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[2005-04-05 16:39:07] - eh, it's kind of like amazon and it's one-click shopping thing. they want to own something that is just too public domain. cases like this just make that association stronger - vinnie
[2005-04-05 16:33:47] - Aaron: That's what I thought the issue was going to be about when I read the headline. I was shocked when I read that it could be related to breast cancer. Do people really see the color pink and immediately think of breast cancer? -paul
[2005-04-05 16:30:45] - Isn't assigning the color pink to loafing basketball players more directly offensive to just, women in general? I mean, it's an effeminate color, to me it's like making a person play in a dress, or with a wig on . . . I can see how it's offensive in that way - aaron
[2005-04-05 16:27:53] - vinnie: time to change your signature color, breasty
[2005-04-05 16:25:46] - I want to know what the color is for prostate cancer survivors and their supporters -Paul
[2005-04-05 16:22:58] - burnt orange?! how dare they offend courageous burn victims! - vinnie
[2005-04-05 16:08:08] - a: Good call. It's not offensive to breast cancer survivors, it provokes negative reactions. In an unrelated note, breast cancer survivors and their supporters often wear pink ribbons. -Paul
[2005-04-05 16:05:48] - paul: no it's not.
~a[2005-04-05 15:55:43] - http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3516748 Assigning loafing basketball players to wear pink is offensive to breast cancer survivors. -Paul
[2005-04-05 15:52:37] - vinnie: yes - I can make it but i'm going to be late - i need to close up some stuff at my old apartment - aaron
[2005-04-05 15:51:54] - lori: There's a <a href="http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Surgeons_reattach_boy%27s_three_severed_limbs"/>link</a> at the bottom to the previous article describing in how he lost his limbs. A brick wall collapsed on top of him while he was performing a slam dunk. - aaron
[2005-04-05 15:51:44] - i once saw a forklift lift a crate of forks. and it was way too literal for me. -mh
[2005-04-05 15:51:11] - aaron: did you get amy's e-mail? - vinnie
[2005-04-05 15:49:00] - aaron: How did he lose them? The article didn't say. - lori
[2005-04-05 15:40:16] - http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Triple_limb-reattachment_fails_-_boy_loses_foot triple limb reattachment fails, boy loses foot. i think i mentioned this to some people the other day, things looked successful but i guess something went wrong. - aaron
[2005-04-05 14:08:06] - your dad took out a second mortgage to buy you a horse. you loved it, and took better care for it than yourself. you command it, cleaned it, and fed it apples every day. i was broke, drunk, and hungry, so i killed your horse, and ate it.
[2005-04-05 14:03:51] - aba: your birthday was on sunday? eek sorry (and a late happy birthday) - vinnie
[2005-04-05 13:29:49] - aaron: weird. when i send email to that address from my work computer, i do not get any errors. ~a
[2005-04-05 13:21:05] - a: "the recipient name is not recognized" - aaron
[2005-04-05 13:05:49] - thanks for the late birthday wishes
- aba[2005-04-05 12:58:30] - aaron: i got your email. what error did you get? ~a
[2005-04-05 12:53:14] - a: i'm getting an error trying to send you e-mail. My cell phone is dying so if you need to contact me send me an e-mail, (to my pragmatics address), ok? - aaron
[2005-04-05 12:52:14] - a: until microsoft drastically reduces the cost on Windows pr0n - aaron
[2005-04-05 12:49:41] - that runs linux. yay. ~a
[2005-04-05 12:21:07] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/04/04/hundred.dollar.laptops.ap/index.html mit developing $100 laptops for children - aaron
[2005-04-05 12:12:34] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/04/04/spark.clocky/index.html this sounds like a really cute clock - i just imagine it finding its way into someone else's apartment, or right next to a sleeping pet! Ha ha ha ha - aaron
[2005-04-05 12:10:22] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/05/delivery.man.reut/index.html how in the world does one go about getting involuntarily stuck in an elevator for 3 days?!?! was it a space elevator? - aaron
[2005-04-05 12:01:45] - dvd jon was 16 when he wrote decss? i didn't know that. ~a
[2005-04-05 11:38:00] - a: Yeah, none of hawaii has great coverage. - aaron
[2005-04-05 11:29:03] - aaron: yeah. there is a box around hawaii after you zoom in past a certain point. ~a
[2005-04-05 11:24:17] - a: a co-worker of mine showed it to me a few weeks ago. - mig
[2005-04-05 11:11:12] - they don't let you zoom in past a certain level over other countries - but you can still view geographic details like mountains and deserts, pretty cool - aaron
[2005-04-05 11:05:46] - directions are highlighted on the satellite map too - wowwww - aaron
[2005-04-05 10:58:29] - well . . . you guys already knew about google maps though, right? ~a
[2005-04-05 10:57:16] - a: That is incredibly cool - i remember seeing something like that in mapquest but you couldn't zoom it in and out - aaron
[2005-04-05 10:26:20] - mig: they just added satelite support last night. ~a
[2005-04-05 10:21:16] - you can see them building the mixing bowl . . . this looks like a year old (which is much newer than microsoft's thing). ~a
[2005-04-05 10:17:13] - Vinnie: Zooming out is not so pretty though.
