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[2007-08-30 08:20:59] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070829-but-her-profile-said-she-was-18-jail-cell-judge-rules.html Guy gets convicted of having sex with minor even though he found her through sexsearch.com where she claimed she was 18 -dave
[2007-08-30 08:04:33] - mig: really? I'd read a lot of articles that had said they thought he wouldn't -dave
[2007-08-29 23:30:47] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII
~a[2007-08-29 21:50:56] - sam: "The purpose of unlimited storage isn’t to provide an online storage warehouse." that's the nice thing about gmail; you CAN use it as an online storage warehouse (and they limit that warehouse . . . at ~3gb and growing). ~a
[2007-08-29 16:23:41] - a: about yahoo mail unlimited storage: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/tools/tools-08.html -sam
[2007-08-29 15:47:38] - dave: that's not terribly surprising. - mig
[2007-08-29 15:08:10] - http://www.avp-r.com/trailer.html Aliens versus Predator 2? I have to admit, the trailer looks fairly decent to me. Also, it provides an example of an actual R-rated preview with the red screen. -Paul
[2007-08-29 14:45:08] - http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nfl# NFL GMs think that Vick will play again -dave
[2007-08-29 13:39:20] - Sam: I did, because I use yahoo mail.
-Paul[2007-08-29 13:38:10] - sam: unlimited? i could see people taking advantage of that. ~a
[2007-08-29 13:20:26] - did you know yahoo mail gives you unlimited mailbox storage for free? -sam
[2007-08-29 10:44:06] - http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/ ron patrick's street legal jet-powered new beetle - aaron
[2007-08-29 10:21:02] - michael vick went to virginia tech?
~a[2007-08-29 08:12:11] - http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2995486 Vick's effect at Tech. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-28 16:29:20] - amy: i laugh every time i see that. ~a
[2007-08-28 15:55:22] - you were making a retarded pun. ~a
[2007-08-28 15:54:52] - i get it now. ~a
[2007-08-28 15:47:57] - OHHHHHHH ~a
[2007-08-28 14:54:57] - a: I was referring to your comment about the pot calling the kettle black. -Paul
[2007-08-28 14:52:36] - from engrish.com: http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/batman-superman.jpg says my friend who posted this to her LJ: "Batman's gonna be pissed when he figures out how to read what the bag he is on says :o " -amy
[2007-08-28 14:36:01] - paul: maybe you meant to address your last message to pierce? he was the one talking about jefferson. ~a
[2007-08-28 14:31:41] - a: I'm so confused as to what we're talking about.
-Paul[2007-08-28 14:27:30] - paul: i was referring to craig. craig is white. are you talking about jefferson? ~a
[2007-08-28 14:24:37] - a: I didn't realize the senator was black. Is that why you think it's a scandal? -Paul
[2007-08-28 14:09:59] - vinnie: don't mess with texas. -msgboard
[2007-08-28 14:01:15] - the last major controversy I remember from a non-gop congressperson was William J. Jefferson's corruption investigation. He's the guy who had cash in his freezer. - pierce
[2007-08-28 13:53:27] - msgboard: a little defensive, aren't we? I wasn't even blaming you, I was blaming my keyboard - vinnie
[2007-08-28 13:41:52] - new StringBuffer("a").equals(new StringBuffer("a")) why doesn't string buffer override equals?
~a[2007-08-28 13:26:48] - vinnie: never call me a liar, you fucker. -msgboard
[2007-08-28 13:21:39] - I totally did not hit enter - vinnie
[2007-08-28 13:21:29] - a: yeah I saw. I probably wouldn't have been able to go this week anyhow... Amy family is coming to visit and we have to clean the house and stuff.
[2007-08-28 12:57:07] - paul: pot calling the kettle black. ~a
[2007-08-28 12:43:58] - a: Well, I think it's interesting that you consider this a scandal? Is it because the Senator is apparently gay? Or is it because he hit somebody else's foot with his?
-Paul[2007-08-28 12:41:59] - paul: i'll assume by your joke answer that no serious answer exists. ~a
[2007-08-28 12:26:52] - vinnie: in case you missed my message, i'm missing this thursday too (me too . . . and me again). so you'll be alone. ~a
[2007-08-28 12:02:25] - aaron: heh. well I thought "Dead" was about 300 places too high. I mean, third best song on Flood? really? - vinnie
[2007-08-28 11:55:55] - also no DDR for me this week, i'm leaving on thursday for my family trip - aaron
[2007-08-28 11:55:34] - vinnie: i tried really hard but statue never grew on me at all, i don't understand it - aaron
[2007-08-28 11:52:08] - a: Unless you meant a senator or representative that isn't a Republican....
