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[2005-10-05 13:35:04] - aaron: really?! what profanity did they let out? -sam
[2005-10-05 13:33:40] - sam: Comedy central is basic cable. They've shown profanity and photorealistic genetalia and cartoon-quality animal orgies before - aaron
[2005-10-05 13:33:17] - The FAA has as much power to regulate anything going out over the airwaves as much as the courts will let them. That does even include cable TV because cable is still sattelite. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 13:31:59] - paul: i need to start 3 WRs -sam
[2005-10-05 13:31:50] - Sam: I'd start Ferguson, Smith and Boldin because Smith and Boldin are too good not to, plus there's no real compelling defensive matchup. Glen vs. Ferguson comes down to NO being a weaker defense and Dallas being an unreliable passing offense. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 13:31:39] - aaron: i think the basic cable channels are all censored... I haven't seen anything perverted or heard anything foul on basic cable channels... premium channels like HBO don't censor though... sam
[2005-10-05 13:27:14] - I would do Smith and Glen because they seem like the best players (even though they have tough matchups). However, I'm 1-4 in my fantasy leagues so far so you might not want to take my advice.
-Paul[2005-10-05 13:25:25] - robert ferguson (against NO), jimmy smith (against Cin), terry glen (against Phi), anquan boldin (against Car)... which 3 should i start? -sam
[2005-10-05 13:22:41] - After all, the government found some excuse for meddling in baseball's affairs even though it doesn't seem like they should have the power to. -Paul
[2005-10-05 13:22:05] - Aaron: Ok, that makes more sense. At the same time, just because the government might not be allowed to regulate it now doesn't mean they couldn't do it in the future. It probably wouldn't be too smart for cable TV to draw too much attention to itself or else the government might step in anyways. -Paul
[2005-10-05 13:21:34] - sam: That said, I've seen pretty much everything except real-life hardcore pornography aired at some time of day on cable. So i don't think cable is very censored - aaron
[2005-10-05 13:19:45] - sam: Cable TV is (sometimes) censored because it is safer/more profitable for it to be censored. If comedy central showed South Park: Bigger Longer Uncut uncensored during daylight hours, they would piss off some cable customers, cable customers complain to the cable company, and cable companies (might) drop the network - aaron
[2005-10-05 13:18:26] - paul: I think what sam means is it's not publicly available so the FAA (or whatever its TV equiv. is) can't regulate it - aaron
[2005-10-05 13:16:02] - Sam: Why would the fact that people have to pay for the service have anything to do with it being censored? -Paul
[2005-10-05 13:15:35] - As long as the federal government owns the airwaves and is leasing them to companies like the sattelite radio companies there will be some measure of censorship beyond just self-control. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 13:14:52] - Sam: Probably, but less-so, I think. One argument would be that you can't possibly be as explicit with radio, since you only have sound, no pictures. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 13:11:16] - do you think satellite radio will get censored in the future? -sam
[2005-10-05 13:10:39] - how come cable tv is censored? everyone has to pay for the service. -sam
[2005-10-05 12:19:01] - Xpovos: I know how you feel, though I have not personally been involved in such a situation, but it does seem that often when there is an opportunity to help somebody out you (in general) can get very hurt (punished, die, injured) as a result. it sucks .( -amy
[2005-10-05 12:16:33] - Aaron: I'm not so much concerned about the perp as the 4 civilians he hit. Although at the time I figured he was just another HOV violater who -really- didn't want points on his license or sommat. So that factored into my decision too. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 12:12:45] - Dave: You've seen The Incredibles, right?
-paul[2005-10-05 12:12:33] - Xpovos: I can understand that. I probably would've felt the same way although at the same time still knowing it probably wouldn't have been a good idea. -Paul
[2005-10-05 12:09:17] - xpovos: Yeah, nobody died this way, and now he has to survive through his long boring jail sentence (instead of having a fun exciting death) - aaron
[2005-10-05 12:08:22] - Daul: It's not fierce remorse or anything. Just one of those things where I know I missed out on an opportunity to be involved in something bigger than myself. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 12:08:02] - xpovos: dont' you just love our society? can't even decide to do something helpful without potentially bringing everything down on you -dave
[2005-10-05 12:07:27] - xpovos: or if he was just injured, maybe he woulda sued or somethin -dave
[2005-10-05 12:07:05] - xpovos: not so bad that you didn't. what if the guy had died in the ensuing accident? You might have been charged with manslaughter or somesuch -dave
[2005-10-05 12:05:38] - Xpovos: I gotta vote for the not doing it. All you would likely have done is killed both of you.
