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[2004-11-03 11:51:50] - but nova is fairly probush. ~a
[2004-11-03 11:51:02] - a: Yeah, I was pretty sure Fairfax county was fairly liberal. -Paul
[2004-11-03 11:49:36] - paul: ffc is the only county that's blue in the nova: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/VA/P/00/map.html ~a
[2004-11-03 11:38:39] - Travis: I'm a uniter, Travis, not a divider. -Paul
[2004-11-03 11:36:41] - paul: tsk tsk, all you're doing is encouraging the divisiveness - travis
[2004-11-03 11:27:06] - Travis: Yes, that was rather unfortunate timing (him conceding right after I tied myself to his challenge). Very well then, UNLIKE Kerry, I'm going to see this through to the bitter end.
-Paul[2004-11-03 11:21:44] - paul: so now you can pay adrian
- travis[2004-11-03 11:19:28] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_election_rdp Kerry concedes. -Paul
[2004-11-03 10:50:27] - a: No, I'm following in the footsteps of your man and refusing to admit defeat until all the numbers are in.
-Paul[2004-11-03 10:40:42] - paul: nah, just pay me the $5 first. ~a
[2004-11-03 10:29:27] - Anyone have any numbers on the percentage turnout of elegible voters? I'm interested in hearing whether or not the facts live up to the hype. -Paul
[2004-11-03 10:15:56] - Vinnie: Right, now I remember. You mentioned the people at the polls saying the lines were long. Sorry.
-Paul[2004-11-03 10:00:41] - paul: I did vote yesterday, and mentioned in an earlier post that I did
you must read my posts carefully - vinnie[2004-11-03 09:55:28] - mig: on top of the legal battle in ohio, there's the fact that "by law, provisional and absentee ballots won't be counted until 11 days after the election." (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/states.vote/index.html) - travis
[2004-11-03 09:47:43] - Wow, what a tough election for the democrats. Not only did the hated Bush seem to increase his election turnout from 2000, but they also lost a bunch of senate seats (including their minority leader) and got destroyed on their gay marriage propositions. -Paul
[2004-11-03 09:33:52] - errr, or considered, not necessarily counted I guess -dave
[2004-11-03 09:33:42] - there's no legal ramifications of declaring victory or conceding defeat, is there? I suppose the worry is that if you concede your supporters will stop trying to press provisional ballots etc? but aren't they eventually counted anyways? -dave
[2004-11-03 09:25:37] - travis: methinks buddha would have a tough time rounding the bases ^_^ -dave
[2004-11-03 09:12:56] - http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2002218941103.gif the real reason the red sox won - travis
[2004-11-03 08:15:30] - those quotes from http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2264&p=2 -dave
[2004-11-03 08:15:12] - "We've compared the performance of 4-way versions of the Opteron 8xx vs. the 3GHz Xeon MP and already seen that the Opteron is the better performer of the two thanks to the better scalability of its architecture. " -dave
[2004-11-03 08:14:49] - no wonder opterons are crippling Intel: "Looking at CPU costs alone, a single Opteron 850 currently sells for around $1500, a single 3GHz Xeon MP (4MB L3) sells for $4000 on average. Multiply that by 8 and you've got a $20K difference in CPU costs alone. " -dave
[2004-11-03 08:05:11] - out of curiosity, what do people here think of malpractice caps? -dave
[2004-11-03 08:04:58] - "Floridians approved a cap on damage awards in medical malpractice lawsuits. A similar proposal was leading in Nevada, but the vote on malpractice damage caps was extremely close in Oregon and Wyoming. " -dave
[2004-11-03 08:00:27] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_campaign_legal&cid=536&ncid=536 don't expect ohio to be resolved anytime soon. - mig
[2004-11-03 07:55:28] - ironic, since so many people were against the electronic voting systems, hehe -dave
[2004-11-03 07:55:12] - "Nick Papa, 18, a freshman at Kenyon, said he got in line at 4:30 and was told it might be six or seven hours, but he was still in line at 1:30 a.m. At one point, election officials offered paper ballots, but the students rebelled, saying they wanted to use the electronic machines "to make sure our votes count," Papa said. " -dave
[2004-11-03 07:54:23] - dang, talk about loyal voteres "In central Ohio, voters primarily from Kenyon College in Knox County waited for more than eight hours at a polling place that had not prepared for an onslaught of newly registered voters" -dave
