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[2007-08-21 14:10:08] - case in point, you can look at Mike Tyson.  Now, he's maligned for a lot of stuff, but no one hardly ever talks about his rape conviction anymore. - mig

[2007-08-21 13:35:25] - a: well, considering he was one of the top 10 rated, and he wasn't actually all THAT good, that may be true -dave

[2007-08-21 13:32:56] - my coworker says that vic is the most overrated player in the nfl.  ~a

[2007-08-21 13:19:16] - a: altho for me personally, i probably don't care half so much about the dogfighting as most others do -dave

[2007-08-21 13:18:48] - a: part of it might be that I wouldn't be so sure he raped someone vs I was pretty sure he was involved in the dogfighting -dave

[2007-08-21 13:18:14] - a: well, it certainly depends on the specific evidence, but if all you're doing is comparing the PR dmg to being accused of rape vs accused of accused of killing dogs by strangling, drowning, and electrocuting them, I'd guess the rape would be better -dave

[2007-08-21 13:09:14] - paul:  could be that gun control is just an ineffective policy ..... just a thought. - mig

[2007-08-21 12:35:15] - a: The argument is that they're clearly -not- better but because this is such a man bites dog kind of story, the sensationalism made it worse. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-21 12:27:24] - though in both cases you often have much less evidence than was found at the vic residence.  ~a

[2007-08-21 12:26:35] - dave:  to play devil's advocate (or angel's advocate in this case) i doubt rape or attempted murder would be better.  ~a

[2007-08-21 12:08:14] - Paul: Don't forget Rae Carruth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rae_Carruth -- Xpovos

[2007-08-21 11:56:03] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis_%28football_player%29#Murder_charges The murder charges against Ray Lewis. -Paul

[2007-08-21 11:54:13] - Dave: I think somebody made that point as well. He would've been better off being accused of rape (like Kobe). -Paul

[2007-08-21 11:53:47] - Out of 10,000 guns seized in Virginia, Maryland and the district, less than half came from Virginia? That seems low considering that guns are illegal in the district, I think. -Paul

[2007-08-21 11:52:57] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082002010.html?hpid=topnews I'm a little confused, it seems like most of the actual numbers in this article run counter to the point it's trying to make. -Paul

[2007-08-21 11:04:23] - paul: or rape, amazingly that probably would have been better -dave

[2007-08-21 10:56:28] - what happens when you put sam and dave in a room together: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_&_Dave - vinnie

[2007-08-21 10:54:49] - a: But I get the feeling PETA is never going to forgive or forget. -Paul

[2007-08-21 10:54:37] - a: Because Ray Lewis was on trial for something like that (I admit it wasn't attempted murder, but it was pretty serious and I think it involved manslaughter) and now nobody remembers that. -Paul

[2007-08-21 10:49:22] - paul:  what makes you say that?  attempted murder is a pretty serious charge too.  ~a

[2007-08-21 10:22:18] - Dave: Yeah, like somebody else said, he probably would've been better off being accused of attempted murder than this whole mess with the dogs. -Paul

[2007-08-21 10:12:21] - paul: several articles have said that he might not be banned, but that no team would be likely to sign him -dave

[2007-08-21 08:42:53] - xpovos:  fair enough.  ~a

[2007-08-21 08:28:15] - a: I would qualify that not all the time when we play a large part in th extiction of a species is it a mistake.  We essentially made the smallpox virus extinct intentionally, and if virus is too non-life-like for you consider our efforts to eradicate malaria-bearing mosquito species. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-21 07:42:58] - pierce/aaron:  i know you're just joking but i disagree!  i think that we should be very concerned with extinct species especially the ones where we had a large part to play in their extinction.  how else are we expected to learn from our mistakes?  ~a

[2007-08-21 07:36:10] - pierce: lol you're right. it should come full circle. - aaron

[2007-08-21 02:41:17] - well, I guess that leaves us no choice.  we have to have a deathmatch between sam and dave to see who we agree with. - pierce

[2007-08-20 22:02:38] - title: by the way, I have a shirt that says "I agree with Sam."  I got it from GMU.  They had a Christian speaker named Sam and I believe the shirt was for promotional purpose.  -sam

[2007-08-20 20:48:25] - aaron: They're cute! - Kaleb

[2007-08-20 19:23:35] - why is "extinction" the opposite side of the conservation status gradient from "least concern"?  I would think that once a species is extinct, you can stop being concerned about it. - pierce

[2007-08-20 17:59:07] - Australian Green Tree Frog this article has a lot of pretty frog pictures in it - aaron

[2007-08-20 16:13:48] - xpovos: hey that's great info! thanks! .D -amy

[2007-08-20 15:32:04] - s/few weeks/eight days/  ~a

[2007-08-20 15:31:00] - Real worl scenario, that's much less likely because you can't get enough people to wear the shirts in a normal city, and even then, people are more dispersed. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 15:30:53] - aaron:  that addition was from 2004 and only lasted a few weeks (over a holiday).  i argue that the diff is fairly normal.  ~a

[2007-08-20 15:30:23] - a: I was refering to the campaign too, lots of grass roots advertising.  Probably the most effective part was the t-shirts.  My comment was that something like the t-shirt campaign requires a reasonably high percentage of the population to be wearing the t-shirt to generate sufficient interest.  A college campus is easier because the population is low and concentrated.