-Paul[2005-04-05 10:16:13] - yeah google maps is pretty amazing. - mig
[2005-04-05 10:12:41] - you can just drag around and see the whole map! ahhhh how awesome! - vinnie
[2005-04-05 10:11:28] - a: holy jesus that is cool - vinnie
[2005-04-05 10:09:48] - Also, I'm a bit distrubed by the subliminal advertising being done there.
-Paul[2005-04-05 10:09:10] - a: Didn't Mapquest used to have something like that? -Paul
[2005-04-05 10:08:50] - a: Besides, amount of money spent has very little to do with quality of service. Look at almost anything the government has thrown more money at over the past few decades. The problems usually get worse. -Paul
[2005-04-05 10:08:07] - a: I don't see how you can know that. Just like I can't know that people would give enough money to charity in an AC society you can't know that they wouldn't. -Paul
[2005-04-05 10:07:58] - omg, this is so cool my apt ~a
[2005-04-05 10:05:42] - 241 billion can't buy much (i know it would be higher in a/c, but still) ~a
[2005-04-05 10:05:20] - i'm not saying that cherity wouldn't work at all, i'm just saying it wouldn't provide the level of service that we enjoy now. ~a
[2005-04-05 10:04:37] - paul: as i'm arguing with miguel, it is not a misconception. ~a
[2005-04-05 10:03:32] - mig: because it seems pretty silly to say americans pay for services that they do not use (as a general rule) especially if you don't. ~a
[2005-04-05 10:02:23] - I think there is a common misconception that with government, everybody would be greedy and only do stuff for others if they got something in return and that only the government can really give out charity. -Paul
[2005-04-05 10:01:25] - a: Right, there are a lot of institutions right now that can't exist purely as businesses but that doesn't mean they can't exist in an anarcho-capitalist society. -Paul
[2005-04-05 09:58:35] - paul: my mom used to work at the woodburn emergency center (it's a psychological thing). most of the people who came there had no job or money and pretty much nobody could pay anything. ~a
[2005-04-05 09:55:36] - a: Something like Welfare?
-Paul[2005-04-05 09:54:57] - a: why? - mig
[2005-04-05 09:54:57] - Aaron: Probably. At the very least I can't imagine them refusing to send an ambulance until they get payment confirmation. Too big of a public relations nightmare. They would probably send the ambulance and just absorb the hit from those few who don't end up paying. -Paul
[2005-04-05 09:51:49] - paul: 911 is a bad example anyways. 911 is a service where many of the users could pay for all of the costs. there are many services where all of the users couldn't pay for a tenth of the cost. ~a
[2005-04-05 09:49:15] - mig: i don't think it's beside the point. i think it's pertinent to the point. ~a
[2005-04-05 09:44:27] - paul: Well i imagine it would be subscription-based, like insurance. - aaron
[2005-04-05 09:44:08] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050404-4770.html Old news, I know, but another article about how DDR can help fight obesity. -Paul
[2005-04-05 09:33:33] - Aaron: I'm not entirely sure that's an accurate representation of what 911 service would be like in an anarcho-capitalistic world, but it's a common conception of one of the downfalls. -Paul
[2005-04-05 09:32:13] - Aaron: There was a book called "Jennifer Government" which has something a little bit like what you're talking about. It's a kind of anarcho-capitalistic world and somebody calls 911 and they ask for a credit card number before they send an ambulance. -Paul
[2005-04-05 09:19:21] - http://www.aafrc.org/press_releases/trustreleases/americansgive.html whether i do or not is beside the point, many people still give to charity, despite being taxed to hell. - mig
[2005-04-05 09:19:17] - i know if i wasn't paying taxes, i would be donating more. but i'm also realistic, i know that i wouldn't donate 30% (or whatever the tax rate is) and i know that many wouldn't donate anything. ~a
[2005-04-05 09:17:21] - i'm guessing if you weren't paying taxes, then all that money would not be going to charities. ~a
[2005-04-05 09:16:15] - mig: how much do you donate to said charities? ~a
[2005-04-05 09:15:35] - and besides that, should everyone be forced to receive crummy service at an inflated price just because some can't afford it? - mig
[2005-04-05 09:12:08] - a: well, private charities do exist, do they not? - mig