-Paul[2005-10-05 12:00:45] - violation) and I could've prevented that. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 12:00:36] - For a couple of seconds I debated pulling over into the shoulder to block his route, and decided that my car, and potentially my life weren't worth the plaque I might get. Assuming I didn't get arrested for interfering with police activity. I kind of regret not doing it now, since he hit four other cars (probably the poor people the cops had pulled over for HOV ...
[2005-10-05 11:58:58] - Aarosam: I was involved in that chase, sort of. I was leaving work (Glebe Rd.) and taking 66 back at around 7PM. Just missing the rush-hour crunch. And it was backed up fierce, and then there was a cop on my ass. About 10 minutes later, as we're crawling along the SUV the guy was driving goes blowing past us in the shoulder (against traffic) with cops trailing -- Xpovo
[2005-10-05 11:50:50] - a: can't you do that in addition to MAC addresses allowed? -dave
[2005-10-05 11:45:23] - sam: i prefer iptables.
~a[2005-10-05 11:39:25] - sam: WPA the one that lets you use pre-shared keys with AES etc? Also, you want to disable SSID broadcast -dave
[2005-10-05 10:35:39] - sam: Thanks for that link - I was curious why so much of 66 was closed yesterday - aaron
[2005-10-05 10:33:15] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/03/funeral.home.slayings.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest Roman Catholic priest killed two, hanged self -amy
[2005-10-05 10:17:37] - sam: well if you implicity trust your CA, then yes, you can get free SSL certificates. - mig
[2005-10-05 10:02:26] - Dave: Thanks.
-Paul[2005-10-05 10:01:10] - mig: are there any free SSL certificates? -sam
[2005-10-05 09:54:31] - sam: well you can also add a router cpu acts as a proxy using SSL to communicate with the machines connected to the network ... but that might be a bit much. - mig
[2005-10-05 09:49:34] - Victoria's Secret Window Display Upsets Tysons Corner Customers http://www.nbc4.com/news/5057640/detail.html -sam
[2005-10-05 09:47:58] - Police Chase Ties Up I-66 For Hours http://www.nbc4.com/news/5058447/detail.html -sam
[2005-10-05 09:46:49] - maybe i should rephrase that... you don't need to use WPA authentication to choose to allow what MAC addresses can have access. If you use both WPA authentication and MAC address control, it might be the best protection right now. -sam
[2005-10-05 09:39:49] - http://reuters.myway.com/article/20051004/2005-10-04T185015Z_01_DIT460356_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-BIRDFLU-DC.html president wants ... surprise, surprise, more leeway to sic the military on people. - mig
[2005-10-05 09:26:26] - Is WPA + only allowing certain MAC addresses is the most secure way right now? -sam
[2005-10-05 09:24:17] - you can also choose to only allow certain MAC addresses to access the network. -sam
[2005-10-05 09:18:56] - just a fyi, if any of u are planning to use WPA in the future... -sam
[2005-10-05 09:18:40] - sam: hehe, sounds like a fun problem ^_^ -dave
[2005-10-05 09:17:04] - i already had service pack 2 installed on the other 2 computers, so those 2 were working fine... -sam
[2005-10-05 09:16:07] - i tried to configure WPA on my wireless router yesterday but i couldn't figure out why 1 of 3 computers wasn't getting the access... i found out that i needed the WPA patch or service pack 2 installed on that computer... -sam
[2005-10-05 09:15:11] - sam: makes some sense since a lot of WiFi security has been done in the last few years, and XP is quite old -dave
[2005-10-05 09:13:09] - did you know that you need to download either WPA patch or service pack 2 on your client PCs if you want to use WPA encryption for your WiFi network? -sam
[2005-10-05 09:10:43] - Sam: Yes! I use Sygate Personal Firewall. Free, effective, easy to use. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-05 09:04:15] - do you guys prefer 3rd party firewall software over windows xp's own firewall? -sam
[2005-10-05 08:38:30] - Paul: you're quite scary enough the way you are ^_^ -dave
[2005-10-05 00:07:16] - Sam: Well, she is female... -Paul
[2005-10-04 22:06:47] - Amy: Thanks. Unfortunately, I have no idea what I would want to dress up as (if I even needed to dress up at all). I really appreciate the offer, though. -Paul
[2005-10-04 22:05:43] - a: Gotta love the WWE.