[2007-08-20 15:21:12] - a: Yeah, that's pretty much what I was talking about. -Paul

[2007-08-20 15:20:58] - Xpovos: Either way, sounds like he's pretty screwed. -Paul

[2007-08-20 15:18:58] - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill&diff=next&oldid=8931331 lol. has anybody heard of wikiwatch? this is good stuff - aaron

[2007-08-20 14:57:59] - xpovos:  i think (more specifically) paul is referring to the campaign that happened BEFORE the lecture hall thing.  basically the stuff the christians did to garner interest.  ~a

[2007-08-20 14:56:58] - xpovos:  the lecture hall was in burrus.  you're thinking of the follow up discussions that were in the dorms.  ~a

[2007-08-20 14:51:49] - Paul: I didn't go, I thought it was in one of the dorms.  Like the community room in Ambler? -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 14:51:16] - Paul: If it's the gambling charge, that's a life-time ban from football.  If it's dog-fighting, I'm guessing a two year ban. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 14:42:20] - Xpovos: I was just thinking about the event in the lecture hall, not necessarily about the follow-up discussion groups. -Paul

[2007-08-20 14:41:38] - Dave: Interesting, I wonder what that means for his career. -Paul

[2007-08-20 14:31:21] - apparently Vick just plead guilty. Not much more info than that atm -dave

[2007-08-20 14:09:41] - amy: She recommended a product called "Dotto" by a company "Herma".  It's a repositionable adhesive and can seal the edge without damaging anything and should look professional.  Of course, no adhesive may be necessary since the plastic will cling to the paper electrostatically. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 14:00:07] - amy: Hmm... let me ask someone who knows a lot more about making crafty projects look professional.  Be back in a minute. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 13:59:25] - Outside of college towns, though, there just aren't that many people who can devote that kind of idle time.  At least not without getting paid for it.  And as a former paid employee for a political campaign, let me tell you, that doesn't work either. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 13:58:06] - Paul: The problem with the "Do you agree with Dave?" campaign, which I agree was well done, is that it required a high percentage relative to what Ron Paul can muster in a concentrated area (which the United States as a whole is not).  It might work if you coul get, say 150-250 individuals with nothing better to do all day in the same city for, say a week.  -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 13:24:31] - Xpovos: Yeah, I will be using some kind of adhesive, but the DVD covers are clear, and I need it to look clean and professional. So I have to be strategic about glue/tape usage. -amy

[2007-08-20 13:04:47] - Xpovos: Despite my objections, I have to admit that the "Do you agree with Dave?" campaign was pretty well done. That could also be a good slogan. -Paul

[2007-08-20 13:01:33] - Xpovos: Unfortunately, it seems like matinee movies are $8 at the Cinema De Lux up here. -Paul

[2007-08-20 12:25:04] - "One of our local Tampa Bay tv stations ran a feature on Ron Paul yesterday. It was very well done and I was happy to see it. “Who Is Ron Paul?” was the headline and just like the Who Is John Galt? question in Atlas Shrugged, I think it would make a great campaign slogan." (commentator on a blog I read) -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 12:16:38] - Paul: I try to go to matinees whenever possible.  The AMC near Potomac Mills has upped their ticket price to $9.00 for an evening show.  But if I go Sunday morning at 10:00 or thereabouts it's only $5.00. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-20 11:40:01] - a: Trying to save money. -Paul

[2007-08-20 11:38:48] - paul:  why are you cutting back on seeing movies in the theater?  ~a

[2007-08-20 11:14:53] - Vinnie: Yeah, it came out this past weekend. Balls of Fury comes out next Wednesday too. Makes it hard for me to cut back on seeing movies in the theater. -Paul

[2007-08-20 11:04:07] - paul: I didn't realize it was out. yeah I think I want to see it more than the Simpsons movie. how come there are suddenly so many movies to see? :-/ - vinnie

[2007-08-20 10:17:56] - Vinnie: I would recommend it. I enjoyed it. -Paul

[2007-08-20 10:16:24] - Aaron: I can see the resemblence. -Paul

[2007-08-20 10:08:06] - I wanna see McLovin movie. it looks funny - vinnie

[2007-08-20 08:58:42] - paul: McLovin - aaron

[2007-08-19 12:24:35] - Aaron: You thought he looked like the guy from the preview, or McLovin? -Paul

[2007-08-19 10:36:16] - paul: http://www.nndb.com/people/523/000026445/ed-helms-1.jpg this is the guy i was thinking of - aaron

[2007-08-18 21:11:32] - 10 things you can do to reduce global warming.

