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[2004-07-13 16:39:54] - Mel: Not a fan of looking at yourself in the mirror?
-Paul[2004-07-13 16:37:16] - dave: I think thst she was trying to imply that she didn't wear any clothes while she tanned. :-o -mel
[2004-07-13 16:37:09] - Dave: It really depends on whether or not it seems natural to me. Brown skin might look fine on a Hispanic or Indian or person of mixed race (like Halle Berry or Parminder Nagra or Shakira) but I've seen people who look terrible because it looks like they sat underneat the sun for days in a row. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:35:47] - Paul: I've heard there's a gym at my office too and no one uses it. I should check it out. The other problem I have with the gym is that there are a billion mirrors and I'm not used to that. -mel
[2004-07-13 16:29:16] - Paul: I've found both tanned and pale people attractive, tho I do think that pale asians are more attractive than tanned ones -dave
[2004-07-13 16:28:47] - Dave: D'oh. I think I meant dumbells.
-Paul[2004-07-13 16:28:11] - Dave: It used to be cool for Europeans to be pale also. The stereotype is that goths like pale and to be honest I'm not all that crazy about tanned people myself. I'm all for the natural skin color.
-Paul[2004-07-13 16:27:53] - Paul: yeah, I just brought dumbells down because I wasn't sure if I could fit the bench in my room. been trying to figure out how -dave
[2004-07-13 16:27:08] - Dave: I was thinking about buying one of those barbells that you can put varying amount of weight on. Seems like it could be a very reasonable investment. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:26:28] - another thing that I find amusing is that it's cool to be tanned in the US, right? Well for asians, it's cool to be pale, go figure -dave
[2004-07-13 16:25:52] - Mel: Well, according to the coworker the gym in our office building is hardly ever used and even then it's normally during lunchtime so I'm thinking of giving it a try after work sometime. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:25:14] - Paul: yeah, I don't like going to the gymn when other people are there either. So I brought down some weights from home. -dave
[2004-07-13 16:24:45] - paul: yeah i know what you were trying to say ^_^ -dave
[2004-07-13 16:24:21] - mel: haha, that's hilarious about your friend and the library -dave
[2004-07-13 16:20:52] - Paul: Well maybe you can find a time that isn't too popular with other people. Early enough in the morning or late enough at night?? -mel
[2004-07-13 16:18:14] - Vinnie: Definitely. In fact, I was just talking to a coworker about that and why I dislike going to the gym because I'm out of shape and not going to the gym is keeping me out of shape. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:16:40] - paul: the gym is even worse about that - vinnie
[2004-07-13 16:16:37] - dave: one of my former college roomates (of two years) used to tan on the top of the Caltech library, because it is the tallest building in the city. And she figured no one could see her there. -mel
[2004-07-13 16:15:23] - dave: haha. really?? That's funny. But you can really tan anywhere. IYou don't need the pool. -mel
[2004-07-13 16:15:06] - Dave: Well, I'm just saying that people often avoid swimming because they are overweight or pale and ironically swimming can help solve both of those problems. It's a Catch-22. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:13:16] - a feeble attempt to recreate a beach, I guess - vinnie
[2004-07-13 16:12:53] - dave: yes, I think more people use pools for that purpose nowadays - vinnie
[2004-07-13 16:11:52] - Paul: it's pretty funny, because most people usually use the pool beside my apt. for tanning, not actually for swimming -dave
[2004-07-13 16:11:25] - mig: hahaha like pierce I too liked the temporary white background. it was so readable...
- vinnie[2004-07-13 16:11:21] - Paul: well, but for tanning you don't usually swim. you just lie AROUND the water, hehe -dave
[2004-07-13 16:10:44] - Mel: Not only exercise, but also for tanning purposes. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:09:46] - it's like how they tack things on bills - vinnie
[2004-07-13 16:08:50] - mel: not sure why they conducted the poll. It was a random poll they threw in at the end of a bunch of poll's on Kerry vs. Bush. I thought it was amusing -dave
[2004-07-13 16:07:35] - sweet. thin material rules. ~a
[2004-07-13 16:07:18] - Paul; That's a good point. swimming is a good low impact excersise that can be easier to start with than running. -mel
[2004-07-13 16:06:09] - a: I think trunk may actually be better than a skirt. Because the material tends to be thin in bathing suit skirts.
