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[2007-02-08 16:11:31] - for those of you who haven't heard yet ~a
[2007-02-08 15:56:56] - right in between "I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)" by Whitney Houston and "It's A Sin" by Pet Shop Boys - aaron
[2007-02-08 15:56:29] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trekkin%27 star Trekkin' was the UK #1 single for 2 weeks back in 1987? i had no idea - aaron
[2007-02-08 13:22:04] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/17/AR2007011701638.html washington post to start printing The Onion in the DC area - aaron
[2007-02-08 12:13:43] - gurkie: Ah, the reboot. The mystical magic healing salve of the Windows world. -- Xpovos
[2007-02-08 12:12:48] - I need more stock market days like today. -- Xpovos
[2007-02-08 12:03:13] - a: i just thought it was funny cause I can SEE the my documents folder on my desktop... but when I try to open it it says it cant find it... I rebooted and it works now ~gurkie
[2007-02-08 11:55:48] - a: I don't use it either. It's bad, though, because pretty it's used as a default by pretty much every program developed for Windows, particularly if developed by Microsoft. In fact, it causes system errors for there not to be a "My Documents" folder. If you delete it, it makes you designate a new folder as the "My Documents" folder, though it retains the old name. -- X
[2007-02-08 11:47:56] - I'll be there - vinnie
[2007-02-08 11:43:52] - gurkie: is that bad? i don't use the my documents folder. ~a
[2007-02-08 11:43:19] - aaron: k. ~a
[2007-02-08 11:32:16] - ddr_people: sfm today? - aaron
[2007-02-08 10:42:34] - when double clicking My Documents i got a great lil error msg "The My Documents folder could not be found." ~gurkie
[2007-02-07 20:49:16] - a: Heh, I didn't vandalize it. I was using it as a reference to find something else and I found those quotes instead. -Paul
[2007-02-07 19:20:26] - paul: you vandalized wikipedia?
btw, someone fixed your vandalism, you should have posted this link: http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back&oldid=396089 ~a[2007-02-07 16:44:29] - amy: what about when you're using vi to edit some source code, and you suddenly want to copy the line numbers into a spreadsheet... as... row headers - aaron
[2007-02-07 15:33:18] - a: yay i am not the only one who thinks the highlighting rectangle is annoying .D -amy
[2007-02-07 14:03:03] - Dave: Nah, I always want my teams to try to win. First of all, the draft is a very inexact science. Secondly, you aren't even assured of getting the #1 pick if you have the worst record. -Paul
[2007-02-07 13:29:11] - paul: are you voting for the celtics to lose like the SG is? -dave
[2007-02-07 12:56:26] - http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/02/07/nyc.ipod.reut/index.html New York may ban iPods while crossing the street - aaron
[2007-02-07 11:57:57] - title: ??? ~a
[2007-02-07 10:37:04] - Paul: I am in hiding and I dont want any stalkers to figure out where I live... Cause g&a is obv me... Actually I just dont want others to move I dont care about being found... ~gurkie
[2007-02-07 10:25:17] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070206-8782.html apple would switch to drm-free music if labels agreed -dave
[2007-02-07 10:20:13] - Man, my stocks would be doing so well today if it weren't for VFC. Stupid reduced guidance for 2007. What about beating expectations for the fourth quarter? *Grumble* -Paul
[2007-02-07 09:38:40] - Gurkie: Why don't you want to be able to be found? -Paul
[2007-02-07 09:24:08] - a: as im the only one who bought (in that area) can someone else maybe move? actually i just thought about that i dont mind if its hard to find me on gmaps NOBODY MOVE! ~gurkie
[2007-02-07 09:23:03] - http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back Look at the Yoda quotes.
-Paul[2007-02-07 06:49:56] - a: for copying ascii art, duhhh - aaron
[2007-02-07 06:49:42] - amy: activate "quick edit" if you don't like the way highlighting works - aaron
[2007-02-06 22:42:51] - ?!?!why the HELL would i want to highlight a rectangle?!?! ~a
[2007-02-06 22:42:23] - HAH! i HATE that. yes yes, linux and putty do THAT the same way, thank god. ~a
[2007-02-06 20:14:57] - ...highlighting to the end and beginning of each line that you pass. it just seems totally idiotic to me. it's been a long time since i've been on a linux machine, but i know that at least putty doesn't do that. -amy
[2007-02-06 20:14:07] - a: well, it's dos. i guess dos isn't that much different from unix. there are just little things that annoy me about it. like how when you highlight, well first of all you have to select a menu option in order to be able to highlight at all, but then when you highlight, it makes a rectangle over whatever area you drag your cursor over, rather than...
