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[2004-07-02 11:47:51] - a: So is it having an opinion on how you might dislike a movie based on reading stuff about it close minded? -Paul
[2004-07-02 11:47:02] - paul: no. ~a
[2004-07-02 11:46:17] - aaron: that seems fishy...
- vinnie[2004-07-02 11:39:55] - guys: No basketball for me today! I've developed some kind of temporary allergic reaction to all things orange. It will probably pass within the weekend - aaron
[2004-07-02 11:37:43] - a: So having an opinion on how well you think you might like a movie is close minded? -Paul
[2004-07-02 11:37:39] - paul: fine. ~a
[2004-07-02 11:34:53] - a: Because based on everything I've read about the movie (and commercials I've seen) that seems like how I would feel. The part about reciting the Patriot Act in an ice cream truck sounded interesting but merely pointing out connections between Bush and Saudi Arabia without any real proof of anything didn't seem very compelling. -Paul
[2004-07-02 11:34:35] - that's like the opposite of being open minded. many closed minded people would have at least seen the movie before they passed a hasty judgement. ~a
[2004-07-02 11:33:37] - paul: in other words, your bias is so extreme that you can guess at how your bias will determine your view on a subject without even learning what the subject is. ~a
[2004-07-02 11:28:38] - but paul, how could you know what your reaction could have possibly been? you never saw F 9/11. that's like voting for an act that you never read. ~a
[2004-07-02 11:19:19] - Basketball_Group: By the way, I have to work until 5:45 today so I don't think I would be able to make it to basketball until ~7:30 so I figure I might as well just not bother coming. Please let me know if you guys do anything afterwards. -Paul
[2004-07-02 11:12:45] - http://www.reason.com/links/links070104.shtml This would probably be my reaction to F 9/11 if I saw it. -Paul
[2004-07-02 10:45:17] - a: I assume it's by choice. -Paul
[2004-07-02 10:24:18] - unaccompanied by a lawyer?! ~a
[2004-07-02 10:22:38] - http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/01/national1806EDT0693.DTL Bill Cosby has more harsh words for black community -Paul
[2004-07-02 10:20:12] - http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_SADDAM?SITE=MIDTF&SECTION=HOME Saddam Scoffs at Charges of War Crimes -Paul
[2004-07-02 10:20:06] - vinnie: there's still the anonymous offshore accounts. ~a
[2004-07-02 10:18:10] - oh no! how will every movie villain ever store their money now?? - vinnie
[2004-07-02 10:07:37] - http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040630-040808-4255r.htm Swiss ban anonymous bank accounts -Paul
[2004-07-02 09:28:17] - Travis:
I admit that I didn't know Starbury used to be with the Wolves until I saw it mentioned on that Sportscenter episode. -paul[2004-07-02 09:05:56] - "who else"? just trying to show us how smart you are?
i knew they had both of them, but not at the same time - travis[2004-07-02 08:48:25] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1833028 Suns get Steve Nash. Who else knew that the Suns used to have Jason Kidd AND Steve Nash at the same time? -Paul
[2004-07-02 03:07:08] - distances - http://aporter.org/ ~a
[2004-07-01 22:34:09] - all righty, even though i'll be busy all day, most of you slack off on friday, so here's something to kill a few minutes: http://www.livejournal.com/users/misterdreamer/ - travis
[2004-07-01 19:40:53] - we missed the 50000th post. it was dave's: http://aporter.org/msg/fivedigits.txt ~a
[2004-07-01 18:40:25] - pierce: I'm not even sure if that is a hypothesis or theory or what. I'll look up some info to see. -mel
[2004-07-01 18:39:15] - a: magnitude of escape velocity = sqrt(2) * magntiude of orbital velocity. -mel
[2004-07-01 18:37:33] - a: I'm back. I know its in a different direction. I still don't think a satellite will "fly away" in any reasonable scenario. But I just wanted to see what the magnitudes looked like to see if they were even comparable. My previous statement might seem misleading. -mel
[2004-07-01 18:00:53] - today is a bad day for my understanding of physics, I guess. - pierce
[2004-07-01 18:00:40] - mel: I know you're gone, but did the people you were talking to say how the moon's gravity keeps our atmosphere from blowing away? I mean, isn't it more likely to pull it off in the first place, if anything? - pierce
[2004-07-01 17:54:32] - a: maybe your car does.