[2007-08-17 20:50:12] - amy: Glue? tape? Electrostatic adhesive? -- Xpovos

[2007-08-17 19:36:39] - xpovos: thanks for the info! i braved opening the package, and it does have the clear thin plastic cover thingy. it's not attached to the bottom though (or the top), so i'll have to figure out how to get stuff to stay in there. -amy

[2007-08-17 16:01:23] - amy: How much?  I'm sure I could use them.  And I would expect they have that thingie. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-17 14:38:25] - i was hoping that somebody could either 1. tell me that these covers typically do or don't have that, so i can know whether or not it's likely i can use them, or 2. offer to buy it off me if i open it and it turns out i can't use them ^_^; -amy

[2007-08-17 14:37:42] - does anybody here use (or have a use for) silmline dvd cases? i got a pack of them, but they are basically unusable to me if they don't have the little film around the front where you can stick a piece of paper (i.e. cover art) for the dvd.  and i can't tell unless i open it ,and if i open it, i don't know whether or not i can return it.  ... -amy

[2007-08-17 14:36:44] - pierce: Give chimps the vote! -- Xpovos

[2007-08-17 14:11:12] - I love that you're a "well-informed citizen" in that article if you get 5-10 answers right... when, statistically, you'd get about six answers correct just by guessing. - pierce

[2007-08-17 10:00:18] - Paul: I'd agree with that.  But it does show that Paul polled strongly with the Illionois voters, which according to the article I read is representative of the average Republican spectra.  I honestly think that until Jan 08 we won't see much of the real candidates standing out. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-17 09:51:53] - Xpovos: It seems to me like these polls are all pretty meaningless until we start getting to some where it actually counts for something (or at least where all the contenders are there). -Paul

[2007-08-17 09:37:57] - Xpovos: 14 for me. -Paul

[2007-08-17 09:20:22] - Pierce: http://www.cnbc.com/id/20304874 Looks like my magic is working. I always suspected the Fed was monitoring the message board. -Paul

[2007-08-17 08:38:06] - http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/08/16/quiz/index.html I scored 16. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-17 08:09:41] - Ron Paul placed third in the Illinois straw poll, behind Romney (~40%) and Thompson (~19%) with a slightly smaller ~19%.  That's not too interesting.  What is interesting is that it only leaves 20% for the entire rest of the field (Guiliani, McCain, Huckabee etc.) -- Xpovos

[2007-08-17 07:40:33] - pierce: All things considered yesterday went pretty well for the longs.  Today should be another fun ride. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-17 00:13:05] - paul: do what you gotta do, man, but if it's within your power to stop my stocks from tumbling I'm begging you to act. - pierce

[2007-08-16 15:35:49] - a: cool. we'll see you both there - vinnie

[2007-08-16 15:23:26] - ddr_people:  it's my dad's birthday.  ~a

[2007-08-16 15:18:23] - aaron: ok - vinnie

[2007-08-16 15:13:17] - ddr_people: nvcc? - aaron

[2007-08-16 14:08:19] - Paul: Increased efficiency -can- alleviate the problem, yes.  But what happens when it doesn't? -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 13:51:55] - - actually, vinnie

[2007-08-16 13:51:42] - "yes, I've tripled my burger output!! uh, does anyone want 17 burgers?" - paul

[2007-08-16 13:48:34] - a: I should've timed myself during the cookout. -Paul

[2007-08-16 13:46:41] - paul:  i can make 20 per hour.  ~a

[2007-08-16 13:46:37] - gurkie: yes! but now the sun came out ;_; -amy

[2007-08-16 13:40:37] - Xpovos: Well, I think the key is that people have to increase their productivity for everything to work out. Maybe you can only make 10 hamburgers an hour now, but hopefully in the future you will be able to make 15 an hour. -Paul