-mel[2004-07-13 16:06:01] - Mel: Such a shame too, because it's the people who have something to hide that have the most to gain from swimming. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:04:34] - skirts usually work for me. ~a
[2004-07-13 16:02:09] - alright, angrypeons.com has it's new blog engine functioning and it seems to be functioning well. let me know if something is broken. - mig
[2004-07-13 16:01:17] - Paul: No there isn't. Trunks or some sort of skirt work to some degree. But that's all I can think of to make a difference. -mel
[2004-07-13 15:58:54] - Mel: *Nod* There really isn't any way to hide anything when you go swimming.
-Paul[2004-07-13 15:58:29] - dave: and why did the was post conduct this poll??
-mel[2004-07-13 15:57:56] - Paul: exactly. At the pool I used to go to whne I was growing up, some women would wear T shirts but it really doesn't hide much because when you get out of the water, the T-shirt is all clingy. -mel
[2004-07-13 15:56:59] - Mel: Doesn't seem like a shirt would do all that much anyway since it would like be all wet and clingy. -Paul
[2004-07-13 15:56:27] - Dave: Well, it was clear, but I guess I was just having a hard time believing it.
-Paul[2004-07-13 15:55:25] - dave: what a statistic! I would find it strange if a guy was wearing a shirt when they swim... -mel
[2004-07-13 15:52:22] - Paul: yeah, that's what my whole comment was trying to show. I guess it wasn't very clear -dave
[2004-07-13 15:42:36] - Dave: Strange, I didn't think that many people would disapprove. -Paul
[2004-07-13 15:41:12] - Paul: I guess our fat bellies are just too obscene -dave
[2004-07-13 15:40:55] - Paul: yup, to be specific, the poll was whether men should be able to go topless when swimming -dave
[2004-07-13 15:40:33] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/13/france.attack.ap/index.html woman lied about swastika attack -dave
[2004-07-13 15:39:03] - Dave: Meaning that 32% of people think men need to be wearing more than just swimming trunks when they swim? -Paul
[2004-07-13 15:37:04] - haha, in a WashPost poll, 65% said it was ok for men to swim with just trunks/shorts, 32% said it wasn't! -dave
[2004-07-13 15:21:50] - miguel: nope. what a huge waste of memory that was
~a[2004-07-13 15:20:05] - pierce: but i conceded. w(ho)tf are you bitching at?
~a[2004-07-13 15:04:03] - mig: oooh, you even have a little icon next to the url in my address bar now
- travis[2004-07-13 15:02:54] - a: do you have the mod_rewrite module loaded in apache? - mig
[2004-07-13 14:58:03] - i am also aware that individual entry links don't work yet. i'm working on it. - mig
[2004-07-13 14:57:12] - didn't mean to frighten anyone. - mig
[2004-07-13 14:56:58] - sorry, i've been playing with the new blogging software after i put it on adrians comp. - mig
[2004-07-13 14:53:01] - mig: damn, for a sec I thought you were switching your journal to a white background. - pierce
[2004-07-13 14:51:58] - But an assumption that makes more sense is the "whitelist" method in which a protocol is only externally relegated if the browser was actively told to do so (such as by iTunes's installer). - pierce
[2004-07-13 14:51:52] - "Shell" doesn't fit that assumption, which would make it somewhat their fault if they had told you to make the assumption in the first place. - pierce
[2004-07-13 14:51:47] - I think if Microsoft's at fault for anything here, it's because my assumption as a browser author might be that any external program that actively registers a protocol ("itms:", "aim:", "irc:", etc) with the system would know how to safely deal with any (untrusted) data sent to it. - pierce
[2004-07-13 14:23:53] - a: Hey, I've been told I have an irrational hatred of women and yet I could list all the interaction I have with them on a daily basis (although I don't really own stock in any of them).
