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[2006-04-19 12:36:36] - sam:  i love how the directions on local.live.com show me how to turn on javascript for ie 3.x, ie 4.x, ie 5.x, and ie 6.x.  ummm . . . what about netscape?  or safari?  or ie 7.x?  or opera?  ~a

[2006-04-19 12:26:19] - also, hopefully you've had it for a while . . . it's still up if so.  ~a

[2006-04-19 12:25:25] - paul:  ouch.  20%?  how much did you have?  ~a

[2006-04-19 12:23:39] - hmm, interesting.  the bellamy salute.  ~a

[2006-04-19 12:20:33] - sweet map service from microsoft... try using the aerial view and the bird's eye view  http://local.live.com/    -sam

[2006-04-19 11:43:34] - Stupid Vitesse Semiconductor, bringing my portfolio down with their internal investigations. This is like Xybernaut all over again. :-P -Paul

[2006-04-19 10:20:39] - mig: I suppose. My theory is that it's just generally better to throw in as many charges as you think applies because it's probably easier to drop some charges later than to add new ones. -Paul

[2006-04-19 10:16:28] - paul:  kindapping probably is a lesser charge, but i don't think by much, given some of the sentences i've read getting handed down for it. - mig

[2006-04-19 10:15:47] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/18/AR2006041801622.html Despite Arrests, U-Va. Students Devoted to Bettering Workers. -Paul

[2006-04-19 10:11:44] - title:  soon.  ~a

[2006-04-19 10:04:35] - aba: Sounds pretty interesting. Since I don't have an easy way to get photos on my computer, I likely would only use the extra userpics so I'm not sure it's worth it for me. Something to keep an eye on, though. -Paul

[2006-04-19 10:01:56] - mig: Probably so that plea bargains are easier. This way, they could plead guilty to kidnapping only instead of rape (assuming it's a lesser charge). -Paul

[2006-04-19 09:41:54] - speaking of which, i noticed that in addition to rape they were charged with kidnapping.  Exactly what is the rationale for that, other than just arbitrarily trumping up the charges? - mig

[2006-04-19 09:40:41] - http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806&page=1 one of the players arrested in duke lacrosse case has a pretty strong alibi. - mig

[2006-04-19 09:29:34] - dave: you are a day late on the HD-DVD :-P -sam

[2006-04-19 07:55:33] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060418-6621.html HD-DVD officially launches -dave

[2006-04-19 00:23:32] - http://news.livejournal.com/91919.html  free lj users can now get premium features by turning on ads instead of paying.  -  aba

[2006-04-18 17:20:07] - very cute kitty! http://cfs4.blog.daum.net/upload_control/download.blog?fhandle=MDN1WVZAZnM0LmJsb2cuZGF1bS5uZXQ6L0lNQUdFLzAvMy5qcGcudGh1bWI=&filename=3.jpg -sam

[2006-04-18 16:50:10] - http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2006/04/titanic_ii.html Titanic 2 trailer. -Paul

[2006-04-18 16:49:46] - aaron:  i'm guessing.  ~a

[2006-04-18 16:48:47] - aaron:  because not everybody is making an international phone call or isp connection every day  ~a

[2006-04-18 16:46:03] - a: yeah i have been going there like twice a day to ask the people if it's OK to close the door. i'm becoming quite unpopular on my hall. oh well. -amy

[2006-04-18 16:39:28] - i mean even guessing AT+T has 1.5 million customers (which i think is pretty conservative), that would add up to ~2 trillion dollars, so where do they get this hundreds of millions estimate? - aaron

[2006-04-18 16:38:01] - how could $100 per person per day for 4 years possibly add up to "hundreds of millions of dollars"? does AT+T really only have 6,842 customers? - aaron

[2006-04-18 16:36:11] - sam: i kind of assumed stuff like that existed, but i was surprised the fine for using it was only $50. HOV violators net a $100 fine, probably half of whom are just tourists or people ignorantly staying on 66 too long, not like this guy who's maliciously purchasing and operating a device with the intent of breaking the law - aaron

[2006-04-18 16:20:53] - "the damages EFF is seeking could be enormous: $100 per person for each day of illegal surveillance (plus any punitive damages)"  sounds pretty cool; my officemate has been using at&t for the full four years . . . that's $146k.  that would make a pretty big down payment on a house.  ~a

