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[2005-05-06 16:26:37] - right. why did they reschedule for mothers day? ~a
[2005-05-06 16:13:50] - I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but Sunday is Mother's day so some people might be busy. -Paul
[2005-05-06 16:03:17] - ultimate_people: well... we could plan our own sunday ultimate event... -amy
[2005-05-06 16:01:45] - a: Never heard anything about it. I'm guessing it fell apart. Sorry. -Paul
[2005-05-06 15:51:38] - amy: i think paul's work was planning a sunday ultimate event. paul, what's the status of that? ~a
[2005-05-06 15:49:49] - ultimate_people: well... i don't really want to play 1 on 1 ultimate (sorry mig)... with adrian and paul out it is doubtful we'll be able to get enough people together for a real game. i'll send out an email if anything changes but it looks like ultimate is off tomorrow .( -amy
[2005-05-06 15:46:04] - amy: i'm busy saturday
~a[2005-05-06 15:45:30] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050506-4883.html Sony's UMD format cracked -dave
[2005-05-06 15:38:05] - Amy: I might be able to come for a little bit but I would put my chances at less than 50% right now. Sorry. -Paul
[2005-05-06 15:37:25] - Dave: That's true, there is a lot that factors into how the media covers things. -Paul
[2005-05-06 15:31:10] - again, this may be just a reflection of public sentiment in that most people just want more programs and more funding, not giving any thought to where the money comes from -dave
[2005-05-06 15:29:03] - it's sort of how you don't usually see the media reporting on social or other programs that they think should be cut, regardless of what the federal budget is and what it can support, they just talk about how bad it is when things do get cut, or when people deny funding to certain programs -dave
[2005-05-06 15:25:59] - this is probably the fault of the public as they enjoy watching sensational news stories -dave
[2005-05-06 15:25:30] - an example of this would be the tendency of media outlets to report "sensational" stories, which can lend a liberal outlook to some things -dave
[2005-05-06 15:24:05] - I mean, it's true that if you find "biased" descriptions and words in an article that you can say that that media source seems to be biased, but just because a media source doesn't have those kind of articles doesn't mean it isn't biased -dave
[2005-05-06 15:23:05] - my two cents about the biasing of things, I don't know about CNN being biased or not, but I think that one perspective that hasn't been mentioned is that a media outlet can be biased based on what it reports on, not just on how it words that coverage -dave
[2005-05-06 15:05:42] - amy: me. - mig
[2005-05-06 15:04:51] - ultimate_people: dude! it's not supposed to rain tomorrow!!! 5 @ vinnie's? who would be in?? -amy
[2005-05-06 14:45:40] - Aaron: I assumed it meant that it could be a controversial trip, but I guess it could have a number of meanings. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:45:08] - Aaron: Possibly. I'm not saying it's wrong to put in there or anything because it's helps impress upon the reader that it could be a contentious trip. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:44:31] - I'm not sure what politically charged means in that context honestly, so I can't really say whether it's unbiased - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:42:55] - paul: Maybe, although I think they were simply clarifying that his tour of europe wasn't just a vacation - that it was politically motivated. Although the sentence seems to work just as well without it, so I'm not sure - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:37:40] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/06/bush.europe/index.html I just picked a random article off the front page. Wouldn't saying something like "politically charged" be similar? Maybe not to the same degree, but it's the same kind of factually based opinion. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:36:42] - I would say that "an abrasive style and a fierce temper" is definitely biased, but it's also something that could be factually based. It's the type of thing that I think CNN and the other networks do (except in different ways). -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:33:44] - Aaron: Based on some of the articles I've read today, it sounds like Fox News (the website at least) is just a little more... colorful than the other networks. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:24:54] - I don't think CNN would describe a politician on either side of the spectrum as having "an abrasive style and a fierce temper" because it's just not something factual. Can you imagine a news anchor saying that? It would sound absurd, like he was disobeying the teleprompter - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:23:02] - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155657,00.html Here's an actual article from fox news which I think is pretty charged. There's a lot of unnecessary descriptions of personal traits, and history of people which is not relevant to the story at hand - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:16:04] - Aaron: It's not stating incorrect facts, but when you do that for one side and not for the other, I think it shows a small level of bias. