Zelda game where you actually play as Zelda instead of Link. -Paula

[2004-06-10 13:00:32] - well then, since we're not arguing, let me just say that I like the zelda games! yay for them! - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:58:55] - vinnie: I don't think ther really is one.    -mel

[2004-06-10 12:58:23] - Vinnie: Me too. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:58:16] - meeting - be back in a bit - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:58:15] - aaron: hmm, true it would be narrow.  well I don't think it would be possible for everything to be to scale.  But at least Link could be more realistically sized.  -mel

[2004-06-10 12:58:03] - paul: And boomerangs can't pick up objects and elves don't exist like vinnie said, there's a big difference in looking realistic and acting realistic - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:57:39] - i'm very confused as to what the argument here is - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:57:25] - paul: I'd leave the Zelda game alone personally. I think crappy graphics and wacky proportions can help gameplay and make a game better. If nothing else, because having less visual input helps you focus on the three or four objects which actually matter - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:56:36] - Aaron: Well, also, thrown swords would move a lot faster than they did in the Zelda game, wouldn't they? -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:55:56] - Mel: Depends, different guys have different size swords. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:55:46] - mel: But so narrow! I don't know, Link is about 5 feet tall, and a sword is about 1 inch wide. If you need to control link to dodge a sword, it seems like that's very difficult if you want to show the entire screen at once, and leave everything to scale... - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:55:21] - Aaron: Maybe. I hope you don't understand, though. I'm not against things like highlighting objects you can interact with when you mouse over them or having crosshairs to line up shots or having buttons be big and red and stand out. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:54:27] - Aaron: A sword can be pretty big.  Wouldn't it be a few feet long?  Long enough to be pretty easily visible?  -mel

[2004-06-10 12:53:47] - Paul; ah.  thanks.  yeah, I played the first version.  I remember now,  -mel

[2004-06-10 12:53:34] - Aaron: Ok, well, how would you make the original zelda game look more realistic given the graphical constraints? -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:53:34] - Didn't skeletons throw swords also? I think there were swords thrown - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:52:55] - Mig: Oh, that was an energy bolt I thought, so that would be no problem seeing it. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:51:55] - paul: See something like "Rolling Thunder" or "Bad Dudes" for something trying to be realistic looking given the graphics constraints. - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:51:21] - paul:  not really throwing, more like "shooting" your sword. - mig

[2004-06-10 12:51:06] - Aaron: I would also argue that the original Zelda game WAS trying to be as realistic looking as possible given the graphics constraints. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:49:39] - like obviously elves don't exist, so that is an abstraction, but there's a lot of things you can do to make them more photo-realistic - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:49:34] - Aaron: I don't recall throwing your sword in the first Zelda game. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:48:40] - aaron: you can judge photo-realism even for things that don't exist in our world - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:48:32] - Mel: http://www.gamescreenshots.com/fullpic.asp?category=nintendo&game_id=30&pic_id=2241&gallery=0&picOrder=0 That's what the first looked like. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:47:31] - zelda has always been a little offbeat, so wind waker wasn't that strange a game in theory. what bugged me was the promise of a realistic game and then this completely dorky other thing - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:45:57] - paul: What about stuff like, throwing your sword? If you were throwing a real sword. it would be absolutely tiny at that perspective. You would barely be able to see it. Wouldn't you rather have an abstraction then, so that you could see what you were throwing? - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:45:24] - Paul: ah ok. well then I have no idea.  -mel

[2004-06-10 12:44:41] - Mel: That was the second one. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:44:26] - Aaron: If photo-realistic graphics were capable on the NES, then I would say yes. I admit that the look of the game now has a strong nostalgic appeal to me but if there were two Zelda games in the 80s and one looked like the old Zelda and one had photo-realistic graphics, I would take the photo-realistic one in a heart beat. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:43:33] - aaron: didn't Zelda have a walking around mode and then some sort of fight mode?  -mel

[2004-06-10 12:41:49] - paul: Well okay then, the NES game. You at least understand that you were a good distance from the action, and the character was ~2 heads tall. Do you think it would be more appealing to look at if it were redone with photo-realistic graphics? - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:36:37] - Aaron: To be honest, I never played the SNES Zelda game and so I don't really know what it looked like. My guess, though, is that the SNES wasn't capable of producing realistic enough looking graphics for them to be going for truly realistic looking games. So I guess my answer would be a tentative 'no'. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:34:08] - paul: Do you think the SNES zeldas would benefit if the character had more realistic proportions? - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:28:28] - Aaron: Well, like I said, there are exceptions. And Mario (and games like Mega Man and Kirby) are probably exceptions for various reasons. Mario, because he has looked basically the same for so long, and Kirby because I don't know how you make him look realistic. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:27:15] - (and by television, I mean the real-life 30-something fat guy who played him on the TV show) - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:26:40] - paul: How about the next mario game? Maybe he could look more like his television counterpart - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:23:56] - vinnie: Hehe. I've only heard "feel good hit of the fall" so I'd really have to hear something else. That song does really funny things in my headphones. - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:20:11] - Vinnie: You suck too. -Paula