[2007-02-06 20:06:04] - amy: the command line mysql in a dos prompt as opposed to the command line mysql in a unix prompt? i don't think i've ever used the command line mysql in a dos prompt. what's worse about it? ~a
[2007-02-06 20:05:05] - gurkie: move. ~a
[2007-02-06 20:05:00] - paul: no. ~a
[2007-02-06 19:05:39] - also can i just say that command line mysql in a dos prompt blows. -amy
[2007-02-06 19:03:51] - i guess that is a major drawback of independent contracting. -amy
[2007-02-06 19:03:41] - a: i guess i'm just not that comfortable in this role of the administration... choosing what software to use, and installing and setting it all up. i can install and set it up fine, if nothing goes wrong. but i don't know these products inside and out, and i don't know what the potential risks are, and what i need to do to avoid problems. -amy
[2007-02-06 18:55:34] - a: its so sad... its hard to find g&a cause mj and v&a cover us up!!! Waaah! ~gurkie
[2007-02-06 17:15:42] - a: Aren't you making a generalization about the rants that I like? -Paul
[2007-02-06 17:08:06] - amy: i guess i'm only agreeing with you. ~a
[2007-02-06 17:07:53] - amy: and it introduces a serious security concern for your clients. it might be best (or maybe NOT depending on your specific situation) to host a server that's running mysql and php. ~a
[2007-02-06 17:02:04] - a: i was trying to avoid using it, but for a stupid reason. it's not necessarily a problem to install and run mysql at the client site, but every additional thing i install introduces another level of risk and potential problem. -amy
[2007-02-06 16:58:50] - in my case, i am running mysql on the client machine. but i'm mostly dealing with the theoretical when it comes to my finished product. ~a
[2007-02-06 16:58:14] - amy: i didn't know you were deciding whether to use mysql or not. i'm guessing you're saying that you don't want to run mysql on the client machine? ~a
[2007-02-06 16:47:35] - so i gave up and decided to use mysql after all. it's stupid to generate the html document straight from the user input. what happens if they want to edit their input and stuff? i'm not storing it all in little HTML snippets to open up and overwrite over and over again. blah. -amy
[2007-02-06 16:13:53] - paul: "This is a subtle way of saying Macs are cool." subtle? "Of course, that hasn't stopped me slagging off Mac owners, with a series of sweeping generalisations" what a very accurate summation. and it also explains why you liked the rant. oh, and i think he missed "vacuous" when describing his generalizations. i mean, come on, one button mouse jokes? ~a
[2007-02-06 15:53:57] - aaron: fixed ~a
[2007-02-06 15:42:50] - paul: you never do that? ~a
[2007-02-06 15:42:47] - aaron: i also need to move miguel. ~a
[2007-02-06 15:41:12] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/06/AR2007020600106.html "wore diapers so she did not have to stop for bathroom breaks". -Paul
[2007-02-06 15:01:39] - a: http://www.aporter.org/friendsgmap/ move me in with gc - aaron
[2007-02-06 13:02:39] - http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm an interesting article on global warming. - mig
[2007-02-06 12:20:34] - what's a bit sickening is that this video was withheld as "secret" by the government, not because of any sensitive information but just to avoid the incredible embarassment of releasing what's on it. justice and accontability be damned. - mig
[2007-02-06 12:18:58] - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/ap_on_re_eu/britain_friendly_fire_video pretty disturbing friendly fire incident caught on tape to be released by usgov. - mig
[2007-02-06 11:40:59] - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html An amusing anti-mac rant. -Paul
[2007-02-06 07:43:24] - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070204&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2 hehe, I like the "what would Borat think" ratings of the parties -dave
[2007-02-05 16:16:33] - oldtitle: heh. ~a
[2007-02-05 14:05:39] - aaron: considering the nature of the article, i'm surprised it's that low
i've seen some pretty innocuous articles get temporarily semiprotected (semiprotected means that non-logged in people cannot edit the article while it's semiprotected) ~a[2007-02-05 13:39:08] - a: wow xenu's wikipedia page gets vandalized a lot - aaron