[2004-11-03 07:50:52] - them poor Redskins, now they've lost their job as electoral predictor -dave
[2004-11-03 07:49:53] - oops, was = Bush -dave
[2004-11-03 07:49:14] - I guess an explanation might be that those normally swayed by the economy found other issues more important, and that those leftover who thought the economy was important were significantly different -dave
[2004-11-03 07:48:21] - what I still find puzzling is the fact that economy issue went for Kerry. According to standard measures of the election (purely based off of the economy) was would have won with 57%. -dave
[2004-11-03 07:46:53] - from washpost: "Kerry overwhelmingly won among those who said Iraq and the economy were the most important issues to them, while Bush won by a landslide among those who cited terrorism." -dave
[2004-11-03 07:29:24] - a: don't worry, odds are, we'll have a democratic president next term -dave
[2004-11-03 07:26:58] - http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/hotgossip4 Boreanaz in new tv series. Whedon working on 'Serenity' (Firefly movie) -dave
[2004-11-03 07:25:04] - florida let us down for the second election in a row
~a[2004-11-03 07:14:04] - re: exit poll statistics: read the "VOTE IF ONLY BUSH AND KERRY WERE RUNNING" and explain how the third row has "27%" and "39%". ~a
[2004-11-02 20:33:23] - Dave: Sorry, I didn't think you would change your vote anyhow. -Paul
[2004-11-02 20:22:50] - Paul: fat lotta help you are, like 3 weeks too late ^_^ -dave
[2004-11-02 20:06:59] - aaron: wow, nice site. Lots and lots of different breakdowns. -mel
[2004-11-02 19:51:32] - Dave: I think it could be almost as good a match for you as the Republicans. -Paul
[2004-11-02 19:51:05] - Dave: Ever heard of the Constitution Party? (http://www.constitutionparty.com/ for more info). -Paul
[2004-11-02 19:42:04] - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html tons of wacky exit poll statistics. maybe..... too many - aaron
[2004-11-02 19:13:41] - here we go... the votes are coming in....
-mel[2004-11-02 18:55:46] - Peroutka? hmm? hmm? ^_^ -dave
[2004-11-02 17:54:47] - Aaron: Now we just need to convince Dave to vote for Peroutka, although I suspect it's probably too late.
-Paul[2004-11-02 17:50:13] - Paul: If I knew anyone like that who was voting for bush, I wouldn't mind trying it - aaron
[2004-11-02 17:16:04] - Vinnie: Just out of curiosity (and feel free not to answer if you don't want to), but did you or are you planning to vote today? -Paul
[2004-11-02 17:05:40] - The people I know who want to vote third party seem to go ahead and do it. -Paul
[2004-11-02 17:04:44] - Vinnie: I was thinking more that it's hard finding somebody that wants to vote third party but votes for a major party out of fear of the "greater evil" or whatever you want to call it. For instance, I don't think I know anybody who would qualify for such a system. -Paul
[2004-11-02 17:00:28] - paul: yeah, people who align themselves with third parties are notorious for not trusting people
- vinnie[2004-11-02 16:55:53] - Aaron: I thought so to but it might be hard to find the right people for it. -Paul
[2004-11-02 16:50:59] - paul: That's a pretty clever idea. - aaron
[2004-11-02 16:03:55] - http://newlibertarian.blogspot.com/2004/11/tired-of-evil-invest-your-vote.html Actually, it's more of a blog entry and this links straight to the entry specifically. -Paul
[2004-11-02 16:02:43] - http://newlibertarian.blogspot.com/ A libertarian website on a different kind of vote pairing. Helps eliminate the "lesser of two evils" problem. -Paul
[2004-11-02 15:34:35] - http://edge.cow-dog.net/archives/2004/10/12/on-voting-and-elections-in-general/ - s.jerusalem
[2004-11-02 15:30:50] - paul: heh -dave
[2004-11-02 14:45:38] - Dave: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=thompson/041102 See, this is how you properly support a candidate in the sports media.
-Paul[2004-11-02 14:37:10] - paul: you should be - vinnie
[2004-11-02 14:36:18] - Geez, all you people and your travelling overseas to Peru, India, etc.
I'm jealous. -Paul[2004-11-02 14:34:17] - of course, not like the mboard meet-up needs me in order to happen anyway
- vinnie[2004-11-02 14:32:22] - mel: I'm in India at that time, unless your week starts at Christmas and somehow ends past New Year's. maybe another time though
- vinnie[2004-11-02 14:30:49] - vinnie: the dates will heavily depend on what kind of tickets are available.
-mel[2004-11-02 14:29:46] - vinnie: that sounds like fun.