[2004-06-10 12:19:53] - Heh, and those parenthesis are supposed to be quotation marks. -paul

[2004-06-10 12:19:32] - Aaron: That's good. I guess it was just an example about how I feel. I thought a realistic looking Zelda game would be awesome, and then I see cartoon link running around and I think (couldn't this have been done on a Super Nintendo?) -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:19:22] - incidentally, I had a hell of a time looking them up at the place I normally buy CDs, because I think their search engine recognized "!" as something else - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:18:37] - aaron: if you read enough reviews, you learn their name is pronounced "chk chk chk" - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:18:08] - pierce: damn! outwitted by a sucky person! - vinnie

[2004-06-10 12:18:05] - Aaron: PC Games, I guess, still tend to stick to looking realistic. It's you damned consolers who are making things look crazy. -Paul

[2004-06-10 12:11:44] - pierce: Sometimes I wonder about that, like there's a band called "!!!" and i think - sure it's a cool gimmick. But if I called Tower Records and wanted to know if they had any new albums, what would I say? - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:11:21] - Vinnie: based on our previous message board posts, don't you then suck by association? - pierce

[2004-06-10 12:11:03] - paul: The realistic zelda game is still coming out. Windwaker just came out first. - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:10:47] - Stellan Skarsgård would be known by a lot more people if he'd only use English characters in his name.  I'm convinced. - pierce

[2004-06-10 12:10:39] - paul: I guess that's true. But for PC games? Almost everything's as realistic as possible these days. Diablo, Everquest, uhh, Unreal Tournament... I don't know. What games do you PC people play these days? - aaron

[2004-06-10 12:10:18] - Nintendo had a realistic looking Zelda game advertised for gamecube at one time and I thought it looked real cool and then when I saw Windwaker, I was disappointed. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:59:31] - Aaron: I guess I was thinking about the era of Quake II, when high end graphics cards became popular, it seemed like most games tried to be as realistic as possible because it was actually possible to look decently real as opposed to before. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:58:22] - Vinnie: Good, so they're not just making Keira prominent to appeal to young males or anything. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:57:08] - Well back in the 80s and 90s most games were pretty unrealistic. Realistic -looking games on Genesis, NES and SNES were usually pretty revolting... "rolling thunder"? "mad max"? "altered beast"? The only (arguably) good realistic games to come out of that era were, imho, fighting games... - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:56:51] - Aaron: Maybe I just didn't notice before, but it seems like there are a lot of games out there going for the more "stylistic" approach than the realistic approach that was popular around 6 years ago. Games like Windwaker and Viewtiful Joe. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:53:51] - yeah, I've not noticed a noticable trend either way for years - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:53:12] - paul: mostly starless. Stellan Skarsgård has been in a few things I've seen though - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:52:25] - paul: Abstraction trend? You mean like windwaker? I can't think of a lot of games which follow your trend. Almost all games these days are trying to be as realistic as possible - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:51:58] - aaron: interesting article, I didn't even see the link. not sure if I agree with the theory though... - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:51:05] - aaron: Heh, I actually don't like the recent abstraction trend and prefer realism in most of my games (there are exceptions, though). -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:49:47] - I just noticed that Keira Knightly is the biggest star in King Arthur (or at least, she seems to be the one that the advertising campaign focuses on the most). Is she that big of a star now or is it just a relatively starless cast? -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:48:58] - paul: I'm glad someone else noticed the thing about computer-rendered human bodies/faces though. I'm all for more abstraction in video games. - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:46:37] - I saw a bizarre statistic like that in that overweight article someone posted yesterday - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:45:49] - paul: yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:45:27] - dave: yeah. all it means is that the article doesn't say much - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:44:33] - vinnie: ahh if their definition of attractiveness included personality and likeability, then it'd be pretty ridiculous if attractive people didn't get paid more in general. No one wants to work with someone they can't get along with -dave

[2004-06-10 11:44:09] - Vinnie: That's a better way of putting it. I guess the study isn't flawed since I agree with the results. I just think that the wrong conclusions will be drawn from it. Kinda like the study that is used to show that "women make 74 cents for each dollar a man makes" -paul