[2006-04-18 16:15:33] - i like asking questions?  ~a

[2006-04-18 16:15:18] - close the conference room door?  ~a

[2006-04-18 16:14:53] - at&t is helping the nsa spy on americans?  ~a

[2006-04-18 15:59:19] - i want to know who designs the office and puts the entrance to the cubicle (that has no door) 4 feet from the door to the conference room. -amy

[2006-04-18 15:47:47] - aaron: yea, my co-worker told me about it. i didn't even know a gadget like that existed... -sam

[2006-04-18 14:45:20] - sam:  cool.  ~a

[2006-04-18 14:41:07] - http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/18/traffic.changer.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories  No green light for driver with traffic signal gadget - aaron

[2006-04-18 14:25:38] - a: 30 yr, 6.25% -sam

[2006-04-18 14:12:24] - a: mine is fixed rate -sam

[2006-04-18 13:34:29] - Xpovos: Yeah, same here. On one hand, I kinda like seeing foolishness getting it's due but on the other hand, it doesn't really help me much so it's kinda frustrating. -Paul

[2006-04-18 13:21:12] - Paul: I take satisfaction, but it doesn't actually help me any.  There just won't be enough foreclosures around here to depress the market enough.  -- Xpovos

[2006-04-18 13:03:01] - a: Reports, the Seagate program.  I actually was aware of the chem program but completely forgot about it. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-18 13:02:22] - i assume you're not referring to the software synth called crystal.  ~a

[2006-04-18 13:01:38] - which crystal?  crystal reports?  crystal (chemistry software)?  ~a

[2006-04-18 12:58:18] - Anyone familiar with Crystal?  I've got a noodler. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-18 12:39:19] - though darwin econonomics don't usually play nicely with liberal economics.  ~a

[2006-04-18 12:38:35] - nope.  i take satisfaction from reading that article too.  stupid people should be punished by darwin for their stupidity.  ~a

[2006-04-18 12:03:23] - a: Is it wrong that I take a certain measure of satisfaction from reading that article? -Paul

[2006-04-18 11:56:06] - sam:  do you have an arm loan?  ~a

[2006-04-18 11:52:26] - oh god, rhonda has an arm?  poor rhonda.  ~a

[2006-04-18 11:51:42] - *** a has +25% equity

[2006-04-18 11:46:11] - http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Banking/Homefinancing/P148861.asp The negative equity epidemic -Paul

[2006-04-18 11:14:19] - Maxtor OneTouchâ„¢ III Turbo Edition - 1TB External Hard Drive with user-configurable RAID $899.95 http://www.maxstore.com/product.asp?sku=2772832  -sam

[2006-04-18 11:07:24] - a:  from what i've seen from the coverage, the perception of assumed guilt is there. - mig

[2006-04-18 11:05:21] - a: Perhaps, I just don't like that they have no problem revealing all the information about one side but shield the other. Doesn't seem right that you can throw around accusations without putting yourself out there too. -Paul

[2006-04-18 11:04:22] - "The high-definition DVD era begins today with the official launch in the United States of HD-DVD movie players and discs. Don't expect much fanfare — only two players ($499 and $799 Toshiba models) and four movies are available." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002936638_hddvd18.html -sam

[2006-04-18 11:00:11] - i think you just have a perceived assumed guild by the media :-P  ~a

[2006-04-18 10:59:28] - aba: Yeah, I don't mean to imply that I believe she is lying (even though that's likely how it sounds), I just wish there wasn't this assumed guilt by the media. -Paul

[2006-04-18 10:59:18] - doesn't sound very murky to me.  there were dna samples that didn't match with the lacrosse players or the accuser?  ~a

[2006-04-18 10:48:05] - it's a really murky case.  -  aba

[2006-04-18 10:47:34] - a: however dna testing from the rape kit did not match any of the dna samples collected from the lacrosse players.  -  aba

[2006-04-18 10:43:36] - a: According to the prosecutor, the hospital examination found injuries consistent with rape. -Paul

[2006-04-18 10:38:57] - paul:  oh.  ok.  rape kit or no rape kit?  ~a

[2006-04-18 10:32:20] - a: Because from everything I've read, the evidence is inconclusive at best for the accuser. -Paul

[2006-04-18 10:30:19] - how do you know it's a case of "she said, they said"?  i assume (maybe this is a gaint leap here) that there was a rape kit.  ~a

[2006-04-18 10:28:23] - a: Yes, "glad" is sarcasm. I'm old school where I still believe it's innocent until proven guilty and when it's a case of "she said, they said" and we're not going to name her, maybe we shouldn't name them either. -Paul

