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[2001-03-15 14:56:00] - http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39736a752772.htm Take a look about 1/5 the way down the page. -paul
[2001-03-15 14:55:00] - go here http://www.greenparty.org/Platform.html#7 , read about max income -jdb
[2001-03-15 14:54:00] - http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003hHJ Take a look at the second question / answer. -paul
[2001-03-15 14:49:00] - http://homepage.mac.com/construction/iMovieTheater2.html -jdb
[2001-03-15 14:49:00] - http://homepage.mac.com/construction/iMovieTheater3.html -jdb
[2001-03-15 14:47:00] - It's something nader said awhile ago and he gave it up when he decided to run for president with the greens. -paul
[2001-03-15 14:46:00] - No, Nader had said this before he was a presidential candidate but it was not something he included in his presidential canditate issues thing, I'll try to find the quote somewhere. -paul
[2001-03-15 14:31:00] - of course. no taxes period would be the best solution, but that'll never happen. - mig
[2001-03-15 14:25:00] - ok, ok, i get it. it's just some rumor they spread about nader - mig
[2001-03-15 14:23:00] - i went to a debate last fall on campus. a person representing college republicans brought up the 100% argument. the green reps had never heard of it before. -jdb
[2001-03-15 14:22:00] - progressive taxes rule!
- aba[2001-03-15 14:22:00] - https://ticketing.ticketmaster.com/cgi/purchasePage.asp?event_id=1500326698F652A0&event_code=ENT0524E
[2001-03-15 14:21:00] - and i'd also prefer equal percentage taxes to progressive taxes. - mig
[2001-03-15 14:20:00] - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010315/od/witchdoctor_dc_1.html
[2001-03-15 14:15:00] - once again, this was just something i heard. ask paul where he heard it. - mig
[2001-03-15 14:08:00] - http://www.votenader.com/issues/tax.html this page says nothing about a taxation system like that. just progressive taxes. - aba
[2001-03-15 14:07:00] - yeah, i heard about the snoop's porn movie. at least the music won't suck - mig
[2001-03-15 14:04:00] - no, it's just something i heard about nader. - mig
[2001-03-15 13:59:00] - http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/03/15/snoop/index.html -jdb
[2001-03-15 13:58:00] - that's supposed to read: at 100 k -jdb
[2001-03-15 13:57:00] - i've never read anything about taxing 100 percent of income over x amount... but lots of people sure seem to say he did (@$100k). do you have a reference? -jdb
[2001-03-15 11:59:00] - http://www.themusictank.com/#newsitem984578607,17069, god dammit! does this stupidity *never* end. - mig
[2001-03-15 11:56:00] - I don't disagree with his facts, I disagree with his solutions -paul
[2001-03-15 11:54:00] - i misread it. sorry. - mig
[2001-03-15 11:51:00] - everything he says on that page is pretty much the truth. so what are you guys disagreeing with? - aba
[2001-03-15 11:50:00] - http://www.votenader.com/issues/gender-issues.html i don't understand how exactly he is demonizing males here. women *are* traditionally harrassed more, paid less, etc, etc. - aba
[2001-03-15 11:47:00] - Reminds me of that Simpsons episode: "Men." "BOOOOOOO!!!!!" -paul
[2001-03-15 11:34:00] - you never saw m.l.k. going "ALL white people are evil!" - mig
[2001-03-15 11:34:00] - and just for the record i advocate equal rights for women. i just don't advocate demonizing all males as their justification. - mig
[2001-03-15 11:28:00] - i guess it's the only 2 things that i disagree with. i's just every time i hear him talk he kind of comes across a as crazy man. - mig
[2001-03-15 11:20:00] - he's also an extreme feminist. the "bad" kind of feminsit. - mig
[2001-03-15 11:15:00] - e.g. taxing 100 percent of income over x amount. - mig
[2001-03-15 10:39:00] - mig: what nader issues don't make sense to you? -jdb
[2001-03-15 01:55:00] - dammit - mig
[2001-03-15 01:55:00] - wow. something from nader that makes perfect sense. - mg
[2001-03-15 00:48:00] - Miguel: http://www.votenader.com/issues/guncontrol.html Nader's stance on gun control -paul
[2001-03-14 22:25:00] - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010314/ts/food_cocacola_dc_7.html
[2001-03-14 21:49:00] - Now Paul, that's not nice, we should respect our visitor, he did, after all, present an alternative to Bush and Gore. Let's pick a few softballs for him first, and then pop him with the big ones. -- Xpovos
[2001-03-14 21:22:00] - Sweet.... time to visit www.votenader.com for ammo.... -paul
[2001-03-14 19:24:00] - yeah... according to the head of the speakers committee, he might take questions for up to an hour - boing
[2001-03-14 18:37:00] - i went to his last talk (I believe during the 98-99 school year), and he answered bunches of questions.