I need to buy the plane tickets this week. But the idea is to be in VA for about a week (sometimes including Christmas). -mel[2004-11-02 14:26:27] - if you haven't voted yet, there might not be any crowds for you (at your location) now: i went by my polling place at 8ish and 2ish. at 8ish my line was 100s (1000s?) long. now my line had like 5 people in it, i was in and out in 5 minutes. ~a
[2004-11-02 14:25:42] - mel: when are you coming to VA? we should all do like a mboard meet for lunch or something if you have time
- vinnie[2004-11-02 14:23:31] - Mel: Yeah, I wish I had chosen to travel more when I had the chance but it always seemed too expensive (especially considering the money lost over not working). Now, though, I don't have the time even though I have the money. -Paul
[2004-11-02 14:20:24] - Paul: yes. I'm glad, because now that I have a job, I have about 10 vacation days and I am using them all to go to VA, so it will be awhile before I make a trip like that again. Yet another reason to go to grad school...
-mel[2004-11-02 14:19:22] -
-mel[2004-11-02 14:16:41] - Mel: Awesome. Sounds like you had quite a fun summer that year.
-Paul[2004-11-02 14:14:37] - Paul: It was fun to meet all my extended family. One of my cousins had just started his own bar in Huaraz so we went there a bunch and partied with him. My uncle had a blast, he loves to climb and hike. -mel
[2004-11-02 14:13:06] - Paul: They are crazy, but in a good way. They own their own business that is now well-established and so they were able to take a year off. -mel
[2004-11-02 14:12:19] - Paul: I was lucky. My aunt (who is from Peru), her husband (a climber), and their daughter had decided to leave their home in Boston and travel around Peru for a year. I stayed with them in Huaraz. They shipped a Land Rover down to Peru and we drove around the mountains in that. I was only there for a month. They also drove to the Amazon. -mel
[2004-11-02 14:08:31] - Mel: Do you have family there that you could stay with or did you just stay at hotels? -Paul
[2004-11-02 14:04:49] - Paul: yup, the summer after junior year. I went with my Dad and my sister, but we all arrived at slightly different dates and I stayed longer in the mountains at the end of the trip. -mel
[2004-11-02 14:03:28] - Mel: Sounds like it was a fun trip. You do this while in college? -Paul
[2004-11-02 14:00:52] - The whole trip was really good for me, it gave me a whole new perspective. People also thought my spanish was funny, I don't speak quite right for a Peruvian. But since everyone was from the mountains, they just attributed my strangeness to me being from the city.
-mel[2004-11-02 13:59:09] - Paul: haha. No, but my glasses are (were! now I have contacts) oval shaped horizontally. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:58:28] - Mel: Do cats often wear glasses in Peru?
-Paul[2004-11-02 13:57:15] - Huaraz is 500 km from Lima but the bus stopped at every single little town to pick people up. A lot of people were travelling to Lima to see a doctor. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:56:13] - The bus took 21 hours to get from Huaraz to Lima and there was no bathroom. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:54:58] - Paul: The kids also asked me what was wrong with my eyes (because I was wearing glasses). They said I looked like a cat. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:54:03] - mig: So you mean having a national list of registered voters? I don't know much about the voting system. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:53:11] - Paul: They just assumed I was too young. Everyone in the mountains assumed I was really young. Some of the kids laughed and asked me why I didn't wear a dress. Only kids wear pants (in the mountains that is). Women wear dresses. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:52:33] - mel: by rest i mean the rest of the voting system. My only issue with it is simply that it is mandatory to vote. - mig
[2004-11-02 13:51:19] - Mel: They didn't ask you why you didn't have one? -Paul
[2004-11-02 13:49:54] - mig: what do you mean by the rest? -mel
[2004-11-02 13:49:29] - People were talking about how I was from Lima, which was already weird enough to them. Everyone else on the bus was from the mountains. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:49:02] - I'm still of the opinion that if you don't want to vote or don't feel you know enough to vote, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with not voting. -Paul
[2004-11-02 13:48:17] - I was riding on a bus from Huaraz to Lima about a two years ago and everyone was asked for their voter registration number. I was asked for mine too, but I said I didn't have one and everyone looked at me very weird. I didn't want to say I wasn't Peruvian because I was the only non-Peruvian on the bus and it can be dangerous to be American. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:48:15] - mel: i don't see how forcing everyone to vote really improves anything. the rest seems logical though - mig
[2004-11-02 13:48:15] - Mel: I still think the turnout will be lower than 55% but my confidence is a bit shaken.