[2007-08-16 13:23:26] - Add in the legal dillemas involved in discriminating against elderly workers and the whole thing just looks ugly to me. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 13:22:42] - She maxed out her performanced baised raises a few  years ago.  Those COLA raises aren't actually keeping up with inflation.  So her real wages are decreasing.  If she were the sole wage-earner, she'd have to move jobs, which would save her current employer money, as they hired someone cheaper.  But the new employer eats all those costs and more, now... -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 13:21:29] - So basically, my mind was running in circles trying to understand and predict how this was going to work out.  My own salary has increased at a decent rate since graduation, so I'm costing the companies I work for money under this model.  My mother's wages, though, have been actually cut, since she only gets a COLA now... -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 13:20:01] - This inherently pushes the business to raise prices (inflation again) or cut profits.  After a certain number of years, profits can't be cut anymore, even if that was the choice.  But further complicating the issue is that older workers (experienced) get higher salaries than younger based on exactly this problem. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 13:18:59] - Paul: Basically, this is the thought I had earlier: Wages are already the largest cost most employers face, particularly if you count things like benefits in wages.  Every year people demand higher wages, both to keep up with the pace of inflation, the topic of that article, but also to increase their real purchase power and gain a higher quality of life... -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 13:17:17] - (im inside and dont really know) ~gurkie

[2007-08-16 13:17:04] - amy: wasnt it raining and stormy? ~gurkie

[2007-08-16 12:52:46] - i don't.  but somebody i respect liked cold fusion a bunch.  ~a

[2007-08-16 12:49:56] - Anybody here know anything about doing reporting through Cold Fusion? -Paul

[2007-08-16 12:45:29] - Xpovos: Not sure I 100% understand it, but what did you want to discuss? -Paul

[2007-08-16 11:58:22] - ahh the weather today makes me so happy .D -amy

[2007-08-16 11:27:26] - Hmm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price/wage_spiral I'd like to discuss aspects of this. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 11:13:02] - Paul: I'm maintiaing my 11,500 bottom prediction.  Better sell your other three somewhere around there. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-16 10:39:42] - Pierce: Unless, of course, the market is waiting for me to sell the remaining three. :-) -Paul

[2007-08-16 10:37:52] - paul: it had better... - pierce

[2007-08-16 09:41:53] - Good news everybody! The market has now reached it's bottom. How do I know? Because I just sold all but three of my stocks. :-) -Paul

[2007-08-16 08:55:20] - http://musicforants.com/music/celestial/Watch%20Us%20Work%20It.mp3 (new track) - aaron

[2007-08-16 08:51:55] - vinnie: hey that WAS a new devo track we saw on the commercial....?!?! wait what? what universe am i in - aaron

[2007-08-15 18:22:32] - gurkie: yay spring is easy and extensible and very open, i love it - aaron

[2007-08-15 17:17:33] - mig: i got people to agree to hibernate/spring so i dont have to deal with Spring's JDBC template thing.... thanks. ~gurkie

[2007-08-15 17:07:32] - heh not that anybody else cares, but it looks like does exist thousands of surnames, it's just that the 100 most common ones represent a significant portion of the population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_surname -amy

[2007-08-15 16:58:36] - whoops. this page would seem to indicate that mine is closer to 20th most common: http://www.chinavista.com/culture/letters/surnames.html (though i just found it on google so i have no idea how accurate it is.) was curious about the number of chinese surnames. -amy

[2007-08-15 16:55:41] - a: i don't think any of them are named mike, sorry. -amy

[2007-08-15 16:54:11] - a: approximately tenth most common chinese surname among less than 150 surnames? (possibly less than 100?). immigrants from china typically spell it with the "h" and "s" reversed, and immigrants from taiwan typically spell it same as mine. i have met a number of taiwanese americans with the same last name. -amy

[2007-08-15 16:35:47] - mig: the stored proc is inserting data into a different system than i am developing for, I am inserting a bunch of varchars dont really know what it does i think there are some lookups and such in the stored proc and i think it returns an error/success notification of sorts ~gurkie

[2007-08-15 15:58:13] - i've looked through the spring docs again and the only thing i've found that is built into spring that you can use is their JDBC template thingy ... which i'm not a big fan of because it seems like it's only slightly better than just using direct jdbc to call your stored procs. - mig

[2007-08-15 15:54:54] - gurkie:  that could be true, i'm not sure how hibernate handles stored procedures.  what exactly are these stored procedures returning?  what are you sending off to them? - mig

[2007-08-15 15:51:39] - amy:  how common is your last name?  i.e. do you know a guy named mike h. aka. ming-shin h.?  ~a

[2007-08-15 15:47:36] - a: i feel like ive heard that before... and its all good... ~gurkie

[2007-08-15 15:46:21] - gurkie:  i've used hibernate a bunch, but i haven't done anything with store procedures, sorry.  ~a

[2007-08-15 15:44:49] - mig: generally speaking we use spring/hibernate in conjunction with each other for database access, however in a review meeting one of the db guys was saying that its cleaner/easier to just use spring to execute stored procs... me go read link now... ~gurkie

[2007-08-15 15:42:21] - gurkie: http://static.springframework.org/spring/docs/2.0.x/reference/orm.html#orm-hibernate - mig

