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[2004-10-25 19:17:14] - Paul: And yes, Jessica is an adult and can make her own decisions.  But of course her Dad's opinion has a lot of influence on her.  He should give her better advice.  That's my opinion.  -mel

[2004-10-25 19:16:25] - Paul: If I were Jessica's father, I would never have let Newlyweds air.  Let along encouraged her to be in it and produced it.  She looked so stupid in that show.  Somebody sane should have told her not air it.  -mel

[2004-10-25 19:14:58] - Paul: Yes, Ashlee wants to be a star.  But part of being a good parent is watching out for your kid.  Not just letting them do whatever they want.  Protecting them.  And he isn't doing enough of that.  -mel

[2004-10-25 19:13:29] - Paul: From the Ashlee Simpson show, it is pretty clear (to me anyways) that Ashlee is a sensitive young teen.  She has no idea what she wants and her father is exposing her to being manipulated by some huge forces (with lots of poer and money).  I personally think that's wrong to do to your kid.  -mel

[2004-10-25 19:12:41] - Mel: Oh, I know you weren't claiming it wasn't biased and I have no problem with biased articles as long as people realize that they are biased (which I find many people tend not to notice). -Paul

[2004-10-25 19:11:38] - Mel: Well, obviously I don't have enough facts to make a really informed opinion, but if the facts presented in the article are true, then I really don't see what the big problem is. His daughters wanted a career in showbusiness and he worked hard to help them out. -Paul

[2004-10-25 19:11:36] - Paul: I wasn't cliaming the NY Times article wasn't biased.  But it had enough factual information that I thought it was worth posting.  btw, it ws really hard to find a place where it was available for free and without registration.  -mel

[2004-10-25 19:09:20] - Paul: you can have whatever opinion you want, but I think he is harming his daughters.  Yes, the article is biased.  But based on the facts alone (I've watches Newlyweds and also The Ashlee Simpson show), I think he is selling his daughters. -mel

[2004-10-25 19:05:32] - I guess I'm just wondering what horribly evil thing he has done other than do everything he could do to help his daughters become successful. -Paul

[2004-10-25 19:02:51] - And it's not like the article isn't biased against him at least a little bit. After all, all he is doing is trying to help his daughters fulfill their dreams, isn't he? -Paul

[2004-10-25 19:00:05] - Mel: Are you sure Ashlee and Jessica aren't grateful to their father for their success? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take sides, just saying that I know a lot of girls would really love to have the kind of life Ashlee and Jessica have (or at least think they want it). -Paul

[2004-10-25 18:49:55] - "While Beyoncé Knowles's father, Mathew, and Usher's mother, Jonnetta Patton, are known for zealously guarding their children's images and private lives, Mr. Simpson has delivered his daughters into reality television's warped embrace, exposing their everyday activities in sometimes unflattering detail."  -mel

[2004-10-25 18:47:52] - http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/10/25/entertainment1641EDT0665.DTL  Ashlee Simpson caught lip-synching on SNL.  -mel

[2004-10-25 18:46:39] - I think Joe Simpson is an evil man.  People who intend to manipulate their kids to earn money shouldn't be allowed to have kids.  OR be allowed to adopt any more of them.  -mel

[2004-10-25 18:45:04] - http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/arts/television/03leed.html?ex=1254542400&en=7f61ce17ae80b8b7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt  Who Wants to be a Simpson?  -mel

[2004-10-25 18:07:05] - Travis: He has a good point. -Paul

[2004-10-25 17:44:42] - http://www.dieselsweeties.com/strips/sw87.png i'm talkin' downtown - travis

[2004-10-25 17:28:45] - http://www.dieselsweeties.com/strips/sw09.png that's the spirit! - travis

[2004-10-25 17:11:39] - http://www.bushcomic.com/trailer.html - travis

[2004-10-25 16:28:49] - the only time i check a journal multiple times in the same day is when there's a lot of comments going on, and so it would always be at the front of the list, thus giving me no info about whether it was updated since the last time i looked, therefore i am unconcerned about any sorting feature - travis