- pierce[2004-07-01 17:19:09] - mel: "escape velocity= sqrt(2) * orbital velocity." wait wait. we have two dimensions here. escape velocity is perpedicular (in geostationary anyways) to orbital velocity. you forget that you have to make a 90 degree turn at 11 thousand km per hour (and that's before you even think about the sqrt(2) part). my car has trouble making a 90 degree turn at 11 km per hour. ~a
[2004-07-01 17:05:02] - vinnie: bye vinnie. I'm going to leave too since its pretty quiet here anyway. bye. -mel
[2004-07-01 17:03:52] - anyway, I'm off. ta-ta - vinnie
[2004-07-01 17:03:37] - mel: yeah I had heard that the moon played some part in our being able to live here. interesting stuff - vinnie
[2004-07-01 16:58:19] - vinnie: anyway, people were saying that the moon's gravity kept the solar winds from blowing away our Earth's atmosphere. Making life possible. cool... -mel
[2004-07-01 16:57:08] - vinnie: Today at lunch people were talking about different theories for how our moon was created. The moon's radius is about 1/4 that of the Earth. I didn't realize that. That's actually really big. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:51:24] - mel: yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I wonder what the make-up of the atmosphere is - vinnie
[2004-07-01 16:49:58] - vinnie: wow, sounds really cool. Like a trip back in time. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:48:39] - I'm guessing dinosaurs and cavemen - vinnie
[2004-07-01 16:48:27] - "The dense smog circling the moon is thought to hide vast ethane lakes, raging lightning storms and a large object thought to be a tall continent or a deep crater. The conditions mirror those on Earth billions of years ago, according to planetary scientists." so what will be found on titan? - vinnie
[2004-07-01 16:44:48] - vinnie:
-mel[2004-07-01 16:44:22] - vinnie: yes. hooray for thinking. I too often just let myself be satisfied with my incomplete knowledge. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:43:28] - vinnie: because on one hand, not a very big difference in velocity is necessary for the satellitle to "fly away." But its definitely a big enough difference that its significant (and would -really- affect total fuel consumption and spacecraft weight). -mel
[2004-07-01 16:43:09] - me too. hooray for thinking
- vinnie[2004-07-01 16:40:56] - vinnie: This was a good theory to introduce. It made me think.
-mel[2004-07-01 16:38:28] - the moon thing throws my theory off. I was too operating under the assumption of an "event horizon"-like orbit - vinnie
[2004-07-01 16:35:28] - pierce: That's a big enough factor where it wouldn't happen randomly or accidentally, I think. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:34:36] - pierce: actually the difference is just a factor of sqrt(2). So escape velocity= sqrt(2) * orbital velocity. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:31:24] - pierce: Let's say you were in a lower orbit. 800 km is typical for polar orbits. Then escape velocity would be 10.47 km/s and orbital velocity would be 7.45 km/s. So the difference in velocity is a large percetage of change, but at least in the same order of magnitude. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:30:06] - pierce: ok so I plugged some numbers. Assuming an orbit at 35,800 km (typical geostationary height) the escape velocity would be v=sqrt(2GM/(R+3.58*10^7)) = 4.35 km/s. Orbital velocity at the same height would be 3.07 km.s. Not such a big difference (depending on your perspective). -mel
[2004-07-01 16:12:38] - a: and "How Satellites Work" isn't that good, but I like the links to other sites. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:11:25] - a: me either. I'll plug some numbers later so we can compare velocity differences and post it here. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:10:42] - This is cool to think about: "The speed of the satellite is adjusted so that it falls to earth at the same rate that the curve of the earth falls away from the satellite. The satellite is perpetually falling, but it never hits the ground." -mel
[2004-07-01 16:08:49] - mel: v = sqrt(2GM/r). I have G, M(earth), and R(earth) on my calculator at home. i don't feel like looking them up at work. ~a
[2004-07-01 16:07:07] - a: I was trying to get some specific velocities (orbit velocity at x height vs velocity to escape Earth's orbit at the same height) to see the difference. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:06:35] - a: I don't disagree with that either. I just think its far from the realm of possibility because it would require so much more speed. Just like you say. -mel
[2004-07-01 16:05:45] - pierce: seriously?