[2007-02-05 13:23:55] - aaron: information about xenu used to be supersecret (not so much anymore). i think the scientologists have given up on some stuff. but it looks like their still suing for some stuff. ~a
[2007-02-05 12:07:19] - i remember one of my coworkers telling me about how he had fled to canada, apparently you don't mess with scientologists - aaron
[2007-02-05 12:06:54] - http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/04/scientology-fugitive-arrested/ a guy who posted an (arguably) anti-scientology message on usenet 7 years ago was finally arrested for it recently - aaron
[2007-02-02 18:01:54] - amy: i don't like writing js either. which is why i think google web toolkit is really cool. it lets you program javascript (and ajax) by writing java that is then compiled into javascript. ~a
[2007-02-02 14:47:29] - a: yeah, even if it were possible to do in js, i probably still wouldn't do it .p -amy
[2007-02-02 09:55:28] - http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Gaming_Ground.aspx Not so much a code WTF, which makes it more accessable. Truly, this is a business managment WTF -- Xpovos
[2007-02-01 17:33:39] - amy: nope. use php
~a[2007-02-01 17:01:57] - a: i suppose it might. it's not my favorite language in the world... anyway we are using the user input to generate documents. user input --> html files stored on the local computer. could js do it? -amy
[2007-02-01 16:50:32] - amy: would javascript do the trick? ajax has brought javascript back to life. ~a
[2007-02-01 16:47:45] - a/xpovos: and yeah, it's HTML with forms. user input. straight HTML not enough. -amy
[2007-02-01 16:46:58] - a: ah, it just said on the lighty page some famous websites that use it. publicity and all. -amy
[2007-02-01 16:36:03] - Xpovos: Interesting looking stock, I will keep an eye on it. -Paul
[2007-02-01 16:02:51] - aaron: i'm feeling sick, but i'll come anyways. maybe i'll infect you! ~a
[2007-02-01 15:58:57] - I'm gonna skip again.
I'm just feeling so tired lately - vinnie[2007-02-01 15:51:22] - aaron: k. ~a
[2007-02-01 15:44:52] - ddr_people: nvcc? - aaron
[2007-02-01 14:57:51] - Stock I am watching: MMM (3M). Solid product line, profitable, currently taking a beating for 'missing expectations' but increadibly sound ratios and a dividend history. I think I'll buy some when I sense this has bottomed out a little. -- Xpovos
[2007-02-01 14:40:11] - paul: i'm beginning to think that being mentally challenged is now a requirement for holding public office. - mig
[2007-02-01 14:21:18] - mig: This is the article talking about the passing of that resolution. "[N]early unanimous" http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=SenateMajorityNews&id=29083&v=Article -- Xpovos
[2007-02-01 14:17:21] - http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/01/boston.bombscare/ I assume people have heard about the Aqua Teen Hunger Force "bomb scare" story? -Paul
[2007-02-01 14:08:26] - http://www.mainesenate.org/mitchell/realid.htm state of maine rejects a national id. - mig
[2007-02-01 12:46:13] - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16922582 Personal savings hits lowest rate since middle of Great Depression -- Xpovos
[2007-02-01 12:45:52] - amy: ah, you mean upload.wikimedia.org. not many people use upload.wikimedia.org directly
~a[2007-02-01 12:40:53] - (i know i talk about wikipedia too often but) wikipedia uses the php/mysql hammer. so . . . we know it can scale well. ~a
[2007-01-31 19:21:57] - a: Personally, since I picked up the PHP/MySQL hammer, pretty much every problem has looked like a nail... -- Xpovos
[2007-01-31 18:18:12] - xpovos: i assumed she needed some dynamic content, so straight html would not have worked. but you're right, depending on the requirements, straight html OR html+javascript(ECMAScript) might do the trick. ~a
[2007-01-31 18:17:09] - a: Roger. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-31 18:15:03] - xpovos: well i shouldn't have said there is no db. i should have said there is no relational db. i use a flatfile format with a simple indexing system which (only) works well for small one-man projects like the mb. ~a
[2007-01-31 18:04:02] - a: Similarly, either straight HTML or if you really need fancy parsing, probably perl. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-31 18:03:30] - a: What do you store the text in? -- Xpovos