[2006-04-18 10:28:03] - i.e. if there isn't any hard evidence, then they're innocent.  ~a

[2006-04-18 10:21:53] - paul:  the stripper mother isn't the one on trial here.  who cares what her name is?  all the court (and the people) should care about is if the dudes did what they have been accused of.  ~a

[2006-04-18 10:16:43] - paul:  "glad" is sarcasm?  ~a

[2006-04-18 10:11:05] - And is $400k bond common in this type of case? -Paul

[2006-04-18 10:07:07] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/18/AR2006041800311.html I probably don't want to get involved in this again, but I'm glad they're revealing the names of the Duke lacrosse players that were charged and not the accuser. -Paul

[2006-04-18 09:56:14] - Mig: Last I heard from Devin (which was a while ago), he was doing well and I believe was going for some special engineering training through the navy. -Paul

[2006-04-18 09:41:32] - every tuesday i see these ads in AIM for "idol tonight!" so apparently they made a TV show entirely devoted to another TV show. on a diff network no less. -amy

[2006-04-18 09:40:05] - i am the only one in my group who shows up in my office, every day. except those rare days when my boss sneaks up on me. -amy

[2006-04-18 09:31:42] - s/have/are

[2006-04-18 09:31:30] - all our team leads have mysteriously missing this week. - mig

[2006-04-18 09:29:54] - So: My department is 6 people.  Two of them are my superiors, two are co-workers, one is special.  Of the six, I am the only one in the office today.  Whee! -- Xpovos

[2006-04-18 09:23:20] - Anyway, he was active and online as of a few months ago when I got him to join LH.  But he's faded away again after that.  He was doing well at the time. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-18 09:22:50] - mig: Errm, yeah, forgot about him briefly, he joined for totally different reasons. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-18 08:44:12] - anyone heard from devin recently, while we're on the subject? - mig

[2006-04-18 08:16:37] - sam: Because they couldn't get any other job. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-18 07:27:58] - usmc

[2006-04-18 00:33:29] - sam: i have a friend who went into the USMC straight out of high school.  she got really bad grades though, and i think she felt at the time that she wasn't ready for school full time.  she excelled in the marines and has learned a lot more about leadership than most of us.  she's finally starting to take classes part time now to get her degree (through the USMC).  -  aba

[2006-04-17 23:07:06] - Sam: I don't know too many people in the military but I do think I know the reasons why the people I do know joined. -paul

[2006-04-17 23:02:47] - Sam: I'm not sure if you have a glorified idea of what the military is like but I also think that at least going through something like boot camp could instill certain values like discipline and confidence. -paul

[2006-04-17 21:04:49] - to_all: if you guys have friends in the military, have you asked them why they joined the military? -sam

[2006-04-17 18:29:46] - sam:  i don't think physical prowess is as important as mental ability.  i.e. becoming a soldier is not too important in today's world.  also, i think there are a lot better ways to "become a warrior" than joining the military.  ~a

[2006-04-17 17:57:22] - a: i want to be this mean, strong, tough guy that brings fear to those who oppose me -sam

[2006-04-17 17:54:27] - a: but i also want to be rich and live comfortably... so i dunno if i wanna join as of yet-sam

[2006-04-17 17:49:42] - a: i want to become a fearless warrior. i think the marine corp might be able to mold me into one. -sam

[2006-04-17 17:36:41] - i, like paul, can think of no good reasons.  ~a

[2006-04-17 17:36:12] - sam:  can you give a good reason to join the military?  ~a

[2006-04-17 17:25:58] - Sam: So, in other words, I'm not sure what the military could offer me. -Paul

[2006-04-17 17:25:37] - Sam: I dunno, because I'm not terribly interested in killing people or working for the government and I'm not sure the pay would be as good either. -Paul

[2006-04-17 17:20:12] - paul: y? -sam

[2006-04-17 17:17:47] - Sam: No. -Paul

[2006-04-17 17:15:36] - has anyone thought about quiting their job and joining the military? -sam

[2006-04-17 17:15:10] - paul: ! -sam

[2006-04-17 17:15:04] - paul: . -sam

[2006-04-17 17:13:32] - Sam: Damn, you win, I don't think I can get any shorter than a smilie face. -Paul