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:15:40] - Aaron: It's not big thing, but just small things like labeling certain conservative ideas as "radical" or certain conservatives as "controversial" or "hardcore conservative". -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:15:33] - paul: Right, well i suppose i agree, although it isn't often the media's responsibility to present viewpoints - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:13:40] - Aaron: Right, and I've never noticed anything blatant about CNN's reporting but I do think that how they word things often makes it more left leaning. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:11:16] - Aaron: I guess what I'm saying is that if 40% of the population belives something utterly ridiculous, then the media probably should treat that viewpoint as completely legitimate even if it's clearly scientifically wrong or something. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:10:57] - paul: Right. I don't usually notice CNN reporting on things like, the Iraq war making us safer though. Most of what they report is just modern events, or court cases, it's pretty rare they have opinion pieces like that and when they do they're clearly marked - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:07:20] - Aaron: Yeah, I think that's the kind of difference I am talking about. I mean, pretty much everything is biased. It's just a question of whether or not the bias is reasonable. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:06:16] - I think that most people here feel that if something is clearly "wrong" to them (let's use the Iraqi war making us safer as an example), then it's ok to express that in the news even if a large percentage of the people disagree. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:06:01] - paul: That is, in some cases it makes more sense to report proportionally based on how popular/plausible different viewpoints are - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:05:29] - paul: I've read something about a different kid of bias, like in the modern world, if you did a story on how the sun is hot, it wouldn't make sense to report on both sides equally - aaron
[2005-05-06 14:05:01] - So, in a way, I guess I'm saying I agree that the media should say "Shape of Earth--Views Differ". I think that is why I differ sometimes with people when it comes to bias. -paul
[2005-05-06 14:04:16] - I think it has a little to do with why I disagree with people on bias sometimes. I feel like if half the world thought that the world was flat, then the media should not present either side (round or flat) any better than the other. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:02:43] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman This reminds me a bit of the second paragraph under "Quotations" in this page. -Paul
[2005-05-06 14:01:46] - http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html i know this has been linked before, but i guess it's topical enough to re-link it. - mig
[2005-05-06 14:00:55] - paul: sorry, most of Fox News's articles seem far less biased - that's what i meant to say. The only coverage they have of the jackson case is in very biased articles, however - aaron
[2005-05-06 13:59:47] - paul: Most of their articles don't seem nearly as impartial. It looks like they're just not reporting on that particular story in an impartial manner. Most of their other articles seem more normal. - aaron
[2005-05-06 13:59:26] - I would say that 90% of the fox news articles I read are from libertarian newsletters that I receive so they probably only list the articles that are less blatantly biased. -Paul
[2005-05-06 13:58:13] - Aaron: I'll definitely agree that the fox article seems a lot less impartial in that example and you could be right overall. The only fox news articles I read are from newsletters and other such sources so I might only read the generally more tame ones. -Paul
[2005-05-06 13:55:16] - it sounds like an analysis section similiar to quick outs in sports articles done on yahoo. i don't know if it's supposed to be that way but i recognize the style. - mig
[2005-05-06 13:54:45] - foxlife is the equivalant of "life" or "style" in newspapers. ~a
[2005-05-06 13:54:08] - a: I have many, but likely nothing that you would agree with. I'm sure I've discussed this with you before. -Paul
[2005-05-06 13:52:16] - Aaron: Well, it's listed under FoxLife. What is that? -Paul
[2005-05-06 13:50:39] - I think the first one must be an editorial, because it's ridiculously charged - but i can't find the word "editorial" anywhere on the page - aaron
[2005-05-06 13:48:49] - paul: do you have an example of why you think cnn has a liberal bias? ~a
[2005-05-06 13:48:45] - paul: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155692,00.html vs http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/05/jackson.trial/index.html - aaron
[2005-05-06 13:45:01] - But I guess that just boils down to me being the only one here who thinks that CNN has a liberal bias.
-Paul[2005-05-06 13:44:30] - Aaron: I don't ever just go to the fox news webpage but I often read articles there that are linked from other sites and while it's not entirely impartial, I usually don't think they're any worse than CNN. -Paul
[2005-05-06 13:43:02] - Aaron: Thank goodness you added your summary instead of relying on the URL.