-Paul[2007-08-28 11:51:39] - a: I would say the Michael Vick dog-fighting scandal. -Paul
[2007-08-28 11:47:48] - what's the most recent scandal perpetrated by a non-gop senator? or representative? ~a
[2007-08-28 11:36:12] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/27/AR2007082701235.html?hpid=topnews GOP Senator Pleaded Guilty After Restroom Arrest. -Paul
[2007-08-28 10:53:49] - vinnie: high. ~a
[2007-08-28 10:19:43] - aaron: is that high or low for statue? I think that might be my 19th favorite TMBG song - vinnie
[2007-08-28 10:08:50] - dave: similar? maybe. hypothetically, it's always not as heinous, ... ~a
[2007-08-28 10:04:36] - a: it seems like dogfighting itself is "heinous, cruel and inhumane" and i'm sure most people who get convicted of it did similar things to what Vick did. -dave
[2007-08-28 09:07:55] - "pretty fly" is very very bad. it doesn't have either of the johns, or any instruments - aaron
[2007-08-28 09:05:16] - http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/08/22/dinosaur.speed.reut/index.html Study: T-rex could outrun David Beckham - aaron
[2007-08-28 09:04:59] - vinnie: i was surprised by how much of the new album hits the top of the list. Also Statue Got Me High #19
- aaron[2007-08-28 09:02:20] - a: the first one I recognized besides Nevada was "I'm Def". I like that song but yeah it pretty much deserves to be at the bottom of the list - vinnie
[2007-08-28 08:44:41] - aaron: it was 744, and 0:37. ~a
[2007-08-27 20:44:53] - BLEH! i'm going to have to miss ddr AGAIN. on thursday it's my coworker's last day (actually he's the president of the company). ~a
[2007-08-27 18:29:30] - paul: ah yes. that warning links to the same place. ~a
[2007-08-27 18:14:28] - Whoops, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Kind_of_a_Stopwatch -Paul
[2007-08-27 18:14:14] - a: Nope, I am referring to the note on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Kind_of_a_Stopwatch. -Paul
[2007-08-27 18:11:37] - you're referring to this page? ~a
[2007-08-27 18:10:51] - paul: hmmmm. yeah, i sometimes wonder about that. trivial data is sometimes interesting, true. but, i believe it's not the kind of thing you'll see in a paper encyclopedia. encyclopedias are usually full of non-trivial information. ~a
[2007-08-27 17:40:34] - Trivia sections are discouraged by wikipedia? That's sad, it's often my favorite section. -Paul
[2007-08-27 17:31:22] - aaron: regarding "a kind of stopwatch", are you referring to the menga? yeah: revert. ~a
[2007-08-27 17:29:00] - i don't recognize very many of the songs at the end of the list. i scrolled up to hey now everybody before i recognized one. ~a
[2007-08-27 17:12:53] - poor Nevada! - vinnie
[2007-08-27 17:11:53] - http://tmbw.net/wiki/Special:Ratings TMBG songs by rating. I thought it was interesting, but I guess iTunes and other places probably do the same thing - vinnie
[2007-08-27 15:56:07] - a: Don't recall ever hearing about it, sorry. -Paul
[2007-08-27 15:46:24] - everybody from tech: did you guys remember hearing about a virginia tech dorm that burned down in the distant past? was that just an urban legend? which dorm was that and what year was it? i can't seem to find it anywhere online. ~a
[2007-08-27 15:36:15] - Xpovos: I managed to adequately replace the guys I traded away for the high pick, that's true. I keep waiting for my wide receivers to pan out but so far they haven't. Maybe one of the QBs I picked up will work out eventually too. -Paul
[2007-08-27 15:31:40] - Paul: And you did have a solid defensive draft. It's just the offensive picks that didn't pan out so well. I'm really hoping some of my picks pan out in later years because I only nabbed on starter, and even then he's a 'back-up' starter. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-27 15:26:10] - aaron: las vegas? which buildings feature were you talking about? i thought you just meant that buildings were displayed. ~a
[2007-08-27 15:24:58] - dave: no, it reads that it has nothing to do with how famous he is. it reads that it has everything to do with how "heinous, cruel and inhumane" the dogs were treated. ~a
[2007-08-27 15:14:39] - "A first-time offender might well receive no jail time for this offense," Rosenberg said. "We thought, however, that the conduct in this conspiracy was heinous, cruel and inhumane." This makes me sad. To me it reads, because he's so famous, we will give him jailtime instead of the normal sentence -dave
