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[2009-09-03 16:02:28] - http://www.dontevenreply.com/index.php funny stuff -sam
[2009-09-03 15:33:46] - stephen, pick a color. ~a
[2009-09-03 14:59:02] - mig: What'd you get? - Stephen
[2009-09-03 13:55:49] - oh i see. digital as opposed to what? i'm sure there are other ways of pulling off such a massage but i think i'll leave it at that. ~a
[2009-09-03 13:53:46] - a: i was wondering if thats what they meant but I figured if that was their meaning the word digital was extraneous... and obvious... so I figured that word was supposed to add meaning and must means something different ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 13:47:50] - gurkie: "digit" has more than one meaning. one meaning is "finger" (or "toe" or any end of a limb). so a digital massage is a massage with fingers. a digital rectal massage . . . well you get the picture. ~a
[2009-09-03 13:43:49] - aaron: I dont get it... how can a massage be digital? ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 13:41:46] - mig: congrats on the new car, I saw it this am and like it a lot! ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 13:25:24] - pierce: it doesn't say. for all i know it could be 2/2. still not a very convincing figure. but hilarious regardless. ~a
[2009-09-03 12:35:56] - sounds like ill pass on setting something up ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 12:27:01] - gurkie: out of town this weekend, sorry... seconding what aaron said though, I'd be in some other time. - pierce
[2009-09-03 12:26:39] - a: two people out of how many who have tried it? - pierce
[2009-09-03 12:21:55] - lol. and it's sourced by the nih. but it appears there are only two people that it has ever worked on. wikipedia skips over that fact. ~a
[2009-09-03 12:18:42] - Hiccups "digital rectal massage has been recommended as a remedy that causes immediate cessation of hiccups". that is all - aaron
[2009-09-03 11:43:28] - this weekend i'm booked. next weekend i could go, but like you said it'll be after labor day. ~a
[2009-09-03 11:22:22] - aaron: I think a lot of water related places/activities close after labor day but I could be wrong. ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 11:21:25] - gurkie: sounds fun but i've got electronica fest on saturday and a sketchbook thing on sunday
maybe another time, i do like tubing! - aaron[2009-09-03 11:12:18] - also I cant do saturday, so it would have to be sunday unless of course you took my idea and ran with it without me ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 11:11:49] - Through river rapids rafting is about 60 and tubing is about 27. Both are white water and are class 1-3 according to the site. ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 11:11:10] - so I had a random last minute thought, but would anyone be interested in going tubing/rafting this weekend? I am not interested in driving super far away though so I was thinking Harper's Ferry where the rapids arent as impressive as some other places. I would be willing to drive further if it was much better and not much more ... ~gurkie
[2009-09-03 08:34:11] - I imagined it as being like Crank but he has to say "fuck" instead - vinnie
[2009-09-03 08:33:19] - aaron: er not about "it's easy mmkay", about the fuck movie - vinnie
[2009-09-03 08:32:56] - aaron: yeah you and I had the exact same thought process - vinnie
[2009-09-03 08:28:09] - also i was trying to figure out why i've had "it's easy mmkay" stuck in my head for the past three days... it's this stupid title! grrrr - aaron
[2009-09-03 08:27:01] - vinnie: i was disappointed it was a documentary! i thought it was really funny when the #1 spot was taken by a movie called "fuck", i was hoping it would have a funnier premise - aaron
[2009-09-02 22:09:43] - yeah, 2 uses per minute is pretty crazy especially when you consider that the dialog is like only 1/2 of the movie. it's really probably like 2 fucks per sentence. ~a
[2009-09-02 21:21:30] - hm a documentary on the word "fuck". I suppose that makes sense. I can't believe I've seen movies that use the word 200+ times. that's really ridiculous when you think about it - vinnie
[2009-09-02 20:50:43] - a: I'd say Goodfellas was beter than Godfather. Summer of Sam was pretty bad. -- Xpovos
[2009-09-02 18:45:36] - goodfellas was ok too but parts of it were pretty boring in the same way that the godfather can get boring at times. ~a
[2009-09-02 18:44:26] - aaron: see reservoir dogs. it's a non-traditional movie. ~a
[2009-09-02 18:43:25] - aaron: link fixed. my bad. ~a
[2009-09-02 18:23:06] - xpovos: i've seen casino, and after that ... nothing until pulp fiction
i thought south park would be higher on the list. - aaron[2009-09-02 18:14:41] - aaron: Weird. Not so much the list, the existence of which is amusing; (see the page for nil by mouth, more 'pedia humor there) but because of the movies listed, most are ones I've seen or are high on my 'to see' list. Statistically relevent to something. -- Xpovos
[2009-09-02 17:52:30] - List of films that most frequently use the word "fuck" - aaron
[2009-09-02 17:08:35] - Stephen: Damn! I was hoping you would take the Austria -> Italy -> Germany -> Russia -> Yorkshire route. -Paul
[2009-09-02 17:05:17] - Paul: Whatever. Haven't you noticed that my path to Yorkshire goes through France? - Stephen
[2009-09-02 17:04:13] - Stephen: Oh! Hi... Stephen... -Paul
[2009-09-02 17:04:03] - Bryan: So we're on for back-stabbing Stephen this turn? -Paul
[2009-09-02 17:00:45] - I shouldn't have de-lurked. I was hoping to catch someone preparing to backstab me. - Stephen
[2009-09-02 16:57:50] - i update the wiki with cool places i want to go biking, and snowboarding, and other fun stuff. mostly the maps are for me to decide where i want to go next since i usually make the plans. ~a