-Paul[2005-05-06 13:41:28] - paul: If you go to http://www.foxnews.com/ you can get a taste for their style of reporting. It tends to be a lot less impartial than sources like CNN - aaron
[2005-05-06 13:40:51] - mig: Right, I hadn't thought that people would be talking about the cable channel although I guess it makes sense now. Do the other networks (ABC, CBS and NBC) have cable channels too? -Paul
[2005-05-06 13:40:26] - http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._Navy_finds_soldier_shot_wounded_Iraqi_at_Fallujah_in_self_defense U.S. Navy finds soldier shot wounded Iraqi at Fallujah in self defense - aaron
[2005-05-06 13:40:00] - paul: ok, when people say fox news, they are invariable talking about the cable channel, which is very different from the local fox channel we get, it's basically a 24-hr news outlet like cnn is. - mig
[2005-05-06 13:36:20] - mig: Ah, yes. I am just talking about local news since I don't get cable. -Paul
[2005-05-06 13:30:08] - well one thing: are you talking about fox5 (local) or actually fox news (cable channel) they are 2 very different animals. - mig
[2005-05-06 13:27:31] - mig: All I ever see is about 15 minutes or so of their news show in the morning and I've seen more pro-government and anti-war stuff there than I've seen any kind of conservative leaning. Maybe I'm just seeing exceptions? -Paul
[2005-05-06 12:40:20] - i actually never watched much of their reporting, but if all you see is fox and friends, hannity & colmes, o'reilly factor, studio B, you can see why it gets that reputation. - mig
[2005-05-06 12:37:35] - paul: fox is certainly not "conservative" as you or i define it. in a pro-republican sense, it is. - mig
[2005-05-06 12:32:13] - Lori: It's from the article about gas prices. -Paul
[2005-05-06 12:31:53] - mig: Yeah, although from all of the Fox News I watch in the morning, I still don't know how it gets the reputation of being conservative. Regardless, I guess I'm just surprised because I seem to hear a lot more about Slate and Salon so I just figured WND was some far less popular site. -paul
[2005-05-06 12:29:35] - paul: well it's kind of like how fox news gets more ratings. Fox news is really the only conservative outlet while CNN/NBC/ABC must compete with each other for liberal audiences. - mig
[2005-05-06 12:14:20] - a: why are you discussing lexington park? I must have missed that part... - lori
[2005-05-06 12:13:52] - mig: Probably. I was surprised to hear that WND gets more traffic than Slate and Salon does though. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is then I think it's surprising. -Paul
[2005-05-06 12:12:48] - a: I don't know if you can see my grandmother's road or not. Probably not, since it was a really minor road.
-Paul[2005-05-06 11:57:25] - i think wnd is just gilted their news articles aren't as high enough a hit on google. - mig
[2005-05-06 11:56:01] - paul: yeah, you can see the tiny road she lived on in the map. ~a
[2005-05-06 11:47:22] - basically, i have two linux computers connected to each other and they use microsoft's file sharing protocol to talk to each other. the protocol is pretty oblivious to linux permissions and ownership, so the web server lost permission to write to the title thread (0001.txt) ~a
[2005-05-06 11:46:23] - paul: yeah, i was being stupid. but no, i think it's unrelated. ~a
[2005-05-06 11:39:49] - a: There was a point in time yesterday where the message board was showing a number of titles which took up almost half the page. Maybe that had something to do with it? -Paul
[2005-05-06 11:38:57] - a: Really? I think that's where my grandmother lives. -Paul
[2005-05-06 11:38:52] - anon: i fixed the title problem. i have no idea what caused it. ~a
[2005-05-06 11:38:23] - paul: lexington park is where lori lived
~a[2005-05-06 11:29:22] - aaron: The Worldnet article? I guess so. I wasn't sure how much people wanted to read about google's "bias". -Paul
[2005-05-06 11:27:16] - could not open msg/data/0001.txt for mode "a+"
[2005-05-06 11:26:25] - a: I can't change the title
[2005-05-06 11:21:27] - The article just goes everywhere, i especially love when they start painting Google as hypocrites because they don't allow hateful advertisers to give them money, but they clearly advocate hateful web sites by including them in search results - aaron
[2005-05-06 11:19:49] - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40012 Google bars 'hate' sites' ads, but runs porn ads - aaron
[2005-05-06 11:19:31] - paul: they have a lot of good articles on google there - aaron
[2005-05-06 11:13:47] - mig: I don't really care, but I do enjoy reading about who contributes money to what political groups. Maybe it's just me. -Paul
[2005-05-06 11:08:56] - and we should care about what google employees do with their money because ....... - mig
[2005-05-06 11:08:54] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/05/AR2005050502032.html Maryland tells gas stations that their prices are too low. -Paul
[2005-05-06 10:57:40] - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44125 Many more Google executives and employees gave money to Democratic causes than Republican causes. -Paul
[2005-05-06 10:44:45] - http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2858 google web accelerator allows the world to read everything you read? -amy
[2005-05-06 09:54:15] - lori: "I should probably clarify this for the American Listers. What are actually 'crisps', you'd call 'chips'. Um, and what are actually 'chips', you'd call 'fries'. Which, as far as I can see, leaves you with nothing to call 'fries'. I fear you rather painted yourselves into a corner with that one."