[2005-04-05 09:10:26] - a: how do you know private businesses wouldn't make services cheap enough to be affordable by everyone? - mig
[2005-04-05 09:08:46] - i.e. some services are unaffordable to certain people no matter how much they cost. if you have $0 and no job, then it's pretty hard for a business to make a proffit by making a service more "affordable" to you. ~a
[2005-04-05 08:57:26] - mig: how are you going to get a business to support a service for people who can't pay for them? ~a
[2005-04-05 08:36:10] - a: maybe they'd be affordable if usgov didn't have a monopoly over those services, or had any accountability over the quality of said services. - mig
[2005-04-05 07:43:41] - aaron: many of usa's services are used by people who can't afford them. ~a
[2005-04-04 23:58:10] - (i.e you didn't file taxes properly, your kid is yanked from school system for 1 year) - aaron
[2005-04-04 23:57:54] - paul: Yeah but it was kind of silly and unrealistic. In a true anarcho-capitalist kind of world 911 would obviously be a service you'd sign up for just like everything else. I guess I was thinking more, what if taxes were voluntary, and USA's services were equally voluntary - aaron
[2005-04-04 18:11:33] - Aaron: Is that about taxes being voluntary? -Paul
[2005-04-04 18:11:03] - Vinnie: Yeah, if I had to guess, I would say that a guy giving a girl oral sex would be considered a bit demeaning also. -Paul
[2005-04-04 16:47:42] - paul: in that sopranos episode, it was seen as being whipped for a guy to give a girl oral sex - vinnie
[2005-04-04 15:59:45] - paul: "911, my wife is having a heartattack!" "well i'd love to help you but - it seems you forgot to file $3.78 of taxable interest this year...." - aaron
[2005-04-04 15:11:31] - mig: So that's what life would've been like had I invented the finglonger... -Paul
[2005-04-04 15:08:25] - paul: a man can dream, though. a man can dream.... - mig
[2005-04-04 15:03:46] - Dave: If only all taxes could be voluntary... -Paul
[2005-04-04 15:02:20] - http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/psp.ars Ars review of the PSP. -dave
[2005-04-04 14:58:34] - meaning, there is no enforcement -dave
[2005-04-04 14:58:27] - what's even funnier about the proposed sales tax is that it is voluntary -dave
[2005-04-04 14:57:49] - Paul: If he assassinates someone, everyone will always hear his middle name ^_^ -dave
[2005-04-04 14:57:11] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050309-4689.html WI governor proposes State sales tax on...downloads 0_o -dave
[2005-04-04 14:56:22] - Dave: I'm surprised people are willing to pay that much for a middle name. How often do you hear somebody's middle name? -Paul
[2005-04-04 14:55:03] - dave: I couldn't find it on ebay when i searched. Bah fun searches always get taken down. - aaron
[2005-04-04 14:52:31] - Paul: be interesting to see the list of guarantees he gives, like whether he'll change it again, and if not, fo how long, etc -dave
[2005-04-04 14:52:16] - paul: Oooh. I like that. I'll think about it. - aaron
[2005-04-04 14:51:33] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/04/04/spark.pandas.reut/index.html Pandas get broadband ^_^ -dave
[2005-04-04 14:50:22] - I think giving him a middle name of "pedophile" would make him think twice about doing something like this again.
-Paul[2005-04-04 14:48:27] - oops, on top of the APC, not NPC -dave
[2005-04-04 14:47:57] - ""If he wants to walk around with 'Fool' as his middle name, that's his problem," said Rouse's wife, Corinna Rouse. "If someone changes his name to 'Poophead,' he may decide it's a little more important than he thought."" -dave
[2005-04-04 14:47:26] - "His older brother, Bill Rouse, 46, of Mesa, Arizona, bid $1,500 for the name. "Basically, he's trying to dump our grandfather's name, and I'm trying to buy it and make it stay as it is," Bill Rouse said." -dave
[2005-04-04 14:46:52] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/04/ebay.name.ap/index.html Man is auctioning off his own middle name on eBay (he's going to change his middle name to whatever the person who wins chooses). He's promised not to obscure it either. Current bid is at $2.1k -dave
[2005-04-04 14:42:41] - a: because the 50 caliber machine gun was on top of the NPC and it didn't have a shield or anything. He needed the gun to shoot at the bad guys, so he was unprotected -dave
[2005-04-04 14:37:02] - a: Because he was brave.