[2007-01-31 16:12:55] - what would you suggest instead of php? ~a
[2007-01-31 16:12:34] - xpovos: why not? the message board is in php without a db
~a[2007-01-31 15:25:47] - amy: Why use php if there's no DB? -- Xpovos
[2007-01-31 15:08:33] - amy: wikipedia uses it? wikipedia uses apache: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikimedia-servers-2006-05-09.svg although they might use both. ~a
[2007-01-31 14:14:36] - actually, now i am looking at this lighttpd. this is pretty cool, i didn't know youtube and wiki use it. i've never heard of it. (not that i am an expert on these things, anyway) -amy
[2007-01-31 14:11:29] - xmiga: thanks for answers. i guess i will look into apache, then. -amy
[2007-01-31 13:04:22] - amy: Apache, I'm most familiar with it, but it does require some ugly tweaks while running on a Windows platform. The buffers tended to overflow, so if I ran lots of big scripts it would crash. For individual purposes, it shouldn't matter much, but I'm sure something else is better. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-31 12:38:59] - i'd go with apache. i've tried using tomcat with php but it's too much trouble than it's worth. - mig
[2007-01-31 12:21:07] - amy: but to answer your question: i don't know, i've only used apache extensively. if you want something extremely lightweight, then i've used lighttpd before. it works pretty well and it's far simpler than apache (yes, it supports php). ~a
[2007-01-31 12:19:35] - amy: in other words, i want the browser on the client's machine to access the php files directly (using some embedded webserver or something). ~a
[2007-01-31 12:07:55] - amy: i have an extra requirement that you probably don't have, and that is that i don't want to open any ports that people can use to attack the php application. ~a
[2007-01-31 12:07:18] - amy: i've been trying to solve a simmilar problem for something i've been working on at home. ~a
[2007-01-31 11:32:38] - 'cause i'm writing this application in PHP and we want to install it locally on the client's machine, so that they can open it up in a browser from that same machine. -amy
[2007-01-31 11:31:53] - anybody: if you were running windows and you wanted to run PHP but you didn't need really anything else (no DB or java or anything), what would you install? apache, or tomcat, or NOTA, something else? -amy
[2007-01-30 17:15:01] - a: it is roger but he doesnt know who wrote the article or where they got the pic of him... he showed me it ... ~gurkie
[2007-01-30 17:08:54] - i guess not. unless he changed his name to ben. ~a
[2007-01-30 17:06:49] - is it really roger? ~a
[2007-01-30 17:06:38] - aaron: unicode gets encoded in over http as "&", then a "#", then decimal digits for the unicode value, then a ";". that's a lot, dude. ~a
[2007-01-30 16:51:52] - look its roger
[2007-01-30 14:31:21] - One thing the stocks I pick have always been is volatile. But the past three days they've moved hardly at all, either day to day or even intra-day. Fascinating. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-30 14:15:48] - hehe the title length limit is super short if you use unicode - aaron
[2007-01-30 12:28:50] - a: yes, and that particular password wasn't on the page anyways, the SA just assumed it would be - aaron
[2007-01-30 12:11:55] - a: Damn, I should've been able to get that. I knew Beijing was the north capitol and I should've remembered it was university and not high school. -Paul
[2007-01-30 11:43:00] - paul: beijing (north capital) university (big school aka university) ~a
[2007-01-30 11:42:24] - paul: close. ~a
[2007-01-30 11:35:42] - North Capitol High School? -Paul
[2007-01-30 10:57:37] - 北京大学
[2007-01-30 10:51:31] - oh . . . you weren't the only editor of the page? ~a
[2007-01-30 10:50:34] - aaron: haha. why did you ask for the password? why didn't you just check your wiki page? ~a
[2007-01-30 10:49:01] - i just saw a developer walking around with a printout of the wiki page, i remember wondering whether i would get yelled at for creating the page the first time - aaron
[2007-01-30 10:48:03] - about 8 months ago i secretly started putting all of the system passwords i needed on a wiki page on our intranet. i was worried about the sysadmins finding out and then the other day one of them actually directed me to the page when i asked for a password
- aaron[2007-01-30 10:15:16] - xpovos: not at the time, no.