-Paul[2004-07-13 14:23:06] - a: yes, and I hate chinese people -dave
[2004-07-13 14:16:31] - not to mention access (yes, still talking about daily basis) which they conveniently removed from their office suite. ~a
[2004-07-13 14:15:15] - add to that microsoft's programmer's suite and their office suite. ~a
[2004-07-13 14:14:11] - paul: i run microsoft's operating system on a daily basis and i own a very large amount of microsoft stock. i hope out of everybody here, i can have a rational hatred of many things microsoft. ~a
[2004-07-13 14:10:18] - pierce: i concede. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622074,00.asp ~a
[2004-07-13 14:02:51] - a: You can probably add irrational hatred of microsoft to things that at least I think you are guilty of.
-Paul[2004-07-13 14:02:50] - paul: heh. ~a
[2004-07-13 13:59:44] - a: I don't know what you're quoting... I didn't think this was a windows bug at all, just Mozilla not being strict enough in what stuff it passes back to the operating system. - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:59:30] - a: Because it came right after Travis' mention of simultaneous posting? -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:59:08] - a: It's like rain on your wedding day. -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:56:08] - paul&pierce: "Mozilla patched a MICROSOFT WINDOWS bug. So, it was Microsoft that allowed this thing to be turned lose on us, and the Mozilla "bug" isn't a bug with Mozilla at all, but one with Windows." ~a
[2004-07-13 13:54:52] - a: No one really mentions it that much anymore, but I think my chronic absence from things I was/am invited to was/is a sore point. My slobbish tendencies, too, when we were at school. - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:54:43] - i still don't see the irony. ~a
[2004-07-13 13:53:48] - a: I'm not sure what you are referring to. When I posted the same link as Pierce at almost the same time? -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:53:20] - Well, I guess I was the only person who felt like the quiz gave me an accurate result.
-Paul[2004-07-13 13:52:06] - latter. ~a
[2004-07-13 13:51:26] - a: was the question supposed to be "what do we give other people a hard time about" or "what do other people give me a hard time about"? - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:51:05] - paul: ironic? ironic how? ~a
[2004-07-13 13:50:08] - That movie test said I was a "Family Filmster". Wtf. - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:49:25] - Paul: My project is only accelerating in workload, and it doesn't end until late august, so it might be a while. - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:48:55] - dave: nope. that's not it. i guess i'll just have to settle with my original theory: they're being irrational and intentionally annoying. ~a
[2004-07-13 13:44:11] - Pierce: Same here, so maybe we'll put it off until we're both less swamped.
-Paul[2004-07-13 13:42:12] - Paul: okay, though I'm really swamped these days and I'm more than likely going to be unable to respond. - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:41:20] - a: not saying that you do, but if everyone says you hate them, then that would be my guess -dave
[2004-07-13 13:40:53] - a: I couldn't really say. If I had to guess I would say because you probably think many of their beliefs or ways of thinking are stupid? -dave
[2004-07-13 13:37:35] - Pierce: Ok, well, I just wanted to tell you that I still remember that you asked me some question about AC (although I forget what it was so I need to go look it up again) and while I don't have the time to argue it now, I'll try to argue it later for you. -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:35:50] - gotta go for a meeting, be back in awhile. -mel
[2004-07-13 13:35:48] - Paul: I got home Friday, that's how I was at the party. But I'm heading out again tomorrow morning until Friday. - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:35:15] - now keep in mind, this isn't an overflow bug or anything like IE gets all the time, where an attacker can run arbitrary code... they can arbitrarily run a given program but it has to already be on your hard drive. Now, you can almost certainly get to the former from the latter, but nevertheless... - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:34:27] - pierce: thanks.