-Paul[2004-11-02 13:46:53] - Every citizen is required to register to vote at age 18, I think. Your voter registration number isessential like the social security number here. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:46:01] - "Elections are held on Sundays, and every citizen is required to vote.(There is a fine of $35 for those who fail to do so without good reason, and they cannot cash a check until the fine is paid.)" -mel
[2004-11-02 13:45:30] - correction: Peru that is -mel
[2004-11-02 13:45:08] - Article title "Eru can give US Lessons on how to hold Elections" http://www.cartercenter.org/doc140.htm written by Jimmy Carter. I do not agree. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:44:00] - Paul: In Peru, you get fined if you don't vote. A very different mentality. I like the US philosophy that it is your right to vote or not vote better. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:43:12] - Paul: (for us Americans) -mel
[2004-11-02 13:42:55] - Paul: It was an interesting bet. 55% is very high. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:42:20] - Paul: I know, I read the post. But its only $5. Don't be worried.
-mel[2004-11-02 13:36:31] - Mel: I have a bet with Adrian and Dave that voter turnout will be less than 55%. I'm getting worried.
-Paul[2004-11-02 13:32:38] - I think the fact that the networks aren't constantly reporting the exit poll numbers will increase turnout. because people won't feel like the election is already decided. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:31:32] - aba: I have no idea who Tucker Carlson is. Sorry. -Paul
[2004-11-02 13:30:54] - but to be fair, he came at probably one of the worst times - right after the lunch crowd - vinnie
[2004-11-02 13:29:33] - hahaha I went to vote (took about five minutes total) and there was a reporter from the Post there to take pictures of the long lines. he was upset because there weren't any
- vinnie[2004-11-02 13:25:18] - aba: ah. ok. makes sense. Usually at this point they are going crazy extrapolating from the exit polls. Well I will have to wait until 4 PM (PST)... -mel
[2004-11-02 13:24:20] - that is really a great idea although i'm surprised they even did that. ~a
[2004-11-02 13:24:15] - paul: i want to punch tucker carlson in the face, and he is on cnn. - aba
[2004-11-02 13:23:28] - most of the major networks agreed to hold of on calling states until voting for those states closed. i guess they all want to avoid what happened last time. - aba
[2004-11-02 13:23:13] - Mel: I don't have enough experience watching CNN (no cable at home) to say whether they are biased for Republicans or Democrats or not but I've heard from people that CNN has a slight liberal bias. -Paul
[2004-11-02 13:22:49] - LA Times headline: "Forecasters expect as many as 121 million people, or 60% of those eligible, will cast ballots. Final surveys show the race a dead heat." -mel
[2004-11-02 13:22:18] - a: I would rather not use CNN because they're worse than most of the other news channels at ignoring libertarians and so I don't want to patronize them. -Paul
[2004-11-02 13:19:15] - (CNN that is). -mel
[2004-11-02 13:18:58] - I was watching them this morning and they were interviewing Guliani, who was strongly supporting Bush. I also watched the Today show and they had Laura Bush there, but they were a little hard on her. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:18:54] - Mel: I don't think they start until 7:00. I've been sporadically checking and it sounds like the meaty stuff won't start until later. -Paul
[2004-11-02 13:18:08] - a: maybe because its biased? I don't know. Paul, which way do you think cnn is biased? -mel
[2004-11-02 13:17:36] - NBC isn't giving results until 7 PM EST either. It looks like the major networks are avoiding exit polls. -mel
[2004-11-02 13:16:29] - paul: why no cnn? ~a
[2004-11-02 13:14:56] - no exit polls yet at cnn
-mel[2004-11-02 13:14:46] - Mel: CNN would probably be your best bet. They seem to have fairly in depth coverage of the election set up for tonight. I'm still trying to find other places though. -Paul
[2004-11-02 13:14:29] - aba: This is exciting. I think voter turnout will be really high this year. I am thinking over 55% too.... -mel
[2004-11-02 13:12:06] - I guess the election coverage starts at 7 PM EST? I thought in previous years it started earlier... -mel
[2004-11-02 13:06:57] - paul: I went at 7 AM this morning out here in CA (which is when the polls open) and the lines were already long. Today is going to be interesting.