-Paul[2005-10-04 21:31:16] - how about judge judy for the supreme court justice! -sam
[2005-10-04 21:25:43] - mel: actually high level architecture ~a
[2005-10-04 21:24:45] - mel: hot lesbian action apparently.
~a[2005-10-04 18:39:51] - Paul: I can make you a Halloween costume if you come up with something fast. .D (I used to make costumes as a hobby; hell, I still do, I am making one for this Halloween) -Amy
[2005-10-04 18:02:24] - It's not fair, the women have all the good costumes.
-Paul[2005-10-04 17:56:55] - http://www.spirithalloween.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.browse/categoryID/07a8f03c-60b6-4b73-9ebe-a85f17c75fd6/ Some pretty amusing halloween costumes, if I do say so myself. -Paul
[2005-10-04 17:25:10] - a: cool. what does HLA stand for? The only class I have taken so far was one about Xilinx design. It was just one day and it was free, which is why it was ok for me to take it.
-mel[2005-10-04 17:23:20] - Dave: Nope. -Paul
[2005-10-04 17:18:15] - Paul: ahh, not for director though -dave
[2005-10-04 17:13:53] - mel: a training class on hla (a military simulation protocol/infrastructure . . . you can call it middleware if you really want). ~a
[2005-10-04 16:32:28] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/04/AR2005100400747.html Microsoft, Film Studios Tap Jackson for 'Halo' -Paul
[2005-10-04 16:23:46] - a: all the classes at JPL are taught in those trailer. I forgot to ask you, I was wondering what classes are you teaching? -mel
[2005-10-04 16:04:47] - Dave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card You might also be surprised about some of his political stances. -Paul
[2005-10-04 16:03:38] - and it's funny that he'd mention charlie kaufman, I was just reading the script to Adaptation. last night. - pierce
[2005-10-04 16:02:52] - but wow, he really praised the hell out of it. strong words about Ender's Game in comparison. Maybe he'll give the screenwriting pen to Joss Whedon? - pirece
[2005-10-04 16:01:59] - dave: heh, yeah. it's actually funny, because a lot of his writings poke fun at the mormon church, like having mainstream christian characters call it a cult (with no mormon characters to defend it). - pierce
[2005-10-04 15:59:10] - pierce: wow, I had no clue he was a mormon -dave
[2005-10-04 15:58:24] - Pierce: Actually,the opposite is true because mormons don't like anything that is fun. -Paul
[2005-10-04 15:57:43] - All right fine, I'll give in and go see it. If a mormon liked it, it must've been good, right?
- pierce[2005-10-04 15:47:10] - http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2005-09-30-extra.shtml Orson Scott Card liked Serenity. Maybe his glowing review will convince some people here to see it.
-Paul[2005-10-04 15:46:34] - amy: not since I changed jobs. At my last job, maybe 2-3 times over two years -dave
[2005-10-04 15:43:39] - does anybody here ever work from home? if so how often? -amy
[2005-10-04 15:18:59] - "The Ethan Allen was rated for 50 passengers based on the Coast Guard standard of 150 pounds per person. Cleveland said that standard may have to be revised in light of data showing Americans growing fatter." heh heh -dave
[2005-10-04 15:11:37] - apparently I am less unique than I used to be -dave
[2005-10-04 14:44:58] - there are like thousands of adrian porters (adrian is a very common first name in many countries) ~a
[2005-10-04 14:34:38] - hall of fame football player, puyo puyo amateur and nominated regulation coordinator for m.a.r.p (guess which one is not me!) - aaron
[2005-10-04 14:29:35] - oh too bad it looks like i have moved on from my interested in scientology... it used to be the first hit. but i do apparently play guitar (not even me, some other amy hsieh) -amy
[2005-10-04 14:23:12] - sam: yes apparently i am a scientologist. -amy_hsieh
[2005-10-04 14:21:35] - Sam: Yeah, I have. -Paul
[2005-10-04 14:17:17] - a: yeah, it just becomes more involved -dave
[2005-10-04 14:15:56] - have you searched your name on google? -sam
[2005-10-04 14:08:53] - ah. it was called ettercap. ~a