-mel[2004-07-13 13:34:06] - wow first adrian and travis type the same thing. Then paul and pierce. trippy. -mel
[2004-07-13 13:33:55] - Pierce: Are you home from whatever trip you were on? -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:33:54] - mel: fix it here: http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=154 - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:33:31] - HAHAHA. How ironic. -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:33:24] - a: haha. perfect. -mel
[2004-07-13 13:33:17] - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1621451,00.asp Doesn't change the fact that it's a bug in Firefox. -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:32:54] - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1621463,00.asp - pierce
[2004-07-13 13:32:11] - ah, there we go, damn simultaneous typing - travis
[2004-07-13 13:31:47] - a: no comment on how it only affects windows machines? - travis
[2004-07-13 13:31:46] - yep. it was actually a windows bug, so the vulnerability affects people using microsoft's operating system. ~a
[2004-07-13 13:29:52] - paul: yes. everybody should update to 0.9+ ~a
[2004-07-13 13:27:03] - Paul: oh, ok. What Firefox vulnerability? -mel
[2004-07-13 13:25:05] - a: Did you hear about the Firefox vulnerability? -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:24:47] - mel: Yeah, I'm working with .NET but I think I got my question answered. -Paul
[2004-07-13 13:23:09] - Paul: are you working in .NET? where is the postback reference from? -mel
[2004-07-13 13:16:38] - maybe dave knows. dave: why does everybody tell me that i hate christians? ~a
[2004-07-13 13:09:18] - most of you aren't using this browser so you probably don't care. but here: http://slashdot.org/articles/04/07/13/1531240.shtml ~a
[2004-07-13 12:52:45] - " "It seems to me that this aspect of his nature is not unlike that of the powerful and willful man at the centre of his documentary," Townshend observed. " -dave
[2004-07-13 12:52:25] - "Townshend refused, saying he thought Moore's previous movies amounted to "bullying." In response, Townshend said that Moore accused him of being a war supporter. Townshend says Moore's attitude was evocative of President Bush's war on terrorism credo: if you're not with me, you're against me. " -dave
[2004-07-13 12:50:46] - "-- overbearing to people of different cultures, oblivious to nuance, unsophisticated in politics and arrogant in temperament." -dave
[2004-07-13 12:49:54] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46304-2004Jul13.html oof, not good. Apparently Moore is viewed by the International community as stereotypical American -dave
[2004-07-13 11:26:18] - What postback means. -Paul
[2004-07-13 11:25:56] - a: Well, that's kinda what I'm trying to figure out myself.
-Paul[2004-07-13 11:24:30] - paul: what does "postback" mean? files that are the output from a script are supposed to be loaded every time but i know certain browsers are dumb and don't know that. ~a
[2004-07-13 11:22:28] - vinnie: what about you, pierce, aaron, or travis? ~a
[2004-07-13 11:22:06] - mig: always check error.log and suexec logs. ~a
[2004-07-13 11:09:20] - mig: What if it's just a simple "clicking on the refresh button" thing? -Paul
[2004-07-13 11:06:20] - it is i believe if the page has received any information via a GET or POST. - mig
[2004-07-13 11:04:40] - Does anybody here know if refreshing a page is considered to be postback or not? -Paul
[2004-07-13 10:52:05] - a: nevermind, i fixed the problem. i was being stupid. - mig
[2004-07-13 10:40:51] - a: I've got plenty of things. Being a misogynist, a crazy anarcho-capitalist, hating all movies... -Paul
[2004-07-13 10:34:04] - there's probably something for everyone but I can't think of other clear-cut examples right now - vinnie
[2004-07-13 10:33:26] - a: we rag on miguel for being late - vinnie
[2004-07-13 10:33:15] - a: we rag on xpovos for messing up sentences (the braveheart one, et al) - vinnie
[2004-07-13 10:30:53] - http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040712/tech_google_7.html Google to be listed on Nasdaq -dave
[2004-07-13 10:29:46] - mig: yeah, the test sucks. some questions don't have an applicable answer for me -dave
[2004-07-13 10:28:57] - http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20040712_102754.html Nanotech the future of data memory? -dave
[2004-07-13 10:28:15] - oh, nm. I missed your first sentence - vinnie
[2004-07-13 10:27:43] - a: what? knee-jerk stuff? - vinnie
[2004-07-13 10:26:00] - a: do you know what are some causes of the error: "premature end of script headers" in php? - mig
[2004-07-13 10:22:56] - hmpf, this test is way too simplistic. - mig
[2004-07-13 10:08:45] - there's the break games and christian thing for for me. what do other people have? ~a
[2004-07-13 10:08:21] - how come you people don't have a list of things that you people rag on you people about? and how am i even supposed to word that sentence? ~a
[2004-07-13 09:43:15] - and if i actually "flip for flicks aimed at entertaining kids" then parents would be very upset at the types of movies aimed at their kids - travis
[2004-07-13 09:40:30] - I'm a blockbuster buff, I guess that describes me, dunno -dave
[2004-07-13 09:36:00] - btw, "another" shouldn't be there. that was the only movie test I've taken - vinnie
[2004-07-13 09:35:12] - yay, another test that utterly fails to describe my movie tastes. I am apparently a stargazer, which may have been the least accurate type for me out of all of them (besides chick flicks) - vinnie
[2004-07-13 08:59:31] - a: No, but it told me that I hate Christians and am always trying to break games.