~a[2005-05-06 09:47:57] - *update - sorry - lori
[2005-05-06 09:13:38] - a: and greater values of b and i calculate more of pi.... neat. Weird formula. - aaron
[2005-05-06 09:10:53] - http://www.mil-millington.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mailing_listers/fPf_MLM_35_GGh.htm - upsate on the girlfriend series - lori
[2005-05-06 08:45:33] - aaron: main(){long long b=1000000000,i=29,x=0;for(;--i;x=(b*b/5+x*i)/(i*2-1));printf("%d\n",x/b);} (it's c, not c++) ~a
[2005-05-05 21:51:56] - Poe, E. Near a Raven Midnights so dreary, tired and weary. Silently pondering volumes extolling all by-now obsolete lore. During my rather long nap - the weirdest tap! An ominous vibrating sound disturbing my chamber's antedoor. "This", I whispered quietly, "I ignore" . . . ~a
[2005-05-05 21:50:13] - aaron: http://users.aol.com/s6sj7gt/mikerav.htm ~a
[2005-05-05 16:17:42] - a: welcome to the painful world of timing diagrams ^_^ -dave
[2005-05-05 16:17:14] - a: grats ^_^ -dave
[2005-05-05 16:12:03] - dave: i think i figured it out. i want the FF that makes all the decisions about what-to-do to be clocked on the falling edge, and all the other FFs to be clocked on the rising edge. ~a
[2005-05-05 16:03:21] - a: like if you just had two FFs, then you could have the clock going into the first, then add some delay between the clock signal of the first and second, long enough so that the data gets through the first FF -dave
[2005-05-05 16:02:16] - a: or mebbe having it so they aren't synchronized, or running off the same clock -dave
[2005-05-05 16:01:28] - a: Possibilities for fixing whatever your problem is, might be increasing the clock, or changing the architecture as much as you can so you don't have them in series -dave
[2005-05-05 16:00:32] - a: I guess I'm not sure what you're doing, but doesn't having an unclocked FF defeat the purpose of one? Isn't the purpose of a FF to save the data? Like if you had a FF that just changed its data whenever its input changed, then all you're doing is adding a delay to some line, right? -dave
[2005-05-05 15:35:22] - i guess in that situation, you probably wouldn't want to use clocked FFs? ~a
[2005-05-05 15:35:06] - dave: yes. it's just seems weird to have to wait two cycles to get through two chips. if you have 100 FFs in a series, and you have a very slow clock, then you have to wait a very long time, even though the chips themselves might be very very fast. ~a
[2005-05-05 15:30:38] - a: that answer your question? -dave
[2005-05-05 15:29:02] - a: so yeah, if you have two FF in series, and you put data in one end and want it out the other, and you have synch. clocks, then you will have to wait 2 cycles to get your data -dave
[2005-05-05 15:28:02] - a: So in other words, I dont' know what the rest of your system looks like, but just given the FF itself, it will do what its datasheet says, generally grab the data X time after rising edge, and then have valid data X time after rising edge -dave
[2005-05-05 15:26:23] - a: I don't quite understand the question. It is true that when the FF is clocked, it grabs whatever is on the input at that point. If you have a long chain of gates and the input isn't set at that point, then you have to wait for the next clock cycle -dave
[2005-05-05 15:22:05] - engineering_people: how do clocked flip-flops work? usually (becuase of propigation delay) the inputs to the flipflop aren't correctly set until after the clock event. how does one account for this? ~a
[2005-05-05 12:58:51] - Aaron: I guess. I just really expected this to primarily be a Republican thing for whatever reason. -Paul
[2005-05-05 12:50:08] - paul: I don't think that behavior is atypical of either party - aaron
[2005-05-05 12:22:57] - mig: "'Girls can get out and do all of these overly sexually performances and we applaud them and that's not right,' said Democratic Rep. Al Edwards, who filed the legislation." A democrat filed the legislation? That's unusual. -Paul
[2005-05-05 11:28:42] - mig: bawdy performances result in pregnancies? there's so much i didn't learn in sex ed - aaron
[2005-05-05 11:25:13] - http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050504/D89S4EJO0.html because some cheerleader dances are too dangerous for our society. - mig
[2005-05-05 11:10:30] - Dave: "Important Safety Information - A lightsaber is not a toy! Keep it out of reach of children at all times. Lightsaber locks are required in most states." Makes you wonder if lightsabers would be illegal in our world.
