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[2004-07-16 13:10:18] - mel + vinnie: yay! My posts aren't / weren't useless ^_^ -dave
[2004-07-16 13:06:10] - Travis: Once again displaying the bias for offense and against defense.
-Paul[2004-07-16 13:00:36] - Vinnie: My guess is that he was talking about people who memorize opening moves and the like instead of thinking out the positions. But that's just a random guess. -Paul
[2004-07-16 12:59:44] - *** vinnie wonders how you cheat at chess
[2004-07-16 12:55:00] - Travis: Well, I was originally going to comment on how silly it is that they were going to extradite him for illegally playing a chess match but when I read his anti-Jewish remarks it got me to thinking about why Jews seem to always be the target of hatred like that. -Paul
[2004-07-16 12:52:34] - dave: I'm registered with wpost too. -mel
[2004-07-16 12:41:15] - paul: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1840261 uh oh, more offense in football games - travis
[2004-07-16 12:34:18] - playing chess during sanctions seems like a silly reason to arrest a guy 14 years after the fact, same with the guy in korea who deserted almost 40 years ago - travis
[2004-07-16 12:33:22] - paul: that whole article and your point of discussion is the one sentence about anti-jewish remarks? that was the least interesting part of that article - travis
[2004-07-16 12:27:15] - aaron: I e-mailed you - vinnie
[2004-07-16 11:59:50] - http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2580826 Why is Jew-hating seemingly so common? -Paul
[2004-07-16 11:29:33] - I'm registered with wpost - vinnie
[2004-07-16 11:20:57] - Dave: Not wanted? -Paul
[2004-07-16 11:19:17] - Paul: Ouch. I guess I'm not wanted
-dave[2004-07-16 11:18:23] - what I found interesting was that Kerry believes in the beginning of life at conception -dave
[2004-07-16 11:18:05] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53105-2004Jul15.html Kerry not very vocal about his faith -dave
[2004-07-16 11:14:41] - Just out of curiosity, and this isn't meant to sound insulting at all, but is anybody here registered with WashingtonPost.com besides Dave?
-Paul[2004-07-16 11:13:29] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54591-2004Jul16.html martha stewart gets 5 months in prison, 5 months home confinement -dave
[2004-07-16 11:07:08] - a: Then since it's "obvious" that gun control laws lead to higher crime rates, shouldn't they be advertising that fact? -Paul
[2004-07-16 11:04:25] - paul: brb (two hours) ~a
[2004-07-16 11:04:04] - paul: sure. ~a
[2004-07-16 11:02:28] - a: *Shrug* Then I'll ask you if Democrats want what's good for families. -Paul
[2004-07-16 11:01:29] - *** a rips up paul's resignation then quickly realizes that he didn't fix the apostrophe bug.
[2004-07-16 11:00:32] - your resignation is not accepted. ~a
[2004-07-16 10:59:26] - a: Resignation. -Paul
[2004-07-16 10:59:06] - paul: sarcasm? ~a
[2004-07-16 10:37:53] - a: No, you're right. Video games don't make people more violent. It's a fact. My bad. -Paul
[2004-07-16 10:30:30] - or are you saying that the tons of studies that say that violent games don't make people more violent aren't proof enough? ~a
[2004-07-16 10:29:56] - i think you're confusing me. i believe that the afa wants what's good for families. so you're saying that isn't true? ~a
[2004-07-16 10:27:55] - a: You forget that just because you believe something doesn't mean it's true. -Paul
[2004-07-16 10:26:05] - but doesn't the afa want what's good for families? if it's obvious violent video games have no imact on violence in teens, then shouldn't they be advertising that fact? ~a
[2004-07-16 10:22:56] - a: Why do the candidates you vote for tend to agree with you on the issues while the candidates you don't vote for tend to disagree on the issues? -Paul
[2004-07-16 10:21:12] - a: or they're just not going to publicize the studies that don't -dave
[2004-07-16 10:17:20] - a: Because the AFA is not likely to want to sponsor a study which says something they don't believe in.
-Paul[2004-07-16 10:10:12] - re: violent video game law. why is it that all the studies that the afa sponsors say that violent video games beget violence . . . while all the studies not sponsored by the afa say the opposite? ~a
[2004-07-16 10:03:58] - Travis: Except the female secretary might've gotten a wee bit offended. -Paul
[2004-07-16 09:57:36] - paul: i saw stuff about that earlier but couldn't find any safe links, and c'mon, you're in an office of geeks, a few porn popups won't be out of place, right?