-jdb[2001-03-14 17:44:00] - I saw an advertisement in the Collegiate Times that said he is going to take questions from the audience
-paul[2001-03-14 17:41:00] - i am stupid. for some reason i thought it was today and not two weeks from now.
- aba[2001-03-14 16:15:00] - Josh: I would do a study abroad except since I can't afford to not work over the summer and I don't have the money to study abroad -paul
[2001-03-14 16:11:00] - You should go get tickets as soon as possible, they are free for Tech students and there were a lot of people getting more then one when I got mine -paul
[2001-03-14 14:39:00] - i thought nader was on the 28th ~a
[2001-03-14 13:06:00] - http://www.brunching.com/features/lovenaturequiz.html
[2001-03-14 08:04:00] - how about dinner at 6 and then ralph nader at 7? IM me if you're interested. - aba
[2001-03-14 07:38:00] - yuck. the a-team would never be the same with new people.
- aba[2001-03-14 03:37:00] - http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/ateam.html - jdb
[2001-03-14 03:21:00] - paul: do a study abroad! -jdb
[2001-03-14 02:20:00] - I know Lisa wants to do both this summer - boing
[2001-03-14 02:20:00] - kd and zoo - boing
[2001-03-14 02:12:00] - i know not everyone wants to go, but who would? - mi
[2001-03-14 02:10:00] - ozzfest? - mig
[2001-03-14 00:54:00] - kd or zoo ~a
[2001-03-14 00:15:00] - Does anyone have any suggestions for some fun things to do over Summer Break? -paul
[2001-03-13 23:38:00] - What does this discussion list do? -paul
[2001-03-13 22:16:00] - How is that funny? -- Xpovos
[2001-03-13 21:44:00] - http://www.plif.com/thisweek/thisweek.htm -jdb
[2001-03-13 21:15:00] - yuck. wonder why they chose him of all people to talk about christianity . . . . - aba
[2001-03-13 21:01:00] - http://www.iagreewith.com/wwwboard/messages/642.html - dave thinks the world is only 1000's of years old
[2001-03-13 21:01:00] - "I've often wondered how we can see light from stars millions of light years away if in fact we are only 1000's of years old" ~a
[2001-03-13 20:55:00] - http://www.geocities.com/freeatvt/ sign up for the discussion list at the very least.
- aba[2001-03-13 20:54:00] - http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/03/08/fp3s1-csm.shtml
[2001-03-13 20:52:00] - http://www.democrats.org/news/releases/rel031101.html
[2001-03-13 20:43:00] - I'm glad to see no one is defending Macs. -- Xpovos
[2001-03-13 16:39:00] - I heard about one incident where someone hid an infected needle in a seat at a movie theater... it's kinda scary... I mean, do you check seats before you sit down? - boing
[2001-03-13 16:38:00] - Macs suck! -- Xpovos
[2001-03-13 16:25:00] - http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_std_answers?cookie=afread&lm=984508705
[2001-03-13 16:13:00] - I'd heard stories about people robbing supermarkets with stunts like that, just never anything like a mugging. -- Xpovos
[2001-03-13 16:12:00] - http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_std_answers?cookie=slashdot&lm=984505257
[2001-03-13 15:55:00] - yay
- aba[2001-03-13 15:46:00] - I understand your point. I suppose it is rather clever of them -paul
[2001-03-13 15:40:00] - i am not sure if that really explained what i meant well enough . . . i hope you kind of understand. - aba
[2001-03-13 15:39:00] - i think it is because you can survive through a gun or knife wound, but hiv and aids are pretty much life long ailments (with our current medical technology). - aba
[2001-03-13 15:07:00] - That's not any smarter then muggers carrying a gun or a knife -paul
[2001-03-13 15:05:00] - <a href=http://www.yahoo.com/?test&test>http://www.altavista.com/?test&test</a>
[2001-03-13 12:54:00] - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010313/od/muggers_dc_1.html smartsmart muggers. i hope i don't meet anyone like that.