[2004-06-10 11:41:12] - no = so - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:40:38] - dave: the article does point out at the end that attractiveness isn't limited to looks also, no things like friendliness and personality (as far as smiling) did get taken into account - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:40:22] - paul: If I ever got emphysema, I'd probably start smoking right away. I mean, it's not like I'm going to get more emphysema. - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:39:45] - I don't think it's a flawed study, but only because it agrees with what I've noticed. it doesn't prove anything (no cause and effect), but I agree with the results - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:36:21] - Dave: One thing I always try to do is think about what if the supposed cause and effect are reversed? Does watching violent TV cause people to kill? Or are killers more likely to watch violent TV? -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:33:31] - Paul: good point about being rich giving a person the ability to look more attractive -dave

[2004-06-10 11:32:39] - aaron:  yeah it should. I also think American born asians have a tendency to be taller than ones in asia -dave

[2004-06-10 11:32:09] - Aaron: In theory, yes, because of malnutrition. I can think of a lot of ways in which the 'discrimination' can be explained away. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:29:58] - paul: I thought about that too, especially with the height thing. Poverty (at least at an extreme level) should make people shorter, right? - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:29:22] - dave: I agree. I think there's a third variable there, friendliness/socialness... - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:29:19] - Dave: I'm sure this is mostly a flawed study that doesn't take into account that actors and actresses are mostly attractive people, though. You know what I mean? Like, they aren't comparing same jobs. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:28:28] - Dave: OR, people who are paid more can use that money to make themselves look more attractive. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:28:12] - Paul: like an attractive person is probably more likely to have had more social interaction than an avg. or an ugly person. People are just attracted to, ummm, attractive people ^_^ -dave

[2004-06-10 11:27:55] - Vinnie: I concur. -Paula

[2004-06-10 11:26:40] - Paul: I think one thing that my factor into it though (attractive people being paid more) is that how attractive a guy is may have an effect on their personalities. Like attractive people are probably (in general) more confident, outgoing, etc. Just a thought -dave

[2004-06-10 11:25:18] - why on earth would I pretend to be pierce? he sucks - vinnie

[2004-06-10 11:23:07] - I just assumed it was vinnie pretending to be pierce - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:22:53] - Pierce reads abridged scripts? I'm so confused now - aaron

[2004-06-10 11:15:17] - mig: That makes sense. I can even see some employers intentionally being biased AGAINST beautiful women ( or for "ugly" women) just to try to avoid lawsuits. -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:13:07] - paul:  i think it's subconscious but the thing is employers have been forced to be conscious about it when they deal with females, or else they face severe consquences. - mig

[2004-06-10 11:12:02] - mig: I wonder if that's true. Do you think people consciously do it, or is it a sub conscious thing? -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:11:31] - http://slate.msn.com/id/2102086/ Can computer graphics ever be entirely realistic looking when it comes to human faces? -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:11:13] - paul:  it's easier to discriminate against ugly males than it is against ugly females (lawsuits!). - mig

[2004-06-10 11:07:23] - I wonder how much of the "taller people make more" statistic is thrown off by NBA players? -Paul

[2004-06-10 11:06:57] - http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Custom/MSN/CareerAdvice/297.htm?siteid=cbmsnhp4283&sc_extcmp=JS_wi02_june04_home1&GT1=3468&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=a Attractive people make more, but the difference is more pronounced in MALES? -paul

[2004-06-10 10:55:56] - maybe ones that dealt solely in the catholic/christian/etc areas, but nothing that would have any legal bearing -dave

[2004-06-10 10:54:45] - From a strictly legal perspective, it doesn't seem like there would be any other official marriage contracts besides the state one -dave

[2004-06-10 10:48:16] - Vinnie: I think it was supposed to be directed at Pierce. -Paul

[2004-06-10 10:47:40] - oh. am I to assume that aaron's comment wasn't supposed to be directed to me then? - vinnie

[2004-06-10 10:44:03] - Vinnie: I think the quote was from the Van Helsing script, if I know what you are referring to. -Paul

[2004-06-10 10:41:42] - vinnie:  it was from the van helsing short movie script thing.  ~a

[2004-06-10 10:41:21] - Aaron: Christianity probably doesn't give you a contract (I could be wrong here) because I think it's supposed to be a contract "before God". Frankly, I think not having a contract is a good thing, that means men wouldn't have to pay alimony after divorce. -Paul

[2004-06-10 10:39:44] - Aaron: I think the only point was to show that you shouldn't inherently label somebody as crazy just for proposing that letting people vote is wrong. -Paul