-Paul[2005-05-05 11:06:36] - http://www.howstuffworks.com/lightsaber.htm -dave
[2005-05-05 10:26:26] - aaron: i want to AA it too!! .D along with max300 ,) -amy
[2005-05-05 10:25:49] - amy: It's a moderately paced 7. i think it's close to 1 minute long, and it has about 250 steps. It's based on the music from the original Twin Bee arcade game - aaron
[2005-05-05 10:18:47] - aaron: but you can still AA twin bee for me!! what's twin bee? .) -amy
[2005-05-05 10:18:33] - lori: i forgot to pack it last night, along with a bunch of other things. but keep reminding me, i will get it to you eventually! -amy
[2005-05-05 10:18:03] - aaron: i didn't mean i was not going to show up, i just meant i could not show up early.
[2005-05-05 10:16:59] - amy: ok, no problem. Can I still get that game from you or do I need to do that another day? Thanks! - lori
[2005-05-05 10:15:21] - http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,16484,00.html "Chappelle's Show" Shut Down -Paul
[2005-05-05 10:07:10] - yah me - vinnie
[2005-05-05 10:06:58] - amy:
adrian and i will try to AA twin bee 4 u - aaron[2005-05-05 10:01:05] - i'm in. -ddr_porter
[2005-05-05 09:39:43] - lori: i'm sorry but i def. can't leave the office before 5 today... -amy
[2005-05-05 09:39:25] - ddr_people: 5.45? who's in?
[2005-05-05 09:32:21] - bghghgggggggggggggggggg
[2005-05-04 23:02:46] - well isn't it? ~a
[2005-05-04 16:14:51] - Aaron: Definitely. It's funny how often people associate fewer white males as a sign of diversity.
-Paul[2005-05-04 16:13:45] - mig: I don't think this has anything to do with the players because otherwise we would see silly things like "There's not enough minority players in the NBA/MLB/NFL". -Paul
[2005-05-04 16:09:21] - paul: Yeah, one of those things i'd love to see taken too far. A very racially diverse crowd at this year's million man march, for instance. - aaron
[2005-05-04 16:06:18] - imo mlb by far has the most racially diverse players and have been for some time, so giving them a C grade is kinda silly. - mig
[2005-05-04 16:03:37] - Aaron: That's something that I found funny. They measured diversity by the percentage of positions filled by minorities. So if 100% of the positions were filled by blacks (or hispanics or any single minority), they would as "diverse" as possible under that grading system.
-Paul[2005-05-04 16:02:03] - they actually noted it was the lowest % of blacks in recent nba history in a way that implied it was somewhat of a negative. - mig
[2005-05-04 15:59:29] - if 76 percent of the players are black, then how are they achieving diversity?
- aaron[2005-05-04 15:49:26] - mig: Doing work on company time?
-Paul[2005-05-04 15:35:53] - paul: well another thing i was getting at is if looking at porn during company time is not legally a fireable offense, then what is? - mig
[2005-05-04 15:30:48] - mig: They just pray that they don't have too many people who want to look at porn while at work.
-Paul[2005-05-04 15:30:12] - http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nba-diversity&prov=ap&type=lgns Study: NBA is pro sports' best at achieving diversity -Paul
[2005-05-04 15:28:29] - paul: like i said, i have no idea how any business can even function in that environment. - mig
[2005-05-04 15:25:02] - mig: I would guess so too. Seems to be a difficult situation for them then.
-Paul[2005-05-04 15:22:06] - paul: they're probably stil liable. - mig
[2005-05-04 15:18:24] - mig: I wonder if that means the company isn't liable if somebody sues those people for sexual harassment (a woman sees porn at work or something). -Paul
[2005-05-04 15:05:54] - i was about to make the observation that they should i guess give extra scrutinity to who they hire, but i'm sure that's regulated just as moronicly. - mig
[2005-05-04 15:03:46] - paul: as much as i am guilty of wasting company time surfing the web ..... that's absafuckingludicrous. i really have to wonder how businesses can even function in norway if it's that hard to fire incompetent/bad people. - mig
[2005-05-04 14:47:16] - http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1024244.ece Norway's Supreme Court supported decisions refusing Conoco Phillips the right to fire two workers who surfed the Internet for pornographic images on company time -Paul
[2005-05-04 13:00:02] - "Now with a jagged metal Krusty-O in every box!" - pierce
[2005-05-04 12:56:50] - vinnie: "I'm from the future, and I'd like to attend!"