[2005-10-04 13:56:07] - dave: it's not terribly hard to do those things on a switched network too. there was some switch configuration tool i found somewhere (i can't find it now) that let you access switched messages somehow. ~a
[2005-10-04 13:49:12] - sam: look up the lyrics for "torn". - mig
[2005-10-04 13:42:25] - a: or AIM conversation -dave
[2005-10-04 13:42:02] - dave: yeah, good point, \and many peoples email passwords too. ~a
[2005-10-04 13:41:59] - Paul: yeah, I actually watched like the 4th quarter of that game -dave
[2005-10-04 13:41:25] - a: at least most people's email methinks -dave
[2005-10-04 13:41:05] - Dave: The funny thing is that their closest game so far (which went into overtime) was also the game they ended up winning by the most points. -Paul
[2005-10-04 13:41:05] - a: oh, I wasn't thinking about reading ssl stuff. I was thinking stuff like email, which is transmitted in the clear -dave
[2005-10-04 13:40:29] - mig: can you give me some examples of creed lyrics? -sam
[2005-10-04 13:36:18] - dave: iirc if you have access to a wireless network (i.e. it's insecure or you have a key on a secure ap) then you have access to ALL packets (yours or otherwise) on the network. having a packet sniffer is not enough, though. all the interesting stuff usually goes over https these days, so you'd need some more agressive techniques. ~a
[2005-10-04 13:32:10] - Paul: Being a Redskins fan, I wouldn't mind if that happened ^_^ -dave
[2005-10-04 13:31:18] - "Pretty amazing -- the Redskins are 3-0 and have won their games by one, two and three points. They keep that up and they'll get their first double-digit win against the Raiders in Week 11."
-Paul[2005-10-04 13:26:49] - wasn't it also rumored that Bono was christian? -dave
[2005-10-04 13:26:00] - sam: well, there are rumors of different bands being christian. Evanescence, POD, Vertical Horizon to name a few -dave
[2005-10-04 13:24:10] - sam: take a look at some of the creed lyrics and it does show. also check out the video for "higher" - mig
[2005-10-04 13:22:20] - Sam: I think they were. -Paul
[2005-10-04 13:20:48] - paul: creed is a christian band? -sam
[2005-10-04 13:16:24] - Sam: Do you count Creed? -Paul
[2005-10-04 13:14:16] - are there any other well known bands that are christian? -sam
[2005-10-04 13:13:40] - i didn't know switchfoot was a christian band. -sam
[2005-10-04 13:11:00] - Dave: I tend to agree, there doesn't seem to be much there which will cause the Democrats to try to oppose her (any more than they did with Roberts). -Paul
[2005-10-04 13:08:37] - conservatives: (nelson voice and pointing) HAHA! - W
[2005-10-04 13:04:36] - On Miers - it seems doubtful that she will say much about her views on things. I would expect confirmation hearings along the lines of those for Roberts - especially since it seems that, as it stands now, she will pass by de facto -dave
[2005-10-04 12:59:38] - Dave: Or a feminist. -Paul
[2005-10-04 12:55:16] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/10/04/music.copy.reut/index.html band members not happy with new copy protection technology..... several band members post messages on their web sites listing workarounds - aaron
[2005-10-04 12:55:13] - Paul: maybe she isn't officially married because she's a lesbian ^_^ -dave
[2005-10-04 12:41:43] - her eyes look scary... -sam
[2005-10-04 12:35:22] - miers looks like some demon out of a horror movie. -sam
[2005-10-04 12:26:53] - http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46641 Bush pick supported International Criminal Court, homosexual adoptions, women in combat, tax hike. -Paul
[2005-10-04 11:51:09] - I believe all the software you'd need is a packet sniffer, right? My thinking is it would work similar to sniffing packets off a wired network that uses a hub -dave
[2005-10-04 11:49:07] - I did once, in an airport. Unfortunately my laptop couldn't get a good connection. My prof for a net sec class said that he tried once with two laptops. He sent email from one and sniffed packets with the other - said he could read everything -dave
[2005-10-04 11:39:53] - has anyone tried to intercept data from unsecure wireless networks?