[2007-08-27 15:12:26] - Aaron: "It has also been used in erotic manga, with predictable results." ? I'm not entirely sure what the predictable results are... -Paul
[2007-08-27 14:58:39] - a: but none of your fun places demonstrate the buildings feature - aaron
[2007-08-27 14:57:19] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Kind_of_a_Stopwatch lol. this article is so typical until the last sentence - aaron
[2007-08-27 14:21:32] - Xpovos: I don't remember, but it's a strangely large improvement on defense for my team. I think it largely has to do with getting some of my starters back on defense. -Paul
[2007-08-27 13:58:51] - Paul: Cool, I was interested in that. So, that's what a 3 point improvement for my team? It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-27 13:56:18] - "new"? it's been there for at least six months in some cities. las vegas had it like a year ago when i posted this: fun places ~a
[2007-08-27 13:46:01] - aaron: I think that's new - vinnie
[2007-08-27 13:38:53] - Xpovos: So it looks like my team won't be taking a huge dive after losing McNair after all. -Paul
[2007-08-27 13:38:31] - Xpovos: Also, it may interest you to know that Travis and I took a look at the team ratings last night and my team is rated 95 overall and yours is 94 overall (if I remember correctly). -Paul
[2007-08-27 13:37:52] - Sam: I'm just worried about their O-line. Not sure it's good enough to make them a good team. -Paul
[2007-08-27 13:18:00] - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=washington+dc&layer=c&ie=UTF8&ll=38.900118,-77.026649&spn=0.006053,0.00883&z=17&om=1 sorry this is what i meant to link to - aaron
[2007-08-27 13:09:36] - paul: Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow seemed to be pretty good also for the Browns. -sam
[2007-08-27 13:04:33] - paul: i'd say sleeper team in NFL would be the Browns. They just got Jurevicious and Jamal Lewis, and Brady Quinn seems to be pretty good. -sam
[2007-08-27 13:03:03] - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=37.09024,-95.712891&spn=47.167389,92.8125&z=4&om=1&layer=c&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-google-svn&ut did google maps always have building data like this? - aaron
[2007-08-27 12:14:21] - Dave: Yeah, I found that oddly amusing as well.
-Paul[2007-08-27 12:07:57] - hehe, you know what the govt is planning to do with all the dogs they confiscated from Vick? Euthanize them -dave
[2007-08-27 11:46:09] - Xpovos: I'm surprised I hadn't heard anything about that until now. -Paul
[2007-08-27 11:41:46] - In other news: I wish I'd bought GTW on Friday. Not that I had any reason to, but it's days like this that being an inside trader could really pay off. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-27 11:41:08] - http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070827/economy.html?.v=16 -- Xpovos
[2007-08-27 11:40:48] - Paul: Drew Brees was considered an upgrade at QB, and Reggie Bush was supposed to be explosive, or at least be able to spell Deuce. They got more than they expected from the WRs and Drew, but I think people saw offense. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-27 11:35:29] - Xpovos: I might agree, but I don't think many people saw much offense on the Saints last year before the season started either. -Paul
[2007-08-27 11:30:14] - Paul: That would be interesting. Except I don't see anything on their team in terms of offense, with or without Vick. Good defense, but no offense at all. Kinda like the Skins. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-27 11:07:53] - Xpovos: I was thinking last night while I was watching SportsCenter, an interesting sleeper pick in the NFL could be the Falcons. -Paul
[2007-08-27 08:06:44] - http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/5290/tcid/1 some dirt on the new speed racer movie - aaron
[2007-08-27 07:27:21] - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/08/26/cuban.dancing/index.html Cuban to be on Dancing With the Stars -dave
[2007-08-26 21:16:36] - an interesting comany that funds mini-startups in the bay area. ~a
[2007-08-26 18:21:45] - anon: sounds reasonable. ~a
[2007-08-26 17:37:13] - for punishment they should let one of his fighting dogs to rip his testicles off...