- aba[2001-03-13 12:29:00] - http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_std_answers?cookie=linux
[2001-03-13 12:20:00] - why do i watch crappy tv shows?
- aba[2001-03-13 12:14:00] - Yeah, New York is already screwed over as it is (went for Gore, Hillary as Senator, democrats outnumber republicans 4-1) so they might as well go all the way
-paul[2001-03-13 12:10:00] - clinton would be better than a lot of the candidates . . . . - aba
[2001-03-13 12:05:00] - well, clinton would be better than guiliani
[2001-03-13 11:48:00] - http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_std_answers?cookie=pursue
[2001-03-13 11:46:00] - http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/12/newyork.clinton.reut/index.html -jdb
[2001-03-13 11:42:00] - http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_std_answers?cookie=americans
[2001-03-13 11:16:00] - http://www.earthliberationfront.com/main.shtml
[2001-03-13 11:08:00] - actually you do pay taxes on internet purchases. - mig
[2001-03-13 11:07:00] - http://www.self-gov.org/good/a0329.html
[2001-03-13 11:04:00] - http://www.self-gov.org/good/a0350.html
[2001-03-13 11:01:00] - http://www.votenader.com/issues/tax.html
[2001-03-13 10:56:00] - @@@/pics/buddychrist.jpg: Fuck you, Adrian
[2001-03-13 10:55:00] - "even though the message board cut off the end" cut what off the end?
~a[2001-03-13 10:52:00] - "If it doesn't make sense, you must find for the defense" haha johnnie cochrane is at it again! - mig
[2001-03-13 10:49:00] - yay!
[2001-03-13 10:48:00] - http://truemeaningoflife.com/wisdom.php?topid=14824 (for Iron Chef fans) - boing
[2001-03-13 10:42:00] - that's cool, the link works even though the message board cut off the end
[2001-03-13 10:41:00] - http://truemeaningoflife.com/wisdom.php?topid=14745&responses=1
[2001-03-13 10:21:00] - http://truemeaningoflife.com/wisdom.php?topid=14410
[2001-03-13 10:00:00] - http://truemeaningoflife.com/wisdom.php?topid=14210 haha! funnyfunny tmol.
[2001-03-13 09:54:00] - http://www.salon.com/sex/world/2001/03/13/slap/index.html
[2001-03-13 09:16:00] - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010309/od/borg_dc_1.html meh. how apropos.
[2001-03-13 09:11:00] - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010312/od/saatchi_dc_1.html
[2001-03-13 09:10:00] - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010312/od/peacock_dc_1.html
[2001-03-13 08:57:00] - http://somethingawful.efront.com/inserts/news/images/lowtaxfragmasterlog.txt
[2001-03-13 08:54:00] - http://somethingawful.efront.com/jeffk/jeffbezzos/ read the previous link first - aba
[2001-03-13 08:53:00] - http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-5015044.html?tag=mn_hd haha! - aba
[2001-03-13 02:51:00] - very well i will sleep too.-mig
[2001-03-13 02:51:00] - i still don't accept the pizza argument. they're not the same thing. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:50:00] - I'm sorry, goodnight -paul
[2001-03-13 02:50:00] - Anyway, I am tired and beginning to repeat myself, I need sleep. -paul
[2001-03-13 02:49:00] - Is that the fair way to do it? Since I have more money, I should pay for 90% of the pizza, even though I only eat a few slices? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:49:00] - It doesn't matter if the financial burden is the same, it goes back to the pizza. Should I pay more because I have more money in my wallet? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:48:00] - You don't charge people based on how much you think they can pay, you charge them based on what they owe -paul
[2001-03-13 02:48:00] - but the finicial burden is the same. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:47:00] - besides, i think the end result is probably what's more important in this case. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:47:00] - Because charging people more because they are rich is not fair! -paul
[2001-03-13 02:47:00] - It would not be fair, and I don't see how a flat fee makes this country dedicated to a select few -paul
[2001-03-13 02:47:00] - i guess. but i still don't see how it's unfair. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:46:00] - True, but that doesn't make it fair. I am tired right now and I want to go to sleep. Can we continue this tomorrow maybe? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:46:00] - isn't this why this country was founded? for individuals and not a select few. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:46:00] - isn't this why this country was founded? for individuals and not a select few. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:45:00] - and it would be fair because the individual burden is equal. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:44:00] - personally i don't think taxes should be a big deal to people. if you make it a flat percentage of one's income, then it's a big deal to no one - mig