well I hadn't haerd of lithobraking. I just looked it up. -mel[2004-07-01 16:05:19] - "How Satellites Work" seems like a theory thing. ~a
[2004-07-01 16:04:41] - "if the intended satellite goes too fast, it will eventually fly away." i never disagreed with that. i said if the intended satellite goes way way way too fast (faster than conventional satelites can go), it will fly away. ~a
[2004-07-01 16:00:59] - mel: I prefer lithobraking. - pierce
[2004-07-01 15:59:25] - pierce: ah. I think the problem is that I'm not sure exactly what a "stable" orbit really is. Let me check on that. -mel
[2004-07-01 15:59:02] - in context, that quote doesn't seem to be saying anything about thousands of miles per hour too fast. - pierce
[2004-07-01 15:58:29] - "if the intended satellite goes too fast, it will eventually fly away." seems to support what I said over what adrian said, but I'm not fully clear on the math. - pierce
[2004-07-01 15:57:49] - The Mars Climate Orbiter (1999) failed because it dipped too much, got pulled down by Mar;s gravity, and never was able to get back out into a stable orbit. -mel
[2004-07-01 15:57:48] - mel: it sounds like what I wrote, but I guess what I'm unclear about is whether a slight increase in orbital velocity (from an already-stable orbital velocity) results in a new stable orbit or whether the orbit decays away from earth gradually. - pierce
[2004-07-01 15:57:00] - Have you guys heard of aerobraking? Sometimes in order to slow a spacecrraft down, it is manuevered so it purposely dips into the atmosphere. -mel
[2004-07-01 15:50:48] - http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/satellite3.htm The link didn't work. -mel
[2004-07-01 15:50:01] - That was me. -mel
[2004-07-01 15:49:55] - pierce: "At the correct orbital velocity, gravity exactly balances the satellite's inertia, pulling down toward Earth's center just enough to keep the path of the satellite curving like Earth's curved surface, rather than flying off in a straight line" Sounds like what you wrote. I'm reading http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/satellite3.htm. -
[2004-07-01 15:47:22] - understood. - pierce
[2004-07-01 15:42:17] - I agree with adrian. but I'm not a rocket scientist either. too much velocity= new orbit. Flying away is pretty far from the realm of possibility (IMHO). Its pretty hard to leave the Earth's orbit. The moon hasn't. -mel
[2004-07-01 15:18:45] - (and most of those 1000s of extra mphs must be perpendicular to the earth's surface) ~a
[2004-07-01 15:17:38] - too much velocity = yay, new orbit! (unless too much velocity is like 1000s of extra mphs) ~a
[2004-07-01 15:16:42] - pierce: too-much velocity != flying away. ~a
[2004-07-01 15:12:56] - mel+a: are you guys sure about that? IANARS, but since satellites aren't constantly propelling themselves, aren't the essentially at the threshhold between not-enough velocity (falling to earth) and too-much velocity (flying away)? Are they designed to always have undercorrected velocities that would decay towards earth over many years? - pierce
[2004-07-01 15:01:43] - the distance from a black hole's center at which the escape velocity equals the speed of light ~a
[2004-07-01 15:00:46] - dave: yes i believe so. ~a
[2004-07-01 15:00:12] - a: so event horizon is point where light can't escape? -dave
[2004-07-01 14:59:54] - a: and when I think about it, I guess it wouldn't really apply to this situation since we know you can get away from the earth, it's just how much energy you have to apply -dave
[2004-07-01 14:59:24] - ah yes. the earth is not a black hole. light can always escape the earth no matter how close to it you are
~a[2004-07-01 14:58:02] - a: well I don't know if it applies to any large body, but I believe (for a black hole) it is the point past which you can't get back out. Hmmm, that doesn't seem right since it seems like that would depend on how much power you could use to propel yourself out with -dave
[2004-07-01 14:56:21] - dave: what's an event horizon? ~a
[2004-07-01 14:54:24] - I guess an interesting related question would be how far up are most satellites placed? If it's fairly close to the ummm, event horizon? then it'd be more likely that some would shoot off. But then again, they're probably not that high since if they did that, they would be placed closer -dave
[2004-07-01 14:53:19] - a: well, maybe if the rocket it was launched up there on somehow had too much boost, hehe -dave
[2004-07-01 14:47:18] - like. seriously. a satellite would have to go like 10000 mph to escape earths orbit. do you think it even has that capability? ~a
[2004-07-01 14:45:27] - yeess. ~a
[2004-07-01 14:44:47] - a: satellite scientist? -dave
[2004-07-01 14:41:18] - vinnie: even at high altitudes it takes quite a bit of energy to escape orbit (v = sqrt(2GM/r)). i don't think that it can easily be done unintentionally. but i'm not a rocket scientist. ~a