[2006-04-17 17:09:56] - paul: :) -sam

[2006-04-17 17:09:28] - Sam: Ok. -Paul

[2006-04-17 17:08:09] - paul: yes. -sam

[2006-04-17 17:04:15] - Sam: He looks rich? -Paul

[2006-04-17 16:54:49] - paul: i don't know, he just looked rich, lol -sam

[2006-04-17 16:52:12] - Sam: Not sure yet. I just know I want to take one before the end of the year. -Paul

[2006-04-17 16:51:36] - Sam: If I read the article correctly, that was his adjusted income. Why would you think he made more than that? -Paul

[2006-04-17 16:46:13] - paul: when r u thinking of taking vacation? -sam

[2006-04-17 16:45:48] - paul: weekend is best for me for nba2k6 -sam

[2006-04-17 16:38:36] - a: i made 9 million :) -sam

[2006-04-17 16:38:02] - paul: i thought cheney made more than that. - sam

[2006-04-17 16:36:51] - sam:  how many million did you make?  ~a

[2006-04-17 16:36:14] - paul: cheney only made $8.85 million last year?  -sam

[2006-04-17 16:11:55] - aaron:  i figured family guy was a metaphor for southpark.  i.e. the writers of "southpark" will refuse to write if their idea balls get removed from the tank?  i don't know if i'm making any sense, but it seems like they were saying that if comedy central refused to air their episode uncensored, then they were going to refuse to write more southpark.  ~a

[2006-04-17 15:50:48] - a: series finale? what? we're talking about the "muhammed pt. 2" one right? nothing about that seemed particularly final to me - aaron

[2006-04-17 13:53:21] - Sam: Did you want to meet up sometime to try NBA 2k6 multiplayer? Let me know. -Paul

[2006-04-17 13:18:25] - Xpovos: Sorry! If it makes you feel any better, AMD stock just keeps going down as well. :-P -Paul

[2006-04-17 12:55:38] - Woo... look at Sirius go.  Down.  Whee! I love the Stock Market rollercoaster. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-17 09:55:02] - Sam: I think that was 78% of Cheney's income last year. -Paul

[2006-04-17 09:53:43] - Vinnie: Yeah, sorry. It was a bit ambiguous. :-P -Paul

[2006-04-17 09:50:14] - vinnie:  that is true though, gates certainly seems to donate an obscene amount of money. - mig

[2006-04-17 09:30:02] - oh I misunderstood what you were saying. more than anyone you personally know :P - vinnie

[2006-04-17 09:29:37] - paul: bill gates? - vinnie

[2006-04-17 08:50:21] - Now, that's what he itemized, so it could easily be more, but-- considering he didn't even check off the box to apply an additional tax to himself for charitable purposes (Massachusetts state tax return) I think it's pretty obvious where his position on charitable giving is. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-17 08:47:47] - You may not like the source, but it was the most readily available: Kerry gives (at most) $44K in chartiable donations. http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200404140841.asp -- Xpovos

[2006-04-17 08:40:53] - sam:  i don't think the % should matter.  no matter how you look at it 6.9 mill is a fucking lot of money. - mig

[2006-04-17 07:59:30] - paul: 6.9 million probably doesn't mean much to cheney -sam

[2006-04-17 07:59:02] - paul: how many % of cheney's income was the donation? -sam

[2006-04-16 23:09:17] - a: It's more than anybody I know that has donated to charity. -Paul

[2006-04-16 21:48:51] - probably not i'd guess but interesting nonetheless.  ~a

[2006-04-16 21:47:55] - did anyone see the new southpark?  aaron?  series finale?  ~a

[2006-04-16 17:38:13] - mig:  awesome!  thanks much.  -  aba

[2006-04-16 13:22:10] - aba:  i believe so.  let me so how it works and i'll shoot you an e-mail. - mig

[2006-04-16 12:21:07] - mboard:  i heard that WoW players can sign their friends up for a free trial?  is that true, and if so anyone want to hook me up ~10 days from now?  -  aba

[2006-04-16 10:58:48] - paul:  is that supposed to be a lot?  ~a

[2006-04-15 09:16:21] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/14/AR2006041401481.html Cheney's donated about $6.9 million to charity in 2005. -Paul

[2006-04-15 00:30:40] - aba: Heh, I guess it's too late for that then. :-P -Paul

[2006-04-14 19:59:51] - paul:  it's up to you to make it exciting!  -  aba

[2006-04-14 15:29:33] - Exciting day on the message board today. -Paul

[2006-04-14 12:40:22] - http://www.rockbox.org/ open source firmware for all sorts of mp3 players