-mel[2004-11-02 13:05:31] - paul: hey so did you find a good site that is tracking election results real time? -mel
[2004-11-02 12:53:53] - a: Hard to find information about it, but I would be surprised if Fairfax County had gone Bush in 2000. -Paul
[2004-11-02 12:45:43] - paul: i guess i'm not so sure about that . . . i was looking at land (it was a map), not population. ~a
[2004-11-02 12:40:39] - paul: i think fairfax county voted bush in 2000. ~a
[2004-11-02 12:39:59] - according to those recent polls for dc, nader has more than half as many votes as bush. wow. ~a
[2004-11-02 12:31:37] - aaron: according to a dem site it's 47% 51% ( http://www.electoral-vote.com/ ) ~a
[2004-11-02 12:25:58] - It's probably only a matter of time before the people in Northern Virginia outnumber the rest of Virginia and we start going for Democrats in presidential elections anyway. -Paul
[2004-11-02 12:25:06] - Aaron: Some pollsters said that Bush's lead in Virginia is fairly small and it could conceivably go to Kerry. It's not considered a battleground state or anything, but most places seem to have Virginia listed as "slightly Bush" instead of "strongly Bush", which I guess is different from normal. -Paul
[2004-11-02 12:12:18] - paul: Virginia's going to be close? Virginia's never been close... - aaron
[2004-11-02 10:56:11] - Vinnie: I wonder if that's just for Virginia since some people think it's going to be close or if it's for the whole country? -Paul
[2004-11-02 10:47:15] - yes, everyone at my work is saying the same thing. higher voter turnout than they could ever remember - vinnie
[2004-11-02 10:42:59] - vote or die motherfucker. motherfucker vote or die. rock the vote or else i'm gonna stick a knife through your eye. democracy is founded on one simple rule, get out there and vote or i will motherfucing kill you. -pd
[2004-11-02 10:39:39] - Anybody know a good website that will be tracking election results tonight which has third party candidates other than Nader? I'll use cnn.com if I have to but I would rather not. -Paul
[2004-11-02 10:37:40] - a: I changed it to provide the other side of the voting debate. I doubt anybody is going to listen to the title of this message board anyway AND if I was trying to skew the results, then the original title was skewing it anyway so there.
-Paul[2004-11-02 10:36:24] - aba: It seemed like the people at the poll I was at were slightly surprised by the number of people, but not overly surprised. Nobody was saying it was the most they ever saw, but it seemed like more than most expected. -Paul
[2004-11-02 10:34:49] - paul: did you set the title in an attempt to skew the results of our bet?
~a[2004-11-02 10:30:47] - but it is all circumstantial at this point anyway.
- aba[2004-11-02 10:30:33] - most of the older people that i work with have said that they have never seen this many people for a presidential election before either.... - aba
[2004-11-02 10:22:09] - I suppose I really should start watching Firefly. I just can't bring myself to watch it alone and since everybody else has already seen it or doesn't want to see it... -Paul
[2004-11-02 10:19:50] - unfortunately, it's my least favorite one
-dave[2004-11-02 10:12:06] - heh heh. one of the actresses from Firefly just showed up in Angel ^_^ -dave
[2004-11-02 10:11:30] - Dave: It could be. Like I said, I've never voted anything but absentee for a presidential election so I have no idea if what I saw was more than usual or not. -Paul
[2004-11-02 10:08:44] - paul: and I'm not sure how large a group the 'early-voters' are in the grand scheme of things. So it could just be skewed for those people -dave
[2004-11-02 10:03:20] - a: We'll see. I refuse to concede this bet until the bitter end.
-Paul[2004-11-02 09:59:15] - Mig: Yeah, you're not allowed to show any preference for one candidate or another at the polls. In Dallas, you're not allowed to wear any Cowboys stuff either because there is a referrendum for some stadium funding on the ballot. -Paul
[2004-11-02 09:58:29] - aba: Yeah, that's the most people I've ever seen at my polling place in the three or four elections I've voted there. Of course, I've never voted in a presidential election there before. -Paul
[2004-11-02 09:58:04] - apparently it breaks some silly law to let everyone know who you're voting for. - mig
[2004-11-02 09:57:40] - one woman where i went was forced to take off her john kerry t-shirt before entering the polls. fortunately for her she was wearing it on top of another shirt... - mig
[2004-11-02 09:57:01] - you better have my $5 in hand
~a[2004-11-02 09:56:32] - paul: looks like you're going down. ~a
[2004-11-02 09:52:44] - the guy in line next to me said he had been voting at my school for years and this was the most people he had ever seen. - aba
[2004-11-02 09:46:27] - Dave: Because he's supporting Bush instead of Kerry. I thought that was obvious.