[2001-03-13 02:42:00] - Because you are always going to have people who can't pay, how do you deal with them? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:42:00] - Yes, actually. It isn't pretty. -paul
[2001-03-13 02:41:00] - Once you order the pizza, you are obligated to pay. ust like living in the US obligates you to pay taxes -paul
[2001-03-13 02:41:00] - ever think about the consequences of a system like this? - mig
[2001-03-13 02:40:00] - once again, me choosing to pay a bill for pizza is not the same as the government forcing me to pay money to them. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:38:00] - You guys forcing me to pay my fair share of the pizza bill is denying me the money I need to buy my new computer. That's pretty mean of you -paul
[2001-03-13 02:37:00] - Just because they refuse to make unfair concessions to them doesn't mean the government is denying them anything -paul
[2001-03-13 02:35:00] - the government can't deny those people to do that, which is what your system does. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:35:00] - Hell, a communism is much more efficient at making sure poor people can climb the ladder -paul
[2001-03-13 02:34:00] - If that is so, then welfare is a much more efficient system -paul
[2001-03-13 02:34:00] - Who said it was the government's job to help people to climb the financial ladder? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:34:00] - or flat fee, or whatever you want to call it. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:33:00] - with the flat tax i mean. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:33:00] - yes, but who is denying this to these people. - the g-o-v-e-r-n-m-e-n-t.! - mig
[2001-03-13 02:32:00] - Or a company's refusal to hire me. Both are true, but are they considered mean? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:32:00] - I could say that a college's refusal to admit me denies me my right to move up the financial ladder -paul
[2001-03-13 02:31:00] - Scholastic Applitude Test or whatever -paul
[2001-03-13 02:30:00] - Damn lack of caps.... I meant the s.a.t.s -paul
[2001-03-13 02:30:00] - It doesn't deny them that chance anymore then saying that the SATs deny people that chance -paul
[2001-03-13 02:29:00] - Although my justification for it is that it is fair.... so you have a point -paul
[2001-03-13 02:29:00] - but people who live in this country are entitled to move up in the finicial ladder, your system denies some people that chance. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:28:00] - I am trying to show that it is fair -paul
[2001-03-13 02:28:00] - I am not trying to justify it right now -paul
[2001-03-13 02:28:00] - You could order something cheaper (go to a different country) -paul
[2001-03-13 02:28:00] - and i don't see how you can justify a system that is mean. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:27:00] - I could say, though, that living in the United States is like ordering a pizza. You have to pay the bill when it comes or else you are in trouble -paul
[2001-03-13 02:26:00] - You are arguing that my system is mean (which it is). I am just trying to say it is fair -paul
[2001-03-13 02:25:00] - if i can't afford a pizza, i can buy something else that's cheaper. if i can't afford taxes, what the fuck am i supposed to do, go to another country? - mig
[2001-03-13 02:24:00] - How is it different? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:23:00] - It would make no sense if someone had to pay more just because they had more money -paul
[2001-03-13 02:23:00] - paul it's not the same! - mig
[2001-03-13 02:23:00] - How about this then: when we order pizza, do we pay the bill based on who has the most money in their wallet? No, we pay equal amounts -paul
[2001-03-13 02:23:00] - doing drugs is a personal choice. one's finicial status is not always one's choice. - mgi
[2001-03-13 02:22:00] - I'm not trying to justify it right now, I am just trying to say that a flat fee is fair -paul
[2001-03-13 02:21:00] - So is allowing drugs to be legal and letting kids ruin their lives by getting addicted to cocaine -paul
[2001-03-13 02:21:00] - how can you justify hurting the poor vs. a tad inconvience to the rich. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:20:00] - pual, that really is cold-hearted. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:20:00] - Two wrongs do not make a right -paul
[2001-03-13 02:19:00] - Making taxes unfair to make up for life's unfairness is not the way to go -paul
[2001-03-13 02:19:00] - Life isn't fair, we take what we get and make the best of it -paul
[2001-03-13 02:19:00] - Is it fair that I can't buy a new computer? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:18:00] - No, a flat fee would be fair but it would hurt the poor more then the current system does -paul
[2001-03-13 02:18:00] - but that way do the poor stay poor because they are overly burdened by taxes, and hence stuck as poor for life. is that fair? - mig