~a[2007-01-30 08:56:12] - dave: I appreciate it. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-30 08:56:04] - http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf -- Xpovos
[2007-01-30 08:07:51] - xpovos: yeah, i always feel bad when i'm looking for replies from people and no one says anything though, hence my comment ^_^ -dave
[2007-01-30 01:58:28] - heh. he-man (wp) "Penny Arcade satirizes Wikipedia with a hypothetical scenario of Skeletor vandalizing this article" oh no! recursion! ~a
[2007-01-29 22:00:13] - dave: I really didn't expect any responses. Most people who read this are gainfully employed already for a larger sum of money. And even for the few in other circumstances, the work environment would probably be the nail in the coffin. But I figured I should ask around. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-29 21:04:03] - aaron: it's a real person: chacha (wp) ~a
[2007-01-29 17:15:19] - my guide did a pretty good job, i don't think it's an A.I.... maybe it is an A.I but i don't want to play with it just in case! - aaron
[2007-01-29 17:14:26] - http://www.chacha.com/ how odd. you hit "search with guide" and someone does your search with you. you keep telling them what you want and they try to help you search for it - aaron
[2007-01-29 17:07:54] - http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/28/free.ride.ap/index.html uncle sam spoils dream trip to space - aaron
[2007-01-29 15:57:47] - xpovos: I'm not at present -dave
[2007-01-29 15:19:23] - Is anyone looking for a job? It's not thrilling, but the pay would be OK (probably 35-40K) with a security clearance. One of my co-workers has put in his notice (going for a higher paying job) and the boss asked me if I knew anyone looking. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-29 15:17:47] - a: Aha, so I'm precisely the opposite of prescient. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-29 14:51:25] -
~a[2007-01-29 14:51:19] - xpovos: i was referring to the previous title (which was either quoting me or mocking me) ~a
[2007-01-29 14:37:04] - dave: Seriously? Am I prescient or something? -- Xpovos
[2007-01-29 14:36:39] - a: I don't think so. Someone took my post earlier where I was expressing displeasure at how my employee benefits department was treating me and turned it in to a title. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-29 13:48:44] - an article -dave
[2007-01-29 13:48:37] - a: it's from in article in Barrons about the State of the Union Address -dave
[2007-01-29 12:33:40] - title: are you mocking me? ~a
[2007-01-29 12:31:55] - i mean, i've spent far more time to ammuse far fewer people. ~a
[2007-01-29 12:31:06] - gurkie: seems like something i would do. ~a
[2007-01-29 11:58:17] - a: hehe, sorry... i guess i was surprised that mult pics like that are out there... i mean who takes the time to make that sort of thing? ~gurkie
[2007-01-29 07:24:11] - a: Some people have too much time on their hands. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-29 01:28:22] - lrud ←→↑↓
[2007-01-28 14:59:57] - gurkie: i'm surprised to hear you say that. i don't browse the internet very often so i don't come up with very much crazy shit. . . . those links i found on slashdot. ~a
[2007-01-28 13:33:51] - a: where in the world do you come up with this stuff? ~gurkie
[2007-01-28 12:40:37] - nsfw and nsfw. they're links to google maps
(and they're both borderline sfw/nsfw) ~a[2007-01-27 19:59:07] - everybody: i finally bought the matrix!!!
~a[2007-01-27 12:46:13] - i mean . . . what's it from? ~a
[2007-01-27 12:45:50] - dave: what is that regarding? ~a
[2007-01-27 08:28:45] - "We instinctively recoil whenever we hear someone...talk about leveling the playing field. For you can bet your bottom dollar that he inevitably proposes doing so not by raising that part of the playing field that's depressed, but by lowering that part that's barely above water" -dave
[2007-01-26 16:44:52] - beep boop bloop beep
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~a[2007-01-26 11:38:45] - a:
-Paul[2007-01-26 11:37:54] - hmph. ~a
[2007-01-26 11:26:54] - a: Ok, related but having little to do with the point that I was making. -Paul
[2007-01-26 11:06:53] - it was related. ~a
[2007-01-26 10:09:15] - a: Ok, I was confused because you directed your non-related comment at me.
-Paul[2007-01-26 09:01:24] - a: buying a PS3 and buying an HD-DVD player is generally cheaper atm than buying a hybrid player -dave
[2007-01-26 09:00:31] - mig: i dunno where i stand on that issue, i was just more bemoaning the fact that i'm so old compared to them -dave
[2007-01-26 08:43:17] - dave: i know, isn't it so horrible that the NBA let's young players in? - mig
[2007-01-26 08:04:17] - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16812267/ -- Xpovos
[2007-01-26 07:39:19] - man, Lebron James is 22, Gilbert Arenas is 25, Tony Parker is 24, yeesh -dave
[2007-01-25 20:44:25] - wow, i didn't realize they were already selling bd writers. ~a
[2007-01-25 20:39:20] - i think the solution to the format wars isn't a hybrid player. the solution is to buy both players.