-Paul[2004-11-02 09:46:22] - Wow, it looks like I might be horribly wrong with a lot of my election predictions. The polling place was packed this morning. -Paul
[2004-11-02 07:27:29] - maybe it's because he's an athlete? Doesn't seem like that should make much of a diff. -dave
[2004-11-02 07:26:57] - maybe I'm just too biased, but does this seem fair given that no one has had any problem with any of the many other celebrities that have endorsed candidates? Springsteen, Affleck, etc? What's different about this one? *waiting to be enlightened* -dave
[2004-11-02 07:25:45] - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/phil_taylor/11/01/schilling.bush/index.html?cnn=yes Schilling castigated for publicly supporting Bush. -dave
[2004-11-02 07:23:11] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/ohio.challengers.ap/index.html poll challengers to be allowed after all -dave
[2004-11-02 07:20:52] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/index.html Bin Laden wants to 'bankrupt' the US -dave
[2004-11-01 18:08:27] - Travis: In other words, think of something indoors? -Paul
[2004-11-01 17:51:03] - paul: i believe so, but also think ahead to ice and snow times - travis
[2004-11-01 17:45:21] - Travis: Are the tennis courts at your apartment complex lighted? -Paul
[2004-11-01 17:40:00] - paul/mig: all right, anyone that looks out a window now can tell we're not going to be playing basketball outside until next summer, so start thinking of other stuff to do or an indoor location to play - travis
[2004-11-01 15:38:45] - vinnie: *nod* I see. In some senses, if they worked with him on previous seasons, they would kinda learn the kinda style/content he wanted so they could continue producing it -dave
[2004-11-01 15:23:31] - dave: oh but joss tends to find writers like him, which I think makes it appear like he has more of a hand in each episode than he does. afaik, he wasn't working on buffy much at all post-S3 - vinnie
[2004-11-01 15:22:21] - dave: yeah, joss does way more; he writes and directs. it was a semantics thing since you asked what "creator" means - vinnie
[2004-11-01 14:30:28] - Travis: Well, you have to die before becoming undead, right?
-Paul[2004-11-01 14:29:52] - vinnie: well then joss must do a little more than that, yes? To get all the similar humor / character quirks in his chars? Also I think there's a distinctive style to the way he has 'non-mainstream' things happen in his series that could only come from his lending a writing or directing hand in that particular scene -dave
[2004-11-01 14:28:21] - Paul: Yeah, I agree. I was only really thinking of his television series -dave
[2004-11-01 14:26:18] - dave: "series creation" generally just means the characters, setting, etc. and doesn't necessarily relate to writing or directing. the creator of dead like me, for instance, co-wrote the first episode and did nothing afterward - vinnie
[2004-11-01 14:25:48] - paul: you mean before he became a zombie
- travis[2004-11-01 14:10:40] - Mig: Cool, that must've been one of the last things Richard Biggs did before he died. -Paul
[2004-11-01 14:09:11] - paul: i dunno. they both are in the "news coverage" extra where Biggs is the anchor covering the news as the zombie infection grows. Bruce actually isn't shown he just does a voiceover as the president of the united states in a recorded message shown on the news. - mig
[2004-11-01 14:07:34] - Therefore, I think I would prefer it if he spent more time creating television shows and less time writing stuff (comic books, individual episodes, etc). I understand he needs to write stuff and direct to a certain extent in series creation, though. -Paul
[2004-11-01 14:05:49] - Dave: I think we're just dancing around semantics here. How about this, I don't think Joss is in the top 10% of writers in the world but I do think he is in the top 10% of television series creators. -Paul
[2004-11-01 14:03:21] - Mig: I thought I saw Dr. Franklin on one of the commercials for the DVD. Any particular reason they are on it or is it just a coincidence? -Paul
[2004-11-01 14:01:34] - Paul: unless I'm wrong, and someone can 'create a series' without doing any of the directing or writing -dave
[2004-11-01 14:00:38] - paul: I understand what you're saying. I guess all I'm trying to say is that I think 'series creation' involves both directing and writing - in your case it seems you just don't like it when Joss writes or directs the entire episode himself -dave
[2004-11-01 13:58:33] - paul: i don't know if you know this already, but in one of the extra features in the Dawn of the Dead DVD has Richard Biggs and Bruce Boxleitner in it. - mig
[2004-11-01 13:49:33] - I'm not saying he's unskilled as a writer or director or whatever, just that I prefer the stories that the other writers have to tell over Joss' stories. And it's not even necessarily that I hate all of the episodes Joss wrote (I like OMWF), it's just that I think his talents are better used at series creation than writing and directing. -Paul
[2004-11-01 13:46:59] - Dave: I think there is a big enough difference between series creation and plot writing to be noticeable. I like the Buffy/Angel universe and the characters and it's mixture of humor, action and drama but I just don't tend to like the episodes Joss has written as much. -Paul
[2004-11-01 13:41:13] - Paul: isn't 'series creation abilities' a little bit of both of those (directing, plot writing) tho? I mean, you have to get the actors to convey the humor in the right way, get the plot to bring out the right points of the characters etc? -dave
[2004-11-01 13:37:04] - Dave: Right, and that's what I like about him, his series creation abilities. I'm just not sure I like his actualy plot writing and directing abilities as much. -Paul
[2004-11-01 13:22:28] - if nothing else, the style and humor (both of which I think are great) of firefly/angel/buffy are very similar, and something I credit whedon for -dave
[2004-11-01 13:16:30] - Although he did write Once More With Feeling. -Paul
[2004-11-01 13:12:53] - Dave: Basically any episode which doesn't make sense was probably written by Joss.