[2004-06-10 10:30:59] - I don't remember it, but I missed some of the episode yesterday - vinnie

[2004-06-10 10:30:43] - aaron: was that quote last comic standing? - vinnie

[2004-06-10 10:26:01] - I like the comparison of a marriage contract to a business contract, does christianity really supply a contract when you get married? I thought the state handled that right now, in which case if the state also decides no-fault divorce is okay, then you just have accept what the state says - aaron

[2004-06-10 10:24:28] - The whole "voting != freedom" argument seems like something that makes total sense in theory, but I still don't think any alternative which would be "more free" in practice - aaron

[2004-06-10 10:07:52] - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_voxday_archive.html#108687010807678672 Ok, this will be the last one from me today. I promise. -Paul

[2004-06-10 10:06:02] - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_voxday_archive.html#108686890506430833 More good stuff from Vox Day which closely matches what I think about voting. -Paul

[2004-06-10 10:05:20] - -Paul

[2004-06-10 10:05:18] - http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/ Huey is da bomb

[2004-06-10 10:04:08] - Paul: but at least it makes sense for Burger King... you don't go there for the buns, you go there for the meat by-product. - pierce

[2004-06-10 09:29:54] - Pierce: I like the Burger King low carb menu better. It's basically the hamburgers without the buns. -Paul

[2004-06-10 09:29:21] - mig: But that's assuming that all men want women going to bars, which might be true for most men but certainly not for all, like you said. -Paul

[2004-06-10 09:26:47] - In other news, Kay Jewelers is soon to come out with a "low gold" line of gold jewelery. - pierce

[2004-06-10 09:24:28] - I mean, their business is carbs.  They should be true to themselves. - pierce

[2004-06-10 09:24:27] - vinnie: "My brides and i seem to think that the louder we are, the better we are acting." hehee - aaron

[2004-06-10 09:24:06] - does anyone else find it deliciously ironic that Panera Bread is coming out with a low-carb menu? - pierce

[2004-06-10 09:22:05] - for the record, i don't agree with that statement either, since he might have just wanted to drink alone or with his buddies and didn't want to subsidize women's drinks. - mig

[2004-06-10 09:20:42] - women benefit cheap drinks at the expense of men, but men get something back in the form of more women going to bars. - mig

[2004-06-10 09:20:04] - paul:  that is different though.  parks was protesting something that only benefitted one group at the expense of others.  "ladies night" benefits both sexes. - mig

[2004-06-10 09:16:50] - Mig: If that's true, then I strongly disagree with what he is saying. Going by that rationale (and using his own analogy), Rosa Parks obviously hated white people. -Paul

[2004-06-10 09:15:01] - paul:  i think that statement was referring to the guy specifically as being misogynst, because the only motivation for protesting ladies night seems to be that he just dislikes women. - mig

[2004-06-10 09:09:58] - Mig: But what prejudices are they confirming? Is he essentially just saying that ladies night is good for misogynists because they get to hang out with women more? -paul

[2004-06-10 09:05:49] - paul:  i think it that those against "ladies night" are misogynist.  I dunno, but that would be my guess.  As for the guy, man what an idiot. - mig

[2004-06-10 09:04:56] - Notice that nearly all the opinions voiced were liberal opinions and the heavy consultation with the ACLU. -Paula

[2004-06-10 09:03:49] - http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0610/p11s02-legn.html All this talk about letting students think for themselves is crap. What they're really trying to do is force their own liberal views on the students. -Paula

[2004-06-10 09:01:59] - http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/morris/morris16.html Ladies Night of the Living Dead -Paul

[2004-06-10 08:57:22] - http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040608-092732-3396r.htm "Misogynists have the chance to confirm their prejudices" Can somebody tell me what that means? -Paul

[2004-06-10 08:55:23] - Paul: Yeah I definitely agree with you. -dave

[2004-06-10 08:50:31] - So I've given reasons why I think it's a bad idea, is there something that makes it a good idea that I don't see? - pierce

[2004-06-10 08:49:46] - Additionally, it's an entirely needless redirection which wastes processor power (probably not a big issue to them, but whatever).  It's not like the scripts are being generated on-the-fly or anything, so why bother using CGI at all for it? - pierce

[2004-06-10 08:47:59] - a: I'm not saying it's a biblical rule, but think about if someone wanted to save those scripts to their hard drive.  Conceptually, they should all have a name like "vanhelsing.html" when you first try to save them, but instead they all come out "index.php.html" or something.  It's a bad interface because it's not what the user expects. - pierce