[2007-08-26 15:30:53] - annoying corporate words/phrases
[2007-08-26 15:30:49] - misheard lyrics
[2007-08-25 01:15:08] -
~a[2007-08-24 17:04:10] - dave: well I guess I don't see any other way to interpret it. Vick is a cuddly sweetheart who happens to lynch dogs in his spare time. Hey, we all need a hobby. - pierce
[2007-08-24 14:28:39] - xpovos: whoops, i reread what you wrote and realize what you actually meant. -amy
[2007-08-24 14:27:56] - Xpovos: not all 6B+ humans are being adequately fed .) but yeah. -amy
[2007-08-24 14:18:29] - dave: that's exactly what he's saying. ~a
[2007-08-24 14:05:31] - pierce: so what you're saying is that Vick is actually a really nice person? -dave
[2007-08-24 14:01:43] - amy: But it does a good job of providing more than enough food to feed all 6B+ humans. Distribution... that's another problem. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-24 13:57:45] - not to mention the effect the whole process has on the content of the meat/dairy products, or how the meat industry workers are treated. but that is a different discussion .) -amy
[2007-08-24 13:55:46] - but even vegetarians are hypocritical. cows for milk production aren't treated all that well either; they're stuffed full of hormones so that they become unnaturally large and produce a lot of milk, all of which is pumped out for human consumption and none of which goes to their calves. -amy
[2007-08-24 13:54:15] - ...which is where mad cow disease comes from. like vinnie said, the slaughterhouse death is supposed to be quick, but the tools are not always up to the task, and sometimes an animal is still alive when it is taken to the next step, basically being cut up and having their parts taken. -amy
[2007-08-24 13:53:31] - to be more specific, some things i remember: basically animals are treated like commodities. chicken are packed in tiny cages where they can't move at all. disease runs rampant because all the animals are packed so tightly together. cows are naturally vegetarians (they graze on grass), but they get fed a mixture of ground up animal product leftovers, including cow meat...
[2007-08-24 13:52:24] - dave: in other words, since there are (apparently) a lot of people who are cruel to animals but otherwise well-adjusted, animal cruelty doesn't actually serve as an important indicator about who they are as a person. - pierce
[2007-08-24 13:51:53] - dave: as I understand it (and I wish I remembered where I read this), by psychiatric metrics sociopathic behavior is a strong indicator of a tendency to be cruel to animals -- but being cruel to animals is only a weak indicator of sociopathic behavior. - pierce
[2007-08-24 13:47:51] - a: oh, but since it laid eggs in your stomach it's more like the gnat is eating you alive. - pierce
[2007-08-24 13:47:31] - the death of the slaughterhouse animal is designed to be very quick, from what I read in The Omnivore's Dilemma (awesome book, highly recommended). however, sometimes the killing process screws up and the results are pretty cruel, though unintentionally so. the treatment of the animals before they go to the slaughterhouse is pretty horrible though - vinnie
[2007-08-24 13:40:37] - gurkie: i've inhaled a gnat before. ~a
[2007-08-24 13:31:45] - gurkie: you should read fast food nation .p they talk about what goes on in slaughter houses and stuff. -amy
[2007-08-24 13:24:19] - paul: i thought they werent necessarily treated well but in general they werent treated brutally with a few exceptions. namely veal which is why i have a more active objection to that then most meat... ~gurkie
[2007-08-24 13:21:25] - Xpovos: you rarely eat living animals... that means sometimes you do... thats nasty. *shudder* ~gurkie
[2007-08-24 12:49:59] - Paul: not that I wouldn't feel bad if an animal was tortured for weeks, but that I don't think I have any basic moral issues with the actual treatment to the animal. I think someone who did that might need serious therapy, or at the very least, I think it's a pretty important indicator about who they are as a person -dave
[2007-08-24 12:48:04] - Paul: For me, I'm not sure I have any issue with the cruelty to the animal - like you say, we kill animals all the time, and even tho certain ways may be more grotesque, it's still not all that different to me. The somewhat more valid concern to me is what that animal cruelty says about the people who performed it -dave
[2007-08-24 12:37:13] - Dave: I don't know, cruelty to animals certainly does not sit well with me. I just find it hard to pass judgement on animal cruelty when I somewhat passively condone it by my eating decisions. -Paul
[2007-08-24 12:24:11] - dave: To answer your question to Paul: I eat meat, I wasn't outraged, and I'm still not in favor of cruelty to animals. I just don't percieve anything immoral in it. Just not healthy/sane. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-24 12:18:30] - paul: yeah, but you weren't particularly outraged, were you? -dave
[2007-08-24 12:09:37] - Gurkie: I know you're probably not totally serious about everybody becoming vegetarian, but I do think it's a little hypocritical for most meat eaters (myself included) to be outraged by animal cruelty considering what is done to the animals we eat. -Paul