-Paul[2004-11-01 13:11:23] - oops. credited as sole creator but he gives much of the credit to tim minear in the commentaries - vinnie
[2004-11-01 13:10:09] - dave: no. character creation on firefly and co-creator (not even sole creator!)
- vinnie[2004-11-01 12:55:46] - Paul: I loved firefly tho, and he did that himself, yes? -dave
[2004-11-01 12:55:18] - paul: ahhh. I dunno which ones those are / were -dave
[2004-11-01 12:43:32] - Dave: Yeah, I think I tend to like the work he did on the overall story arcs and character development stuff, it's just that the episodes which he himself wrote tend to be some of my least favorite ones.
-paul[2004-11-01 12:39:52] - Paul: errr, some of the comments credit him for several -dave
[2004-11-01 12:39:21] - Paul: I think whedon did some writing / directing for Buffy / Angel. Or at least I know that in some of the comments made in the 'extras' credit him with several of the plot twists -dave
[2004-11-01 12:14:23] - Travis: That's true, although I think I like whedon much more as a producer (or whatever role he had in creating Buffy and Angel) then as a writer or director. -Paul
[2004-11-01 12:04:59] - paul: it actually allows him to concentrate on making movies and possibly continue writing astonishing x-men past his planned 12 issues - travis
[2004-11-01 11:43:22] - paul: That's really creepy and sad
[2004-11-01 11:16:08] - Dave: Look on the bright side, it gives him more time to stump for Kerry.
-Paul[2004-11-01 11:12:36] - paul: that's so sad tho, no more whedon content =( -dave
[2004-11-01 11:00:11] - Travis: Considering they closed down Angel, I'm not surprised. -Paul
[2004-11-01 10:52:26] - "Whedon has closed his production company, Mutant Enemy and opted out of his TV development deal with Twentieth Century Fox" he says he couldn't think of anything the networks would want - travis
[2004-11-01 10:33:52] - http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/11/01/painless.child.ap/index.html Being unable to feel pain can suck. -Paul
[2004-11-01 09:33:56] - Dave: Badnairk has almost raised a million dollars.
-Paul[2004-11-01 08:05:31] - "social attitudes, which include political traits such as liberalism and conservatism, are much more important to people who are choosing mates than physical appearance or personality traits such as extroversion or neuroticism. " -dave
[2004-11-01 08:05:17] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14538-2004Oct31.html opposing party couples -dave
[2004-11-01 07:58:32] - apparently they track you on election day to see if you've voted, and if you haven't by 3pm, give you a reminder phone call ^_^ -dave
[2004-11-01 07:58:11] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14510-2004Oct31.html Something like 300 million to be spent by each party on this past weekend through tues. -dave
[2004-11-01 07:41:40] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041029-4363.html Sony BMG in talks with Grokster to sell / offer music through its P2P service. 0_o -dave
[2004-10-29 17:36:37] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7647-2004Oct28.html economic predictors of the election this year stymied -dave
[2004-10-29 16:20:44] - travis: blast, it's a good thing I warned it, so it has a head start -dave
[2004-10-29 16:19:27] - dave: no no, i'm already off to arrest that rogue hard drive, who knows what dastardly crimes have taken place within its vast expanse of memory - travis
[2004-10-29 16:09:54] - ack, warranty -dave
[2004-10-29 16:09:46] - and a 5 year warrant ^_^ -dave
[2004-10-29 16:09:15] - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-148-032&DEPA=0&CMP=OTC-Fatwa11e7 Seagate 200GB 7200rpm hard drive. $108. $1 for shipping -dave
[2004-10-29 16:07:35] - Dave: I know, I know. I've been watching it go up by like $5 every day for the past couple of weeks.