- travis[2004-07-16 09:45:30] - vinnie: I'll show up if you and nithin can come. Or we can just do something different. What do you think? - aaron
[2004-07-16 09:39:31] - http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0428/mondo6.php Would you agree not to vote for Bush in exchange for sex with a liberal? Page should be sfw, but don't click on any of the links (as I found out). -Paul
[2004-07-16 09:20:31] - i can lend aaron my ball if there's enough of you all though. - mig
[2004-07-16 09:20:07] - i'm out for today. going to be busy. - mig
[2004-07-16 09:10:11] - but out of those people, only miguel has a ball - vinnie
[2004-07-16 09:09:48] - aaron: I think nithin said he could come - vinnie
[2004-07-16 08:59:22] - Violence against police officers... Yeah I'll bet "Simpsons Hit And Run" would fall under it. I'm trying to think of a sillier example of a not-very-violent game falling under this law but it's not so easy - aaron
[2004-07-16 08:55:28] - So who is going to basketball? Vinnie, Miguel, Sam? Me? Four people wouldn't be so bad. We need to make sure we have a ball. - aaron
[2004-07-16 08:43:30] - bball: I might not be able to make it to basketball either today. I'm going to stick around until I feel like it's acceptable to leave for at least my first Friday at the new job. Hopefully that will give me a feel for whether or not it's reasonable to leave ~5:30 every friday from then on. -Paul
[2004-07-16 08:19:36] - http://www.idsoftware.com/firstweb/business/press/index.php?date=20040714000000 Doom 3 goes gold -dave
[2004-07-16 08:17:36] - http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Violent%20Games violent video game law struck down in Washington state -dave
[2004-07-16 07:53:49] - I suppose some of this feeling may come from the fact that I don't have that much money and can't see how much a diff. that extra mil makes -dave
[2004-07-16 07:52:57] - like I understand the difference is decent in getting paid 6 mil or 7 mil a year, but is it really worth the negatives that come with it, e.g. boozer? -dave
[2004-07-16 07:51:47] - you know what I can't completely understand? Why so many NBA players will give away so much for more money. -dave
[2004-07-16 01:03:54] - aball: get a room, you two! - pierce
[2004-07-15 23:35:29] - bball: you want to go out to dinner some time? ~a
[2004-07-15 22:54:10] - bball: my absence is still acting up so I'm not going to be at basketball on Friday. - pierce
[2004-07-15 20:49:17] - bball: my knee's still acting up so i'm not gonna be at basketball on friday - travis
[2004-07-15 20:25:50] - lonely
[2004-07-15 16:40:32] - *MSNers - vinnie
[2004-07-15 16:40:17] - I know a couple MSNs - vinnie
[2004-07-15 16:36:03] - pierce: I know some MSNers too. -mel
[2004-07-15 16:29:36] - Pierce: well the sticking point is that I think they're not joining the commercial versions, just the corporate ones, whatever that means -dave
[2004-07-15 16:19:06] - i know some MSNers. ~a
[2004-07-15 16:15:40] - do you guys know anybody who primarily uses MSN or Yahoo? I don't (maybe one yahooer, I forget). I wish they'd hook up with something like Jabber, but of course that would eventually negate any market advantage they have. - pierce
[2004-07-15 16:08:57] - Dave: I'm more interested in seeing how the Jazz and Rockets do. -Paul
[2004-07-15 16:08:34] - so you will be able to have buddies and IM people on any of the three networks -dave
[2004-07-15 16:07:45] - http://arstechnica.com/news/posts/20040715-3996.html AOL, Microsoft, and Yahoo going to connect up respective Instant Messaging in the corporate arena -dave
[2004-07-15 16:06:07] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51465-2004Jul15.html Emmy nominations -dave
[2004-07-15 16:03:47] - vinnie: well they're still working on a deal. I think atm, the plan is for the Nets to sign him for seven years and then give him to Denver for 3 first round picks -dave
[2004-07-15 16:03:30] - they could use a good SG more though - vinnie
[2004-07-15 16:03:02] - kmart in denver? I like it - vinnie
[2004-07-15 16:02:47] - Paul: it will be interesting to see how well the new Lakers and Heat do. -dave
[2004-07-15 16:00:29] - Travis: They didn't announce it until like 3:15.