-Paul[2005-04-04 14:36:35] - (i'm sure there is a reason, but) i wonder why he chose an unprotected position instead of a protected one. "Sgt. 1st Class Smith fired on the advancing enemy from the unprotected position atop the APC" ~a
[2005-04-04 14:34:23] - Aaron: Can you maybe put the TV in a corner and have the couch and chair form a new, smaller square with the TV and the walls? -Paul
[2005-04-04 14:31:34] - (that is, that's the bad thing about the couch being parallel to the wall) - aaron
[2005-04-04 14:31:20] - paul: The bad thing about the couch being flush against the wall, is that I also have a chair which needs to go somewhere, and the room isn't big enough to have the couch and chair side by side like we used to have them - aaron
[2005-04-04 14:30:37] - paul: Yeah, i'm playing with it. Right now i have the couch kind of diagonal and the TV up pretty close. I'm going with a dynamic living room setup and just moving things where they are comfortable for now - aaron
[2005-04-04 14:27:15] - Aaron: Maybe you can put the coach in the middle of the room instead of against a wall then? -Paul
[2005-04-04 14:25:43] - paul: Now i'm just stumped on how to make use of the new space because it's like, a square instead of a rectangle. If i just put the couch on one side and the TV on the other, then they're like 12 feet apart and I can't play video games - aaron
[2005-04-04 14:25:00] - paul: The move went OK, we got all the big stuff moved (couch, chair, desks, etc) and it was a hassle but we got it done - aaron
[2005-04-04 14:22:06] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25010-2005Apr4.html Medal of Honor to be awarded posthumously -dave
[2005-04-04 14:04:32] - Dave: And I think Vinnie also pointed out that companies can be considered a form of government too. -Paul
[2005-04-04 14:03:05] - Paul: Yeah, even families themselves are a sort of govt -dave
[2005-04-04 14:02:16] - aaron: the race would probably die out though, since it's hard to imagine any procreation without any communication -dave
[2005-04-04 13:51:38] - Aaron: How did the move go this past weekend? Smoothly I hope? Like your new place? -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:43:09] - dave: I don't think you can have government without communication, so if everyone was too angry, or too stupid, or too paranoid to communicate with eachother then there would be no government - aaron
[2005-04-04 13:42:23] - Dave: I tend to concur. You might be able to have a world without governments for a little bit of time, but I think it's just natural for people to band together and form governments. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:42:16] - dave: You could if you could stop everybody from communicating somehow (which isn't super-impossible... but it's pretty hard) - aaron
[2005-04-04 13:38:37] - Paul: (shrug) then I doubt you could get a world with no govts, because even a group of 4-5 families living near each other would probably band together for mutual protection -dave
[2005-04-04 13:37:49] - Paul: I dunno if you think they are accurate, but most people's impressions of what it would be like without govts sorta coincides with that. Look at movies of places with no govts, The Postman, Waterworld, etc. Course, they ARE movies -dave
[2005-04-04 13:37:13] - Dave: Well, I find it hard to imagine a world without governments because those small communites could easily be considered governments themselves. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:36:34] - Dave: Right, I didn't quite phrase that right. I meant the "problem" as it exists now, after whatever prevention the government does. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:36:04] - Paul: Oh I dunno, I don't think it's that hard to imagine would life might be like without govts. I personally think people would end up banding into small communities and everyone would have firearms, sorta like the "wild west" -dave
[2005-04-04 13:35:55] - But, again, it could be entirely possible. I just think most people don't realize just how much more likely a random person is to be murdered by a government than from some independent person. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:34:49] - Paul: yeah, I agree, we have no conclusive way of knowing atm. I was just taking exception to your statement that "the "solution" causes 20 times more deaths over a century than the "problem"," since we don't have numbers stating how bad the "problem" was or is -dave
[2005-04-04 13:33:52] - And that would only be in order for it to break even. They would have to be preventing an even higher percentage in order for it to be a good trade. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:33:42] - paul: well government does try to prevent people from killing each other, it just asserts a monopoly over killing. - mig