[2007-08-15 15:41:26] - spring as far as i know doesn't seem to have any O/R mapping capabilities built in (but intergrates with stuff that does like ibatis and hibernate), so i guess i would say using hibernate is more beneficial, but you'd want to still use spring for their dao support goodness. - mig

[2007-08-15 15:13:33] - gurkie:  .... i thought spring could be intergrated to work with hibernate? - mig

[2007-08-15 15:10:48] - Paul: I sincerely doubt it, I mean maybe if the guy was joking... ~gurkie

[2007-08-15 15:09:42] - who knows about the benefit of Spring vs. Hibernate to run Stored Procedures? ~gurkie

[2007-08-15 15:09:20] - Question: Would you date somebody who has said they would never date somebody of a particular race/ethnicity (which isn't your own)? -Paul

[2007-08-15 14:55:18] - Pierce: I knew that's where you were going with that. :-) -Paul

[2007-08-15 14:33:03] - paul: just think of them each as a cheek. - pierce

[2007-08-15 14:16:28] - Pierce: That would still leave you with two "but"s in a row. :-) -Paul

[2007-08-15 14:13:44] - err weird, sorry, just noticed my weird editing error before.  omit "it doesn't mean that" from my last message. - pierce

[2007-08-15 13:59:25] - Gurkie: Not really, but I don't really talk to him much right now. -Paul

[2007-08-15 13:56:21] - paul: do you enjoy talking to your boss? Or no? ~gurkie

[2007-08-15 12:04:03] - paul: then you may have to just play it by ear.  a lot of bosses claim to want that but it doesn't mean that (and some actually do) but that doesn't mean you won't get labelled a kissass if you seem too enthusiastic about the idea. - pierce

[2007-08-15 12:02:45] - d.l. hughley did an interesting interview with the onion av club which talked a lot about the rutgers/imus situation and how hughley has gotten flak for making similar statements to imus.  the av club interviewer was oddly combatative, but desipte/because of that it was a great read. - pierce

[2007-08-15 11:48:48] - Pierce: Well, the reason I am thinking about it is because I think the boss wants to have informal, social relationships with us outside of work. -Paul

[2007-08-15 11:40:55] - http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/5-0&fp=46c3d087b69f1d79&ei=Xh7DRpTXPJWEapKumbYP&url=http%3A//www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20070815 rutgers player sues don imus for defamation her reputation.  because you know, being hailed as a hero by everyone is such a distressing experience. - mig

[2007-08-15 11:31:22] - paul: might be seen as brown nosing.  might establish an informal, social relationship with your boss that could get in the way of professional interactions.  not guaranteed, just a risk.  I've hung out with project managers before socially, but never my actual supervisor, so YMMV. - pierce

[2007-08-15 11:03:14] - a: Not that I disagree, but why? -Paul

[2007-08-15 11:00:20] - but seriously, depending on what kind of workplace you are at i think it could be dangerous to have your boss over to your apartment.  ~a

[2007-08-15 10:59:32] - a: So ask for the raise after inviting? Not before? -Paul

[2007-08-15 10:51:51] - paul:  yes.  then ask for a raise.  ~a

[2007-08-15 10:51:26] - All: Should I invite my workaholic boss who hasn't seen the Lord of the Rings movies to come over to my apartment to watch them sometime? -Paul

[2007-08-14 17:04:40] - amy: they did one in London already and they are having 4 in the US. I dont know which other stores just that the one in gtown is. ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 16:36:43] - heh.  i know.  he gets pretty sad when i cut off his head.  ~a

[2007-08-14 15:11:55] - a: you need to feed your tamagotchi :-[ - aaron

[2007-08-14 14:55:41] - lush is a really big company (i've gone there in india and in taiwan) -- are they doing naked parties everywhere or just gtown? .) -amy

[2007-08-14 14:06:35] - aaron:  yessss.  i have really improved screen real estate with mouse gestures.  very little of my screen is taken up by navigation buttons.  png  ~a

[2007-08-14 13:58:39] - Woo, one of my stocks announced two big things today.  First, an earnings surprise.  Second, not just a smaller loss, but an actual profit! SEPS +0.03  PPS +0.08. $$ for X, but it all goes away soon. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-14 12:14:13] - a: you stuck with mouse gestures? i forgot about those, i used them a couple of years ago - aaron

[2007-08-14 12:05:51] - Xpovos: ;-) -Paul

[2007-08-14 12:01:36] - Paul: So long as you're definitely 90% sure.  I can't ask more than that.  Tell Yogi I said hi. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-14 11:50:24] - a: I have installed no add-ons as far as I know. I'm pretty sure it's scottrade, though, because the freezing seems to keep happening when I try doing anything on that page. -Paul

[2007-08-14 11:35:29] - paul:  i haven't had any problems with scottrade in firefox.  i use firefox 100% of the time in windows and linux (on four machines) and i still haven't had any problems.  are you running any weird add-ons?  add-ons i regularly run are firebug, noscript, refcontrol, greasemonkey, mousegestures, and find-toolbar-tweaks.  ~a