-Paul[2004-07-15 15:56:32] - i assume people have read about kenyon martin going to denver (for three first round draft picks) after all although it's still not final - travis
[2004-07-15 15:55:23] - Paul: were you just sitting on ESPN.com until 3pm since that's when he was supposed to make the call?
- travis[2004-07-15 15:54:58] - so essentially i was getting at what adrian just said with his point B ("can be true if she has low standards of what is considered a reason") - travis
[2004-07-15 15:54:46] - Travis: Ok. -Paul
[2004-07-15 15:53:38] - Paul: "Are you talking about people being offended by guns?" i was talking about people being easily offended and thus having a lower threshold for what constitutes "self defense" - travis
[2004-07-15 15:50:15] - B. if she comes on to me and i give her a kiss . . . is that a good enough of a reason to mace me? ~a
[2004-07-15 15:47:13] - A || B || C => you dead. ~a
[2004-07-15 15:47:05] - "in order to be reasonably afraid of a girl with mace you would either (A) have to believe she was crazy and would use it on random people OR (B) believe that you would do something to make her want to use it on you." A. can be true. B. can be true if she has low standards of what is considered a reason. C. it's an accidental shooting. ~a
[2004-07-15 15:28:37] - *** vinnie wonders if it's too late to take up mig on that bet...
[2004-07-15 15:20:56] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1840336 Bryant staying a Laker. -Paul
[2004-07-15 14:08:09] - aaron: I take that back, you said it better, it usually boils down to some fundamental difference that seems really bizarre to us and not to him -dave
[2004-07-15 14:04:01] - aaron: I don't think I've ever felt that I've convinced him of anything ^_^ -dave
[2004-07-15 14:03:47] - aaron: Paul's a very stubborn person ^_^ -dave
[2004-07-15 13:19:05] - Aaron: My bad, you're right. -Paul
[2004-07-15 13:17:09] - You never yield anything in these kind of arguments, and inevitably our differences boil down to something fundamentally different you believe, like "it is not rational to fear death" - aaron
[2004-07-15 13:02:15] - Aaron: You give up? Why? -Paul
[2004-07-15 13:01:46] - paul: I give up. - aaron
[2004-07-15 13:00:40] - paul: In any case she's clearly capable of greater harm than an unarmed person - aaron
[2004-07-15 13:00:05] - Aaron: Or, perhaps put a better way, do you think there is such a thing as an irrational fear? -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:59:00] - Aaron: So is it irrational to not fear driving then? -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:58:59] - paul: You'd have to assume that her view of reasonable is the same as your view of reasonable, and that she knows which end points forward as well - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:57:40] - I don't have statistics on it but I'll bet the number of people stabbed each year by people not carrying knives is very low - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:57:22] - Is it rational to fear someone who is openly carrying weapon? Yes..... - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:57:21] - Aaron: It seems to me that in order to be reasonably afraid of a girl with mace you would either have to believe she was crazy and would use it on random people OR believe that you would do something to make her want to use it on you. -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:56:15] - Aaron: Right, but is that reasonable? I think that was my original point. -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:55:17] - Travis: It probably doesn't matter legally but it would matter regarding who people would feel more sympathetic to I think. -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:54:52] - paul: If i went to a bar, and there was a girl openly carrying mace, I would probably stay the hell away from her - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:54:41] - Travis: Are you talking about people being offended by guns? -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:54:19] - paul: i'm not sure, but does that even matter? the guy's name was trademarked or anything and the character is nothing like the real guy (one of the thread's comments has pics) - travis
[2004-07-15 12:54:08] - Aaron: Would you feel the same way about stuff like mace or stun guns? -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:53:12] - paul: Perceived self defense, yes - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:53:06] - Paul: some people are very easily offended, though... - travis
[2004-07-15 12:53:05] - Travis: Did McFarlane know that a real person with that name existed when he created the character? -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:51:45] - Aaron: Ok, and by your own admission, the purpose (75% of the time) is for self defense. -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:51:24] - http://www.comicon.com/thebeat/archives/00000040.htm guy named "tony twist" gets $15 million because a spawn character has the same name as him - travis
[2004-07-15 12:50:17] - Paul: I'm saying if a person is carrying an object, it is reasonable to think "maybe they plan to use that object for its designed purpose" - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:49:12] - Aaron: So you're saying it's reasonable to fear something more if it has fewer purposes than harming somebody? -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:47:57] - Aaron: Assuming you're right, then you shouldn't be afraid of a person with a gun unless you're planning on breaking into their house during the night.