[2004-07-01 14:35:33] - lunchtime. back in awhile. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:35:24] - a: syntax highlighting is nice. From a programming perspective, of course. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:34:16] - vim does regular expressions and RE search and replace (which many editors do), syntax highlighting for over 380 langugaes, and advanced macros. vim has TONS of great features. just (again) i don't like their stateness when just doing normal stuff. ~a
[2004-07-01 14:28:58] - dave: that's the scenario I was thinking of. I wasn't sure how often satellites corrected for going too high - vinnie
[2004-07-01 14:24:15] - vinnie: tho I suppose if they were trying to do a course correction with a satellite and accidentally used up all its energy and couldn't correct back, then it might just shoot off. -dave
[2004-07-01 14:23:11] - vinnie: yeah, I don't think satellites ever "die" by going out of orbit, because it would need to expend energy to go away from the earth, so naturally it just collapses back onto the earth -dave
[2004-07-01 14:23:04] - a: so I guess I -could- just set up my own keymaps. But why not use some other editor that is already more intuitive? Where does vi's power lie? -mel
[2004-07-01 14:22:02] - a: I tiotally agree. There's a lot to be said for the simple utility of shift drag. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:21:40] - vinnie: but the orbit deteriorates extremely slowly if its a stable orbit, so the satelltite can stay up there for years in the meantime. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:12:45] - i am not a big proponent of vim. the thing that always pisses me off about vim is the absense of stateless editing (like we see in notepad). i think i should setup a bunch of keymaps that make vim stateless, then distribute them to the masses. (i also don't like the method of selecting text . . . i prefer notepad's shift drag) ~a
[2004-07-01 14:09:31] - aaron. global search is "/" which is one keystroke. ~a
[2004-07-01 14:07:38] - mel: gotcha - vinnie
[2004-07-01 14:07:13] - vinnie: I think they continually correct to maintain a stable orbit and maybe even stay in the same position over the Earth. But left on their own, their orbit always deteriorates. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:05:30] - mel: they never have to correct for going too high? I don't really know how satellites work, as you may have guessed - vinnie
[2004-07-01 14:04:49] - vinnie: They would have to propel themselves out of the Earth's orbit and they don't have that kind of power. So after they outlive their life, their orbit gradually deteriorates. Then they hit the atmosphere and burn up. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:03:42] - vinnie: I don't think satellites can leave the Earth's orbit without doing so purposely. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:01:38] - aaron: yes, cutting and pasting is not that easy. And I do that very often. Thats what always turned me off about vi. But it probably about time I learn to use it anyway. -mel
[2004-07-01 14:01:27] - mel: not the foreseeable future, but it would be really neat if we found it in several hundred years by accident. obviously that wasn't the point of it - vinnie
[2004-07-01 14:00:31] - do satellites always fall back down to earth when they fail or can they leave the earth's orbit? - vinnie
[2004-07-01 14:00:23] - vinnie: but will we ever retrieve it? I think of it as more like the drawing of a male and female human that was pasted on the spacecraft used in the first Apollo (?) mission. Do you know what I mean. Because do you think we'll go retrieve the signatures in the forseeable future? -mel
[2004-07-01 13:59:15] - aaron: hahaha, your mistake caused my mistake - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:58:56] - oops, not searching! cutting and pasting - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:58:34] - I never learned vi searching. i don't use it often enough. every time I want to search I have to look up the command - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:58:16] - Actually my bad - doing a find is ass easy. Doing a global search and replace is what throws me - aaron
[2004-07-01 13:57:36] - it'll be like a time capsule, except we won't know when we'll get to open it - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:57:06] - dave: yeah, so it might accomplish the same thing as jettisoning the signatures
- vinnie[2004-07-01 13:56:53] - a: I haven't used ed either. ok. well that helps me get an idea of what vim is about. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:56:37] - mel: I had learned VI back in college but forgotten most of it. The hardest thing to learn is searching. Doing a global for a string is usually like 1 keystroke in most editors (ctrl+f) but in Vim, it works out to about 4 or 5, and they're not so intuitive - aaron
[2004-07-01 13:55:47] - dave: yes, I think so. That's my impression anyway. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:54:55] - aaron: did you learn vi first? would it be hard for me to pick up vim if I'm used to emacs? -mel