[2001-03-13 02:17:00] - I don't have enough money to buy a new computer right now, so is it unfair that a rich person does have money to buy a new computer? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:16:00] - I am assuming almost equal use of services, therefore the bill would be the same for everyone -paul
[2001-03-13 02:16:00] - See, I think you can (using my definition of fair that is). What could be more fair then simply charging everyone the same? -paul
[2001-03-13 02:15:00] - personally it's probably better if the rich pay a tad bit more, than having the poor stay poor. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:15:00] - but here's the problem. you cannot make a tax scheme that is fair to everyone. hence, there are some tradeoffs you have to make. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:13:00] - Right, which is why I see it as a bill and not charity -paul
[2001-03-13 02:13:00] - that's the thing paul. the government is forcing everyone to pay taxes. and if you don't you go to jail- mig
[2001-03-13 02:12:00] - I see taxes more as a bill. This is what you pay for living in the US and using our services (national defense, roads etc) -paul
[2001-03-13 02:12:00] - A flat tax would put the same percentage on everyone -paul
[2001-03-13 02:11:00] - it's an oxymoron. but really ins't that what taxes are? - mig
[2001-03-13 02:11:00] - Yeah, we have a progressive tax where the rich are taxed a higher percentage then the poor right now -paul
[2001-03-13 02:11:00] - You can't force someone to contribute, and mandatory charity is almost an oxymoron -paul
[2001-03-13 02:10:00] - you mean flat tax. progressive is what we have now. no? ~a
[2001-03-13 02:10:00] - Yeah, I think Miguel is advocating what is typically called the flat tax -paul
[2001-03-13 02:10:00] - think of taxes as "mandatory charity". those who make more are expected to contribute a little more. - mig
[2001-03-13 02:09:00] - I know, but the rich would still be paying more money with a progressive tax then the poor -paul
[2001-03-13 02:09:00] - that is the flat tax, no? ~a
[2001-03-13 02:09:00] - Nope, but you can't likewise say that all poor people are hard-workers just trying to move up the ladder and all rich people are lazy slobs who burn money for fun -paul
[2001-03-13 02:09:00] - i'm not talking about the progressive tax paul. i'm just talking about taking one percentage, and applying it to everyone - mig
[2001-03-13 02:08:00] - Something can't be fairer to some specific group, otherwise it isn't fair by definition -paul
[2001-03-13 02:08:00] - yes, but can you make that generalization about every single person in the us? - mig
[2001-03-13 02:08:00] - I mean fair in the absolute sense. -paul
[2001-03-13 02:07:00] - The rich basically fund 90% of our government -paul
[2001-03-13 02:07:00] - By total burden, I mean that there is a financial burden on all citizens to support the government. The way our tax code works, that burden falls almost entirely on the rich -paul
[2001-03-13 02:06:00] - "the question for me is which is fairer" . . . fairer to whom? ~a
[2001-03-13 02:06:00] - Maybe the rich person has worked twice as hard and has saved his money for retirement, whereas the poor person is lazy and spends money as soon as he gets it -paul
[2001-03-13 02:06:00] - and is till don't know what you mean by "total burden." - mig
[2001-03-13 02:05:00] - No, I'm saying it's not fair for the government to force somebody to pay more money in taxes just because he has more -paul
[2001-03-13 02:04:00] - so you're saying it's fair for the people who make less money to have to pay more of what they make in taxes, thereby ensuring they stay where they are and not permitted to move up? - mig
[2001-03-13 02:04:00] - and define fair. ~a
[2001-03-13 02:03:00] - If we wanted what was better for everyone, then it would be communism without a doubt -paul
[2001-03-13 02:03:00] - Individual burden is very important, but the question for me is which is fairer -paul
[2001-03-13 02:02:00] - how? i'm still not seeing what you're getting at? - mig
[2001-03-13 02:02:00] - and i think the individual burden is very important, don't you? ~a
[2001-03-13 02:02:00] - Agreed. But the total burden to support the government is being spread equally there. The individual burden on the poor person may be more -paul
[2001-03-13 02:01:00] - the poor person is paying more of what he has ~a
[2001-03-13 02:01:00] - but it is not spread equally when a rich person pays the same as a poor person ~a
[2001-03-13 02:00:00] - The financial burden to run the government should be spread equally to all citizens -paul
[2001-03-13 01:59:00] - Well, when I say burden, I mean the burden of running the government -paul
[2001-03-13 01:59:00] - the same amount of money is a different burden depending on how much money they already have. that makes the flat fee inherently unequal in that regard. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:58:00] - how so? - mig