[2006-04-14 10:50:11] - Huh, the markets are closed on Good Friday. I suppose that's probably a good thing after AMD dropped 10% yesterday. :-P -Paul

[2006-04-14 10:11:52] - lame duck president.  :-P  -  aba

[2006-04-14 09:15:11] - http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/iraqspeecheshavedonelittletobuoywarsupport people aren't buying gwbush's "everything is fine.  nothing is ruined" speeches on iraq. - mig

[2006-04-14 07:49:24] - Hours after an exotic dancer was allegedly raped by members of the Duke University lacrosse team, a player apparently sent an e-mail saying he wanted to invite more strippers to his dorm room, kill them and skin them. It was not clear whether the message was serious or a joke.  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2398258  -sam

[2006-04-14 07:42:32] - A woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by members of Duke University's lacrosse team was described as "just passed-out drunk" by one of the first police officers to see her, according to a recording of radio traffic released by Durham police on Thursday and obtained by The Associated Press.  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2407782  -sam

[2006-04-13 15:27:13] - a: I believe so. I think you can get state municipal bonds that don't get state taxed tho -dave

[2006-04-13 15:07:00] - i have to pay federal (us) taxes on interest earned from federal (us) savings bonds, right?  ~a

[2006-04-13 14:46:34] - paul: I guess ur right. Apparently Intel confirmed they are going to aggressively drop their prices http://yahoo.reuters.com/stocks/QuoteCompanyNewsArticle.aspx?storyID=urn:newsml:reuters.com:20060413:MTFH65944_2006-04-13_18-16-14_N13295640&symbol=AMD.N&rpc=44 -dave

[2006-04-13 14:44:11] - Dave: I know, I saw that, I still think it's really weird that AMD would drop by such a dramatic amount just because they aren't supposed to be gaining much after beating expectations this quarter. -Paul

[2006-04-13 14:42:58] - I found the following amusing "Iran's claim of innocuous nuclear ambitions comports both with the Islamic doctrine of taqqiya (literal truth need not be conveyed to infidels) and the Western doctrine of state secrecy (the same thing), and it is part of a strategy of deception and false compromise deployed to buy time" -dave

[2006-04-13 14:42:34] - that from here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041201659.html -dave

[2006-04-13 14:42:25] - "Even were one to believe that, despite its low and stagnant per capita gross national product and having the world's second-largest reserves of petroleum and natural gas, Iran would invest uneconomically in nuclear power generation, one would also have to disbelieve that it wanted nuclear weapons" -dave

[2006-04-13 14:42:13] - Paul: you read the financial news? it's because their projection for the next quarter is flat -dave

[2006-04-13 12:27:39] - It was still a ways away from 40.

[2006-04-13 10:31:04] - a: Heh, I was too. -Paul

[2006-04-13 10:30:43] - AMD beats wall-street expectations... and promptly goes down 9%. I love the stock market. :-P -Paul

[2006-04-13 10:29:05] - and i was going to sell at 40.  ~a

[2006-04-13 10:26:17] - paul:  amd :(  ~a

[2006-04-12 22:49:44] - :'(  ~a

[2006-04-12 22:11:40] - a: Sure, i'll probably go anyways though - aaron

[2006-04-12 17:32:00] - aaron:  do you mind if we cancel this week?  ~a

[2006-04-12 16:47:07] - ddr_people: not going tomorrow. have tons of fun without me - vinnie

[2006-04-12 11:42:17] - a: I didn't bother checking, but I also didn't have any stocks that I had held onto for more than a year. -Paul

[2006-04-12 11:35:31] - i don't doubt that it's possible that turbotax is calculating it correctly, it just isn't obvious from the forms how it's getting done.  ~a

[2006-04-12 11:33:50] - paul:  not easily.  the important part is that they're getting combined.  ~a

[2006-04-12 11:09:17] - a: Can you calculate how much taxes you are paying for those stocks you sold? -Paul

[2006-04-12 11:00:25] - Paul: I suppose it is a mindset.  However, I am of the opinion that your mindset is more dangerous behind a gun than one who is willing and expecting to use lethal force. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-12 10:55:15] - i bought my apartment in 2005, so i sold a large amount of stock.  ~a

[2006-04-12 10:54:39] - if the government screws me out of an extra 15%, that'll be lots of money.  ~a