[2007-08-14 10:32:07] - Gurkie: I didn't say I was talking about the female employees. I was just stating my opinion. :-) -Paul

[2007-08-14 10:25:28] - paul: did i say they were cute? i said the unds were a cute cut... ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 10:25:03] - vinnie: i think there is a good chance a bunch of the employees will end up arrested... they called the cops and the cops said if they stay inside they will be fine. but if they go outside.... although if people can see in through the windows i think they could get in trouble for that too... ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 10:22:44] - Vinnie: Cute females being naked is always acceptable to me. -Paul

[2007-08-14 10:21:59] - I've definitely found out what is killing firefox for me. I'm about 90% sure it's scottrade. -Paul

[2007-08-14 10:21:52] - or is nakedness only acceptable when it is done in protest? :P - vinnie

[2007-08-14 10:21:21] - the real question is how come places don't do this regularly, not in protest? I can't imagine it will hurt sales - vinnie

[2007-08-14 10:09:43] - Gurkie: I'm guessing this was the guy's idea. :-) Isn't that slightly illegal? -Paul

[2007-08-14 10:04:50] - paul: boy shorts are a specific underwear cut... ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 10:04:26] - paul: apparently all the people who work there (one guy rest females) will be either fully naked or in cute boy shorts and im not sure if they have bras or not... i heard about it on the radio... ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 10:03:19] - Gurkie: What exactly is a naked party? -Paul

[2007-08-14 09:54:47] - vinnie: since its more amusing to have it mean something else ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 09:54:34] - and no, "vinnie" is not the answer to the question I just asked - vinnie

[2007-08-14 09:53:57] - since when did people forget that the dash indicates the speaker??? - vinnie

[2007-08-14 09:49:58] - a: or you could mean ur his baby as in "hey baby, how you doin'?" ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 09:49:22] - a: umm... ur older than vinnie... which means somehow he conceived you before he was conceived? or maybe you believe in reincarnation and he managed then died and was reborn as vin. ~gurkie

[2007-08-14 09:48:15] - store not sture

[2007-08-14 09:48:00] - apparently lush, a bath product sture, in gtown is protesting the excess packaging used with cosmetics by having a naked party. from 12pm - 2pm on saturday the 25th... (fyi)~gurkie

[2007-08-14 07:55:43] - http://www.softlab.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html building a fast wikipedia offline reader - aaron

[2007-08-13 23:42:28] - paul: how many pots have you smoken?  how many times have you gone to the bathroom in your life? - pierce

[2007-08-13 23:37:49] - Pierce: How much time do you spend on the message board? :-) -Paul

[2007-08-13 21:14:24] - a: how about this then?  whenever a link is posted to the message board, make a local cache of the page and use that link on the "entries" archive.  it's scary how many of our old discussions have lost their context because the links that triggered them have gone dead. - pierce

[2007-08-13 18:54:55] - feature creep is only a problem when the dumb features (like this one) interfere with the good features.  or when the dumb features cost more to develop then they return in revenue.  since this doesn't affect anything else on the message board, and your development efforts are worthless priceless, we shouldn't worry about it. - pierce

[2007-08-13 18:48:43] - pierce:  haha.  sounds like a useless feature to me :-P  feature creep?  ~a

[2007-08-13 17:59:51] - a: if you're bored and feel like adding a feature, here's a thought.  whenever someone starts a post "title:", replace it with a link to the title and/or a tooltip hover (using the "title" attribute) of the message board title at the time that message was posted. - pierce

[2007-08-13 16:27:06] - i am.  ~a

[2007-08-13 16:15:33] - title: hey, I am not one of vinnie's babies. - pierce

[2007-08-13 15:49:55] - heyyyyyy - vinnie

[2007-08-13 15:32:26] - title:  :-D  ~a

[2007-08-13 14:41:00] - title: nice :) - vinnie

[2007-08-13 14:09:55] - Xpovos: I have a fairly clean conscience when it comes to voting, I think. I can't recall any votes that I've regretted. -Paul

[2007-08-13 14:00:44] - Paul: I strongly considered writing in a candidate, and probably should have.  I do believe that election is the only time I've ever had "voter's regret". -- Xpovos

[2007-08-13 13:54:58] - gurkie:  i have a problem with that, yes.  if i'm taking a picture where timing is important, then i can partially depress the button to force the camera to focus ahead of time.  then when i press the button completely, it's about a half of a second for the picture to take.  ~a