-Paul[2004-10-29 16:06:13] - a: it's gonna be your fault when he jumps that pretty girl in his office that just walked by ^_^ -dave
[2004-10-29 16:00:31] - paul: stop suppressing natural tendencies. ~a
[2004-10-29 15:58:56] - paul: we shoulda bought Google stock, you know that it's doubled it's price? -dave
[2004-10-29 15:29:32] - a: *Suppressing natural tendencies* Ok
-Paul[2004-10-29 15:22:58] - i think it's interesting that you think (imply) that centralizing power is good for everything or good for nothing. ~a
[2004-10-29 15:12:51] - But perhaps I've said too much. -Paul
[2004-10-29 15:12:06] - Travis: Still without agreeing or disagreeing with the point you brought up, I do think it's interesting that people would think centralizing power is good and trustworthy for some stuff (constructing roads, delivering mail) but not for others (military?). -Paul
[2004-10-29 15:09:19] - Travis: Or, on a bit of a tangent, I was going to latch on to "I trust them as much as I trust people." and ask some questions too. -Paul
[2004-10-29 15:07:52] - Travis: I probably would've asked something like "You trust the navy to protect us from enemies but you don't trust them to not conduct deadly experiments on us?" -Paul
[2004-10-29 15:07:52] - travis: woohoo! as long as I get to have one of those audis ^_^ -dave
[2004-10-29 15:07:19] - Travis: Without necessarily disagreeing with the point you brought up (since I haven't thought about it enough), that wasn't exactly going to be my point since it was decided to break the government down into smaller parts. -Paul
[2004-10-29 15:01:06] - dave: in the future they will, around the same time they automate driving and we wind up in minority report
- travis[2004-10-29 14:59:15] - travis: the govt builds roads that won't crumble apart? 0_o heh heh heh -dave
[2004-10-29 14:56:17] - paul: i know you said you're going to drop the subject, but i just wanted to make sure your stance was that since mel worries about the government experimenting on her sister she shouldn't trust it to do stuff like build roads that won't crumble apart? - travis
[2004-10-29 14:51:09] - a: I'm just going to say I agree with you and drop the subject because I get the feeling that if I continue on I'm going to end up upsetting somebody.
-Paul[2004-10-29 14:47:42] - paul: i have to agree with mel on this one. the government is not one big happy family. it's a group of people with vary differing opinions of right and wrong. you might trust the court systems and distrust the usnavy for instance. ~a
[2004-10-29 13:55:11] - Paul: ok. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:55:00] - Paul: Nothing is black and white. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:54:25] - Mel: Ok, if you don't feel the need to explain any further than I won't ask. -Paul
[2004-10-29 13:54:14] - Paul: Which means that I am craeful to watch out and protect myself and the people I care about. But I don't have any big conspiracy theories and I don't think the government is evil. Its more complicated than that. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:53:27] - Paul: Although the government has done some bad things, the people there are just people too. There really isn't a "government" when you get down to it. I mean, I work for the government. Think about that. The government is just a bunch of regular people. So I trust them as much as I trust people. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:52:24] - Paul: If not, then don't. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:52:12] - Paul: I don't have time right now to get into my opinions. I posted a bunch of factual information. Read it if you're interested. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:51:25] - Paul: I already said that I thyink some type of government is necessary. I'm being realistic. That doesn't mean I have absolute faith in our government. Thats my position. IAnd I don't feel the need to explain any further. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:50:30] - Paul: Thats ok, I don't really feel the need to explian. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:50:17] - I've also heard from my sisters-in-laws brother about "go" and "no-go" pills which are basically speed and sedatives, to allow the pilots to stay awake longer and then to allow them to go to sleep. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:49:11] - Mel: Ok, I don't mean to be critical of your opinions, I just don't quite understand how you can worry that the government might be intentionally harming your sister while trusting it in other aspects. -Paul
[2004-10-29 13:47:53] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA More government experiments.... Some test subjects were given LSD for 77 days straight. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:44:31] - Paul: correction: Persian Gulf Syndrome -mel
[2004-10-29 13:44:19] - Paul: Another example is Persina Gulf Syndrome, which hasn't been fully investigated, but which (specutavily) may have been caused by some sort of biochemical weapon that Us soldiesr were exposed to. Or possibly vaccinations. Or maybe the Syndrom doesn't exist. Who knows? -mel
[2004-10-29 13:41:25] - Paul: And of course (on a personal level) I worry about my sister. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:41:08] - Paul: I think the government is more likely to experiment on soldiesr than on civilians because they can more closely control soldier's lives. The military is more than a 9-5 job. They tell you where to live, what to eat and when, etc. So in particular, I worry about what the government chooses to expose our soldiers to. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:39:42] - Paul: yes, given that those vaccinations have been thouroughly studied, that the pros and cons have been wiehged, and that it has been open to public inquiry. -mel
[2004-10-29 13:39:13] - http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/research/stanley.htm The government secretly administered LSD to soldiers to test its affect on human subjects. -mel
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