[2006-04-12 10:54:10] - a: Heh, it's probably not doing it right. :-P -Paul

[2006-04-12 10:50:58] - paul:  so do i!  i'm looking at what turbotax is producing and i have no idea why it seems like they're getting combined.  ~a

[2006-04-12 10:48:55] - a: I have no idea. I use TurboTax. -Paul

[2006-04-12 10:47:15] - paul:  if short term and long term capital gains are taxed differently, then why the heck are the amounts combined on line 16 of schedule d of the 1040?  ~a

[2006-04-12 09:50:43] - Xpovos: I don't think of it as "if somebody charges me with a knife I will kill them", I think of it as "if somebody charges me with a knife, I will scare them away or injure them to stop them from harming me". -Paul

[2006-04-12 09:49:36] - Xpovos: I agree, if somebody is running at you with a knife you don't want to try to aim for their leg or anything that might not work as well as shots at their torso. I just meant that you shouldn't really be shooting somebody with the intention of killing them (no matter where you are aiming). -Paul

[2006-04-12 09:01:00] - sam:  my position does not change either way.  You have no way of knowing if that guy is unarmed.  If it's a group, then there's no way around not using lethal force if they don't back off.    as for raping the wife, they better hope that shooting them is the worst thing i'll do to them. - mig

[2006-04-12 08:45:14] - Paul: When you shoot, shoot to kill.  If you're attempting to wound, you may miss, and either end up dead yourself, kill a bystander, or kill the intended victim.  None of which is what you intended.  Better to squeeze of three into the center of mass.  But that means more discretion about when to shoot.  -- Xpovos

[2006-04-12 08:38:36] - http://www.flabber.nl/archief/015821.php    funny short animation  -  aba

[2006-04-11 22:15:57] - something to note is that this particular D.A. is up for re-election this year. - mig

[2006-04-11 20:30:04] - http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=Au3q0jyBrGjbIjidsh9wB2g5nYcB?slug=ap-dukelacrosse-investigation&prov=ap&type=lgns D.A. vows to press ahead with rape investigation of Duke lacrosse team. -Paul

[2006-04-11 20:28:48] - Sam: My general thought is that you should almost never be trying to kill somebody (even in self-defense) but instead trying to wound them or scare them away. But if you were to accidentally kill somebody who was attacking you, I don't see how you can find much fault in that. -Paul

[2006-04-11 20:27:28] - mig: I would've found some of those comments funny if I didn't think they were serious. -Paul

[2006-04-11 20:18:50] - mig: or what if it's a group of intruders with no weapons trying to rape your wife?  is it ok to shoot them? -sam

[2006-04-11 20:17:38] - mig: or what if it's a group of intruders with no weapons just trying to rob you or steal your stuff? -sam

[2006-04-11 20:16:13] - mig: if the intruder has a knife, and threathens you with it, do you think it's ok for you to shoot him? -sam

[2006-04-11 18:50:32] - no it was not. - mig

[2006-04-11 18:26:19] - mig: Is that a question? :-P -Paul

[2006-04-11 18:22:59] - paul:  some of those comments made my head hurt? - mig

[2006-04-11 18:08:22] - imho, anyways. - mig

[2006-04-11 18:01:27] - morally if he threatens you or your property with force you have the right to repsond back with force. - mig

[2006-04-11 18:00:34] - sam:  if you're not a policeman there are very few cases where you can legally shoot someone even if they break into your house. - mig

[2006-04-11 16:30:12] - sam:  it depends.  if you're in virginia, i believe you have to warn the robber and he also has to either have a gun or pose a serious threat to your person.  ~a

[2006-04-11 16:12:35] - a: i meant legally. so if a robber breaks into your house, you can't just shoot him with your gun? -sam

[2006-04-11 15:20:08] - today has been my day of crazy templates (in c++) and generics (in java).  i just learned about partial template specialization in c++ and i can't figure out how to do partial template specialization on a member function level (instead of on the class level, like most people seem to ever want to do)  ~a

[2006-04-11 14:53:37] - a: sorry, still a noob when it comes to java generics. i know some of the absolute basics only. - aaron

[2006-04-11 14:29:58] - although i'm pretty sure it's both illegal (in most states) and immoral (imo)  ~a

[2006-04-11 14:29:04] - sam:  ok == legal || ok == moral ?  ~a

[2006-04-11 14:27:59] - if someone breaks into your house/apartment w/o your permission, is it ok to kill that person? -sam