[2005-04-04 13:33:22] - I just find it hard to believe that the existence of governments are somehow preventing 95% of possible murders. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:32:49] - For all we know, having no government could cause even less murders to occur (in addition to getting rid of government murders). We have no way of knowing either way. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:32:16] - Dave: Right, but we don't have numbers for that time so we can never really know unless we tried. I'm just saying it seems equally as false to claim that government is good because it prevents people from killing eachother. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:30:59] - Dave: I'm not sure I get what you mean by tallying up murders occuring worldwide. I think those numbers Vox gave WERE worldwide. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:30:30] - Paul: maybe indian tribe deaths might come close, but even then the tribes themselves were sorta govts. If you count them as not being govts, they killed an awful lot of each other -dave
[2005-04-04 13:29:51] - Paul: well, but see that statistic isn't really true, since you'd have to get statistics of murders from a time when there was no govt -dave
[2005-04-04 13:26:35] - Dave: Right, I'm not proposing it as a fact or anything. I'm just saying that when the "solution" causes 20 times more deaths over a century than the "problem", then it might be reasonable to think about getting rid of the solution and seeing if living with the problem is better. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:26:00] - blech, tally up the murders -dave
[2005-04-04 13:25:26] - because of -dave
[2005-04-04 13:25:13] - Paul: that's rather an elementary view though, isn't it? Not that I'm saying this is true, but one could argue that it is precisely because govts that normal urban areas have fewer murders, etc -dave
[2005-04-04 13:24:18] - Paul: and you have to wonder since although war-zones etc are very concentrated, you have to tally about the murders occurring worldwide. -dave
[2005-04-04 13:24:07] - Basically that the threat of random murders is far outweighed by the threat of a government killing you somehow, at least on average. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:23:37] - Dave: Living in the US probably skews things because nobody really picks fights with us anymore but I think the original point was that I was trying to say that there is compelling evidence to think that there would be far less killing in a world without governments than in our current world. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:23:18] - Paul: if you're talking worldwide statistic, than you're probably right. About the Iraqis, yeah, you're probably right. Although your chances are reduced if you're not an active insurgent, unless you count those killed by insurgents -dave
[2005-04-04 13:21:16] - Besides, even if you can see it coming, it doesn't make things much easier. If you're a average Iraqi and you see the US is about to come with the beat-down, what do you do? Can you afford to just leave everything behind because you might get killed? -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:21:05] - Paul: I guess I'm assuming we're talking about inside the US though -dave
[2005-04-04 13:20:29] - Paul: well, think of it this way, if you live in a major city, your likelihood of being shot by some psycho is probably much higher than being killed by a govt -dave
[2005-04-04 13:20:12] - For every somewhat random murder (I'm guessing it's far from random and probably is far more common in certain areas, like inner cities, than others), there are supposedly over 20 slightly less random murders by governments. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:18:29] - Dave: Maybe, and I don't know if I remember the exact context of the original argument, but there's such a huge disparity in the pure numbers that I don't know if it matters much that you can see government death coming a little bit more. -Paul
[2005-04-04 13:15:14] - Paul: yeah, I think the point is that it's probably much easier to figure out and therefore potentially avoid being killed by a govt. Murderers can be a lot more "random" -dave
[2005-04-04 13:14:09] - aaron: you're right, that is a little bit different. i'm looking through the cognitive biases and memory biases and can't find it. ~a
[2005-04-04 12:52:05] - paul: Yes, but U.S government never finishes anything it starts so you have nothing to worry about here (except incarcaration) - aaron
[2005-04-04 12:50:50] - let's take world war 2 for example. 55 million dead. For murders to catch up they would have had to murder around 1400 people per day since 1900. - mig
[2005-04-04 12:50:23] - Mig: Yeah, and that's not even taking into account places like Africa and the Middle East and Southeast Asia. -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:48:51] - Dave: That could be it too. And maybe men see it as a downpayment on future sexual favors.