- aaron[2005-05-04 12:48:14] - i told you, using setup.exe is really easy. why would i want to install apt? ~a
[2005-05-04 12:47:54] - mig: i've never done it. ~a
[2005-05-04 12:30:07] - vinnie: that is awesome i want to go. but i will not be in boston this weekend. maybe next weekend. -amy
[2005-05-04 12:20:49] - http://web.mit.edu/adorai/timetraveler/ the time traveler convention - an effort to get time travelers to visit time travel enthusiasts - vinnie
[2005-05-04 12:06:34] - While we wussy americans are worrying about fingers in our chili...
-Paul[2005-05-04 12:06:15] - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7734025/ British boy finds snake in cereal box -Paul
[2005-05-04 11:24:53] - ok, so how do you install apt on cygwin? - mig
[2005-05-04 11:04:46] - mig: i don't think so (unless you install apt). but the gui is really easy to use since it remembers your answers! i just type "/setup.exe &" and click on "next" like ten times. ~a
[2005-05-04 10:58:52] - a: is there a way to install stuff from cygwin from the command line, like apt-get upgrade? - mig
[2005-05-04 10:10:16] - wait, what? shred was deprecated in 2000? ~a
[2005-05-04 09:30:50] - vinnie: or maybe him and his hat reminiscing about good times - aaron
[2005-05-03 16:35:06] - ahahaha, that is funny. like he's shopping for a new hat - vinnie
[2005-05-03 13:08:49] - aba: Ha ha ha. That's a good picture. - aaron
[2005-05-03 13:07:58] - i dont know why but this picture cracks me up: http://aporter.org/pics/camera/2001/.thumb/pa080011-m.jpg - aba
[2005-05-03 13:05:21] - hrm - aba
[2005-05-03 12:50:48] - user name is "aparna" ~a
[2005-05-03 12:45:20] - aba: you do. (i tried it and it still works) ~a
[2005-05-03 12:18:06] - a: i cant remember if i have a user/pass to your system.
- aba[2005-05-03 12:09:55] - a: it was me. - aba
[2005-05-03 11:40:40] - a: http://aporter.org/pics/dewey/.thumb/img_1028-m.jpg You look fine in that one. -Paul
[2005-05-03 11:36:54] - whoever_set_the_title: i was looking at those pictures just this morning. ~a
[2005-05-03 11:36:16] - paul: i don't look good in any of the pictures either. ~a
[2005-05-03 10:58:14] - a: One is more than enough, trust me. If I was more photogenic than I wouldn't mind photos of me but it's very unusual to see a photo of me where I don't look hideous. -Paul
[2005-05-03 10:49:54] - paul: only one? i actually thought that wasn't nearly enough. ~a
[2005-05-03 10:43:01] - aaron: what other pictures of me + vinnie have you seen? i think like 2 of them exist O_o -amy
[2005-05-03 10:14:40] - didn't dewey get a picture of lori when she wasn't looking? how did that turn out - aaron
[2005-05-03 10:13:36] - http://aporter.org/pics/dewey/.thumb/IMG_1012-m.JPG good picture of lori + adrian - aaron
[2005-05-03 10:12:56] - amy: Yes that's one of the best pictures of you and vinnie together i've seen - aaron
[2005-05-03 10:10:57] - Damn, I can be seen in one of the pictures... -Paul
[2005-05-03 09:39:19] - (but do blame me if you do like them, of course) -amy
[2005-05-03 09:38:51] - oh and i shuld mention that i did not take at least half of the pictures so don't blame me if you don't like them! -amy
[2005-05-03 09:34:10] - aaron: i think pierce did, but it could have been morgan. isn't vinnie adorable? ^_^ -amy
[2005-05-03 09:28:24] - http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%22Family_Guy%22_returns_to_US_television%2C_loses_in_ratings_to_%22Housewives%22 family guy/american dad premieres, gets 4th in ratings - aaron
[2005-05-03 09:12:14] - http://aporter.org/pics/dewey/.thumb/IMG_1026-m.JPG who took this? - aaron
[2005-05-03 09:11:18] - some very grood pictures - aaron
[2005-05-03 08:50:12] - amy's pictures ~a
[2005-05-02 14:37:14] - Aaron: Possibly, but I don't think what that school did was very unusual. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:32:47] - Even if some rich white male has a completely legitimate gripe about something, I think people find it harder to sympathize with him than some poor disadvantaged person who might have a much less legitimate gripe. -paul
[2005-05-02 14:31:31] - paul: That makes sense, although it might not be a very popular school after a while, if they're seen as overly tolerant towards mysognists or other publicly reviled special-interest groups - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:30:55] - aaron: somewhat to do with power, but I think moreso is that minorty shouting groups seldom seem to take valid criticism well, so their first reaction is to simply shut up the criticism by force. - mig