-Paul[2004-07-13 08:55:47] - paul: did the quiz tell you that you hate all movies? because you hate all movies. ~a
[2004-07-13 08:53:36] - http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/07/12/ron_reagan_to_address_democrats_at_convention/ Ron Reagan to address Democrats at convention -Paul
[2004-07-13 08:40:50] - http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/caucus/quiz What type of movie-goer are you? Was pretty accurate for me. -Paul
[2004-07-13 07:58:33] - britney's husband for 55 hours "It wasn't just sex, it was really deep." -dave
[2004-07-13 07:22:29] - mig: hehe yeah, srry can't comment on your article, not registered -dave
[2004-07-12 22:49:24] - aaron: yeah. it's almost as bad as the "register for the washington post" page. ~a
[2004-07-12 22:27:38] - mig: are you talking about the "register for ny times" page? i hate that thing! - aaron
[2004-07-12 19:30:16] - http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/12/technology/12ecom.html?pagewanted=all speaking of intellectual property, i seem to keep finding reasons why it's such a stupid concept.- mig
[2004-07-12 16:49:44] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/tallest.man.ap/index.html 8 foot 4 inch man. -Paul
[2004-07-12 16:30:47] - Wow, it's 4:30 already?
-Paul[2004-07-12 15:57:06] - Paul: Agreed, the govt. subsidies would not exist, other incentives would -dave
[2004-07-12 15:53:06] - Dave: Agreedish. Competition for a business among localities is a free market dynamic, but offering government subsidies to them is not.
-Paul[2004-07-12 15:44:24] - Paul: I agree it might not be exactly the same, but areas would still attempt to give incentives to large businesses to locate their businesses there. That dynamic is a free-market dynamic -dave
[2004-07-12 15:40:22] - Dave: state corporate welfare may exist in part because of the free market but it's not a natural part of it. Whenever the government gets involved in trying to influence the free market (with subsidies or targeted taxes or regulations), it upsets the balance of the market. -Paul
[2004-07-12 15:33:52] - mig: Irregardless of whether MS and IBM receive money from the govt, I doubt it comes to bear on whether monopolies would exist in A-C, which still brings up the question of what would A-C to deal with them (assuming they're a bad thing) -dave
[2004-07-12 15:32:25] - paul: it's exactly the free-market mentality that makes that particular corporate welfare instance happen -dave
[2004-07-12 15:31:55] - paul: The state corporate welfare thing is very understandable though, and I wouldn't foresee it going away in a free-market environment -dave
[2004-07-12 15:25:23] - a: I can't speak for Republicans, but conservatives SHOULD be for tax cuts (that's the trickle down) but not for subsidies. -Paul
[2004-07-12 15:13:50] - mig: i thought repubs were for giving subsidies to large corporations (trickle down economics). ~a
[2004-07-12 15:12:10] - There are also plenty of instances where states and cities give perks to big businesses to try to get them to move a new factory or something to their location. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1998/11/02/corp.welfare.html -Paul
[2004-07-12 15:05:33] - i remember somewhere they had the list of 100 or so companies that received corporate welfare checks and i do know that MS and IBM were two of those companies. - mig
[2004-07-12 15:04:15] - dave: what's even funnier is that a republican led congress voted down the cut backs on funding. - mig
[2004-07-12 13:47:20] - mig: what's amusing is the article you posted pointed out that Bush tried to cut back on that funding -dave
[2004-07-12 13:45:01] - mig: so it is not excusively targeted at large businesses either -dave
[2004-07-12 13:44:43] - mig: but the energy portion of the funding also funds smaller entities such as the college I posted an article about that was researching small glass spheres to contain hydrogen for fuel cells -dave
[2004-07-12 13:43:24] - mig: I take that back, the energy portion of the funding is probably targeted at large businesses, but that clearly doesn't include IBM or MS. GM probably does receive subsidies to research hybrid vehicles/fuel cell cars tho -dave
[2004-07-12 13:41:04] - mig: that funding is not targeted towards large businesses. In fact, a portion of that funding, SBIR, is exclusively for small businesses -dave
[2004-07-12 13:18:58] - mel: http://www.cato.org/fiscal/corporate-welfare.html - mig
[2004-07-12 13:13:53] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1838214 payton wants out if shaq is traded - travis