[2007-08-13 13:13:07] - Xpovos: I think I went with NOTA. -Paul

[2007-08-13 12:41:47] - pierce: I agree with you and think that's one of the reasons mass democracy fails.  But as long as I'm a part of it, I'll vote for the candidate most idealistic and with ideals most in line with my own.  That made the last VA gubenatorial race a bitch. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-13 12:16:26] - Candidates who run on principles won't win, because the voters who disagree can't be won over, and even many of the voters who completely agree with those principles will worry that the candidate will be too idealistic to "play the game" to enact them. - pierce

[2007-08-13 12:13:38] - Now, Ron Paul may or may not know he can't win.  I remember seeing an interview with him where the reporter outright told him that he couldn't (which was incredibly rude and unprofessional) and Paul seemed genuinely surprised to hear it.  But the effect is the same... - pierce

[2007-08-13 12:07:06] - I think "dangerous" is pushing it.  I'm reminded of something Jon Stewart said on his famous Crossfire appearance: "I think, oftentimes, the person that knows they can't win is allowed to speak the most freely, because otherwise, shows with titles such as 'Crossfire' Or 'Hardball' or 'I'm Going to Kick Your Ass' will jump on it." - pierce

[2007-08-13 11:32:59] - mig: I think those who know think he's dangerous and therefore covering him would be negligent; but I can't believe there aren't more sensationalists out there trying to scoop him.  So maybe he isn't that big of a story.  Yet? -- Xpovos

[2007-08-13 10:22:17] - paul:  yeah that is really, really aggravating.  it's absolutely pathetic the lengths the media is going to try to ignore ron paul. - mig

[2007-08-13 10:16:48] - a: u have no issues with hitting the button then waiting 3 seconds for the pic to take? I think that was the issue with my old Olympus... ~gurkie

[2007-08-13 09:28:33] - sam: I'm very happy with my Canon Powershot, been using it for months now with no problems I can recall - vinnie

[2007-08-12 14:25:24] - sam: for point-and-shoot cameras, I only hear overwhelmingly good things about canon.  I have a sony dsc-p10, and I always feel like I'm wrestling with it.  it gets blurry in anything but direct sunlight unless I focus all my energy on holding it still, and it has an annoying fisheye effect over long distances. - pierce

[2007-08-12 14:23:06] - paul: I'm with you.  I don't think there's a mainstream media conspiracy to pretend he doesn't exist, but shenanigans like this certainly fuel the possibility. - pierce

[2007-08-12 02:04:14] - a: True, but he got over 9% of the vote. Considering that the winner only got 31%, I don't think it's too bad. -Paul

[2007-08-12 01:57:47] - paul:  paul is crazy.  ~a

[2007-08-12 01:56:30] - sam:  i have an olympus that i like.  it's from 2001, and i still like it better than many 2007 digital cameras.  ~a

[2007-08-12 01:49:18] - The article even conspicuously mentions who finished in fourth and sixth but leaves out any mention of who finished fifth (Paul). -Paul

[2007-08-12 01:48:34] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/11/AR2007081101382_2.html?hpid=topnews Second to last paragraph. I know the reason why, but it's annoying that this article about the Iowa poll completely leaves out Ron Paul. -Paul

[2007-08-12 01:38:12] - sam: Canon. Completely totally and utterly. I had an Olympus which had horrid shutter speed all my pics looked crappy (albeit this was 6 or 7 years ago) then a Casio... But I doubt I will ever buy another dig cam that is not a canon. Based on my experience and my friends experience. ~Gurkie

[2007-08-12 01:09:19] - do any of you have a preference on the brand when it comes to digital cameras? -sam

[2007-08-10 15:34:18] - I had a random moment last night.  Katie was talking to her brother about student loans--brother can't get a decent rate, so she asked me "What's prime?" meaning "What's the rate" not "What's the concept".  Her brother asked what's the concept later.  I completely surprised myself by knowing.  I wouldn't have thought I did. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 14:54:32] - Gurkie: I hate that too. -Paul

[2007-08-10 14:26:11] - gurkie: I'm sorry if I ever talked to you when I was single. (I say this knowing I don't talk to you now) -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 13:57:41] - i hate it when guys only talk to me if they are single (and stop talking to me as soon as they get a gf). it really annoys me. ~gurkie

[2007-08-10 13:55:44] - pierce: To be fair, after reading the wiki article, I remembered coverage of those debates.  They'd slipped my mind, and they do seem to be longer ago than the Democratic ones.  I'll stop crying foul for my own bad memory now. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 12:57:13] - Xpovos: I kinda know what you're talking about. Until recently, it seemed like I had only heard about Democratic debates and that nobody was talking about Republican debates. I'm guessing it was just because I was interested in hearing how Ron Paul was doing so I cared about the Republican debates more. -Paul

[2007-08-10 12:54:06] - xpovos: I guess so, I'd heard about them all, if only in brief coverage. - pierce