[2005-05-02 14:30:38] - Aaron: Probably. I'm beginning to think that one of the most underrated human impulses (for me) is the desire to see people more powerful/successful/etc than you punished and those less powerful and successful raised up. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:29:09] - Aaron: It's not only that, though. It's just funny hearing from somebody how they want a color-blind society and then they start talking about how we need to have preferential treatment for certain races. Isn't there the least bit of a contradiction there? -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:28:40] - paul: It might just be as simple as a power thing, that's a good explanation (and probably statistically backupable) - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:27:36] - Aaron: I'm not sure why the school has to sponsor anything. Just let both sides do whatever they want as long as they don't break the law or any school rules. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:27:11] - paul: And as far as the whole conflict of how people who are against stereotypes are also for seperating people between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, that's just a matter of convenience - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:26:30] - Aaron: Oh, I would imagine that (at least in America) it has to do with the fact that white males used to have all the power (and some say still do) and homosexuals seem to be in the minority so straight, white, males are a majority with lots of power and so they don't need anymore help. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:24:38] - paul: Yeah, talking about your genitals is definitely different, on the surface, from say providing financial aid for minority students or something like that. I guess i was just extracting this into a generic "school-sponsored feminism vs. school-sponsored masculinism" argument because that's what i saw it as - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:21:01] - paul: I'm just trying to theorize why society sees them as undeserving of pity/assistance/whatever - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:20:21] - And white people get sunburned easily, which keeps them indoors and researching... which guarantees you the advantage in technology - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:20:15] - Aaron: I don't know if I understand how your "bulky reproducing men" statement applies to what we're talking about.
-Paul[2005-05-02 14:19:05] - Aaron: There's probably still some truth to the stereotype, but I think it's foolish to base any kind of policy off it. I'm sure there is a gay, black, female (leading the KKK, Critic reference anybody?) out there who is more advantaged than me. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:18:39] - Maybe in the most crude simplification of a society imaginable, if your country has a lot of bulky reproducing men, you can out-grow other societies, and beat them in a battle - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:15:34] - paul: Well yeah, the question of why "straight white males" are seen as strongly advantaged is probably a historical one which doesn't apply anymore - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:15:17] - More to the point, I guess I don't see why any person (white or non-white, male or female, gay or straight) should be able to graphically talk about their genitals because they belong to some special group while another person isn't able to because they don't belong to the special group. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:13:34] - While the people who I find normally support such ways of thinking tend to rail against stereotypes and division. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:12:54] - I do think it's interesting that such a way of looking at things tends to invoke a lot of stereotypes (certain whole races/genders/sexualities are disadvantaged) while also necessarily being divisive. -Paul
[2005-05-02 14:11:41] - Aaron: That's definitely a reasonable way of looking at the issue. It's not one that I'm particularly fond of though, being a straight white male.
-Paul[2005-05-02 14:09:24] - paul: I guess what i'm saying is, if you accept as a given that men are "more fortunate" because they have a penis, then having a penis workshop is logically inconsiderate. - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:06:19] - I think there's something innately cruel-seeming about founding a club which turns away a group of people who are already at a disadvantage societally, because it's helping make things less even, and hence less fair. - aaron
[2005-05-02 14:04:14] - paul: Obviously society has decided that straight white men have an advantage or whatever, and that's a societal thing. But clubs which favor straight white men seem somewhat "wrong" to me (and others,) for some reason which i think boils down to something more innate, or perhaps even more logical. - aaron
[2005-05-02 13:45:48] - Aaron: That's a good analogy too. Men can march around talking about their genitals because they aren't oppressed like women are. -Paul
[2005-05-02 13:38:31] - paul: Yeah it could also be just another case of "white student's union" syndrome which is far more likely - aaron
[2005-05-02 13:37:59] - paul: I've heard arguments before that visually, male genitals are more profane than female genitals, because more is exposed, but somehow i doubt that's the position the school officers are taking - aaron