[2004-07-01 13:54:44] - mel: i think emacs:lisp as vim:ed (or maybe sed, i dunno) although i've never used ed. ~a
[2004-07-01 13:54:14] - mel: is cassini just going to orbit saturn for forever, with the signatures stuck to it? -dave
[2004-07-01 13:53:23] - mel: There's a version of vim for windows i really like too. Mostly for the advanced search and replace functionality. - aaron
[2004-07-01 13:50:44] - a: cool. so... emacs:lisp as vim:?? -mel
[2004-07-01 13:42:34] - dave: thanks. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:42:04] - vinnie: about the signatures, yes. If there were some sort of purpose, it would be more interesting. Otherwise its hard for me to get excited about sending my signature off to fly around with Cassini. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:41:51] - vim is an editor very much like vi (only very much better
) ~a[2004-07-01 13:40:38] - mel: It's a unix editor I believe -dave
[2004-07-01 13:39:15] - mel: it's silly only because they don't do anything with them AFAIK. if they could somehow jettison the names down to saturn's surface that would be really cool - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:38:20] - a: so what's vim anyway? -mel
[2004-07-01 13:38:11] - vinnie: of course, logically. don't know how I missed that.
-mel[2004-07-01 13:37:09] - vinnie: I did hear about it. When my sister came and we went on a tour, they talked about it. What do you think? I thought it was a little silly. But if people get excited about their signature getting sent to Saturn, that's cool. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:35:41] - mig: //i or s///i. it works in perl, sed, and vim (vim also has :set ignorecase). in *grep, there's also the -i parameter. ~a
[2004-07-01 13:35:01] - mel: did you hear about this? - http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/96/cdsign.html - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:34:12] - *** titan proclaims "how dare you confuse me with your paltry titles!"
[2004-07-01 13:33:16] - hahahahaha - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:32:42] - mel: having an atmosphere, logically
- vinnie[2004-07-01 13:32:34] - That's funny. I can't even type title without thinking titan. One of those words things. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:32:00] - /titan Titan is coller than our moon
[2004-07-01 13:31:21] - vinnie: haha. What the criteria for coolness? -mel
[2004-07-01 13:31:05] - vinnie: me either until today. Titan may have orbited the sun at one point. Neat.
-mel[2004-07-01 13:29:28] - that makes it much cooler than our moon - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:29:27] - vinnie: to be fair, I guess we're missing the meat (real figures and calculations) becaused it was all redacted. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:29:15] - wow! I didn't know titan had its own atmosphere - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:28:16] - it did seem pretty vague - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:27:00] - vinnie: extremely arrogant. I find the document interesting because (IMHO) the whole thing seems so bullshit. It throws around all sorts of vague terms that are really overused in business management to reach a predetermined conclusion. All IMHO. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:26:19] - i don't remember that part of microserfs, but I haven't read it in a couple years - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:24:54] - yeah, the fake names are funny. mensa = microsoft alone is hilariously arrogant - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:24:09] - mel: I am disappointed. I was expecting something far more sinister - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:21:45] - reminds me of Microserfs. Which by the way, was a really good read. I took a bunch of business classes in college and the case studies always had fake names that were easy to figure out. Reminds me of that. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:20:00] - vinnie: http://news.com.com/pdf/ne/2004/msftsap.pdf Here's the real document (thanks to google) -mel
[2004-07-01 13:19:26] - probably not, which means the article is kinda silly. not even any quotes - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:17:41] - vinnie: The second sentence was supposed to be a question. Is it publicly available? -mel
[2004-07-01 13:17:18] - vinnie: No, I wish it did. Is it publicly available. All the scret names "Mensa" instead of Microsoft, Pegasus, haha. How surreal. -mel
[2004-07-01 13:14:43] - mel: that first link doesn't have the actual document, right? - vinnie
[2004-07-01 13:12:20] - http://www.wired.com/news/space/0,2697,64055,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 Yesterday night, Cassini successfully passed through Saturn's rings and entered orbit.