[2007-08-10 12:53:11] - Just with terrible name recognition. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 12:52:59] - Paul: I think it's a couple of factors. 1) Ron Paul appeals to the types of people who are on the internet, so internet polls favor him.  2) Internet polls are incredibly easy to stuff, so they likely do. 3) Even with ballot-stuffing countermeasures enough of Paul's supporters are the hacker-type... well, it goes on.  He's consistent in the major polling though at 2-3%

[2007-08-10 12:48:34] - It's interesting that Ron Paul seems to randomly win polls with huge leads. I wonder what that seems to indicate. Are his supporters just really good at stuffing ballot boxes or something? -Paul

[2007-08-10 12:27:47] - Huh, thanks pierce.  Now, why hasn't the media said anything about it at all?  Maybe I'm listening/watching/reading the wrong stuff? -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 12:18:51] - Republican presidential debates, 2008 - pierce

[2007-08-10 12:00:30] - Why haven't there been any (many? as many as the Democrats?) Republican debates?  I count three Dem debates so far. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 11:38:08] - a: I don't remember exactly, but it was a loss. -Paul

[2007-08-10 11:28:51] - paul:  what did you sell amd at?  ~a

[2007-08-10 10:36:44] - Xpovos: The problem right now is that most of my stocks are stocks that I find myself wishing will go up, and not necessarily thinking they will. I'm falling in the same trap as I did with AMD. -Paul

[2007-08-10 10:31:56] - Paul: I understand.  I spent a good twenty minutes today deciding if I thought it was worth selling my 401 mutuals to a guaranteed interest account for about 6 months.  I eventually decided not to, for many complicated reasons, but I may come to regret that decision. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 10:31:04] - paul:  duh.  ~a

[2007-08-10 10:15:20] - I totally should've sold everything one month and $5k ago. :'( -Paul

[2007-08-10 09:40:31] - I'm giving serious thought to selling everything and sitting this out until things settle down. I'm thinking things are going to get worse before they get better. -Paul

[2007-08-10 09:39:26] - I'm not the only one predicting Dow at 11,500 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeYtlAQSOkSk -- Xpovos

[2007-08-10 09:31:45] - Hold on to your butts, it's going to be a bumpy flight - Stock Market

[2007-08-09 16:40:05] - haha 415 also - vinnie

[2007-08-09 16:34:16] - pierce: lol i like 400 416 and 405 - aaron

[2007-08-09 16:28:16] - k.  ~a

[2007-08-09 16:17:01] - vinnie: that's good because i'm short on singles - aaron

[2007-08-09 16:16:47] - vinnie: ooo okay - aaron

[2007-08-09 16:16:00] - aaron: let's do sfm. I have a trillion tokens - vinnie

[2007-08-09 15:00:01] - vinnie: either one's good for me - aaron

[2007-08-09 14:35:25] - ddrrrrrrr? - vinnie

[2007-08-09 14:34:47] - pierce: sometimes 12 Monkeys is the only time-travel movie that doesn't annoy me - vinnie

[2007-08-09 10:56:20] - http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/08/1999202.htm?section=justin giant lego man washes up on shore near holland - aaron

[2007-08-09 10:47:35] - pierce:  or we love getting it on.  ~a

[2007-08-09 10:41:27] - :-P  ~a

[2007-08-09 10:25:26] - http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NSTK Damn, last night I saw this stock was down ~10% and really considered putting in a limit order to buy a bunch of shares this morning but I didn't. Really regretting it now. -Paul

[2007-08-09 10:12:42] - cartoons for http conditions - pierce

[2007-08-09 10:12:29] - Xpovos: Yeah. I'm unfortunately not very consistent between my yahoo email address, gmail address and aim name. They are all different. -Paul

[2007-08-09 10:12:08] - I was a little surprised by computer science's 40%.  maybe we're not as smart as we think we are. - pierce

[2007-08-09 09:58:06] - Paul: Thanks, I kept trying to throw the C in there or use dots or nothing, and of course it never worked.  But amazingly, mostly of the time it just was undeliverable, and I didn't get some random guy. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-09 09:54:22] - a: They do seem high, but they also do seem low.  Which itself says a lot about our culture, values, and expectations.  But the correlation to intelligence shouldn't be surprising.  -- Xpovos

[2007-08-09 09:50:49] - Xpovos: First_Last@yahoo.com -Paul

[2007-08-09 09:49:39] - Paul: I can't e-mail you from work, I can't remember what series of dots, underscores and middle initials or vacancies makes up your e-mail...  This is really getting out of hand. -- Xpovos

[2007-08-09 09:46:19] - not all of it is "duh".  "by age 19, 80 percent of men and 75 percent of women lose their virginity".  i'm not sure if those numbers seem high or if they seem low, but it's still interesting.  ~a

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