-Paul[2005-04-04 12:47:00] - http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5326006.html Best Buy to stop offering mail-in rebates. -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:45:59] - a: (re "are you sure?") Right, well the study they listed in Wikipedia demonstrated that people seek out knowledge that proves their theory, not that people only remember knowledge that proves their theory - aaron
[2005-04-04 12:45:03] - and then there's the stalin purges... - mig
[2005-04-04 12:44:31] - well i think you can make a case for it just simply going by the numbers for ww1 and ww2 alone. - mig
[2005-04-04 12:41:59] - Paul: also, since guys are perceived to want sex more than girls, people probably think the guy may enjoy the giving more or more often than a girl -dave
[2005-04-04 12:41:02] - mig: Yeah, I think you and Aaron and I were discussing it and I had trouble finding numbers to support my case. Of course, I have no idea where Vox got his numbers. -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:40:33] - Dave: That would be my thought too but I wonder how real that perception is. Does that mean that guys are more willing to give oral sex to women than women are to give oral sex to men? -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:36:14] - Paul: my thought would be it may be more "demeaning" for the girl since people usually can think of a girl being "forced" to give oral sex whereas people normally don't think of a guy being "forced" to -dave
[2005-04-04 12:28:54] - i belive it was discussed a bit when i made a comment to that effect on angrypeons - mig
[2005-04-04 12:23:10] - a: Ok, so it's not like women performing oral sex, where society tends to view it as demeaning to the woman? -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:22:02] - Err... change "the government" to "a government". -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:21:21] - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43625 Second to last paragraph. Wasn't there a discussion sometime about the chance of getting killed by a random murderer and the chance of getting killed by the government? -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:19:21] - paul: i'd probably say the latter . . . but when it comes to anybody but imo, the answer is usually going to be "it depends" ~a
[2005-04-04 12:15:51] - a: Right. I guess I was just wondering if a male giving a female oral sex is considered demeaning by his peers ("Man, you're so whipped") or something praise-worthy ("Dude, you got to X base!"). -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:12:37] - there are too many variables. the action involves two people . . . who it's demeaning to is a third person (with overlap of course) . . . and in who's perspective is a fourth person (i.e. media, imo, parent of one or both people involved). ~a
[2005-04-04 12:08:14] - Vinnie: Girls giving oral sex is more acceptable than guys giving oral sex? -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:07:42] - a: Yeah, see, I'm not sure I understand the logic of why any one is more demeaning than the other (or necessarily why it's demeaning at all). -Paul
[2005-04-04 12:07:34] - paul: for guys, giving, easily. for girls, probably also giving but it's more acceptable. there was a whole sopranos episode about this, btw - vinnie
[2005-04-04 12:07:34] - or why i think other people feel this way. ~a
[2005-04-04 12:06:30] - but, of course, i'm not exactly sure why i feel this way. ~a
[2005-04-04 12:05:14] - paul: female giving or female getting demeaning to female? i'd say giving. ~a
[2005-04-04 12:03:41] - a: But which is more demeaning? Giving or getting? -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:59:01] - paul: nope. in fact i think they both are (maybe / sometimes / imho) thought of as demeaning to the female (giving and getting). males are dirty
~a[2005-04-04 11:57:38] - mel: Probably, I just can't think of any specific examples I can point to in the media that would slant my perspective. -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:57:01] - aaron: are you sure? it's what i thought it meant: people tend "to ignore ... evidence that might discount their claims". people only remember the things that help prove their theories (when i drive up to this traffic light, it is ALWAYS red) ~a
[2005-04-04 11:56:56] - a: I was going to comment on that too, that a female performing oral sex is thought of as being demeaning and somewhat disturbing, but do those same stigmas apply to a male performing oral sex? -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:55:43] - a: haha. I got a kick out of your wikipedia references. -mel
[2005-04-04 11:55:20] - paul: interesting fact. For some reason I find that surprising too. I think its influence from media/movies that slants our perspective. -mel
[2005-04-04 11:54:16] - haha -mel
[2005-04-04 11:53:44] - esp parents of girls. ~a
[2005-04-04 11:52:54] - paul: because only one of the two is a revolting thought for parents. ~a
[2005-04-04 11:47:22] - a: I just thought that was kinda surprising. Not sure why. I guess it's because it seems like most articles always interview some 14 year old girl that talks about giving oral sex to some boy but I hardly ever seem to hear about some boy talking about giving oral sex to a girl. -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:47:13] - a: Hmm their description of confirmation bias is different than what I was thinking about. - aaron
[2005-04-04 11:33:33] - paul: that's because boys are nicer than girls
~a[2005-04-04 11:31:51] - a: I doubt it. As far as I can remember today was the first time I had visited it. I could be wrong though. -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:31:17] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=3&u=/nm/20050404/od_nm/health_sex_dc It was more common for boys to have performed oral sex on girls than vice versa, the report said. -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:30:06] - paul: i looked at the history and it seems like that was edited out three days ago. did you go to the page three days ago? ~a
[2005-04-04 11:28:15] - Hmmm, I guess the article has changed since I read it. The list is greatly truncated now and the line I quoted is missing. -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:26:54] - "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" (all capitals) and typically proceed to reverse the order of words in that story's headline, usually changing the verb slightly to maintain subject/verb agreement and changing the object of the sentence to the second-person "YOU!". Thus, '[subject][verb][object]' usually becomes 'IN SOVIET RUSSIA, [object][verb] YOU!'