[2004-10-25 15:33:43] - a: You're right, my bad. I miscounted. -Paul

[2004-10-25 15:32:14] - oh, oh i missed one.  three of the journals i can just assume should be at the end of the list  ~a

[2004-10-25 15:31:10] - yep, and they don't overlap!  only need to do one head really.  ~a

[2004-10-25 15:16:38] - a: And two of the journals you can just assume should be at the end and you'll be right more often than not. -Paul

[2004-10-25 15:11:51] - and the good thing is i don't even have to do an http head for three of the journals.  ~a

[2004-10-25 15:10:49] - travis:  i want something more useful than bookmarks:  i want something that will sort journals by how long ago they were updated.  ~a

[2004-10-25 14:57:41] - a: i used to read that far down, until i learned to just bookmark people's journals - travis

[2004-10-25 14:36:06] - a: what's amusing is that, in the context of an mmorpg, a carebear is a player that plays on a non-player-killer server, so using that context, that sentence could actually make some sense. -dave

[2004-10-25 14:18:08] - Adrian can't pronounce nuclear.

[2004-10-25 13:51:58] - what does breedom cost?

[2004-10-25 13:41:07] - a: I had that problem once with the old "things my girlfriend and I have argued about" website. -Paul

[2004-10-25 13:31:52] - "I’m sure you’ve heard of these people; they’re the main reason the Care Bears declared war against us."  i had to stop reading that article because i was laughing too hard.  ~a

[2004-10-25 13:22:54] - Travis: *Shrug* Whoever knows why I do what I do sometimes? -Paul

[2004-10-25 13:20:23] - if that was your point, why didn't you just say that in the first place? - travis

[2004-10-25 12:49:13] - Travis: Well, either way I'm sure my Thundercats and Autobots and Decepticons and numerous Star Trek shirts outweigh whatever clothing you might have in the lame department. -Paul

[2004-10-25 12:46:38] - but i don't have the combo - travis

[2004-10-25 12:46:21] - i have a silk t-shirt with flames and a button-up shirt with a dragon that doesn't wrap-around - travis

[2004-10-25 12:17:02] - Travis: "a button-up shirt with a wrap-around dragon and flames" Don't you have one of those? -Paul

[2004-10-25 12:07:26] - http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=24184 10 geekiest hobbies by seanbaby - travis

[2004-10-25 10:33:08] - Travis: I knew it! -Paul

[2004-10-25 10:32:01] - Travis: Why am I totally not surprised? And might I add that it saddens me greatly to see Buffy and Angel being used for such evil purposes. -Paul

[2004-10-25 10:31:30] - paul: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-10-24-elektra-kiss_x.htm you were confused why jennifer garner and ben affleck were together at the world series, here's some confirmation that they're dating (though they won't admit it) - travis

[2004-10-25 10:26:08] - http://www.highstakes2004.com/ whedon wants kerry for pres - travis

[2004-10-25 10:14:03] - Since I'll be out and about, send me an e-mail or call me. -- Xpovos

[2004-10-25 10:09:48] - Does anyone have a 1.5V AGP video card (any brand/ability) available that I could borrow from anywhere between a few hours and a few days? -- Xpovos

[2004-10-25 09:37:14] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041022-4343.html XM Radio rumored to release wearable receiver. Sirius unable to release until late summer 2005 -dave

[2004-10-25 09:35:24] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041022-4344.html site of British paper that targeted county of a swing-state with Pro-Kerry mail gets hacked. -dave

[2004-10-25 08:59:31] - http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41069 uk navy guy allowed to worship satan on his boat. - mig

[2004-10-25 08:54:37] - http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-fan-death-photo,0,3217447.story outrage towards the boston herald for posting a photo of the girl who got killed in boston as she lay dying.  But no outrage towards the police thugs who murdered her .... *shakes head*. - mig

[2004-10-25 08:10:06] - Huh. It's funny they say "editorial" but they don't give an author. Is that normal? - aaron