[2005-05-02 13:30:17] - Aaron: I assumed it was similar to how you are allowed to show nudity as long as you say it has artistic value. Maybe you can be graphic about female genitalia as long as it has feminist value. -Paul
[2005-05-02 13:24:14] - paul: I was always curious how "they" were able to get away with publicizing the vagina monologues in such a graphic manner - aaron
[2005-05-02 12:52:07] - http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20050428-095323-7322r.htm different games, same old shit. - mig
[2005-05-02 12:38:26] - main(){long long b=1000000000,i=29,x=0;for(;--i;x=(b*b/5+x*i)/(i*2-1));printf("%d\n",x/b);}
[2005-05-02 12:16:32] - http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/sommers200505020808.asp Celebrating P-Day. -Paul
[2005-05-02 12:09:45] - last time i checked the theory of evolution doesn't have anything to do with the origin of life ... - mig
[2005-05-02 12:01:05] - same old crap ~a
[2005-05-02 11:17:03] - http://cbs5.com/watercooler/watercooler_story_121103154.html "Wildlife experts who had studied the nest believed there were nine eggs. It turned out there were actually 11 eggs" I guess maybe mathematics experts might've been more approriate? -Paul
[2005-05-02 10:27:36] - a: maybe for shoe-hats. something that could either be a shoe or a hat!! -amy
[2005-05-02 09:47:43] - usually acronyms are used for things that are said very very often. i want to know what field people would want to say "toes go in first" on a regular basis. if they're saying it on a regular basis, it's probably opposed to something (like head goes in first). so weird. ~a
[2005-05-02 09:46:02] - or shoes? i dunno
tgif! ~a[2005-05-02 09:45:09] - a: What, like for pants? - aaron
[2005-05-02 09:43:22] - lol: toes go in first ~a
[2005-04-29 17:19:07] - a: Which I suppose you could say is some positive exposure.
-Paul[2005-04-29 17:18:40] - a: Well, it doesn't suck too badly for the company. Sure, they got some negative exposure, but at least they can force some of their female employees to wear miniskirts now. -Paul
[2005-04-29 17:14:05] - good point. well really it was a bad point. i never said who it sucked FOR. it sucks for one of them (a lot) either way. ~a
[2005-04-29 16:54:21] - a: Assuming it happened as she claimed it did. -Paul
[2005-04-29 16:52:00] - paul: that's gotta suck.
~a[2005-04-29 16:25:11] - a: I think those actions were part of her complaint but it sounded like she didn't have enough proof to convince the judge that it happened. -Paul
[2005-04-29 16:24:26] - a: I imagine sex discrimination is based on gender and sexual discrimination is based on sexual advances? I don't know for sure. -Paul
[2005-04-29 16:20:42] - "he had pinched her bottom and squeezed her breast" shouldn't that have been her main complaint? ~a
[2005-04-29 16:19:48] - paul: sexual discrimination vs. sex discrimination? i understand what they're saying (that there is two types), but which is which? ~a
[2005-04-29 12:36:03] - I'm not typically a fan of Andrew Sullivan at all, but I thought this article had a lot going for it. http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=oc33pgsKUtBeq6q0a8yCZR%3D%3D - pierce
[2005-04-29 12:06:08] - http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2005_06/croughs-organs.html An article that is for allowing people to be paid for their organs. -Paul
[2005-04-29 10:30:32] - Lori: Kind of interesting how that works out though. It could stand for doing drugs or it could stand for a sect of Rastafari.
-Paul[2005-04-29 10:29:01] - http://stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3263147a12,00.html "If you wear a mini-skirt socially, your employer can ask you to wear one at work" -Paul
[2005-04-29 10:25:34] - paul: maybe - i doubt it given the appearnce of the driver but in the interest of not profiling people - it is entirely possible - lori
[2005-04-29 10:24:48] - amy: maybe i have a bad mind then ;/ - lori
[2005-04-29 10:16:29] - lori: i looked at that combination of letters over and over but didn't get it until you pointed it out ^_^; -amy
[2005-04-29 10:06:39] - mig: Or you can get a "choose life" license plate. Aren't those still illegal in some states? -Paul
[2005-04-29 10:05:22] - Pierce: I guess you're right. Maybe you can place the razor blades inside a little plastic container and then place that inside of a bag? I guess it might make it hard to swallow then... -Paul
[2005-04-29 10:04:17] - if you're looking to get pull over i think the plate F U PIG, might be better. - mig
[2005-04-29 10:03:51] - Lori: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghi I thought it might've been a reference to Nyabinghi, a sect of Rastafari. -Paul
[2005-04-29 09:55:09] - amy - "being high" - at least that is an assumption that people could make - maybe they meant something like "Be night" or something - but in the end it winds up the same. - lori
[2005-04-29 09:00:08] - lori: i don't get it? expl? 0.) - amy
[2005-04-29 08:36:03] - random observation of the morning - I saw a license plate reading BINGHI on the way in - now isn't that just screaming to cops to pull you over or is it just me? -lori
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