~a[2007-01-25 20:38:36] - by the end of 2006, here are the sales info via slashdot: 425k bluray players (95% of those players were built into ps3s), 270k hddvd players (55% of those player were addons to the xbox360). pretty low numbers, not even a million total? that's like 00.01% of the population. ~a
[2007-01-25 19:55:39] - paul: i wasn't missing your point. i just wasn't responding to your point. i.e. i didn't necessarily disagree. ~a
[2007-01-25 18:40:12] - Xpovos: Welcome to the world of, "Fuck you!" -- EBO
[2007-01-25 17:33:21] - a: Right, but I think you're missing my point. My point isn't that wiki editors are unreasonable. My point is that one person might not be able to make a hugely negative difference because the other people will overrule him. -Paul
[2007-01-25 16:16:06] - paul: i always accept stuff that has a reliable source even if i strongly disagree with it. you'd be surprised at how few things i disagree with that i read on wikipedia that actually has a reliable source. ~a
[2007-01-25 16:11:14] - aaron: where ddr_people = nobody?
~a[2007-01-25 15:44:58] - a: from what i gathered from the article, MS didn't actually pay the guy, and the guy never edited anything. MS had just offered to pay him to do it, no one had done anything yet -dave
[2007-01-25 15:35:31] - "Bliss writes a neat log of all its actions to /tmp/.bliss and even has a --bliss-uninfect-files-please command line option that actually does what it promises." what a wussy virus! - aaron
[2007-01-25 15:35:06] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses - aaron
[2007-01-25 14:53:25] - ddr_people: sorry, no ddr for me, i am getting a new car stereo installed today - aaron
[2007-01-25 14:36:46] - aaron: do you mind if i skip too? i went to bed at 3:45 last night
~a[2007-01-25 14:18:36] - a: I'm not saying that the editors of wikipedia necessarily have an anti-MS bias, what I'm saying is that the editors outnumber this lone guy so it's not like he's going to be able to get away with anything unless he writes something that he can convince the majority of others to accept. -Paul
[2007-01-25 14:17:34] - a: If people won't let their own biases into the article, then what harm is there in letting this guy edit the article? -Paul
[2007-01-25 14:09:35] - aaron/a: I'm not doing DDR today. I have a fuckton of work - vinnie
[2007-01-25 14:02:31] - maybe the lone editor (paid by microsoft) was the only one here with bad faith editing. ~a
[2007-01-25 14:01:45] - paul: 1. the theory is that people won't let their own biases into the article (i fight against my biases when editing wikipedia). 2. you're assuming that there's an anti-ms bias among the editors of wikipedia? ~a
[2007-01-25 13:27:27] - Aaron: Yeah, there are a lot of things about our justice system which seems a little odd. -Paul
[2007-01-25 12:55:45] - it also seems stupid that somebody on the jury might have seen an episode of law and order where someone was sentenced for this crime and received a 10-year sentence so they're more educated than they're supposed to be.... or that maybe the TV show was wrong so they're basing their decision on something totally inaccurate - aaron
[2007-01-25 12:54:41] - i didn't realize the jury was uninformed of the sentences when they were deciding guilt. that seems like a pretty important thing to know - aaron
[2007-01-25 12:50:47] - "Barker thinks five years is fair for receiving oral sex from a schoolmate"
- aaron[2007-01-25 12:02:30] - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson Story about a kid serving a ten year jail term for consensual sex. -Paul
[2007-01-25 11:31:50] - Paul: microcaps are extremely volatile. All it takes is one investor deciding to purchase a large number of shares at the low price to drive things up for a few days. If there's real momentum it'll level out and then head upwards at a slower pace. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-25 11:10:46] - One of my biggest mistakes, a stock which was worth about half a cent per share a couple of days ago, is suddenly worth three cents are share today. wtf? -Paul
[2007-01-25 10:59:41] - As far as I can tell, wikipedia pretty much operates by majority rule, so if the majority think that these new changes are wrong, then they aren't going to stick around. -Paul
[2007-01-25 10:58:42] - It's interesting, because I wonder if the money is well spent. Assuming that there is some anti-MS bias on wikipedia, what is one lone guy going to be able to do about it? -Paul
[2007-01-25 10:39:38] - dave: i didn't propose that it was "pr junk". i proposed that it was bias (without giving specifics, because i haven't read the article nor the changes). ~a
[2007-01-25 10:35:17] - a: yeah, i dunno what they were asking for. But I tend to think it wasn't just PR junk, because if so, there's no way a random third party editor they pay is going to put that stuff in if they're not going to review it -dave