[2005-04-04 11:12:21] - a: The wiki article on the Chewbacca Defense. There is a list of all the things wrong with what Cochrane says and concludes with that line. -Paul
[2005-04-04 11:10:42] - paul: what are you referencing? ~a
[2005-04-04 11:06:09] - "Above all it may be worth noting that the whole story was written for television"
-Paul[2005-04-04 11:01:38] - chewbacca defense
[2005-04-04 10:59:54] - love shyness
[2005-04-04 10:46:05] - a: Well, he was half right. -Paul
[2005-04-04 10:42:29] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking i love the second example regarding paul wolfowitz. ~a
[2005-04-04 10:38:22] - aaron: confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance definitions (we were talking about them earlier) ~a
[2005-04-04 10:20:16] - mig: i thought the article was fine up until "Hey, shooting people is fun." ~a
[2005-04-04 10:19:51] - mig: Actually last time I was in Spencer's they had a game with four buzzers and a light bulb - when the light bulb went on, the last person to press their buzzer got electrocuted (and presumably, take a shot) - aaron
[2005-04-04 10:18:46] - mig: I've seen videos of that kind of stuff being used in police simulators, it was kind of freaky. Obviously could be dangerous for home use but if marketeers can convince people that electrocuting yourself is good exercise, they can probably put an entertainment spin on it as well - aaron
[2005-04-04 10:03:56] - seriously though, while this has certain useful military applications, whoever decided that releasing this for public consumption is a good idea should have their lawyers executed immediately. - mig
[2005-04-04 10:01:27] - http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Coming-soon-a-PC-combat-game-that-shoots-back/2005/04/02/1112302293552.html in soviet russia, games shoot you! - mig
[2005-04-04 09:57:20] - dave: wow, piracy is sure hurting the mpaa indeed! - mig
[2005-04-04 08:55:46] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050402-4767.html MGM slides which show up on publicly accessible portion of their webserver, show that net profit on a DVD is around 50 - 60%. So it costs $9 to make, advertise, distribute, etc, and $11 is pure profit -dave
[2005-04-02 23:34:00] - wow. i have a webpage. ~a
[2005-04-01 17:18:34] - http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/pandaren-xpress.html world of warcraft allowing players to order chinese food in-game. - mig
[2005-04-01 15:13:50] - http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news050401_nissan/ woman gets her Nissan for free for being the 1 millionth customer (within one year) -dave
[2005-04-01 14:53:47] - Vinnie: Yeah, I heard it on the radio this morning. It pales a little compared to the other people who have died, but in any other week I imagine it would've been a slightly bigger story. -Paul
[2005-04-01 14:38:21] - supporting financially that is -dave
[2005-04-01 14:38:01] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050328-4740.html Mark Cuban supporting Grokster in the Supreme court case of Grokster vs. MGM -dave
[2005-04-01 14:35:10] - paul: frank perdue? wow I didn't hear about him dying - vinnie
[2005-04-01 14:33:45] - paul: yeah no kidding. - mig
[2005-04-01 14:32:32] - Sounds like the Pope is dying today too. Throw in Frank Perdue and there have been some big deaths the past few days. -Paul
[2005-04-01 13:25:55] - Paul: I would guess it was imrpovised -dave
[2005-04-01 13:16:01] - Aaron: Yeah, I was kinda surprised. I wouldn't expect the White House to do an April Fool's Day joke. I wonder if it was planned or just improvised. -Paul
[2005-04-01 12:57:50] - http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Columnists/Fiu/Big_Conference.htm big ten announces name change. - mig
[2005-04-01 12:55:51] - paul: #4 is great, how the white house correspondant played along with it
- aaron[2005-04-01 12:39:57] - On a traffic light green means go and yellow means yield, but on a banana it's just the opposite. Green means hold on, yellow means go ahead, and red means where the fuck did you get that banana at... - mitch
[2005-04-01 12:23:45] - http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/top100.html/index I can't believe people fell for some of these. -Paul
[2005-04-01 11:24:22] - 2-in-1 is a bullshit term, because 1 is not big enough to hold 2. That's why 2 was created. - mitch
[2005-04-01 11:22:23] - ok I'm done - mitch
[2005-04-01 11:22:18] - "The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how much I play, I'll never be as good a a wall. I played a wall once. They're relentless." - mitch
[2005-04-01 11:17:58] - ...Bush, search party of three! You can eat when you find the Dufresnes." - mtch
[2005-04-01 11:17:46] - ..."Bush, party of three." Yeah, but what happened to the Dufresnes? No one seems to give a shit. Who can eat at a time like this - people are missing. You fuckers are selfish... the Dufresnes are in someone's trunk right now, with duct tape over their mouths. And they're hungry! That's a double whammy...
[2005-04-01 11:17:31] - "When you go to a restaurant on the weekends and it's busy they start a waiting list. They start calling out names, they say "Dufresne, party of two. Dufresne, party of two." And if no one answers they'll say their name again. "Dufresne, party of two, Dufresne, party of two." But then if no one answers they'll just go right on to the next name...