-mel[2004-07-01 13:09:52] - http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020505,39159373,00.htm Project Constellation, a now-aborted secret takeover bid by Microsoft of SAP -mel
[2004-07-01 12:51:22] - mig: what is vim? -mel
[2004-07-01 12:50:31] - mig: otherwise I have no idea.
-mel[2004-07-01 12:48:54] - mig: That's how I would do it in perl. /string_to_replace/new_string/i
[2004-07-01 12:47:58] - mig: Try adding "/i" to the end of the expression and see if that works. -mel
[2004-07-01 12:45:18] - i'm trying to do it in vim. - mig
[2004-07-01 12:44:16] - mig: in what language? perl? -mel
[2004-07-01 12:43:51] - does anyone know how to make a regular expression be case insensitive instead of just doing a brute force [Cc][Aa][Ss][Ee]? - mig
[2004-07-01 12:24:25] - Travis: I'm almost positive the black guy is a Boondocks character and not real. He is their neighbor and is married to a white woman if I recall correctly. -Paul
[2004-07-01 12:06:30] - that is an elementary school book though. I guess as you get older, so does the curriculum - vinnie
[2004-07-01 12:05:43] - aaron: "westing game" isn't exactly a literary masterpiece. I think it was written in the seventies, so would be considered a "harry potter" compared to most of what we read in school - vinnie
[2004-07-01 12:04:54] - dave: I never got to the third part of totc thus the whole thing is boring to me
- vinnie[2004-07-01 12:00:15] - dave: I guess past elementary school you're usually reading for a purpose, and not just reading for reading's sake - Aaron
[2004-07-01 11:54:22] - aaron: hmmm, it doesn't seem like modern teachers would be pushing students to read things like that. Maybe if it was a special ed teacher who needed to get a student into reading, but not like general teachers I wouldn't think -dave
[2004-07-01 11:53:19] - aaron: heh heh, Tale of Two Cities....so boring until the third part -dave
[2004-07-01 11:52:39] - I kind of wonder if modern teachers are pushing kids to read things like Harry Potter to encourage them to read, rather than just making them read literary masterpieces which they probably won't like - aaron
[2004-07-01 11:52:34] - vinnie: kinda like Bandits where Blanchette turns in Thornton and Willis for the reward when she's really "with" them. -dave
[2004-07-01 11:52:03] - vinnie: Probably the only book i skipped in school which I wish I had read in its entirety was "Tale of Two Cities". Most of what we read seemed long and boring. Except the poetry, which was short and boring - aaron
[2004-07-01 11:34:48] - dave: it's ralph nader tied up in that boondocks comic, i'm still confused on who the other black guy is, not sure if it's a real person or another boondocks character - travis
[2004-07-01 11:24:54] - basically in the book, they are trying to find a murderer or something and whoever finds the murderer gets some prize money. just before they discover who the murderer is, that person reveals themselves and claims the money. it struck me as retarded both then and now - vinnie
[2004-07-01 11:23:30] - aaron: it was a pretty crappy book as I recall, so you probably made the right choice - vinnie
[2004-07-01 11:23:04] - aaron: I don't think so, but it had all the words to america the beautiful - vinnie
[2004-07-01 11:22:24] - I remember some book like that was in the curriculum in elementary school. I skipped the book and just ended up playing a lot of chess (because it was somehow related to the book). - aaron
[2004-07-01 11:21:28] - vinnie: Was that some horrible mystery book in which chess was very briefly mentioned? - aaron
[2004-07-01 11:03:16] - aaron: did you (or anyone else) read "the westing game"? they had some nonsense like that I recall - vinnie
[2004-07-01 10:54:37] - dave: oooo! what's his bail? maybe i can just dress up as him and use the reward to pay my bail - aaron
[2004-07-01 10:28:11] - Paul: Hey I have a solution for your financial / house problems. Just capture Al Zarqawi. Apparently the US increased the reward for him from 10 million to 25 million ^_^ -dave
[2004-07-01 10:23:05] - who's that supposed to be tied up? -dave
[2004-07-01 09:41:27] - http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bo/2004/bo040701.gif i guess that proves paul's gun point
- travis[2004-07-01 09:29:54] - dave: I guess nudist parents. I shudder to imagine what kinds of mosquito bites you would get at a camp like that though. - aaron
[2004-07-01 09:17:12] - dave: awww. no pictures? j/k. ~a
[2004-07-01 09:11:13] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/30/nude.teen.lawsuit.ap/index.html ACLU Challenges Nude Teen Camp Ban. Jeez, nude teen camp? What parent sends their kids to THAT in the summer? -dave