[2005-10-04 11:13:40] - having a job you enjoy -dave
[2005-10-04 11:13:20] - sam: I will say that even if I didn't like my job I'd probably still stick with it, until I had a viable option to replace it. People who quit their jobs because they dislike them and then complain that the don't have a job frustrate me. Having a good you enjoy is great, but having a job you hate is still having a job -dave
[2005-10-04 11:10:15] - Sam: Well, I really like the people that I work with and the job itself is pretty good, but recently I've been thinking that I'm not in the right field. So I guess I would have to say "content" overall, but only because I'm thinking of changing fields. -Paul
[2005-10-04 11:07:04] - for those who don't hate their jobs... do you love your job? or are you just content? -sam
[2005-10-04 11:05:22] - sam: but i am at my job.
[2005-10-04 11:01:34] - sam: i do.
[2005-10-04 10:51:59] - Sam: I don't either -dave
[2005-10-04 10:42:46] - Sam: I don't. -Paul
[2005-10-04 10:39:56] - or his/her job? -sam
[2005-10-04 10:39:33] - does anyone here hate their job? -sam
[2005-10-04 10:16:26] - Dave: Kinda like a tabloid, but with slightly more credibility, because generally the things in there actually happened. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-04 10:02:48] - Dave: New York Times is much more liberal I thought. Maybe you are thinking of the New York Post? -Paul
[2005-10-04 10:00:13] - Xpovos: heh heh, scandal rag eh? -dave
[2005-10-04 09:53:20] - The Washington Times is conservative leaning, and the NY Post is a scandal rag. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-04 09:52:47] - Washington Post is liberal, New York Times is more liberal, but have a reputation to uphold as "The Newspaper of Record" or sommat. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-04 09:19:23] - as a sidenote, I do believe the WashPost is generally regarded as more liberal while the Times is regarded as more conservative (if I remember correctly) -dave
[2005-10-04 09:18:14] - not trying to say that one or the other is biased, but that you can definitely slant opinion without sounding partisan at all -dave
[2005-10-04 09:17:32] - kinda interesting to compare the two and see how the opinion slants one way or the other, even though the articles by themselves seem totally unbiased -dave
[2005-10-04 09:15:45] - the WashPost says that the evidence must be condemning because the new jury indicted him in such short time -dave
[2005-10-04 09:15:24] - the NYTimes has a quote that says that the new grand jury that passed the new indictment probably didn't understand it at all, since they passed it on the first day, and it usually take a day to just do the orientation -dave
[2005-10-04 09:14:28] - xpovos: heh heh, exactly -dave
[2005-10-04 09:14:13] - the NYTimes one states that the second indictment is basically for the same offense, but was made immediately after Delay's lawyers indicated that the law for the first indictment didn't apply because of technicalities (the potential offense was committed at a time the law didn't apply or somesuch) -dave
[2005-10-04 09:13:19] - That's why revolvers have six shells. When the first shot misses, fire two more into the center of mass. He'll go down eventually. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-04 09:12:32] - two articles on the new indictment against Delay. The WashPost one is more negative against Delay and the NYTimes one is more positive -dave
[2005-10-04 09:12:04] - http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/04/politics/04delay.html?hp&ex=1128484800&en=8ff16cde54407f43&ei=5094&partner=homepage -dave
[2005-10-04 09:11:56] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/03/AR2005100300190.html -dave
[2005-10-04 09:11:46] - xpovos: I dunno, actually, but it's different from the mozilla site itself -dave
[2005-10-04 09:10:17] - I can guess, but what is SpreadFirefox? -- Xpovos
[2005-10-04 09:03:57] - http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/04/realestate/04reals.html?hp&ex=1128484800&en=e9bc032df8f4ec49&ei=5094&partner=homepage Slowing is seen in housing prices in hot markets -dave
[2005-10-04 08:42:50] - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0740748475/qid=1128429727/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1567613-7720707?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 The Complete Calvin and Hobbes $92 -dave
[2005-10-04 08:18:57] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051004-5383.html SpreadFirefox site hacked, again -dave
[2005-10-04 08:16:35] - "Anderson claims that the Settlement Support Center acknowledged the probability of her innocence, but informed her that should she refuse to settle, the RIAA would proceed with a suit in order to discourage others from attempting to defend themselves against unwarranted litigation. " -dave
[2005-10-04 08:15:42] - she claims they illegally infiltrated her computer and then pressured her to settle (by paying thousands of dollars) even though she claims she had nothing on her computer and invited them to look -dave
[2005-10-04 08:14:35] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051004-5382.html Woman countersues RIAA for fraud and deceptive business practices -dave
[2005-10-04 00:03:34] - hahaha, I love feuds between useless people. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1510635/09292005/good_charlotte.jhtml - pierce
[2005-10-03 18:04:55] - xponnie: good questions! - aaron
[2005-10-03 17:40:03] - dave: but kal-el doesn't sound like korean though... -sam
[2005-10-03 17:39:38] - dave: btw, nick cage's wife is korean -sam
[2005-10-03 17:39:07] - aaron: hell with the dmv, do you think kal-el's going to like it?