[2004-10-24 12:40:58] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57584-2004Oct23.html Post endorses Kerry -dave

[2004-10-24 04:07:01] - mig:  i agree except for that doesn't explain why obi-wan doesn't even try.  ~a

[2004-10-23 15:16:33] - however, one might argue that it would have taken one of anakin's children to turn him back to the good side of the force. - mig

[2004-10-22 16:34:07] - wow.  good point.  ~a

[2004-10-22 16:17:53] - Travis: I remember thinking that might have been their plan the second or third time I watched the trilogy. Otherwise why wouldn't Obi-wan have at least tried to kill Vader? I think they realized that Palpatine was the real problem. -Paul

[2004-10-22 16:11:06] - it'll be interesting to see exactly how anakin turns to the dark side in full force (hah, an unintential pun!) - travis

[2004-10-22 16:10:09] - paul: i didn't think about it being their plan all along, but it occurred to me that they might've counted on anakin helping them out in the end - travis

[2004-10-22 16:09:16] - mig: yeah, i couldn't remember if yoda mentioned it as the "the other" when he told luke he has a sister - travis

[2004-10-22 15:52:42] - I suspect it was Yoda/Obi-wan's plan all along to try to get Anakin to turn on Palpatine, not to have Luke or Leia kill Anakin. -Paul

[2004-10-22 15:46:55] - travis:  but given how lucas like to fuck with people, it could be anakin. - mig

[2004-10-22 15:36:11] - Travis: I think it was supposed to be a foreshadowing of the Leia revelation, but it also seems to fit with Anakin. -Paul

[2004-10-22 15:29:48] - what a good movie.  ~a

[2004-10-22 15:29:24] - hah.  anakin, that's an interesting way of taking that scene.  but no, i still agree strongly with miguel.  ~a

[2004-10-22 15:27:26] - it was leia.  in RoJ yoda mentions "the other" to luke before dying. - mig

[2004-10-22 15:23:20] - "Obi-Wan : That boy was our last hope.  Yoda : No. There is another"  i forget, were they talking about leia?  or anakin?  it's been a long time since i've seen those movies - travis

[2004-10-22 15:19:17] - paul: you will be, you will be - yoda

[2004-10-22 15:15:53] - Travis: Meh, I fear no line. -Paul

[2004-10-22 15:04:30] - paul: i wanted to see the movie anyway, but now there will be more lines because of this - travis

[2004-10-22 15:03:15] - Travis: Glad to see everybody is caring more about the trailers in front of the movie than the movie itself. -Paul

[2004-10-22 15:02:00] - http://www.superherohype.com/news/elektranews.php?id=2135 main story is about elektra trailer in front of the incredibles but more interesting part is revenge of the sith trailer is also showing - travis

[2004-10-22 14:34:50] - http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17898 bush administration suppressing report pointing fingers at their own incompetence until after 11/2. - mig

[2004-10-22 14:18:17] - aba: Yeah, going TO Springfield in the morning must be pretty clear sailing. I'm going from Springfield to Reston via the parkway, which a lot of people seem to use in the morning. -Paul

[2004-10-22 14:18:08] - i often go to lunch via springfield, at lunchtime it can be very bad.  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:18:01] - wait, i take that back, i see traffic going south through it if i go into work on the weekend.  -  aba

[2004-10-22 14:17:34] - everyone is going the opposite direction from me during my commute, so unless there is an accident or roadwork, i almost never see traffic in mixing bowl.  -  aba

[2004-10-22 14:17:17] - usually takes three/four hours during rush hour.  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:16:45] - and i commute from alexandria to huntsville    ~a

[2004-10-22 14:14:35] - aba:  yeah right.  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:14:00] - paul: yeah, i commute from alexandria to springfield.  a: i dont really count the mixing bowl as traffic because it doesnt usually get backed up.  -  aba

[2004-10-22 14:12:30] - aba:  mixing bowl?  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:11:32] - aba: Assuming that "against" traffic means the opposite direction of (and therefore good), then my commute is with traffic although it's not so bad on the way home since most people are off the street by then. -Paul