[2006-04-11 14:04:32] - who knows about java generics?  i want to declare a generic method (NOT a generic class) and i want this generic method to be passed void and return void ( void method() ).  in other words, i want the caller to (somehow) denote the TYPE the method must work with, but not have to actually pass in an object of that TYPE.  ~a

[2006-04-11 13:54:45] - No problem. -- te amigo

[2006-04-11 13:23:31] - amigvos: Interesting, thanks for responding, guys. -Paul

[2006-04-11 13:22:54] - http://pandagon.net/2006/04/10/breaking/#comments Some interesting comments regarding the news that there was no DNA evidence linking the lacrosse team to any kind of rape. Some of the ads might be NSFW. -Paul

[2006-04-11 12:17:49] - but seriously, if you always kept the safety on OR kept it unloaded (or both) while i was there then i wouldn't care.  ~a

[2006-04-11 12:12:35] - paul:  i.e. it would not affect my willingless to visit your apartment unless i saw you being responsible with it.  :)  ~a

[2006-04-11 12:04:49] - paul:  i'd come over only if you let me play with it.  and yes, i would pretend to shoot you with it if that was the case.  ~a

[2006-04-11 12:03:54] - paul:  it would not affect my willingless to visit your apartment unless i saw you being irresponsible with it. - mig

[2006-04-11 12:00:23] - Paul: I think you know it would affect me not in the least.  I'd still come over just as infrequently.  And the reason would still be the distance. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-11 11:51:35] - and note the subtle word change from "rape" to "sexual assault". - mig

[2006-04-11 11:49:01] - and considering how many people have been exonerated from crimes after being convicted and imprisoned because of dna evidence, i don't think that's a particularly good argument for him to make. - mig

[2006-04-11 11:47:48] - "Nifong said Tuesday that in 75 to 80 percent of all sexual assault cases, there is no DNA evidence."  I'm not saying he's lying, but i find that hard to believe in this day and age. - mig

[2006-04-11 11:47:01] - Purely out of curiosity, how many people wouldn't come over to my place if they found out that I had a gun in my apartment? Don't worry, I don't have one secretly hidden in my apartment. I'm just wondering. -Paul

[2006-04-11 11:36:32] - ugh kfc chicken is awful. - mig

[2006-04-11 10:53:53] - aba: Bye, have a nice day. -Paul

[2006-04-11 10:50:37] - time for class.  have a nice day everyone.  :)  -  aba

[2006-04-11 10:50:13] - paul:  i think the durham community feels they are guilty while the students are more sympathetic.  i think the protests for the season to be forfeited were for also due to the racial slurs and lack of team supervision.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 10:33:06] - mig: Not only the media, though. From everything I've heard, there were a bunch of protests on the Duke campus calling for the season to be forfeited and everything. I think a lot of people had the "guilty even if proven innocent" mindset. -Paul

[2006-04-11 10:28:43] - paul:  well the media did basically convict them from the start, so i wouldn't be surprised that people will think coverup. - mig

[2006-04-11 10:26:48] - Xpovos: Yeah, that's the same conclusion I came to, that nobody is going to change their mind. The people protesting are still going to think that something happened and that it's a coverup. -Paul

[2006-04-11 10:24:46] - aba: We'll probably never know for sure, that's true. It just seems like from everything I've heard from the media, it sounds like most people are united against the Lacrosse team and I was wondering if that was true or not. -Paul

[2006-04-11 10:20:48] - Paul: People who made up their minds previously won't have their opinions changed.  They'll just assume it was bought off, or there were a mistakes, or it's some huge conspiracy.  It's probably the worst possible thing that could happen. -- Xpovos

[2006-04-11 10:16:35] - paul:  i think the DNA results point to them being innocent.  *shrug*  who knows though.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 10:06:53] - aba: I wouldn't think Nagin would be re-elected but I also didn't think Marion Barry would ever get re-elected either. -Paul

[2006-04-11 10:06:11] - aba: Ah, ok. So there probably isn't much sympathy since it seems like they're a bunch of jerks but the general feeling is that they are innocent? -Paul

[2006-04-11 10:00:25] - sam:  yeah, what mig said:  go to google, type in "a" and click on the "i'm feeling lucky" button.  ~a

[2006-04-11 10:00:02] - so until somebody games google to take "a" away from apple that's probably where it will go. - mi g

[2006-04-11 09:59:28] - sam:  it probably will.  basically what happens is that if you type in something in the url box that isn't in a url format, it will do a "i'm feeling lucky" search on google and take you to that page. - mig