-Paul[2004-07-15 12:47:29] - African americans serve a much broader purpose than wounding/killing people so it's less rational to fear them - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:46:35] - paul: I would speculate at least %75 of people buy guns specifically for self defense i.e to shoot people they find in their house in the dark - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:43:37] - Aaron: I'm not sure what your point is, but I think we agree.
-Paul[2004-07-15 12:43:12] - Aaron: It sounded like Adrian was arguing that it's reasonable to be afraid of guns because they can hurt you and I was going to say that if that's true, then it's reasonable to be afraid of African Americans because they can hurt you. -Paul
[2004-07-15 12:39:46] - Alcohol poisoning kills a lot more people each year than antifreeze poisoning. So why are people so afraid of drinking antifreeze? It's infinitely more reasonable to be terrified of drinking alcohol - aaron
[2004-07-15 12:38:25] - paul: Can you clarify your "african americans" point? - aaron
[2004-07-15 11:39:47] - in the future, rather -dave
[2004-07-15 11:39:32] - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17225 Big wigs decide to allow backup copies of DVDs for future -dave
[2004-07-15 10:53:47] - Dave: I'm not talking to you.
Seriously, I don't think we disagree here since we both think that people are (like you say) irrational in what they fear. I'm more trying to see how Adrian backs up his implications. -Paul[2004-07-15 10:48:17] - Paul: yeah, like I said, I understand your point and agree to a certain extent, I was just trying to present the case that people in general aren't reasonable in the things they fear, like being afraid of air-travel over car-travel even tho car-travel is much more dangerous -dave
[2004-07-15 10:28:57] - mig: http://www.libertyunbound.com/archive/2004_08/bradford-dark_horse.html You're probably the only person here who would find this interesting. -Paul
[2004-07-15 10:24:57] - a: It seems infinitely more reasonable to be terrified of cars, since you're a lot more likely to be killed by a car than by a gun. -Paul
[2004-07-15 10:24:04] - a: And I never said guns aren't dangerous, but I just think it's a little silly to be so horribly afraid of the mere existence of such a device that you feel the need to call cops and have them remove it from your sight. -Paul
[2004-07-15 10:19:53] - a: Then is it rational to be afraid of african americans? -Paul
[2004-07-15 10:18:35] - a: I would also imagine that it's illegal to take a gun into certain places. Like if a restaurant required patrons to wear shoes/shirts, why not have a no-gun policy as well? -dave
[2004-07-15 10:16:14] - on a side note . . . it is legal for a store clerk to refuse to serve someone with a gun. ~a
[2004-07-15 10:14:37] - dave: i'm surprised that paul doesn't think guns are dangerous. maybe he hasn't been shot by one yet. ~a
[2004-07-15 10:10:46] - a: yeah, some of the fears are rational, I guess I kept on saying irrational because I understand Paul's viewpoint that from an entirely logical perspective, some of the instances would not be half as intimidating -dave
[2004-07-15 10:03:29] - dave: yeah, that's precisely it. also the fact that many people don't know about this law (I certainly didn't). if I thought it was illegal to carry a gun into a starbucks and someone did it, I would assume they were gonna rob the place - vinnie
[2004-07-15 10:02:57] - dave: quit saying "irrational". all of the fears you listed are very rational. guns kill people accidentally and intentionally all the time. that's what they do. ~a
[2004-07-15 09:57:52] - Paul: It's like if you were walking to your car in the parking lot and you saw a group of 5 black guys walking towards you, and they all had handguns. Freaky, if irrational -dave
[2004-07-15 09:57:12] - Paul: like if you walk into a room and everyone is huge and heavily muscled, it's rather intimidating, even if it may be irrational -dave
[2004-07-15 09:56:06] - Paul: well, I think the fear is that the person will become violent. Although it's probably quite impractical, sometimes people can be very afraid of other people even when there really is no reason to -dave
[2004-07-15 09:33:28] - Dave: The reason I ask is because the only reason I can think of that people would find it disconcerting is if they thought either the gun would go off accidentally or that the guy was violent or something. -Paul
[2004-07-15 09:32:26] - Paul: I guess it comes from a perhaps irrational fear that the person will use the gun on you for some random reason. -dave