[2004-10-22 14:10:33] - sometimes i have to drop down to the high 60s.  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:09:59] - assuming i can ride my 74 mph limit.  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:07:59] - aba:  5 min AND against traffic.  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:04:09] - yah, my commute is about 20 mins AND it is against traffic.  -  aba

[2004-10-22 14:01:29] - Travis: Although if I wanted to show anybody up, I could probably throw in that my commute takes me about an hour and a half to two hours a day. -Paul

[2004-10-22 14:01:06] - well i was mostly kidding although it's probably more true than i originally thought.  to answer your question:  probably not even then.  ~a

[2004-10-22 14:00:17] - Travis: If you must know, I bill about 40 hours a week but end up spending probably around 50 hours a week at work (although it varies) so it's probably about the same. -Paul

[2004-10-22 13:59:45] - not even to quote a saying? - travis

[2004-10-22 13:59:45] - i make them from a much more theoretical perspective than he does.  ~a

[2004-10-22 13:59:21] - aaron's the cw expert.  ~a

[2004-10-22 13:58:58] - is it common practice to use phrases as answers in a crossword puzzle? yahoo uses them a lot (they're usually bad puns) and i don't recall seeing that before - travis

[2004-10-22 13:58:44] - aparna doesn't use such foul language.  ~a

[2004-10-22 13:56:15] - a: ah, oops, redirect that statement then, damn those similar colors - travis

[2004-10-22 13:55:39] - paul: i guess you still work less than 47 hours a week since you were so gracious and didn't come back with something like "47? ha! i work 50" - travis

[2004-10-22 13:55:28] - travis is confusing mig and aba.  ~a

[2004-10-22 13:52:36] - aba: while that may be true for the vast majority of the world, in the googleverse apology is the first mother of all fuckups - travis

[2004-10-22 13:39:46] - aba: Ok, cool. Thanks. -Paul

[2004-10-22 13:30:37] - i dont get to count the time i use for lunch..... so my time card software says roughly 47 hours a week.  -  aba

[2004-10-22 12:57:29] - i thought assumptions were the mother of all fuckups. - mig

[2004-10-22 12:55:42] - sweet, sweet mption - travis

[2004-10-22 12:49:17] - they make an ass out of u and mption.  ~a

[2004-10-22 12:48:24] - a: They're often true? -Paul

[2004-10-22 12:45:15] - you know what they say about assumptions.  ~a

[2004-10-22 12:18:17] - a: Assuming a 5 day work week. -Paul

[2004-10-22 12:09:21] - probably 50 if you do the math.  ~a

[2004-10-22 12:08:10] - aba: How many hours a week do you think you average working? -Paul

[2004-10-22 11:45:41] - vinnie: it would have worked if you hadnt included the "on travel"    -  aba

[2004-10-22 11:30:24] - aba: yeah, I wasn't including you in it either. my initial statement seems quite stupid now - vinnie

[2004-10-22 11:16:40] - vinnie: i usually work 9-7 or so (on the east coast and w/o travel).  -  aba

[2004-10-22 10:40:20] - Pierce: For the record, I disagree with a lot of your comments about the article but in the interests of me getting work done, I'm going to jump straight to saying that we'll just have to agree to disagree. -Paul

[2004-10-22 10:40:05] - vinnie:  i have had a weird working schedule (noon till late) mostly due to no sleep while on personal travel.  ~a

[2004-10-22 10:31:10] - a: no I thought you were on travel. I thought you were just working late. and paul just works late but he wasn't one of the ones really talking - vinnie

[2004-10-22 10:02:20] - Vinnie: Hey, how about some love for the East Coast worker who stayed at work until 7:00? -Paul

[2004-10-22 10:01:57] - (and i know now you were probably not referring to me)  ~a

[2004-10-22 10:01:22] - vinnie:  i'm not on travel (amazing isn't it?)  ~a

[2004-10-22 09:34:33] - pierce: and good god, man. you have a journal for a reason - vinnie

[2004-10-22 09:30:27] - it's all you crazy people on the west coast and those working late on travel - vinnie

[2004-10-22 09:29:53] - wow, a lot happened yesterday didn't it? - vinnie

[2004-10-22 01:16:44] - pierce harkn (word) to himself.