[2004-07-01 09:07:50] - a: she also says that it's never the "other woman's" fault. -dave
[2004-07-01 09:07:22] - a: what's also kinda amazing is that the pregnant / left woman isn't too upset about it. She says that she'll be entirely fine with it as long as Spears is good with the kids -dave
[2004-07-01 08:39:38] - dave: probably ethical and legal. ~a
[2004-07-01 08:34:02] - yep. if you can have sex with somebody that you don't really love (so there's no breaking up time). then fall in love with and propose to somebody else in nine months. i wonder how often that kind of thing happens? ~a
[2004-07-01 08:22:59] - what's also kinda bizarre is that the mother of her fiance's kid is pregnant with a second child by him currently -dave
[2004-07-01 08:22:25] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19661-2004Jul1.html Britney Spears getting married...and going to be a stepmother. -dave
[2004-07-01 08:18:47] - "IRS letter noted that religious organizations are allowed to sponsor debates, distribute voter guides and conduct voter registration drives. But if those efforts show "a preference for or against a certain candidate or party . . . it becomes a prohibited activity," the letter said." -dave
[2004-07-01 08:17:58] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19082-2004Jun30.html article expounding on what Bush has asked of churches -dave
[2004-07-01 08:16:10] - do you think it's unethical or illegal for Bush to tell churches to tell / encourage all their members to vote? -dave
[2004-06-30 17:25:12] - haha, that's not art! - satchel
[2004-06-30 17:20:14] - Vinnie: It's po-mo. -Paul
[2004-06-30 17:19:10] - vinnie: if you're referring to misterdreamer, it's not supposed to make sense, that's all stuff i wrote when i couldn't fall asleep for a couple nights - travis
[2004-06-30 16:42:24] - Travis: That's what I've always heard. We tend to dream about stuff which we haven't actually actively thought about during the day. -Paul
[2004-06-30 16:41:06] - isn't the theory that dreams work the opposite? like you'll dream about stuff you barely noticed during the day while stuff you thought about all day won't show up - travis
[2004-06-30 16:29:14] - Aaron: It's never worked for me.
-Paul[2004-06-30 16:28:39] - http://www.maximonline.com/world_o_sex/articles/article_5891.html Reason #76 "As long as you don’t wet your pants, we’re golden: 0%" -Paul
[2004-06-30 16:22:46] - 22% success rate? I wonder what the success rate is, if you just try really hard to dream about a certain thing, without the device. - aaron
[2004-06-30 16:20:06] - http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/J/JAPAN_DREAMMAKER?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Dream machine -Paul
[2004-06-30 16:17:53] - travis: I am puzzled by your most recent entry - vinnie
[2004-06-30 16:00:50] - travis: just back from lunch. thanks for the link.
Your links recently have had me cracking up. -mel[2004-06-30 15:57:28] - i just read it today while i was waiting for a meeting so i didn't wanna start any work - travis
[2004-06-30 15:50:22] - Travis: Wow, I'm surprised you even remember that.
-Paul[2004-06-30 15:39:16] - paul: the last post reminds me of http://voxday.blogspot.com/2003_10_01_voxday_archive.html#106681453453758112 (i only found this by following the "who's the real nazi" link in miguel's journal and scrolling down some) - travis
[2004-06-30 15:03:09] - http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/158/metro/Lopsided_at_the_top+.shtml When women were underachieving it was because of discrimination, but boys are just lazy and immature. I would love to hear a news reports sometime on how women make less money than men because they are lazy and not focused. -paul
[2004-06-30 14:59:13] - http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005277 "How abortion is costing the Democrats voters--literally" -paul
[2004-06-30 14:56:34] - http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1247118,00.html Biased, but funny commentary on abstinence in London. -Paul
[2004-06-30 14:49:52] - http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/detail.asp?ID=50123&GRP=B Taiwan to import brides. -Paul
[2004-06-30 14:45:33] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&ncid=583&e=1&u=/nm/20040624/od_nm/life_marriage_dc "22 percent of single men -- said marriage just isn't for them." -Paul
[2004-06-30 14:42:02] - travis: She had to defend her friend, after the interviewer apparently laughed at her... - aaron
[2004-06-30 14:41:57] - Travis: Things that aren't funny oughta be illegal.