[2007-01-25 10:34:44] - again, there's some prior history here of MS doing stuff like this, so I think people are pretty justified of skepticism of MS's "claims". - mig
[2007-01-25 10:33:05] - dave: yeah, i have to ask, what were the "errors". If they complained to wikipedia and their "corrections" were the typical PR damage control, bullshit, then wikipedia was probably well within their rights to just ignore it. - mig
[2007-01-25 09:44:07] - dave: are you sure they were "errors"? maybe the wikipedia community was ignoring the bias (and not errors) that microsoft was trying to introduce. ~a
[2007-01-25 08:02:02] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070124-8696.html update on vista oem prices. $99 home basic, $119 home premium, $149 business, $199 Ultimate -dave
[2007-01-25 07:56:21] - so it's true that maybe they could have tried something further to get it done, but the path they took seems very reasonable to me. -dave
[2007-01-25 07:55:32] - a: what really makes me even more on the MS side is that the article said that they tried to flag errors to wiki editors, but no one did anything. And then they offered to let the writer (that they were going to pay) edit the stuff without any review from them -dave
[2007-01-25 07:52:39] - a: it's true that you're the most biased source, but it's also true that you're the person who knows the situation the best -dave
[2007-01-25 07:52:09] - a: it's like someone writing a biography of you and getting something wrong, or not understanding what you were thinking at the time etc - and then you being blocked from trying to set the record straight -dave
[2007-01-25 07:51:04] - a: yeah, i understand wikipedia's rules. I'm just saying that it seems sad that someone can't stand up for themselves. -dave
[2007-01-24 20:31:05] - Paul: No. It's a stock I'm ashamed to own. I didn't do due dilligence before purchasing. And then it tanked so fast I couldn't get rid of it without a huge loss, so I'm stuck for a bit. Hence why I should probably sell now. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-24 18:23:43] - dave: WP:COI ~a
[2007-01-24 17:23:21] - Xpovos: RFMD? -Paul
[2007-01-24 15:24:12] - Woo! I'm accustomed to seeing my stocks go down big on no news. I'll take a 13% jump for one of my underperformers on no news... I should probably dump it now and eat the loss before it loses all that momentum again. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-24 14:58:08] - a lot of people haven't forgotten the numerous astroturfing incidents, so stuff like this that seems similar, even if it really isn't all that bad will draw quite a bit of ire from people. - mig
[2007-01-24 14:43:31] - dave: maybe not, but it's still perceived a bit as kind of shady, especially since this isn't the first time MS has been found to be doing this sort of thing in a much more dubious manner. - mig
[2007-01-24 14:40:13] - Xpovos: Yeah, I kept on telling myself "it will go back up". In fact, that's still what I'm telling myself.
-Paul[2007-01-24 14:04:25] - http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/01/24/microsoft.wikipedia.ap/index.html i dunno, i don't really have a problem with MS doing this -dave
[2007-01-24 10:45:47] - Paul: Yeah. It's a difficult thing. I mean it goes up 100%, but you feel that it's a good company so it can surely go higher, and you over-extend... -- Xpovos
[2007-01-24 10:22:31] - Xpovos: So I'm pretty much furious with myself for not having sold at pretty much any point in the past year.
-Paul[2007-01-24 10:22:06] - Xpovos: Yeah, I'm a little overly frustrated right now because I've seen my best pick of all time (AMD, which I bought under $20 and watched it go over $40) go down below the price at which I bought it right now. -Paul
[2007-01-24 10:16:41] - Paul: At least you made some good choices. I don't think I have a single winner at this point. And I like my prospects on exactly one stock. The others I'm holding for some kind of rebound and plan to sell, or am going long on. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-24 10:11:12] - Dave: Yeah, I was blowing away the S&P500 at the end of 2005 (easily my best year, since I had something crazy like 100% growth) but 2006 brought me back down (stupid, stupid AMD). -Paul
[2007-01-24 10:02:16] - Paul: which isn't bad considering like 80-90% of active managers do not beat it -dave
[2007-01-24 10:01:51] - Paul: well, figuring from Jan 2004 to now, if you made 30% from then to now, you have almost exactly matched the S&P500 if you include dividend yields -dave
[2007-01-24 09:57:05] - Paul: three years ago? wow -dave
[2007-01-24 09:44:01] - Dave: I think around January of 2004. -Paul
[2007-01-24 09:38:33] - Paul: when did you get your scottrade account? -dave
[2007-01-24 09:38:09] - Paul: I would imagine so -dave
[2007-01-24 09:27:25] - Dave: I would much prefer if AMD were up today and tech in general was taking the hit.