[2004-10-21 23:40:22] - All in all, I was very impressed with the article.  And that's what I did on my summer vacation. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:40:16] - Now again, I'm conceding that the medical community seems to be in relative agreement that of all the diseases that may be helped through stem cell research, Alzheimer's is one of the least likely.  But it's bad form to list a source with such potential bias as evidence, especially if the claim you're making wasn't explicitly said. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:40:09] - Meanwhile, his "evidence" that stem cells hold little to no hope for Alzheimer's is a speech that was delivered to a Bush administration-established "Council on Bioethics", which didn't mention stem cells as a promising opportunity.  I'm sure they chose a completely unbiased source for that. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:40:03] - Rather, Kerry said that the ban "shut down some of our most promising work on... Alzheimer's".  Kerry still shouldn't have said that, but it was hardly the demonizing word choice that would be required for Krauthammer's interpretation. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:59] - He actually makes a semi-valid point that Alzheimer's disease should not have been among the potential payoffs of stem cell research in Kerry's radio address.  But once again, he phrases it as if Kerry implied there was a cure, but we can't get to it because of the ban. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:52] - And then the claim that there's no "ban" on stem cell research.  Bullshit.  There is a ban on the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research for any line that was created after 8/9/2001, and the NIH only allows researchers to work with 72 approved stem cell lines... which are themselves controversial as being of limited usefulness. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:46] - Then there's this tidbit: "George Bush is the first president to approve federal funding for stem cell research."  Okay, Edwards's specific complaint is with Bush's policy on embryonic stem cells, which were only discovered in 1995, and not in humans until 1998.  It's not like Carter had much of a chance to control their policy. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:40] - Third, Krauthammer describes Edwards's "implication that Christopher Reeve was prevented from getting out of his wheelchair by the Bush stem cell policies".  Putting it that way is another phrasing that implies an immediacy in Edwards's word choice.  That may have been exactly what Edwards meant... extended over the timeframe of 20 years. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:32] - Is it that ridiculous to assume that the solution will take the form of something that allows us to regrow those cells based on the natural process that created them in the first place?  It seems like the most direct solution to me. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:27] - Second, Krauthammer is technically correct in saying that we don't know where the medical revolution will come from.  But think about it... the fundamental problem for these injuries and diseases is damage to cells that the adult body is incapable of regenerating. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:21] - But Edwards's point, as I understand it, is that the mysteries will never be solved, or at least they'll take far longer than they should, if we put limitations on the most promising research opportunities. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:16] - Oh, and Krauthammer was a bit overzealous in saying that Edwards implied that the change was "imminent".  Again, Edwards (as quoted, and I assume also in full context) made no promises about the timeframe. - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:11] - Assuming progressive improvements that would keep his condition from degenerating beyond the effects of old age, it's not all that outlandish to imagine he would have survived until we figured it out.  It's optimistic, but optimistic is a far cry from "false hope". - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:06] - Well, if you're even a bit more optimistic than he is (which would seem reasonable, seeing as he's an opponent of embryonic research and Edwards is a proponent... everybody has their biases), let's say it'll take 25 years to unravel.  Christopher Reeve was 52.  - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:39:00] - First, Edwards's claim, as quoted, that enabling stem cell research would allow Christopher Reeve to "get up out of that wheelchair and walk again" (before his death, of course) had no specific time constraint on it.  Krauthammer said it may take "a generation to unravel" the mystery of spinal cord regeneration... - pierce

[2004-10-21 23:38:54] - Cripes... talk about ignoring the plank in his own eye (a biblical reference seemed somehow apt). Where does one begin to deconstruct this outrage? - pierce