[2009-09-02 16:56:49] - a: I was looking at the gmap and got confused, I dont really know either ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 16:55:51] - gurkie: i don't know. ~a
[2009-09-02 16:52:23] - a: also I thought Dee moved in with Dewey is that wrong?? ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 16:50:26] - a: you update your wiki a LOT! Well a lot more tnan I would have expected anyway ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 16:49:56] - Stephen: plane tickets are expensive... pick something else ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 16:45:06] - a: Thanks! For my birthday present, I'd like everyone to help me to get to Yorkshire. - Stephen
[2009-09-02 16:41:01] - stephen! happy late birthday. ~a
[2009-09-02 16:40:42] - Stephen: That would be about as impressive as what Aaron was trying to accomplish last game (I believe it was his army in Bulgaria which was trying to move there). -Paul
[2009-09-02 16:40:23] - stephen: welcome ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 16:39:12] - My in game goal is to land an army in Yorkshire. I will stop at nothing to achieve it. - Stephen
[2009-09-02 16:36:25] - paul: nooooo my stalemate line
- aaron[2009-09-02 16:36:00] - gurkie: and partially because of those other reasons you gave yes - aaron
[2009-09-02 16:35:40] - Aaron: And you're just mad because I finally broke the stalemate in the Iberian peninsula and will inevitably have both Portugal and Spain despite you saying it was impossible. -Paul
[2009-09-02 16:35:39] - gurkie: i have an army in yorkshire... because of my cunning - aaron
[2009-09-02 16:32:18] - aaron: not to sound dumb but do you have an army in yorkshire becuase you guys restarted and your england? ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 16:28:24] - paul: you're just upset because after all my attempts, i finally landed an army in yorkshire - aaron
[2009-09-02 16:22:16] - a: Basically. The only place somebody could feasibly betray me is where I fully expect there to be some dispute (Belgium) between me and England and Germany. -Paul
[2009-09-02 16:19:55] - i.e. stabbed in the front? ~a
[2009-09-02 16:16:56] - xpovos: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to be "stabbed" by somebody this turn, although I'm not sure if it's considered "stabbed" if you're expecting it. -Paul
[2009-09-02 16:08:53] - Ohh, someone mentioned Diplomacy. It's open season! Who's getting stabbed this turn? Is it France? -- Xpovos
[2009-09-02 15:51:34] - Vinnie would be more awesome if he played Diplomacy
[2009-09-02 15:32:06] - Vinnie is the Magic god, fool!
[2009-09-02 15:31:41] - gurkie: actually, the court decreed that vinnie is awesome. yep, it's a law now. gotta love legislating from the bench - vinnie
[2009-09-02 15:21:40] - see not seet
[2009-09-02 15:21:31] - vinnie: the article said vinnie is awesome? so if I understand... if I search for "vinnie is awesome" I will seet lots of porn sites and this article? ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 15:17:17] - also, vinnie is awesome - vinnie
[2009-09-02 15:16:40] - gurkie: I'll sum it up. woman gets annoyed that when she searches for her name, porn sites show up in the top results, even though porn sites probably show up in the top results for 99% of searches. woman gets mad at yahoo rather than porn sites. court tells her to take a hike - vinnie
[2009-09-02 15:14:58] - mig: actually, I failed... sigh it worked now... ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 15:14:32] - aaron: I liked your link... most of the posters were interesting a lot seemed to be about how you will lose your women if you keep fighting. ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 15:14:02] - mig: your link failed... or maybe its blocked from here or something. ~gurkie
[2009-09-02 14:41:56] - i helped! but the joke was mostly vinnie's idea. -amy
[2009-09-02 14:37:27] - oh hah. i was very confused. yes, your answer is much funnier. ~a
[2009-09-02 14:32:55] - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/dont-like-the-result-of-vanity-searches-dont-sue-yahoo.ars women tries to sue yahoo because she didn't like the results of a search involving her name. Thankfully, she lost. - mig
[2009-09-02 14:30:24] - a: I guess your answer is not bad, I'll accept it - vinnie
[2009-09-02 14:29:53] - avocado's number - vinnie
[2009-09-02 13:37:14] - http://www.life.com/image/84295579/in-gallery/27932/wwii-intense-propaganda-posters intense propaganda posters - aaron
[2009-09-02 13:36:58] - vinnie: my answer wasn't right? ~a
[2009-09-02 13:35:24] - a guac mole! that's good - aaron
[2009-09-02 13:34:16] - a: c'mon, you can get this one - vinnie
[2009-09-02 13:31:11] - a mole o' guac? ~a
[2009-09-02 13:28:08] - what do you call the number of atoms in a guacamole? - vinnie
[2009-09-02 13:20:07] - ironically, (ironically?) i didn't post either title if i remember correctly. ~a
[2009-09-02 13:15:50] - (1) you probably just forgot about it because it was so long ago (and, again, i didn't get the quote right) (2) i don't think either quote is sympathetic to either school. if people are killing in the name of religion, then that doesn't necessarily look good for religion. ~a
[2009-09-02 13:12:45] - mmph. i just looked back at the history, and the original quote was "god is dead. dead tired of people killing in his name" (which makes more sense). ~a
[2009-09-02 13:12:32] - Paul: "Oh. My. Science." -- Xpovos
[2009-09-02 13:06:52] - a: Um... it sounds a little bit like something I would say, except for two things: (1) I don't think I was aware of the quote before now and (2) with this group, I would probably be more likely to do the opposite and make a quote which is sympathetic to religion rather than science. -Paul
[2009-09-02 13:04:30] - "science is dead. dead tired of people killing in it's name" it's a play on "religion is dead. dead tired of people killing in it's name" with s/religion/science/. you're telling me that it doesn't sound like something you would say?