- vinnie[2005-10-03 16:10:12] - I think you're stretching with Where's the Beef. .... Help, I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up! is much better -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 16:08:18] - wow, that washington post writer really had a man-crush on trenchcoat guy. I never particularly cared for the character (or the commercials) -- it doesn't really ring to me as one of the iconic advertising characters like joe camel, chester cheet-o, "where's the beef" lady, etc. - pierce
[2005-10-03 16:00:36] - Aaron: How do they handle all the women who hyphenate their last name, then? -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 16:00:20] - Dave: I think I was thinking of Halel, which is cuisine that meets muslim dietary restrictions. Still-- Superman's real name isn't great either.
[2005-10-03 15:34:53] - kal-el? with a hyphen? the dmv isn't going to like that - aaron
[2005-10-03 15:31:53] - xpovos: that's superman's kryptonian name. it might be something else as well -dave
[2005-10-03 15:31:07] - Isn't that a type of cuisine? -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 15:22:39] - http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=203049>1=7139 Heh, Nicolas Cage has a new baby boy - they named him Kal-el -dave
[2005-10-03 15:20:07] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/02/AR2005100201300.html Sprint's Trench Coat Guy nixxed -dave
[2005-10-03 15:10:22] - a: or like a coach of a sports team - it's generally better if they actually played the sport rather than have just been a career coach -dave
[2005-10-03 15:09:31] - a: he can lay down better policy or steer the programmers better because he was one himself and so has firsthand experience of what the problems and difficulties are -dave
[2005-10-03 15:08:55] - a: it seems similar (to me) as a CEO of a software company having been a programmer -dave
[2005-10-03 15:07:19] - a: do you have anecdotal evidence to back it up? qed -dave
[2005-10-03 14:57:47] - good thing ~a
[2005-10-03 14:56:58] - a: But you are saying that all lawyers are slimy? Good thing we're all against generalizations here.
-Paul[2005-10-03 14:55:58] - dave: (i'm not saying that all judges aren't slimy) but how could you think that being a slimy lawyer would help you learn to be a judge moreso than (say) being a judge? ~a
[2005-10-03 14:53:40] - dave: *laugh* are you serious? ~a
[2005-10-03 14:52:56] - sam: whereas miers has been a practicing lawyer - not that this is better, but I would think it means she has a different, perhaps helpful perspective -dave
[2005-10-03 14:52:13] - sam: well, I believe they all need their law degree, but I think some may have just been judges for a longtime - like I believe Roberts has just been a judge for most if not all of is career (not sure, might want to check this) -dave
[2005-10-03 14:50:33] - dave: aren't all judges former lawyers? -sam
[2005-10-03 14:48:48] - sam: interestingly, some people are saying she's better because she has experience as a practicing lawyer, vs some of the others who have just been judges -dave
[2005-10-03 14:47:41] - Sam: He should've picked himself.
-Paul[2005-10-03 14:47:34] - dave: but i would rather want someone who has some experiences -sam
[2005-10-03 14:46:48] - dave: but then, i guess that doesn't matter because the president can pick whomever he wishes -sam
[2005-10-03 14:46:41] - maybe bush knows that there's some really huge screwup that's bound to hit the airwaves before his term is over, and he wants to pad the court with people who won't hold him accountable.