[2004-10-21 21:06:03] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34167-2004Oct14.html?nav=most_emailed Journalist upset about what he perceives as Kerry's inaccuracies about stem cell research -dave

[2004-10-21 20:57:09] - and yes, i know i'm talking to myself . . . (dup de dup de dup)  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:56:34] - immagine, for every guy you find now, you could easily find 10000 guys.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:54:54] - when you cut the radius down by x100 (i could drive for an hour or so, but i wouldn't walk for more than a half of an hour), you've cut down the area by x10000.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:52:38] - a: ok cool.  talk to you later.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:52:21] - a: yeah, you have a point.  I've probably been lying to myself about the level of restriction this places on relationships.  you're right.  I admit it.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:51:41] - talk to you later.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:51:22] - a: ok, well my carpool is here.  Time to go home.  The nice thing about having a carpool is you can't stay at work late.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:51:19] - then in that case never mind.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:51:00] - well that i can't agree with.  you're just adding on restrictions.  no car in a relationship means that you've cut down the radius by many factors of ten.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:50:53] - a: I can legally drive and I have a CA drivers license.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:50:30] - a: maybe you could, but I doubt it.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:50:12] - a: but my philosophy right now is if its the lack of car that ruins things then it really wasn't meant to be anyway.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:50:08] - hmmm.  in that case i could possibly guess.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:49:08] - a: It's not about affording it.  Its a bit complicated, but there are good reasons for it.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:48:41] - a: well I plan on getting a car within a year or so.  That will simplify things a bit.  For now I'm not too worried about meeting a guy because I am pretty busy working out my own shit.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:48:26] - *can't

[2004-10-21 20:48:14] - you don't want a car?  i can't immagine working at nasa you can afford a car.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:47:21] - a: yes.  I seem to make those slips a lot.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:47:17] - yeah i can't immagine not owning a car.  but i guess it's where i live.  novaians are expected to all have cars.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:46:53] - a: he could live fartehr but we would have to work out some sort of plan which would allow for the fact that I don't own a car.  ok whoops I've hard three serious relationships.  But the most recent one was with a guy who didn't own a car either.  And that ended up killing things because it was just son difficult to meet up.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:46:19] - like improbable and impossible.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:45:52] - improssible is funny word.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:44:46] - a: if the guy lived farther -mel