-Paul[2007-01-24 09:26:52] - a: Yeah, I'm hoping that's the case with the stuff I own now (although I think I already missed the boat with AMD). -Paul
[2007-01-24 09:12:22] - aba: Just watch out for the pon farr, I imagine that would be a pain to deal wtih. -Paul
[2007-01-24 09:11:33] - Xpovos: The thing which is really annoying me is that 2006 was a bad year (I think I was down overall) and AMD specifically makes my heart cry. -Paul
[2007-01-24 09:11:03] - Xpovos: Well, since I got my scottrade account, I think I'm up around 30% so I'm not doing too bad overall. -Paul
[2007-01-24 08:41:04] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070123-8680.html Intel's job page reveals GPU plans -dave
[2007-01-24 08:21:09] - xpovos: one thing to keep in mind is that oftentimes major players will sustain a stock price above their options price if they can -dave
[2007-01-24 08:20:36] - Paul: well, AMD has been hit today, but it looks like Tech in general is going up, so maybe that will offset it some -dave
[2007-01-24 08:19:10] - xpovos: yeah, and good thing i didn't sell anymore for this month. Ouch for AMD -dave
[2007-01-23 21:42:51] - paul: keep in mind that most people (yourself included?) sell stuff that's gone up and hold on to things that have gone down (you know, buy low sell high). you can be making tons of money and still consistantly own stuff that as a total come to a loss. ~a
[2007-01-23 21:26:11] - paul: hm. good idea. - aba
[2007-01-23 19:42:58] - Heh, Dave's AMD option held out just long enough. Monday's stock dump pushed AMD below 17.50 for a decent portion of the day. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-23 19:19:52] - Paul: Are you down (percentage wise) as much as me? You're likely down more than I am absolutely just because of magnitude issues. % loss since I opened my Scottrade acount: 23.48 -- Xpovos
[2007-01-23 18:00:18] - a: Um, counting stuff I've bought and sold in the past, yes. Just counting the stuff I own now, no. -Paul
[2007-01-23 17:23:12] - paul: i know the feeling. are you still up overall? ~a
[2007-01-23 17:15:21] - God, I'm so close to just selling all my stocks now and just swearing off the stock market forever. -Paul
[2007-01-23 16:27:29] - that would be so sweet. ~a
[2007-01-23 16:02:06] - aba: Are you going to raise your kids as Vulcans?
-Paul[2007-01-23 15:19:43] - a: if your numbers are not inflation adjusted, it's not that hard to imagine 5% per year inflation on average - in which case, our national debt would be exactly the same as it is now adjusting for inflation -dave
[2007-01-23 15:10:34] - dave: that doesn't matter. even if, when you die, you have $6 million in us savings bonds . . . that's $6M compared to the $6B that you "owe" via public debt. ~a
[2007-01-23 14:59:19] - aba: in fact, i think more often than not, logic and reasoning could be construed as being opposed to morals/ethics -dave
[2007-01-23 14:57:15] - aba: Unfortunately, kids tend to be pretty irrational... at least during a lot of the early years. There's just not a large enough knowledge base to be able to deal with a lot of the logical consequences we already understand so well now that we've experienced them first-hand. -- Xpovos
[2007-01-23 14:57:14] - aba: <shrug> mayhaps. but you get my point. logic and reasoning are not the entire answer to making sure someone has morals, or is humane etc -dave
[2007-01-23 14:55:51] - dave: you're assuming that execution is logically ok.
- aba[2007-01-23 14:55:24] - aba: like we spend a fortune trying to make the guy's last few minutes of life less painful when we could use the same amount of money to vastly improve someone else's life for years and years -dave
[2007-01-23 14:55:13] - dave: you
[2007-01-23 14:53:56] - aba: like logically, if we execute someone, we should just shoot them, or cut off their head. But we try to do it humanely because we care about them as fellow human beings etc. -dave
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