[2007-08-24 12:08:29] - Gurkie: From everything I've heard, the way cows and chickens which are raised to be food are killed is pretty brutal and not a quick and painless thing. -Paul
[2007-08-24 12:07:24] - a: I can't remember, did you think you were going to be able to make it to poker tonight? -Paul
[2007-08-24 11:49:55] - gurkie: I rarely eat living animals. Most of the time they're dead and heated. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-24 11:43:54] - the real solution is that we shouldnt kill animals. you should all become vegetarians like me! ~gurkie
[2007-08-24 11:43:12] - paul: okay so here is where my ignorance really comes into play, but do the animals get brutal deaths when people are eating them after? ~gurkie
[2007-08-24 11:11:00] - a: blowing it up is less cruel and less painful, but i still think it is more wrong - aaron
[2007-08-24 11:10:27] - a: well yeah but is it worse to hunt and kill an animal you need for food with like, a bow and arrow, or is it worse to blow it up for fun? - aaron
[2007-08-24 10:42:35] - title: Somebody else was watching Futurama last night, eh? -Paul
[2007-08-24 10:36:55] - I can see Sam's point. Isn't it a little odd that when we treat animals cruelly and give them a brutal death but eat them afterwards, it's ok, but it we don't eat them it's a punishable offense? -Paul
[2007-08-24 10:30:27] - gurkie: yeah, somehow they get off like that and paris hilton gets shafted -dave
[2007-08-24 09:39:55] - apparently Nicole Richie served 82 minutes of her 5 day jail sentence, and Lindsay Lohan received a 1 day jail sentence for 2 DUIs and coke posession (lawyer argued she didnt have enough coke on her for it to be a felony)... ~gurkie
[2007-08-24 09:38:21] - sam: dogfighting is definately more cruel. Based on the reason for the animal death, one is for continued life the other is for sadistic pleasure. (Im not biased or anything.) ~gurkie
[2007-08-24 09:37:33] - dave: with imprisonment for life the prisoners can still get off for good behavior. I think (and I could be wrong) that they often do not actually serve a full life sentence. Everyone appeals the death penalty multiple times, there are a lot less court/prosecution costs associated with life sentences... ~gurkie
[2007-08-24 08:29:44] - aaron: how could the level of cruelty involved be moot? which form of death would you prefer? instantly quick or hours long and blindingly painful? ~a
[2007-08-24 08:16:23] - i think the level of cruelty involved is moot, but hunger is an easier cause to justify than entertainment - aaron
[2007-08-24 05:06:11] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989037 Vick will not admit to killing dogs or gambling on dog fights. I guess he's only pleading guilty to the charge of interstate commerce for the purpose of dogfighting. -dave
[2007-08-24 05:04:59] - pierce: well you'd think there'd be the same legal process regardless of it it was imprisonment for life or execution, so why would imprisonment for life still be cheaper? -dave
[2007-08-24 00:05:21] - sam: I agree with a. Not only that, but I don't have a problem with killing for food, either in farming or hunting scenarios (as long as the killing is no more inhumane than necessary). Granted, the meat industry has a spotty record on that qualification in parenthesis, but the principle is there. - pierce
[2007-08-23 23:59:07] - sam: no. i think butchering and eating animals is far less cruel than torturing dogs for entertainment. ~a
[2007-08-23 23:52:26] - Personally, I don't think dogfighting is that horrible. Wouldn't butchering and eating animals seem more cruel, compared to dogfighting? - sam
[2007-08-23 21:11:14] - pierce: that is pretty neat. ~a
[2007-08-23 19:02:01] - dave: I thought the expenses of the death penalty were mostly related to the legal aspects; that there's an overwhelming appeals process that must be exhausted before the sentence is actually carried out. - pierce
[2007-08-23 18:49:56] - pierce: honestly, i don't understand how lethal injection can be all that expensive -dave
[2007-08-23 18:49:24] - pierce: i know, have them take a cyanide capsule, those can't be that expensive can they? -dave
[2007-08-23 18:48:52] - pierce: to me that just seems rather ridiculous that we spend that much to do it -dave
[2007-08-23 18:48:41] - pierce: i guess i was thinking about the fact that everyone argues that it costs less to imprison someone for life rather than execute them -dave
[2007-08-23 18:48:20] - pierce: heh, i never thought of it mutilating the body, how true. -dave
[2007-08-23 17:52:43] - http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/20070821aaa.html Some interesting depth chart changes for those who follow hokie football. -Paul
[2007-08-23 17:07:27] - vinnie: YAY! ~a
[2007-08-23 17:07:17] - jonathan frakes has two testicles until proven guilty. ~a
[2007-08-23 16:36:04] - a: sorry to hear it. I'll pick Slake in your honor - vinnie
[2007-08-23 16:13:58] - Jonathan Frakes has only one testicle {{fact|date=Aug 2007}}
[2007-08-23 16:09:25] - ddrpeople: i'm going to be at work until very late tonight.