[2005-04-01 11:15:18] - ...Some skeptical friend... don’t even act like I didn't buy a doughnut, I've got the documentation right here. Oh wait, it's back home in the file... under "D", for doughnut." - mitch
[2005-04-01 11:15:07] - "I bought a doughnut and they gave me a receipt for the doughnut. I don't need a receipt for the doughnut - I'll just give you money and you give me the doughnut. End of transaction. We don't need to bring ink and paper into this. I can't imagine a scenario in which I would need to prove that I bought a doughnut...
[2005-04-01 11:09:53] - "I wrote a script for a guy, and he said he liked it but he thought that I need to rewrite it. I said, "Fuck that, I'll just make a copy." - mitch
[2005-04-01 10:57:09] - Vinnie: I never watched much of his stuff but I know I saw some of it at Adrian and Aaron's old place and Travis quoted him a lot and the Fark thread on his death had a lot of his quotes and he seemed like a hilarious guy. I might have to watch/listen to more of his stuff. -Paul
[2005-04-01 10:55:19] - http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0504_hpinissan/ HPI Racing mod of 350Z (costs $300k) hits speed of 370mph (180mph is the NASCAR mark apparently) -dave
[2005-04-01 10:52:42] - "If you had a friend who was a tightrope walker, and you were walking down a sidewalk, and he fell, that would be completely unacceptable." - mitch
[2005-04-01 10:49:49] - "I think Pringles' initial intention was to make tennis balls. But on the day that the rubber was supposed to show up, a big truckload of potatoes arrived. But Pringles is a laid-back company. They said "Fuck it. Cut 'em up."" - mitch
[2005-04-01 10:47:06] - "I had a bag of Fritos. They were Texas grilled Fritos. These Fritos had grill marks on them. Hell yeah. Reminds me of summer time, when we used to fire up the barbeque and throw down some Fritos. I can still see my dad with the apron on. 'Better flip that Frito, Dad. You know how I like mine.'" - mitch
[2005-04-01 10:46:37] - "I got a rental car, and accidentally left the emergency parking brake on for ten minutes. That doesn't say much for me, but it says even less for the "Emergency Parking Brake." It should be called the "Emergency Make The Car Smell Funny Lever." - mitch
[2005-04-01 10:46:14] - aaron: that's him, yes. god he was easily one of my favorite comedians
- vinnie[2005-04-01 10:30:20] - vinnie: If so that picture doesn't look anything like i remember - aaron
[2005-04-01 10:29:58] - vinnie: he was the author of the "relax!!!" line we're always quoting right? - aaron
[2005-04-01 10:27:39] - vinnie: i checked as well. looks like it's true
- mig[2005-04-01 10:25:51] - I do realize today is april fools, but this is being covered everywhere by major newspapers so I think it's true - vinnie
[2005-04-01 10:19:27] - mitch hedberg rip
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/headline/features/3112640 - vinnie[2005-04-01 08:02:30] - http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24039 Win XP Pro 64-bit edition gone gold -dave
[2005-04-01 08:01:30] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050331-4764.html Google ups email storage to 2GB, and then increases your storage limit daily. As is commented on in the article, this is mostly a marketing gimmick as very few use more than even 30MB -dave
[2005-04-01 07:52:01] - pierce: it's just like a person who was dirt poor growing up appreciating being middle class a whole lot more than someone who has has been middle class their entire life -dave
[2005-04-01 07:51:13] - pierce: well, I said that because usually the ones came from extreme backgrounds generally have a very strong faith since they can clearly see what their life was before and after. Christians who grow up in Christian families etc, can often be less dynamic because it is easier to just see their religion as just the normal way of life -dave
[2005-03-31 18:37:14] - dave: it's interesting that you pinpointed the "most dynamic" christians you know. What about the average ones? Were they mostly from high-exposure or low-exposure environments? - pierce
[2005-03-31 16:23:28] - dave: Fair enough, it was just a guess. - aaron
[2005-03-31 15:14:18] - aaron: I'm not sure whether they'd be exceptions or more the norm tho -dave
[2005-03-31 15:13:58] - aaron: the majority of the most dynamic christians that I know come from very extreme backgrounds that included things like that -dave
[2005-03-31 15:13:27] - aaron: I guess, I'm not sure I buy that people exposed to those things more would be more liberal than conservative -dave
[2005-03-31 15:12:49] - http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=LNA%2FMGArticle%2FLNA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031781812615&path=! mock trial finds lincoln guilty of war crimes. - mig
[2005-03-31 15:09:43] - dave: I think that's a good explanation. It would also explain why people in big cities (new york, dc, etc) also tend to become more liberal - aaron
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