[2004-07-15 09:31:21] - Paul: I didn't really think you would find it disconcerting, but I thought others might. I would say it has a definite social impact -dave
[2004-07-15 09:30:44] - Paul: (shrug) just kinda freaky I guess, make you feel unsafe. A tech grad student took a handgun with him to this seminar I went to. Everyone at the place came up to me at some point and asked me if I knew him and why he was carrying one. The all said stuff like, well, I'll be sure to answer his questions nicely -dave
[2004-07-15 09:30:05] - Dave: I find it more disconcerting that the police were called just because somebody saw a gun. -Paul
[2004-07-15 09:28:36] - Dave: Why would that be disconcerting? -Paul
[2004-07-15 09:27:42] - not that I think it should be illegal, but I think it is a valid concern -dave
[2004-07-15 09:27:22] - http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2004261470715.gif oh, that crazy liberal media
- travis[2004-07-15 09:26:45] - or go to the movies and discover that those sitting around you all had handguns with them? -dave
[2004-07-15 09:25:46] - I thought one of the comments in there was interesting, said that although it is legal for the people to carry handguns around in public, it is disconcerting. Would you want to take your kids to a restaurant and then discover that half the patrons are toting around handguns? -dave
[2004-07-15 09:25:32] - pierce: I agree, the 'cheap animation' gimmick can be a vessel for humor but it's not so funny in itself. I thought the crowd holding up the "it's a lion!" signs were pretty funny for instance. - aaron
[2004-07-15 09:24:07] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50416-2004Jul14.html People carrying around guns in Fairfax, legally -dave
[2004-07-15 09:00:08] - mig: I believe he will stay with the Lakers -dave
[2004-07-15 08:58:32] - http://www.lexus.msn.com/id/2074206/sid/2100852 I just find the first paragraph amusing. -Paul
[2004-07-15 08:57:25] - mig: I think it would be best if he went with the Clippers but I think he'll stay with the Lakers (of course I also thought Shaq was going to Dallas). -Paul
[2004-07-15 08:53:13] - grrr. Which is only amusing if you already know about it (and even then, I've never been very amused by The Cheat's flash presentations). - pierce
[2004-07-15 08:52:26] - aaron: I'm not sure how much it was geared towards H*R fans specifically, but I imagine that someone who had never seen H*R would be incredibly bored and confused by it. Also, the end of the video switches between The Cheat's MSPaint style and the "real world" style, which is only amusing 9
[2004-07-15 08:42:44] - where does you all think kobe is going. my money is on him going to the clippers. interesting that no one seems to know where he's leaning towards signing to. - mig
[2004-07-15 08:41:49] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/07/14/slimfast.whoopi/index.html whoopi dropped by slim-fast for sexual-puns made about Bush at celebrity gathering -dave
[2004-07-15 08:00:54] - Paul: yeah, it's true that it seems kinda stupid to have a stunning actress and then make it so you can't see them so well. Partly though, I think just the actress' name gets people to go, even if they know they won't be able to see the person so well -dave
[2004-07-15 07:54:02] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1840056 Payton staying with Lakers -dave
[2004-07-15 07:49:16] - pierce: So it should have been entertaining to non H*R fans? I don't know - it had a lot of H*R-style humor and used the characters, but I can't think of any jokes in the video (off the top of my head) which I'd have to explain to someone (except maybe about the characters' personalities in general) - aaron
[2004-07-14 23:32:54] - http://www.livejournal.com/users/misterdreamer/ if anybody wants a word doc version, email me and i'll email you one (it's fairly long is the only reason i offer) - travis
[2004-07-14 23:22:08] - The TMBG video had too many H*R references that assumed knowledge of the site. - pierce
[2004-07-14 23:21:35] - aaron: I saw it and was mildly amused, but I think it would've been cooler if they'd done a video that might be entertaining to non-fans, so that it might have had a chance for more widespread distribution... kind of like the video for "Paranoid Android" by Radiohead. - pierce
[2004-07-14 22:30:26] - aaron: i don't have a soundcard
~a[2004-07-14 22:24:37] - http://www.homestarrunner.com/expfilm.html homestar video for a new they might be giants song, "experimental film!" TMBG fans on this board should check this out (all two of you!) - aaron
[2004-07-14 21:10:47] - Pierce: True enough I suppose. Just seems like there are enough women out there with similar bodies that could've played the role for less money.