~a[2007-08-23 15:36:13] - dave: ...and (3) it mutilates the corpse, which is pretty insensitive to the family of the deceased. - pierce
[2007-08-23 15:35:39] - dave: I assume you were being a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can think of three arguments against the guillotine: (1) its history is too caught up in its being a public spectacle of execution, (2) not that this would necessarily be a problem anymore, but there were many horror stories of guillotines jamming partway "through"... - pierce
[2007-08-23 15:13:01] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-SSu3tJ3ns this is very neat, especially the selective reductions later in the video. - pierce
[2007-08-23 15:12:26] - dave: I think if we're executing enough people that the cost of painless death adds up, then we have bigger problems than the money. - pierce
[2007-08-23 15:02:06] - pierce: or heck, wasn't the guillotine painless? that didn't cost much money to run did it? -dave
[2007-08-23 15:01:15] - pierce: honestly, i've never been a fan of "let's spend a mountain of cash so that the death penalty is painless" I mean, he did something bad enough to be killed, right? Why not spend the saved money on something like education, or welfare, or someone who's going to go on living? -dave
[2007-08-23 15:01:08] - It's a win/win situation. -Paul
[2007-08-23 15:00:35] - Instead of these dogs being a drain on our tax coffers, we could turn them into a benefit. If the dogs are going to be killed anyway, why not have them fight each other to the death? They could charge admission and actually make money on the dogs.
-Paul[2007-08-23 15:00:30] - nm, they are making an effort to see if the dogs can be given homes. I was listening about this story on the radio and it didn't sound like they were given a deadline and just going to be euthanized immediately. - mig
[2007-08-23 14:59:40] - mig: governments sponsor rodeos? -dave
[2007-08-23 14:58:42] - mig: well, they are professionals in this field. if the accepted wisdom is that fighting dogs can't be effectively rehabilitated, are you willing to have your tax dollars go to a lost cause? - pierce
[2007-08-23 14:54:32] - mig: Weird. I'll never understand baseball rules. -Paul
[2007-08-23 14:48:55] - paul: according to the rules if you pitch in relief for more than 3 innings after your team has secured the lead then you are eligible to get the save. - mig
[2007-08-23 14:41:20] - Jonathan Frakes has only one testicle {fact|date=Aug 2007}
[2007-08-23 14:41:01] - pierce: they could at least make an effort to see if the dogs could be rehabilitated rather than just put them down immediately. - mig
[2007-08-23 14:39:22] - sfm sounds good - aaron
[2007-08-23 14:29:07] - sfm? - get down, ddr people
[2007-08-23 13:57:35] - so it's either put them down, or leave them to die of starvation or exposure on the streets (where they're a public menace because of their violent tendencies). - pierce
[2007-08-23 13:56:22] - you guys being sarcastic about the euthanasia, do you really not see a difference between a quick death with minimal pain, and being lynched or drowned or electrocuted? it's basically impossible to rehabilitate them, and there's no one willing to pay to keep them alive... - pierce
[2007-08-23 13:30:13] - Xpovos: I was actually wondering that as well. He pitched three innings but still... -Paul
[2007-08-23 13:22:38] - My question is... how did Littleton get a save out of it? It was 14-3 after 7. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-23 13:20:50] - 100 Beat downs http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/070823&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines -- Xpovos
[2007-08-23 12:19:30] - also, it's ok when PETA kills animal in a similar fashion to what the government is going to do. - mig
[2007-08-23 12:17:42] - paul; oh silly boy, it's always ok when it's the government doing it. - mig
[2007-08-23 12:09:27] - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070823/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_dogs It's also a little amusing that so many people are outraged that Vick killed some dogs while the government is about to kill a bunch of his dogs themselves. -Paul
[2007-08-23 11:52:43] - vinnie: My former boss is friends with a cousin of his. Hence the rumor. Mostly wondered if anyone else had heard anything like this. My guess is the 'cousin' is probably lying. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-23 11:44:47] - title: huh? I googled it (at work, no less - probably not the best idea) and nothing came up - vinnie
[2007-08-23 11:15:16] - Dave: I've heard plenty about how cruel the rodeo is. That's still perfectly legal. -Paul
[2007-08-23 11:06:47] - blech, machete -dave
[2007-08-23 11:06:35] - about how you -dave
[2007-08-23 11:06:27] - pierce: and i don't think there's actually any rules about how kill something you're hunting. It's probably legal to go after the thing with a machet if you really wanted to. -dave