</tinfoil> - pierce[2005-10-03 14:45:44] - "Reid [Senate Minority Leader] noted that 39 other people have been appointed to the Supreme Court without having experience as a judge." -dave
[2005-10-03 14:45:33] - dave: it seems like bush picked her because he was "comfortable" with her. -sam
[2005-10-03 14:44:48] - Paul: I was -dave
[2005-10-03 14:44:45] - "White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters that both Republican and Democratic senators suggested Miers by name to the president." -dave
[2005-10-03 14:44:38] - Was anybody else surprised that she wasn't married? -Paul
[2005-10-03 14:43:42] - "Reaction from Democrats was noncommittal but not negative, mostly because of who she isn't (a prominent conservative judge similar to some of those on the White House short list) than who she is." -dave
[2005-10-03 14:43:04] - sam: I'm not sure how loyalty to Bush could make much of a difference, especially considering that he's not going to be president for too much longer, and she will be an SC justice (if passed) for quite awhile -dave
[2005-10-03 14:40:11] - Checked it myself, he's Catholic (Roman Catholic) -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 14:38:02] - Archbishop of what? (And don't say Louisiana) -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 14:37:41] - Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston have put their $23 million Beverly Hills estate up for sale http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9572736/ -sam
[2005-10-03 14:34:40] - Louisiana Archbishop Alfred C. Hughes reassured the congregation that God did not cause the hurricane to punish evildoers. "God tolerates evil in order that we may ultimately realize a greater good," he said, urging those gathered to keep a close relationship with God. -sam
[2005-10-03 14:28:35] - ok, no, not exactly, but he was the successor of his appointee. ~a
[2005-10-03 14:27:51] - and he was appointed by his apointee?!
~a[2005-10-03 14:27:10] - wow, taft was a chief justice. ~a
[2005-10-03 14:26:03] - "Ms Miers is likely to be “sympathetic to business issues”, in much the same way as John Roberts, who also has a long history as a corporate lawyer." -sam
[2005-10-03 14:24:36] - "Legal experts question whether closeness to Mr Bush is her main qualification. According to one Republican strategist involved with a political advocacy group: “She is closer to the president even than Gonzales. John Roberts [newly installed as chief justice] wasn't his person. They have a long-term relationship and a legal comfort level."" -sam
[2005-10-03 14:24:02] - Sam: I have the older version of the diplomacy board game which actually seemed decent enough as long as you didn't play with any computer players.
-Paul[2005-10-03 14:22:58] - "Ms Miers has never been a judge, has little experience at the top appellate levels, and has a fairly modest background as a lawyer. She is a behind-the-scenes lawyer who is known, primarily, for her loyalty to the president who chose her not the kind of credentials that normally make for smooth confirmation by a deeply divided US Senate" -sam
[2005-10-03 14:22:57] - Dave: Well, I guess it's safe to say that the old court wasn't likely to overturn it's own decision but that these new whipper snappers just might get uppity and decide to reverse something that they think wasn't well founded legislatively. -Paul
[2005-10-03 14:22:46] - Dave: I think the issue is that since it wasn't well founded legislatively, the issue is bound to come up again, and stare decisis can be ignored, so the justices that are on the court at that point will have huge impact. Which makes the nomination contentious. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 14:19:49] - what, so the inference is that since both left and right believe it was not well-founded, that it's going to change with the "new" court? -dave
[2005-10-03 14:16:38] - The subject of Roe vs. Wade is highly topical in this most recent nomination, due in no small part to views from both the political left and right that this landmark Supreme Court decision is not especially well-founded legislatively.
[2005-10-03 14:16:14] - paul: new "diplomacy" pc game http://www.diplomacy-pcgame.com/ -sam
[2005-10-03 14:14:25] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic As always, pretty good synopsis.
[2005-10-03 14:13:44] - Sam: I guess I saw him give the middle finger to fans during the game. At the time, I thought he was just pointing (with his index finger) to some fans but I guess I was mistaken. -Paul
[2005-10-03 14:13:03] - Sam: I haven't seen the new Diplomacy PC game, no. -Paul
[2005-10-03 14:11:19] - 'rehnquist was the first sc justice to die in office since 1954 and the first chief justice to die in office since 1953.' heh, the early 50s weren't so good for the sc. ~a
[2005-10-03 14:10:26] - I love etymology. Not so fond of entymology. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 14:09:03] - "Among the non-judges appointed to the Supreme Court in modern history are the late William H. Rehnquist, who was a top Justice Department official in the Nixon administration" -dave
[2005-10-03 14:08:56] - i wasn't complaining. ~a
[2005-10-03 14:08:38] - dave: no, i think that's normal. ~a