[2004-10-21 20:44:35] - haha

[2004-10-21 20:44:25] - a: well ideally Pasadena (since that's where I live).  Because see I also don't currently own a car.  I know that makes it a lot more restrictive.  But for now, its realistically true that if the guy lived harder, it would probably be hard to make it work.  Not improssible, but hard.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:42:52] - a: me too.  Its something I'm trying to work on.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:42:45] - heh.  how do you define somewhat?  b/c i guess i'm not so restrictive on that one anymore.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:42:13] - yeah, i feel for you on that one.  part of the reason i spend huge portions of my life alone.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:41:56] - a: haha.  yes!  A good restriction to add.  It would be nice if the guy were within 10 years or so and if he lived somewhat close to me.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:41:06] - a: well I'm shy too and I have trouble opening to people.  So the trust part is the hardest part for me, I think.  I have a hard time trusting people enough to be honest and open.  I often hold back with what I think.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:40:28] - i also like people my age.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:40:14] - your criteria (attractive/trust/respect) is good enough for me (and probably most people)  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:39:23] - a: what are you looking for?  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:39:12] - yeah, i thought about asking someone i work with out.  then decided against it on that very reason.  plus . . . i really was just looking for reasons at that point (i'm pretty shy)  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:39:09] - a: well you would think there would be...  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:38:23] - a: preferably not someone I work with.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:37:51] - and there are many of those people (depending on how restrictive you are on the "attractive" part).  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:36:45] - a: I am not interested in dating most people.  I could list some things I want...  really its just someone I can respect and trust who I find attractive.  Thats all.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:33:55] - a: see I knew that would sound bad.  but I wrote it anyway.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:33:26] - why don't you think most people are "worth" dating?  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:32:21] - It's hard to find someone worth dating.  That's my honest opinion.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:31:31] - that's a good point.  well I've had two relationships of over a month and I'm 23.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:24:39] - right right.  tons of time i hope.  and back to the parents thing, i'm guessing my parents probably had more serious relationships than i have before they got married.  also i'm guessing most people (like my aunts/uncles) did at their age.  i've only had three relationships that have lasted longer than a month and i'm already 23ish.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:23:36] - a: well anyway we have plenty of time to be sstupid and immature before we have to be responsible for another life.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:20:30] - a: ah ok, I didn't know that.  My sister is 1 year youngr.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:20:10] - a: I bet my sister (Nat) will have kids before I do.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:19:26] - she's 4 years younger than i am, fyi.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:18:59] - haha.  yeah, i figured as much.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:18:44] - i often wonder if my sister will get married / have kids before i do.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:18:12] -  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:18:07] - (well ok, his wife did.)  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:17:33] - a: haha. well me either.  I am going to wait until I am sure I have myself worked out.  My brother is 34 and he just ahd his first kid.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:17:13] - (age wise of course   )  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:16:59] - plus you don't have to have kids before your parents had you.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:16:14] - i don't know where i'll be in a few years, but it probably won't be anywhere near parenting maturity.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:16:04] - a: I know, very weird.  Well my Mom was 40 when I was born.  So I have plenty of time to get all my personal junk worked out...    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:15:13] - a: I am starting to picture what it is like to be a parent... one day.  First I need to sort out my own shit though.  Which will probably take a few years.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:15:06] - it's so weird that all of my aunts and uncles (and parents) were married at my age.  many of them (although not my parents) had kids.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:14:31] - i guess i'm not that mature yet.  i'm not really understanding the parental perspective much.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:13:43] - a: so it's a whole different experience that I didn't really understasnd the same way before.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:12:52] - a: I know!!  Well I have two other newphew but I was in my teens when they were born, so I didn't really see it the same way.  I still related more to the kids.  Now that my brother has a kid I am starting to relate to the parental perspective more.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:12:11] - well i guess i had heard she was going into some sort of military job type thing (although that was long ago)  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:11:29] - a: she's in the Marine Corps.  Just got promoted again too, now she's sergeant Soriano, which has a nice ring.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:11:08] - yeah, my cousin has two kids (the only cousin of mine with any kids) and it's pretty weird seeing people in such a small state of existence.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:10:51] - a: yeah, she's stationed there.  just re-enlisted for another 4 years (of which the first one will definitely be in Japan).  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:10:17] - bye aba.  nice knowing you're alive every now and then    ~a

[2004-10-21 20:09:54] - a: Its cool to see babies learn.  They pick up so much so fast.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:08:51] - aba: sounds good.    enjoy your dinner and take care.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:08:47] - heh.  journal?    ~a

[2004-10-21 20:08:14] - i am going to run away and eat dinner now.  mel, i will either update my journal or shoot you a note soon about grad school stuff.  let me know when you will be in town.  ttfn.  -  aba

[2004-10-21 20:07:46] - a: my brother's son.  he was born in Feb.  And I came to visit in March for about four days.  haven't been home since then.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:07:09] - i know who nat is although i didn't know she was in japan.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:07:09] - a: there's a guy at my work named Natividad and everyone calls him Nat.  I get a kick out of using his name because it always makes me think of my sister.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:06:29] - who's?  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:06:29] - a: when Nat comes.  She's my sister who is out in Japan.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:06:08] - aba: I need to see the baby too.  I've only seen him once and he was just 10 weeks old.  Now he's learning to walk.  And he ate his first solid food the other day.  very very cute.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:05:31] - yes, i'm such a stickler for grammer </sarcasm>  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:05:11] - a: when Nat comes.  thanks for the grammar correction.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:04:50] - mel:  yeah, i will definitely be here then.  itd be awesome to see both you and nat again.  plus i need to see the baby!    -  aba