[2004-07-12 12:53:00] - s/raec/read -mel
[2004-07-12 12:52:50] - mig: where did you get this information? It's not that I don't believe you, but I want to raec morw about this. -mel
[2004-07-12 12:47:28] - there's like a pool of a ton of money given every year to big companies like ibm, ms, and gm, and other companies as "economic stimulus" bills. - mig
[2004-07-12 12:43:30] - dave: corporate subsidies. - mig
[2004-07-12 12:42:05] - mig: The laws etc. that the govt. have are almost all geared towards fostering new business, so they are targeted at small starting businesses. -dave
[2004-07-12 12:40:20] - mig: are you sure? free money from the govt for what? If anything, small businesses get more tax breaks / incentives than large businesses do. -dave
[2004-07-12 12:30:10] - well i know they do get free money from the government. - mig
[2004-07-12 12:26:55] - mig: what type of special government priveleges does Microsoft get? -mel
[2004-07-12 12:14:58] - in the free market you have to rely solely on the strength of your product and the willingness of your consumers to buy that product, instead of relying on special government priveleges and regulations locking consumers to your product. - mig
[2004-07-12 12:14:06] - dave: one would argue that monopolies like Microsoft occur much more easily under our current system then they would in a free market. - mig
[2004-07-12 11:50:00] - "We can't stop here, this is Pelican country."
[2004-07-12 11:44:16] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/12/fooledpelicans.ap/index.html Pelicans crashing into asphalt in Arizona, thinking it is water -dave
[2004-07-12 11:30:37] - dave: i know, but the list is the size of a phone book, so i'm looking to narrow it down - travis
[2004-07-12 11:18:48] - http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/12/technology/apple_itunes/index.htm?cnn=yes Person who downloaded 100 Millionth song from iTunes won Powerbook, 40GB iPod, and 10,000 iTunes songs -dave
[2004-07-12 11:07:56] - travis: you should check with your health-plan / insurance to see if they have a list that they allow you to go to. Some plans will only let you go to a specific set. -dave
[2004-07-12 11:01:39] - does anyone have a doctor they recommend i go to? i wanna get my knees checked out but it's been years since i've been to a doctor - travis
[2004-07-12 11:00:23] - Pierce: I suppose you're right though, it runs into practical problems of "if they don't like the results then they will go vote." Also, it'd be kinda disheartening if they got to vote again, but knew beforehand that even if all the non-voters voted one way it would make no difference -dave
[2004-07-12 10:59:08] - Pierce: Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of, if there's a terrorist attack or natural disaster that prevents X number of people from voting in an area, allow them to vote on another day -dave
[2004-07-12 10:58:20] - Pierce: Hehe, I was trying to save some money, especially because I almost never watch tv myself. It's almost exclusively for when people come visit me -dave
[2004-07-12 10:56:14] - Although of course I realize that that's an ideal, and that you can't always draw the line that clearly and eventually you just have to say "these are the results, like it or not". - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:54:49] - dave: yeah, I agree... people should essentially be allowed to vote no matter what happens, within all reasonable limits. I mean, I don't want to allow people to vote just because they were too lazy on election day but decided they didn't like the outcome, but if someone genuinely tried to vote and couldn't, they should get another chance. - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:51:41] -
[2004-07-12 10:51:38] - dave: I bet Best Buy does. - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:47:21] - incidentally, does anyone have a TV (20"+) they'd be willing to sell? -dave
[2004-07-12 10:46:49] - Pierce: I suppose that's true that you wouldn't want to postpone an election just based on a vague fear that there may be an attack. I was more thinking that if there WAS one, it'd make sense to somehow try to allow those people to vote, or to allow the situation to sort itself out -dave
[2004-07-12 10:45:37] - pierce: yeah, I don't know really know if Bush is/would be more effective or not -dave
[2004-07-12 10:42:32] - pierce: they hold it that day anyway. even if the voting booths are covered in deadly ash or magma - vinnie