-Paul[2004-07-14 20:34:07] - Paul: facially, yes. Bodily, no. I actually thought her face looked pretty hideous as Mystique, which was especially striking when she morphed into herself in X2. - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:47:32] - Doesn't seem right that I'm the first person to go home from work at 7:45 pm
-Paul[2004-07-14 19:32:15] - Pierce: Enjoy dinner. -Paul
[2004-07-14 19:31:58] - Pierce: Well, the fact remains that they probably could've gotten somebody significantly less beautiful to play the role and nobody would've noticed much of a difference. -Paul
[2004-07-14 19:31:53] - Paul: because 20,800 is a respectable enough number that google probably thinks it's at least a real thing, and it was much closer to the spelling. - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:31:15] - Din-din time. Adios. - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:31:04] - Google: Then why did you suggest "Did you mean Rebecca Romaine?" when I searched for her (mispelled) name? -Paul
[2004-07-14 19:30:09] - Paul: she wasn't in a rubber suit, if I remember correctly... it was mostly body paint, with some selectively placed pasties. Stupid pasties. - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:29:10] - "rebecca romaine": 20,800 hits; "rebecca romijn-stamos": 111,000 hits. - google
[2004-07-14 19:28:36] - I was almost sure that her name had a J in it and wasn't spelled like the lettuce, but I put too much faith in Google I guess.
-Paul[2004-07-14 19:28:01] - Pierce: Oh, no. I was referring to the fact that she is thought to be beatiful and they decided to cover her in a rubber suit. -Paul
[2004-07-14 19:27:20] - For future reference, Google lied to me when I tried to look up her name.
-Paul[2004-07-14 19:26:50] - Paul: oh, were you responding to the "make her invisible" comment? I thought you were comparing it to the Thing-Hulk issue. - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:26:05] - Paul: good point, though she didn't really have too many lines (or at least, not as Rebecca Romijn-Stamos). - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:25:27] - Vinnie: I've never been confident (or even cautiously optimistic) about the U.S. Office. There's just too much about the British version that contributed to its hilarity that you couldn't get away with on a U.S. network show. Like Tim getting a giant inflatable cock for his birthday, or David's constant sexual innuendo-"humor". - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:24:37] - Romijn? -Paul
[2004-07-14 19:24:09] - Pierce: Well, it worked with Rebecca Romaine (Stamos?) as Mystique in the X-Men movies. -Paul
[2004-07-14 19:22:10] - Trannie: I can definitely see getting a real actor for Thing. A lot of the criticism about Hulk was that the CG Hulk looked too cartoonish, and I can definitely see that still being a problem with Thing. If Chiklis can tone down his Bahston accent a bit, I don't think it'd be hard for me to believe that performance at all. - pierce
[2004-07-14 19:19:53] - What a great idea... get a stunningly beautiful (in many peoples' opinions) actress, then make her invisible! It's gold! - pierce
[2004-07-14 17:54:29] - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page3/story?page=williamstarausi/040714 I can never tell if these stories are real of fabrications.
-Paul[2004-07-14 16:40:41] - http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_196071406.html this is unbelievably infuriating. a politician kills someone while "on duty" and the tax payers have to pay the damamges in a wrongful death lawsuit. - mig
[2004-07-14 15:28:51] - vinnie: the guy with the axe who was the first of them to die was memorable too, unfortunately his name wasn't so memorable -dave
[2004-07-14 15:28:11] - vinnie: yeah, I remember expending a little effort to try to fix them in my mind. It ended up being Lancelot > guy with two swords and curly hair, Bors > bald beefy lookin guy. The others were more difficult to place. -dave
[2004-07-14 15:07:06] - travis: or "that guy with the beard and the weird face that I think was in lotr". or "bald-headed gimli-like oaf" - vinnie
[2004-07-14 15:04:00] - vinnie: how can you forget such memorable characters as "unnamed evil saxon dude"?