[2006-04-11 09:55:59] - try typing a in the url box in firefox.  does it take you to www.apple.com? -sam

[2006-04-11 09:52:55] - i've always used the msi, it seems to work well. - mig

[2006-04-11 09:39:40] - sam:  i've tried both though i don't remember which one i liked better.  ~a

[2006-04-11 09:39:25] - sam:  either this exe or this msi depending on if you want to just use the exe installer or the msi installer.  ~a

[2006-04-11 09:30:46] - yeah it is weird, especially if there were no gaffes in either the initial examination and the dna testing.  - mig

[2006-04-11 09:26:23] - aba:  no it's not an excuse, just a suggestion that it be taken into perspective.  - mig

[2006-04-11 09:20:17] - "Nifong said March 28 that he was convinced a rape occurred, citing testimony from a nurse who examined the woman that she had "injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally," according to a search warrant."  this is still unexplained.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 09:15:08] - i think the line has to be drawn between underage drinking that happens behind closed doors and doesn't disturb anyone and underage drinking that causes this sort of behaviour.  and i think it's unacceptable to look the other way because they are stellar athletes.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 09:14:00] - mig:  i don't think that other peoples' bad behaviour should be an excuse for oneself's bad behaviour.  when there were repeated complaints from their neighbours and other students of racial remarks and underage drinking (plus noise complaints, public urination, etc), i think the coach is obligated to take some kind of action.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 09:13:06] - and any student who gets "outraged" at underage drinking is almost certainly a hypocrite. - mig

[2006-04-11 09:10:52] - aba:  i guess because it's duke the impression might be different, but i don't see how this mischief the lacrosse team (minus the rape accusation) got into is really any diffrent than most college sports teams in the country. - mig

[2006-04-11 09:04:09] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4898188.stm  new orleans begins voting in mayoral elections.  do people think ray nagin will be re-elected?  -  aba

[2006-04-11 09:00:49] - aba: i was looking at the pdf version of the duke chronicles front page and it said 101 years -sam

[2006-04-11 08:59:45] - paul:  i feel like most people think the players are innocent of the rape, but really messed up in other ways.  i think the line from the email that was published really shocked and horrified people.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 08:56:42] - mig:  i really have my doubts about evidence like that because electronic time stamping is so easy to fake.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 08:56:09] - sam:  i wasn't here last year, so i have no idea when the 100 year anniversary was.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 08:55:52] - http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/26-0&fp=443be9f13f73b379&ei=r6o7RLyBE83caP_Y9LgO&url=http%3A//www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/14305777.htm also they have photos of her shown with injuries that were timestampped before her arrival at the lacrosse team's party. - mig

[2006-04-11 08:54:50] - well, even if the rape charge are false, there is tons of evidence that they made racist comments and there was underage drinking.  there was also continued complaints from the neighbourhood about the house the lacrosse kids lived in.  i think this has just brought to light how he was a great lacrosse coach but failed to keep his players in line.  -  aba

[2006-04-11 08:53:19] - well if anything i feel bad for the coach because he was fired because of this whole thing, which sucks for him since he really couldn't have done anything about this whole mess. - mig

[2006-04-11 08:41:55] - aba: I'm not surprised at all, and I hope this exonerates them instead of what is more likely, spreading the fuel of controversy and conspiracy -- Xpovos

[2006-04-11 07:33:53] - aba: was last year duke chronicles' 100 year anniversary? -sam

[2006-04-10 22:56:23] - aba: I've been keeping an eye on the investigation since I find the situation interesting. I guess it's early, but do you have any idea what the feeling on the Duke campus is? Do most people believe the players or the dancer? -Paul

[2006-04-10 18:52:37] - DNA test results come back negative - http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/04/10/News/Dna-Test.Results.Reveal.No.Matches.For.Members.On.The.Mens.Lacrosse.Team-1842473.  -  aba

[2006-04-10 17:54:33] - a: what am I supposed to download? http://www.mirrorgeek.com/apache.org/httpd/ -sam

[2006-04-10 17:52:54] - a: but i'll try apache http server -sam

[2006-04-10 17:34:14] - a: but does iis still have security problems? -sam

[2006-04-10 17:33:14] - a:  i deal with asp and iis a lot. at work -sam

[2006-04-10 17:31:40] - a: i want to practice writing asp and asp.net so i'm running iis -sam

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