[2007-08-23 11:05:43] - pierce: and btw, hunting isn't always necessarily efficient - in fact it's rather inefficient. Think about fishing, it's more efficient to have a fish radar and scoop them all up with a net or something, but you fish for the sport of it, not the efficiency -dave
[2007-08-23 11:04:08] - pierce: i suppose the fighter has some choice as to whether he fights or not too -dave
[2007-08-23 11:03:32] - pierce: also, if you think about it, boxing and ultimate fighting is just as bad as dogfighting, the only difference would be the actual death of the animal -dave
[2007-08-23 11:01:22] - pierce: i suppose bull-fighting is also rather inhumane, is that legal here? -dave
[2007-08-23 11:00:45] - pierce: although, I do believe that the venerated sport of fox hunting was pretty unfriendly to the fox. They just chase it around forever before actually killing it -dave
[2007-08-23 10:59:48] - pierce: I was more agreeing with him that it's somewhat hypocritical, in the same vein as our "it would have been better if he had raped someone" comments -dave
[2007-08-23 10:59:14] - pierce: yeah i agree about it being different than hunting. That wasn't my comment, it was marbury's -dave
[2007-08-23 10:31:18] - gurkie: yes, webservers log that kind of stuff automagically. ~a
[2007-08-23 10:31:18] - a: Only if you put thumbnails up on this page so people cannot avoid them. -Paul
[2007-08-23 10:30:20] - paul: email them to me and i'll link them here. ~a
[2007-08-23 10:25:33] - aaron: "Even women should be able to beat it" - vinnie
[2007-08-23 10:01:16] - okay so i know very little about hunting for sport, somehow its not one of my favorite pasttimes... but my understanding is even when people do it for sport they keep the meat and eat it... ~gurkie
[2007-08-23 07:31:07] - http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=personal_technology&articleId=9032180&taxonomyId=165 atlus recalls arm-wrestling game - aaron
[2007-08-22 18:21:43] - to be clear though, I'm playing devil's advocate because I think the idea of hunting for sport is barbaric. I just think it's less barbaric in execution (pardon the term) than Vick's dogfighting. - pierce
[2007-08-22 18:19:59] - mig: I think it's a difference in intent and magnitude. hunting doesn't revel in the actual death of the creature, but the "chase" before it and the trophy afterwards. if that wasn't true, the sport of hunting would focus more on killing inefficiently for the entertainment of watching the prey die, rather than "clean" quick kills. - pierce
[2007-08-22 18:08:42] - pierce: hunting for sport is still killing for fun. i don't really see why one would be morally superior to another, and I do think it is a double standard to say hunting is ok but dogfighting is not. - mig
[2007-08-22 18:05:12] - pierce: i guess most traditional fuel sources would be electricity-based and get messed up underground in the cold weather? or 7 days of fuel would just take up too much space - aaron
[2007-08-22 17:58:25] - I'd assume most people "with a similar criminal history" have either the common sense or the professional advice to show proper respect to the court. - pierce
[2007-08-22 17:56:53] - but as I recall, there were reports of her showing up late to court and being generally dismissive of the whole thing, which would certainly impact the judge's sense of leeway. - pierce
[2007-08-22 17:53:49] - dave: regarding paris, I think I'm on the record saying I don't believe she deserved a harsher sentence just for being famous. whether that happened or not is arguable. her wiki page cites the LA times concluding that she got a harsher sentence than 80% of inmates "with a similar criminal history."... - pierce
[2007-08-22 17:50:53] - dave: I disagree. I'm no fan of hunting, but the point is ostensibly to kill the target instantly. dog fights are intended to injure or kill dogs in a gruesome spectacle; and the dogs that survive get the privilege of being maimed again and again until they start to perform poorly, at which point (in Vick's case) they were brutally and sadistically killed. - pierce
[2007-08-22 17:36:05] - are you telling me they had the technology to make a nuclear mine, but couldn't think of a way to keep something warm for a week besides live chickens? what am I missing here, why couldn't they just use a traditional fuel source? and don't say a lack of oxygen for combustion, because that would be a problem with the chicken idea as well. - pierce
[2007-08-22 17:31:59] - Blue Peacock the idea of tripping over a nuclear landmine makes me laugh for some reason. can anyone say overkill? - aaron
[2007-08-22 17:29:14] - to me i guess it's somewhat like the paris hilton case - it seems as if they get harsher penalties because everyone is watching. The price they pay for celebrity i suppose -dave
[2007-08-22 17:27:07] - stephon marbury on vick: "We don't say anything about people shooting deers and shooting other animals, you know what I mean? From what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors and I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down ... I think he fell into a bad situation." -dave