-Paul[2004-06-30 14:41:20] - http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-2/108737705268231.xml Ladies' night is legal again. -Paul
[2004-06-30 14:40:06] - and i like how "it's not funny" could've been said about anything since there's no way of knowing what she was talking about when she said it - travis
[2004-06-30 14:38:51] - who the hell is "16-year-old Nicole Rosado of Hackensack" and why do we care what she had to say? - travis
[2004-06-30 14:32:00] - http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-nj--abuset-shirt0623jun23,0,7839221.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire Girls are stupid, throw rocks at them. -Paul
[2004-06-30 14:31:21] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/06/23/telecoms.singapore.friends.reut/index.html livejournalesque interest matching goes mobile. - aaron
[2004-06-30 14:26:48] - travis: That's great! - aaron
[2004-06-30 14:26:19] - this just in, Fed raises interest rates .25% to bring the total to 1.25% -dave
[2004-06-30 14:11:21] - paul: "Finally, cultivate apathy, which is cheaper than Prozac and works better" damn straight - travis
[2004-06-30 13:48:27] - Pierce: Huh, ok. -Paul
[2004-06-30 13:47:16] - Paul: both. - pierce
[2004-06-30 13:44:56] - Pierce: So it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth because of what is happening to Kobe? Not the accuser? -Paul
[2004-06-30 13:44:20] - Travis: Wrong link. Try this one. http://www.fredoneverything.net/Voting.shtml -Paul
[2004-06-30 13:42:44] - Paul: because I want to be able to protect people's privacy, since despite the "official" position, public opinion still tends towards "guilty until proven guilty". - pierce
[2004-06-30 13:42:31] - Travis: http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm Are you taking his advice? -Paul
[2004-06-30 13:39:53] - no, you calling them nsfw kinda ensures you'll still be the only one visiting those pages - vinnie
[2004-06-30 13:36:54] - of course, now that i've revealed my main sources, my links will all be redundant
- travis[2004-06-30 13:36:13] - paul: hehe, just be careful, there's some nsfw pics on the page (two words: "bat cock") - travis
[2004-06-30 13:33:44] - and http://www.dailyrotten.com has lots of odd new stories - travis
[2004-06-30 13:33:13] - Travis: I'm too lazy, will you click on the link for me?
-Paul[2004-06-30 13:32:50] - http://www.diepunyhumans.com for the lazy among you - travis
[2004-06-30 13:32:27] - mel: most of it comes from www.diepunyhumans.com a research blog for warren ellis, one of my favorite comic book authors - travis
[2004-06-30 13:26:02] - re: suicide bomber barbie - vinnie
[2004-06-30 13:25:49] - hahaha, wtf?
- vinnie[2004-06-30 13:25:19] - Pierce: Why does it leave a bitter taste in your mouth? -Paul
[2004-06-30 13:09:38] - travis: how do find such funny stuff? -mel
[2004-06-30 13:08:53] - travis: I am very amused by the suicide bomber barbie. that is so wrong that I have to laugh. -mel
[2004-06-30 12:18:20] - http://www.theculture.net/barbie/ suicide bomber barbie - travis
[2004-06-30 12:17:57] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=2&u=/nm/20040630/od_nm/life_mexico_boxer_dc guns? he don't need no stinkin' guns
- travis[2004-06-30 11:58:34] - pierce: very true. I guess it's just a sore point with me that we're paying this woman who most agree (atm) wasn't raped -dave
[2004-06-30 11:54:19] - dave: on the other hand, you could read it (ideally) as: "be willing to bring rapists to justice, and we'll make sure that it doesn't financially ruin you." - pierce
[2004-06-30 11:52:54] - you shouldn't be able to harass people by bringing up suits where you enter all their personal secrets as "character evidence" or whatnot. - pierce
[2004-06-30 11:52:28] - Paul: frankly, as much as it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, I don't think protecting victims' privacies (with respect to the topics of court proceedings) are worth losing transparency in the judicial system. I do think courts need to be more strict about what information is entered into the public record... - pierce
[2004-06-30 11:51:02] - Paul: Yeah, it seemed kinda preposterous to me. Accuse someone of rape and get paid without any work for several years! -dave
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