[2004-07-12 10:40:11] - Incidentally, what is the policy for, for example, a polling location that's hit by a natural disaster on election day? Do the people who can't make it there get another opportunity to vote? - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:38:52] - similarly, to modify our elections based on our fear of terrorist attack would simply show the terrorists that such an action would work, and therefore makes us more likely to be attacked. That's why I don't believe in postponing the election. - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:37:30] - "them" being the terrorists. - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:37:06] - Dave: while I (probably) disagree with you on whether he is more effective, I'll agree with that reasoning. It irks me to see people who advocate a "spite" vote against what they see as the terrorists' interests, since that really just shows them how effective their actions are at inspiring fear into Americans. - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:32:36] - Pierce: No, I wouldn't advocate voting for Bush because the terrorist might like Kerry more. However, if it was indeed true that Bush was more effective against the terrorists, then I would say that's a plus for him in my book -dave
[2004-07-12 10:31:10] - another question about entirely free-market systems: it doesn't seem like there would be anything to stop monopolies, say like Microsoft -dave
[2004-07-12 10:30:50] - dave: just to check, are you someone who advocates voting for Bush because the terrorists might like Kerry more? - pierce
[2004-07-12 10:24:02] - vinnie: I'm not sure on who they would want elected, but my guess would be Kerry over Bush, since Bush seems more likely to pro-actively go after them than Kerry, but I'm not positive on that one -dave
[2004-07-12 10:23:19] - vinnie: they do have certain authentication methods, like the article talked about how Rolex (?) had a proprietary stamp on one of the parts inside the watch. But that got copied. Article said that even Rolex was having a hard time differentiating the copied watches from their own watches -dave
[2004-07-12 10:11:37] - dave: who do the terrorists want elected anyway?
- vinnie[2004-07-12 10:10:34] - but I think it'd still be less efficient economically - vinnie
[2004-07-12 10:10:01] - dave: here's where I go all paul and say that if we didn't have IP, companies would have been more willing to invest in authentication methods, like how we have on money - vinnie
[2004-07-12 10:08:04] - mig: yeah, it seems best not to move it...but then I think what if it was in a swing state (which would make sense from a terrorist perspective) -dave
[2004-07-12 10:07:01] - mig: but that's just it, it's not working itself out, even with IP. -dave
[2004-07-12 10:05:09] - dave: that's an interesting question, whether it would get moved or not if there was a terrorist attack could be politically advantageous to one side or the other. However, i'd be inclined to say no to moving simply because it opens the door to being able to postpone elections indefinitely, which is obviously not a good thing. - mig
[2004-07-12 10:02:48] - dave: that's one of the things that will work itself out in a free market. yes, some people will be scammed, but the scammers get exposed eventually. - mig
[2004-07-12 10:02:13] - on a sidenote, it's kinda funny that on the main CNN page, Bush is wearing blue and Kerry white (shirts) and then in the article page, Bush is wearing white and Kerry blue -dave
[2004-07-12 10:01:38] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/11/election.day.delay/index.html discussion on postponing the pres. election if a terrorist attack occurs on or very near election day. Should they be able to do this? -dave
[2004-07-12 09:58:14] - mig: well, I think wade is one of the reasons shaq is going there, so it wouldn't exactly work if he was traded away -dave
[2004-07-12 09:46:48] - the lakers don't get Dwyane Wade? dumbest deal ever if it goes down as the story says it does. - mig
[2004-07-12 09:10:55] - or work twice as fast?
[2004-07-12 08:51:09] - Dave: Or surf twice as fast!
-Paul[2004-07-12 08:50:41] - Paul: so you can surf and work at the same time! -dave
[2004-07-12 08:50:24] - Paul: haha, dang. that's pretty cool. two! -dave
[2004-07-12 08:33:56] - Don't expect me to post very much today but I just thought I would check in this morning and say that I'm sitting at my desk with what appears to be two brand new 19"+ LCDs for me to use. I'm in love.