- travis[2004-07-14 15:00:46] - paul: well yes, being like the only female in the movie. surprisingly I remember arthur too
- vinnie[2004-07-14 14:59:21] - I remember Guinevere -Paul
[2004-07-14 14:57:42] - oh no! it looks like the US version of the Office is gonna be a midseason show. I love steve carell, but I think this show will not work - vinnie
[2004-07-14 14:57:11] - aaron: yeah, since it's the first movie i'd assume there will be a part devoted to them as humans. and how they changed depends on what version you choose: the original is some spaceship trip, like you said, and the new version is a dimensional teleportation accident - travis
[2004-07-14 14:55:59] - they didn't use their names enough for me to associate with the character I meant - vinnie
[2004-07-14 14:55:37] - dave: sorry. I remember a few of the characters in the movie well, but they didn't use their names enough I don't think. plus, I'm not familiar with the actual stories, if the movie even used them - vinnie
[2004-07-14 14:49:02] - travis: Maybe they'll have a flashback, or show the initial story of the pre-mutated fantastic four's initial trip to the sun (or wherever they went)... The thing did start out human right? - aaron
[2004-07-14 14:46:27] - vinnie: not even lancelot and/or bors? they were the most clearly defined IMO -dave
[2004-07-14 14:45:06] - dave: well I knew the characters' names but I didn't know which face went with which character, if you get me. and yes, I have seen the movie
- vinnie[2004-07-14 14:44:47] - oh, and the director's (tim story) only other movie is barbershop - travis
[2004-07-14 14:42:54] - vinnie: you didn't know any of the character's names from arthur? -dave
[2004-07-14 14:41:17] - anyone here program in Labview? -dave
[2004-07-14 14:40:59] - travis: yeah, that would almost certainly be better than using Chiklis - vinnie
[2004-07-14 14:38:51] - vinnie: i can't imagine why they actually got an actor for Thing, i would think they'll basically do like the hulk and use CG for most him, but he never turns back to normal, unless it's gollum type deal - travis
[2004-07-14 14:38:00] - travis: yeah, I wanted to know the actor. I don't know any of the character's names from king arthur
- vinnie[2004-07-14 14:37:44] - oops, Michael Clarke Duncan played kingpin, not ving rhames, that'll show me to not double check facts - travis
[2004-07-14 14:37:17] - I still think Michael Chiklis as Thing is hilarious though. If he doesn't have a lot of make-up it will be really hard to take him seriously - vinnie
[2004-07-14 14:36:45] - and johnny storm (the human torch) is basically a no-name - travis
[2004-07-14 14:36:09] - Travis: Touche. -Paul
[2004-07-14 14:35:59] - vinnie: who's reed richards? or who's lancelot? or who's the actor? Ioan Gruffudd is the actor - travis
[2004-07-14 14:35:36] - http://slate.msn.com/id/2103821/?GT1=4244 Why Is Antifreeze So Delicious? -Paul
[2004-07-14 14:35:28] - ha, his picture doesn't help at all. stupid facial hair back in the middle ages - vinnie
[2004-07-14 14:35:11] - paul: yeah, she is, but kingpin isn't a black man (referring to ving rhames in daredevil) - travis
[2004-07-14 14:34:47] - travis: uh, who was he? - vinnie
[2004-07-14 14:34:17] - and the guy that played lancelot in "king arthur" will be reed richards - travis
[2004-07-14 14:32:40] - Travis: I had heard she was up for the part, but I didn't really think she fit. Isn't Sue Storm like pale and blonde?
-Paul[2004-07-14 14:32:02] - jessica alba supposedly just got cast for sue storm (the invisible woman) in the fantastic four movie!
- travis[2004-07-14 14:15:19] - "We all know what this is ... it's a political exercise being carried out on the fly," Leahy continued. "Those trying to make this an election year issue see nothing out of bounds ... not even the Constitution." ohhhh diss.