[2005-10-03 14:07:42] - dave: ok. i was wrong. it says he was a chief lawyer, not a judge. (big difference) ~a
[2005-10-03 14:07:34] - a: honestly, that doesn't seem too bad (salary) considering it's a lifetime job and the legal credentials "required" for the job -dave
[2005-10-03 14:06:53] - Dave: you are correct, according to the site I've seen there have been 16 SC justices who were never judges before taking the position. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 14:06:45] - dave: not true. ~a
[2005-10-03 14:06:30] - did anyone see vick flipping bird on tv againt WVU? -sam
[2005-10-03 14:06:21] - Scientology is also universal (aka catholic) in that it is open to all, and believes itself to be the one route to salvation. The exact opposite would be a Universalist Unitarian Church which discriminated membership based on (insert reson here). -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 14:05:44] - Vick apologizes for obscene gesture (the middle finger) http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/ncaa/10/03/bc.fbc.vick.apology.ap/index.html -sam
[2005-10-03 14:05:12] - sam: I believe rehnquist was also never a judge before he became chief justice -dave
[2005-10-03 14:04:47] - http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/01/news/newsmakers/salary/a_years_work.gif how much miers will make. ~a
[2005-10-03 14:04:19] - Hmm, again, we're running into definition issues. I'm using the term in the last sense in the wikipedia list, the one that talks about Catholics. Not in the pluralism sense that it has been corrupted into. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_pluralism -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 14:01:41] - sam: there have been associate justices that were never judges before. ~a
[2005-10-03 13:58:33] - dave: i wasn't referring to UUs, i was referring to (umm) regular catholics? ~a
[2005-10-03 13:58:26] - it seems like bush picked her because she is a woman -sam
[2005-10-03 13:57:22] - High Court Nominee Harriet Miers Has Never Been a Judge http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1179929 -sam
[2005-10-03 13:54:38] - a: were you replying to my comment? I was trying to say that UUs consider themselves a "universalist religion", believing that all religions lead to the same end, like Xpovos said that Scientology was -dave
[2005-10-03 13:52:29] - paul: did you check out the new diplomacy pc game? -sam
[2005-10-03 13:51:31] - paul: yea i had problems with it, i think i fixed it now. -sam
[2005-10-03 13:21:48] - Sam: By the way, I don't think I'm able to call you on your cell phone. Every time I try, I get some weird static sounds. -Paul
[2005-10-03 13:21:13] - Sam: Yeah, I wonder if that's some kind of record. -Paul
[2005-10-03 13:14:27] - wow bulger threw 62 times yesterday..... -sam
[2005-10-03 13:03:09] - hmmm, ok i doubt that a bunch. i'm guessing you're referring to: "Universalism may be associated with Catholicism, through the etymology of the Greek 'katholicos,' meaning 'universal.' The term Catholic originally referred to its 'One Church' model as a 'universal church,' for all to participate." which has nothing to do with scientology i don't think. ~a
[2005-10-03 12:55:33] - universalism is the belief that all religions are "equal roads to heaven". wtf, really? all catholics believe that all religions are equal roads to heaven? ~a
[2005-10-03 12:55:00] - a:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalist
[2005-10-03 12:52:22] - what does universalist mean? ~a
[2005-10-03 12:47:00] - xpovos: unitarian universalists I think are also like that -dave
[2005-10-03 12:03:20] - Pierce: No, I'm saying that Scientology considers itself a universalist religion, and is in that sense catholic. It's a definition thing. -- Xpovos
[2005-10-03 12:00:36] - Amy: Heh, nobody is really to blame. You didn't think the movie looked interesting and so you didn't go see it. If anybody is to blame, it sounds like it's the advertising people.
-Paul[2005-10-03 11:55:48] - Paul: too bad. but I guess I'm partly to blame, as I also shrugged as you all went off to see it .p -amy
[2005-10-03 11:54:52] - Amy: That particular article didn't (I don't think), but others that I read did. It sounds like mostly the fans of Firefly came out to see the movie and most everybody else just kinda shrugged. -Paul
[2005-10-03 11:51:31] - lordriaaroian: thank you ^_^-amy
[2005-10-03 11:51:22] - Paul: The only people I know who even made mention of the movie were Firefly fans. I don't know how many people who weren't into the series were interested in the movie in itself. I didn't read the article, does it mention that? -amy
[2005-10-03 11:50:00] - Amy: Which isn't to say somebody who hasn't seen the series wouldn't like the movie, just that the movie throws a lot of concepts at the viewer which might be overwhelming unless you've seen the TV show. -Paul
[2005-10-03 11:48:44] - Amy: I think they went through great pains to try to make the movie accessible to anybody and to try to downplay the fact that it was based on a cancelled TV show. Having said that, I think people who have seen the show would enjoy the movie more. -Paul
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