[2007-08-22 14:24:30] - a: Sure, where should I put it? -Paul
[2007-08-22 14:23:07] - a: who in the world was typing that? do you log that stuff?? (ip address of poster) ~gurkie
[2007-08-22 14:13:30] - wow, that's an unreadable sentence. ~a
[2007-08-22 14:13:19] - aaron: me too. there was a while a few years ago when firefox had a weird bug where the message board could grab keyboard focus even when you were in a different tab. ~a
[2007-08-22 14:12:07] - gurkie: no, i did what pierce told me to, so now google can't bother us anymore. that's an actual user. ~a
[2007-08-22 14:03:53] - a: is that google again? ~gurkie
[2007-08-22 13:52:16] - a: lol. i've gotten pretty close to typing google search strings in this box before - aaron
[2007-08-22 13:29:54] - i think he/she wants images of paul having sex. paul? do you have anything for him/her? ~a
[2007-08-22 13:17:26] - paul
[2007-08-22 13:17:06] - sex
[2007-08-22 13:16:51] - image
[2007-08-22 13:16:33] - image
[2007-08-22 09:48:09] - Aaron: We'll have to remember to go see it when it comes out. -Paul
[2007-08-22 08:01:50] - paul: i want to see it! - aaron
[2007-08-21 22:00:56] - Pierce: Interesting, I hadn't followed up on that bit, so--good to know. And no doubt others have been more tarnished beforehand, but he's by no means squeaky clean. E.g. imagine if this was Darrell Green we were talking about. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-21 20:00:31] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Luck_Chuck Looks like an interesting movie. Also, Jessica Alba = hot. -Paul
[2007-08-21 16:42:35] - Actually, I think there isn't a huge difference between how I appeal to women and how I would like to appeal to women. I just wish women were looking for different things in men.
-Paul[2007-08-21 16:37:54] - Stupid enter key. -Paul
[2007-08-21 16:37:44] - : I'm well aware of the difference between how I appeal to women and how I want to.
-Paul[2007-08-21 16:37:30] - Gurkie
[2007-08-21 16:22:54] - pierce: Cat Deeley uses guys to refer to groups of women all the time. i think "guys" works well. - aaron
[2007-08-21 16:18:23] - pierce: i don't think there is one single word that fulfills the same exact function. i think the territory is covered by different words, depending on the situation. i think i generally use "girls," "ladies," or "women." "girls' night out." "women's clothing." "hey ladies." *shrug* -amy
[2007-08-21 16:15:05] - paul: like you appeal to them or like you WANT to appeal to them? (i kinda doubt he wants to appeal to them like you appeal to them...)~gurkie
[2007-08-21 16:13:26] - pierce: I tend to say... the girls, if you are referring to a group of females and dont want to seem like they are young ladies can be sincere or women. ~gurkie
[2007-08-21 15:52:03] - Pierce: You don't want to appeal to the honeys like I do?
-Paul[2007-08-21 15:51:25] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000687.html?hpid=sec-tech Paramount switches to HD-DVD -Paul
[2007-08-21 15:49:37] - (no offense) - pierce
[2007-08-21 15:49:26] - anyone besides paul. - pierce
[2007-08-21 15:42:24] - Pierce: Chicks? Honeys?
-Paul[2007-08-21 15:32:31] - can anyone think of a word to describe a group of women that fills the same role as "guys"? "gals" seems antiquated and vaguely diminuitive, "girls" makes it seem like I'm talking to children, and "ladies" is either too formal or too sarcastic. - pierce
[2007-08-21 15:29:41] - xpovos: according to the wiki page, both vick and the bottle tested negative for drugs. doesn't seem like that much qualifies as tarnishing his reputation, compared to tyson (who had been arrested 38 times by the time he was 13) - pierce
[2007-08-21 15:24:43] - pierce: There was also the smuggling drugs in his water bottle discovered at the airport scandal. Plus he was impinged a little bit by Marcus' varied bad behavior as well. -- Xpovos
[2007-08-21 14:58:57] - mig: for example? the wiki page just mentions an STD scandal that I didn't even hear about, and him flipping the double deuce to the crowd at one game. I remember rumors and stuff while he was at tech, but nothing that was significantly substantiated. - pierce
[2007-08-21 14:44:48] - hey if anybody is bored at work, help my friend and fill out this survey: http://travistubbs.overview.sgizmo.com/ he wants to start a company and needs some info. pass along to others, too, if you wish .) -amy
[2007-08-21 14:27:41] - pierce: well, Vick's life has not been really all that clean at least not recently (there were a couple of incidents before the dogfighting thing). - mig
[2007-08-21 14:23:01] - to an extent, couldn't that be a result of Vick having a pretty "clean" image until now? Tyson's personal life was already kind of a mess, so maybe people were less shocked by the rape. - pierce
[2007-08-21 14:10:36] - I can't really see the same thing ever happening for Vick. - mig
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