[2001-03-13 01:57:00] - I disagree with that part, the burden should be spread equally, and a flat fee would do that where a percentage would not -paul
[2001-03-13 01:57:00] - Whoops. I misunderstood that
-paul[2001-03-13 01:56:00] - Exactly -paul
[2001-03-13 01:56:00] - if it's an insignificant portion of a rich person's income it should be an insignificant portion of a middle-class person's income - mig
[2001-03-13 01:54:00] - but for the people that do pay, it's a finicial "burden" of somewhat, and that burden needs to be treated somewhat equally. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:53:00] - Right, and there is no real way to force people to pay when they can't -paul
[2001-03-13 01:52:00] - dammit - mig
[2001-03-13 01:52:00] - the problem with taxes though is that it's not something like an electric bill or something. it's something that eveyrone(in theory) <i>has</o> to pay - mig
[2001-03-13 01:49:00] - The problem is making it small enough so that everyone can pay and yet big enough so government can run off the money gotten -paul
[2001-03-13 01:47:00] - It just seems to me that the fairest way would be to have everyone pay a flat fee and that is the end of it -paul
[2001-03-13 01:47:00] - Right, which is why it's hard to justify having people pay according to usage -paul
[2001-03-13 01:47:00] - military, law enforcement, fire fighters, roads, dmv, etc. etc. etc. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:45:00] - plus their are other services that the government spends on that everyone uses or is serviced by - mig
[2001-03-13 01:45:00] - Yeah, I dunno.... It's one of those things I haven't worked out in my perfect idea of a government yet -paul
[2001-03-13 01:44:00] - theoritically the group that use the services can't pay the taxes for it on their own. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:43:00] - yeah, but if you do it that way you make that person dependent on the system for life pretty much - mig
[2001-03-13 01:41:00] - Yeah.... I just think it's a bit unfair that the people who use the least amount of government services always end up paying the most taxes -paul
[2001-03-13 01:40:00] - yes, i will also admit your point would be good if the flat fee is something so small that no one would be burdoned by it, but we both know if it ever came to that it wouldn't be something small - mig
[2001-03-13 01:40:00] - Foo. You are back at #1
-paul[2001-03-13 01:39:00] - I mean, your point as being the better one. -paul
[2001-03-13 01:38:00] - As I said before, it's a weak belief of mine and I am perfectly willing to acknowledge your point for now -paul
[2001-03-13 01:37:00] - yeah. you and your flat fee. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:36:00] - Except for minor stuff about taxes
-paul[2001-03-13 01:36:00] - Alrighty then -paul
[2001-03-13 01:36:00] - besides what's to debate about. we agree. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:35:00] - i don't care about your rain. i think i've overtaken dave in the overall statistics, so that's all i care about right now - mig
[2001-03-13 01:35:00] - Hehehehe, care to debate more Miguel or are you willing to let my reign at #1 continue? -paul
[2001-03-13 01:34:00] - oh well good night. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:33:00] - oh well... night - boing
[2001-03-13 01:33:00] - good night pierce -paul
[2001-03-13 01:33:00] - "it should be that one's voice etc..." it shouldn't be made legal to kill oneself as a political statement, it should be made easier to express oneself in other ways. we are not china - boing
[2001-03-13 01:33:00] - damn you paul, you beat me to it! - mig
[2001-03-13 01:32:00] - what about the buddhists monks that burned themselves in public. that's one pretty powerful statement. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:31:00] - good night, everyone - boing
[2001-03-13 01:31:00] - Those Buddhist priests in China thought otherwise, as did those in Vietnam awhile ago -paul
[2001-03-13 01:31:00] - i dunno... I'm tired of thinking now
[2001-03-13 01:31:00] - don't get us wrong pierce, it's definitely not something we would want to encourage people to do. but if someone truly desires his life to end, who are we to say otherwise. - mig
[2001-03-13 01:30:00] - and as for a political statement, it should be that one's voice can be heard in the political system without killing oneself... that way one's beliefs can be reheard later - boing
[2001-03-13 01:30:00] - Some people can have long periods of depression... but that gets into drugs that alter behavior and such -paul
[2001-03-13 01:29:00] - religion, maybe... I hadn't really thought about that - boing
[2001-03-13 01:28:00] - depression is a mental condition which can be treated, and it's also very fleeting as mental conditions go. people may want to kill themselvess over it, but I don't think it's sane to do so - boing
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