[2004-07-14 14:05:42] - won't someone please think about the nurturing? - aaron
[2004-07-14 14:00:09] - this has got to be one of the most laughable things i've ever heard a politician spew. - mig
[2004-07-14 13:59:30] - The amendment "is to provide moms and dads for the next generation of our children. Isn't that important? Isn't that the ultimate homeland security -- standing up, defending marriage, defending the right for children to have moms and dads, to be raised in a nurturing and loving environment? Isn't that what this debate is all about?" he asked
[2004-07-14 13:58:34] - http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39443 Voting on Federal Marriage amemdment blocked for now. - mig
[2004-07-14 11:53:34] - http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=1839372 Agassi wins 800th singles match -dave
[2004-07-14 11:48:52] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/13/poll.economy/index.html Americans optimistic about economy, but this is not helping Bush -dave
[2004-07-14 11:47:53] - http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/13/news/international/microsoft_japan.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes Japan warns Microsoft about licensing agreement -dave
[2004-07-14 09:39:17] - Paul: well, you'd think he'd have to be that dominating of a player to win so many in a row -dave
[2004-07-14 09:00:59] - Dave: Yeah, I've been kinda following it on TV when I get the chance. What's most impressive is how he almost always demolishes the competition. It's rare indeed when Final Jeopardy comes around and he doesn't have like three times the nearest contestant's score. -Paul
[2004-07-14 08:38:27] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/14/tv.jeopardywinner.ap/index.html Jeopardy contestant passes 1 mil and still going. Around 30 shows so far -dave
[2004-07-14 08:01:08] - a: ahhh, you may be right. that sounds like a better / more valid reason. -dave
[2004-07-13 19:49:59] - in crew, that is the same reason we had mirrors in the rooms where we erged. ~a
[2004-07-13 19:47:25] - dave: i disagree with your reason for the mirrors existing. the only time i look at the mirrors (very very not often) is to check on form. it's hard to see if i'm running straight or lifting something symmetrically if i can't see myself. ~a
[2004-07-13 17:33:11] - 100.0
[2004-07-13 17:15:59] - a: Doesn't mean it's designed for you. -Paul
[2004-07-13 17:12:14] - but i like the gym. ~a
[2004-07-13 17:08:06] - a: Then gyms are not designed for you.
-Paul[2004-07-13 17:06:38] - i'm not a gym rat. ~a
[2004-07-13 17:05:36] - Dave: Gyms are made for gym rats and nobody else.
-Paul[2004-07-13 17:04:19] - Paul: yeah, mirrors are only good AFTER you have worked out awhile, hehe -dave
[2004-07-13 17:04:01] - Paul: trying to downplay your studliness eh? I think it's all a ploy! -dave
[2004-07-13 16:59:09] - Dave: I highly doubt you have to worry about me infringing on your turf.
-Paul[2004-07-13 16:58:43] - Dave: Ugh, I don't. THe mirrors justserve as a reminder to how out of shape I am.
-Paul[2004-07-13 16:58:40] - paul: (shrug) it's all a matter of taste anyways. If you like the opposite of what I do, all the better, we won't infringe on each other's turf ^_^ -dave
[2004-07-13 16:57:48] - and yeah, the mirrors can be kinda scary, but I can understand them. Many times the point to going to the gymn is to look better, so people like looking at how they're doing. -dave
[2004-07-13 16:56:35] - Dave: I'm not so sure I agree with your point, but I don't know if I disagree either.
-Paul[2004-07-13 16:55:17] - Paul: no, I wasn't trying to say that -dave
[2004-07-13 16:54:12] - Oh, ok. I gotcha then. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:53:41] - Dave: You're saying I find light-skinned people more attractive than dark skinned people in general? -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:53:38] - Paul: wasn't really trying to refute a point or anything -dave
[2004-07-13 16:53:23] - Paul: Oh, I was just mentioning the fact that the people you mentioned had light-skin for their ethnicity (I think), so that kinda goes along with dark-skinned ethnicity's looking better with paler skin -dave
[2004-07-13 16:51:36] - Dave: One of us is missing the other's point then, I think.
-Paul[2004-07-13 16:49:49] - Paul: but the thing about at least two of those people you mentioned is that they're probably light-skinned for their ethnicity -dave
[2004-07-13 16:47:53] - mel: oh!
-dave[2004-07-13 16:43:51] - Mel: I can understand that. I always tried to stay as far away from the mirrors as possible whenever I visited gyms. -Paul
[2004-07-13 16:42:29] - Paul: its just a wierd feeling to see everyone looking at themselves in the mirror as they lift. -mel
[2004-07-13 16:41:01] - Note to self: Visit the roofs of libraries more often. -Paul
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