-Paul[2004-07-12 08:32:27] - Dave: "really fast" -Paul
[2004-07-12 08:18:57] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index Shaq probably going to the Heat -dave
[2004-07-12 07:54:58] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43624-2004Jul12.html software engineer nears 1 million on Jeopardy -dave
[2004-07-12 07:39:15] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43149-2004Jul11.html bank robberies in the Washington area. Authorities still have no clues -dave
[2004-07-12 07:33:38] - so, given that it is a bad thing to scam people, how would this be stopped in a no IP, free-market, environment? BTW, sometimes legitimate stores that sell the real items have been duped into buying the fake items -dave
[2004-07-12 07:31:33] - Oops, and the people buying the item thinks it's the real thing, not a fake -dave
[2004-07-12 07:30:54] - so wheras the original would last say 5 years, the copy will last say half a year -dave
[2004-07-12 07:30:40] - This brings up the issue of Intellectual Property. For all those free-market no IP people, should this be allowed to occur? People are sometimes paying full-price ($300-$400) for an item that is copied to look almost exactly the same (forged certificates of authenticity) but made out of substandard materials. -dave
[2004-07-12 07:28:24] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43030-2004Jul11.html article on China counterfeiting high-dollar items (Armani, Gucci, etc) and then reselling them. Sometime legitimate stores in the US get duped. -dave
[2004-07-12 07:18:06] - travis: I don't get it "really past in your carts" ?? -dave
[2004-07-11 23:54:04] - hey adrian can you upgrade mysql on your machine. the database i'm trying to import into your machine is complaining about a syntax error, but it imports fine when i do it from my machine. - mig
[2004-07-11 22:26:40] - http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040709l.jpg so, how many of you want to play golf now?
- travis[2004-07-10 13:46:53] - voulez-vous couchez avec moi, ce soir?
[2004-07-10 11:23:00] - Vinnie: Adouis, je'let marquis mondous, avec weekend - Board
[2004-07-09 17:06:14] - mel: happy belated b'day, btw. now I am off for the weekend! - vinnie
[2004-07-09 17:05:36] - mel: basically inconsistency and boringness - vinnie
[2004-07-09 16:57:42] - vinnie: The fans often get bitter when the writers aren't consistent with their characters. I didn't see the later season of buffy, so I'm not really sure what happened. -mel
[2004-07-09 16:54:23] - mel: they all seem very very bitter about S6 and S7. only a couple people dared to defend them and they were usually FAQ'd to death - vinnie
[2004-07-09 16:53:30] - mel: and buffy needs the term often in the later seasons
- vinnie[2004-07-09 16:52:46] - vinnie: I orginally started out reading the Buffy threads.
-mel[2004-07-09 16:50:49] - vinnie: I think so too. -mel
[2004-07-09 16:49:53] - mel: haha, yes. I figured that out after a couple usages. good term - vinnie
[2004-07-09 16:45:38] - have you heard the term fanwanking? they use it a lot. It's when the character's motivation is unclear and so the fan makes one up that is consistent with whatever the fan wants to believe. -mel
[2004-07-09 16:44:25] - yes. especially if you have some favorite shows. -mel
[2004-07-09 16:43:48] - vinnie: yes, I thought that was strange. Most of what I find interestign is people's opinions anyway, Hopefully backed up by the character's actions in particular scenes. -mel
[2004-07-09 16:42:30] - but yes, an interesting place - vinnie
[2004-07-09 16:41:54] - mel: also, have you noticed that one of the things on the faq is "don't post your opinion as fact"? that one struck me as odd, since most of the people rightfully don't add "IMO" to every post - vinnie
[2004-07-09 16:41:28] - vinnie: yes, I was surpised too. It made me think twice about posting. -mel
[2004-07-09 16:41:05] - vinnie: before I started using this board, I spent a lot of time reading the twop boards. I was just lurking. But I was amazed- there were some good insights that I read about different plotlines or characters. It made me see tv shows in a whole different way. It made me expect a little more from them. And question the writers more. -mel
[2004-07-09 16:40:49] - oh, god yeah. some people are so quick to bring up that faq. I was surprised how little deviation from topic they tolerate - vinnie
[2004-07-09 16:38:16] - vinnie: I lurk too. At first it took my awhile to pick up on the etiquette anyway. I saw people get flamed because they didn't read the FAQ and so they signed their name at the end of the post. -mel
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