[2004-06-10 08:45:25] - Dave: Horry has been like 1/100 (exageration, but not by much) over the past two years in three pointers in the playoffs but I still would guard him as best I could if a three was needed in the clutch. -Paul

[2004-06-10 08:42:17] - Paul: Yeah, I agree, although Kobe was something for like 4/28 for three point shots I think -dave

[2004-06-10 08:33:11] - Dave: And that doesn't even touch on the fact that Richard Hamilton ended up guarding Kobe ALONE. You don't put somebody as short as Hamilton on possibly the best clutch shooter in the NBA today when the other team absolutely needs a game winning shot. Force Shaq or Walton or even Fisher to make the three, but don't give Kobe the chance. -Paul

[2004-06-10 08:29:35] - pierce:  where does it say that in the bible?  i'm sick of people making up shit and passing it off as the word of god.  if i want to have multiple virtual inheritance there's probably a reason.  ~a

[2004-06-10 08:23:17] - paul: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=aldridge_david&id=1818739 Larry Brown mistake -dave

[2004-06-10 08:22:46] - mig: that's what the article implies, yeah -dave

[2004-06-10 07:56:07] - i guess people are more concerned about all the money that's been wasted in iraq and all the people bush has murdered over there. - mig

[2004-06-10 07:51:47] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29652-2004Jun9.html Economy going gangbusters, but not helping Bush. -dave

[2004-06-09 22:41:32] - I know I'm being superpedantic about this, but I must make a big stink because it slightly offends my web design sensibilities. - pierce

[2004-06-09 22:40:50] - incidentally, why do people feel compelled to make multiple pages accessible only as cgi parameters?  Conceptually, "index.php" should only be the index file, not some gateway to every script on the site. - pierce

[2004-06-09 22:39:40] - hehehe, the van helsing abridged script is funny.  http://ter.air0day.com/index.php?script=vanhelsing - pierce

[2004-06-09 20:22:25] - or I forgot - vinnie

[2004-06-09 20:22:19] - I never knew you implemented in the first place - vinnie

[2004-06-09 20:21:57] - a: i saw the photos. twas neat. also, I'd use /me if you implemented it - vinnie

[2004-06-09 19:22:40] - oh man, yesterday venus passed in front of the sun for the first time in over 120 years.  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:19:22] - once "/me wonders what the other 8.010000010010000000010000100001 kinds of people are... mostly the people after the decimal point - boing"  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:18:15] - no, paul seems to like to use it pretty often.  i'll get around to it some day.  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:17:19] - I actually vaguely remember it being there... maybe I even used it once or twice. - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:17:13] - i left out the unused features (like /me among other things)  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:16:58] - oh.  well, I think it'd be cool, but if no one used it then don't bother. - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:16:25] - i didn't remove it.  by old message board, i mean before i reimplemented it (in like 2002)  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:15:50] - $ grep -ci '^\/me' data.txt    =>  27

[2004-06-09 19:15:39] - dammit, you beat me to the punch.  Still, if no one used it why did you bother removing it? - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:15:14] - a: why would I be kidding?  What's wrong with that idea? - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:14:58] - pierce:  i implemented that in the old message board and like no one used it.  i guess you weren't very much a part of the old message board.  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:14:37] - maybe with the entire post colored like their name. - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:14:32] - pierce:  i hope your kidding.  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:14:22] - pierce:  i did.  ~a

[2004-06-09 19:14:05] - a: it'd be cool if the mboard translated "/me posts a message. - name" into an irc-style "* name posts a message". - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:12:56] - *** pierce tests something.

[2004-06-09 19:12:40] - Pierce is on a business trip. - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:12:30] - Like, ages ago? - pierce

[2004-06-09 19:12:15] - Did someone say my name? - pierce

[2004-06-09 18:32:16] - vinnie:  you have a trade waiting to be rejected or approved.... - mig

[2004-06-09 17:57:58] - I guess that's not too bad... - vinnie

[2004-06-09 17:56:33] - color:

[2004-06-09 17:55:53] - too similar to mel's. 60488B? or stick with the orange if you're bored of this, a - vinnie

[2004-06-09 17:55:17] - vinnie:  that's very close to mel and very close to paula.  ~a

[2004-06-09 17:53:48] - haha, crickets - vinnie

[2004-06-09 17:53:34] - vinnie: bye!  See you tomorrow.    -mel

[2004-06-09 17:53:34] - one last try: 488B87 - vinnie

[2004-06-09 17:53:20] - http://aporter.org/msg/sign.txt  ~a

[2004-06-09 17:52:55] - heh, bye - vinnie

[2004-06-09 17:52:42] - ok, I better go do some work so I don't feel guilty later.  bye!  -mel

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