[2004-10-21 20:04:49] - a + aba: you both need to leave work earlier and start taking more vacations.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:04:34] - "when Nat come".  Nat is many people now?  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:03:50] - aba: cool.  I'm gonna max out all my vacation days when Nat come in Dec/Jan.  We should definitely meet up if you are around.    -mel

[2004-10-21 20:03:29] - mel: my aunt and uncle live in sydney, but im going for a little over 2 weeks, so i think i am going to try and hit new zealand while i am there.  -  aba

[2004-10-21 20:03:21] -  i've used like 8 hours since starting 1.5 years ago  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:02:47] - ive barely used my vacation time this year and i lose it when it hits 2005 so i decided to take a really big vacation.  -  aba

[2004-10-21 20:02:23] - aba: hey, where in Australia are you going?? sounds like fun... -mel

[2004-10-21 20:02:07] - aba: hey, cool!  I need to stop being scared of the GREs and start doing something about taking them.  Going to the library to get free books is a good idea.  -mel

[2004-10-21 20:00:55] - the GRE really wasnt bad at all.  the only studying i did was taking tons of practice exams.  i also ended up finding study books with CDs at the library so i wouldnt have to pay for them.  it worked out really well.  -  aba

[2004-10-21 20:00:29] - australia wholly shit.  i've still only been out of the us that one time.  ~a

[2004-10-21 20:00:01] - im going to australia on vacation over thanksgiving.  mel, yeah, i am applying to schools mostly out west but only one is in CA (berkeley).  -  aba

[2004-10-21 19:59:54] - a: makes me think about going back to school.  If it weren't for the pain in the ass of studying for and taking the GREs...  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:58:50] - a: which is harder to find when you're not in college.  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:57:02] - a: haha.  thanks adrian.  yeah, I haven't been drunk in months and months.  Its only fun to do with a group of good friends.    -mel

[2004-10-21 19:56:05] - bad new/good news  I won't be on the message board tomorrow.  I'm going on a "field trip" to Goldstone.  http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/goldstone/  But if I remember my camera I will have some cool pictures on Monday.    Have a good weekend.  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:53:51] - sorry i left, melissa.  i got a phone call and i don't get to talk to "somebody" very often so i thought i would answer.  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:52:46] - mel doesn't drink anymore?  what is the world coming to?  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:40:30] - a + aba: alright, well I'm going to a little more work done and then head home.  talk to you guys some other time.  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:16:26] - a: I don't really drink anymore, so it's not a problem.  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:16:20] - brb  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:16:03] - a: haha.  good.  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:15:49] - i don't think about such serious subjects when i drink    ~a

[2004-10-21 19:15:39] - a: yes, in va your vote is more important because you're swingish (good word, btw).  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:14:31] - a: When I was in college, sometimes I would be drunk and I would always talk about moving back to VA.    -mel

[2004-10-21 19:14:27] - i keep forgetting (even though we're having a conversation on the very subject) that you're not va.  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:14:12] - (we're = va)  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:14:01] - yeah, so my vote wouldn't do much there.  at least here i might have a chance of helping things.  (actually i might be going on dated news, we're swingish, right?)  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:13:08] - a: Maryland is a Kerry safe state.    -mel

[2004-10-21 19:12:31] - a: So moving back would be a cop-out (for now).  Eventually I want to move back though.  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:12:04] - i actually didn't know the hq was in dc.  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:11:50] - i would move to maryland    ~a

[2004-10-21 19:11:17] - a: I could move to a different NASA branch.  The HQ is in DC of course.  But I kind of like working at JPL.  And in my current group.  And besides, I think I need to figure out how to be happy on my own.  -mel

[2004-10-21 19:09:31] - mel:  i understand.  i would probably move (my job would be pretty flexible about it although i kind of like working at HQ) if it wasn't for all the friends i would be leaving behind.  ~a

[2004-10-21 19:09:21] - a: yeah.  you  caught me.  Maybe it was one of those Freudian slips.    -mel

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