~a[2009-09-02 12:57:21] - a: Which subtitle? Neither of them sounds familiar to me. -Paul
[2009-09-02 12:36:23] - i'm guessing paul wrote the subtitle. seems like an absurd sentiment that paul would think is a logical analogy. ~a
[2009-09-02 12:21:10] - a: Yeah, over a year. Still not legal to drink, though... except probably she is, since Hogwarts is U.K. -- Xpovos
[2009-09-02 12:15:51] - a: A year or two? Time flies. -- Xpovos
[2009-09-02 12:13:25] - wow i thought she was legal a while ago. ~a
[2009-09-02 11:50:28] - No longer FORBIDDEN. Takes most of the fun out of it. -- Xpovos
[2009-09-01 13:04:54] - aaron: it's just the station that was automatically generated when I put in the band name, but I sent it to you anyway. - pierce
[2009-09-01 09:40:33] - pierce: couple CDs I've been playing lately are "Bring on the Comets" by VHS Or Beta and "Last Embrace" by Northern Room. the first is dance music with rock guitars and synths, the second group is standard pop/rock in the vein of Keane/Coldplay - vinnie
[2009-09-01 09:11:47] - pierce: can you send me your station? - aaron
[2009-09-01 01:21:48] - aba: I think they came up on the new young pony club pandora station and I thumbs-upped them before even seeing your message. I approve. that'll probably be the "winner" in that so far they're the most likely among the bands suggested so far for me to purchase an album (flickerfall is disqualified since I'd already bought that) - pierce
[2009-09-01 00:45:01] - xpovos: definitely know muse. actually liked them back before they got a lot of name recognition, they were the best part of the foo fighters/red hot chili peppers concert in roanoke our sophomore year or so. - pierce
[2009-09-01 00:40:57] - xpovos: I'll check those out... my music tastes have gotten a lot more of a pop sensibility since last you heard of them but I still like to branch back to previous days from time to time. - pierce
[2009-09-01 00:25:03] - aaron: I'm hit or miss on new young pony club, but the pandora station that coalesced around that name is space hella awesome. - pierce
[2009-08-31 15:53:24] - oh ahaha yeah you're right! ~a
[2009-08-31 15:45:48] - amy: maybe it has 2 arms because of an escape/unescape bug involving backslashes in subtitles. - aaron
[2009-08-31 15:44:14] - bahaha (from a conversation on slashdot about all-caps) ~a
[2009-08-31 15:31:05] - Aaron: Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.
-Paul[2009-08-31 15:14:45] - amy: yeah the quote is probably yours. if you search for it in the history, the post afterward was signed by you. ~a
[2009-08-31 15:13:28] - amy: i thought so too! but it's actually originally from a poem. ~a
[2009-08-31 15:08:59] - aaron: yeah nothing in that game made any sense. I felt bad for England since it just seemed that France and Russia were just cooperating with them for no other reason than to be dicks. - mig
[2009-08-31 15:07:54] - why does our subtitle have 2 arms on one side and 1 on the other? also i have a vague memory of saying the random quote thingy. -amy
[2009-08-31 15:06:42] - pierce: have you ever heard of flickerfall? they just came out with a new EP. heh sorry. obvious answer is obvious. -amy
[2009-08-31 15:05:40] - paul: oh alright. i think i actually agree with you on this one. i don't have a problem with surrender as a diplomatic move - but i have a problem with surrendering just as a way to quit the game - aaron
[2009-08-31 15:04:31] - huh. i always thought it was "the female of the species is more deadlier than the male." i guess it's just the way the singer pronounces it? -amy
[2009-08-31 15:03:53] - mig: so france and russia (who was presumably bored) turned on england, giving up all of their SCs in the process. also, in the end-game, england attempted to throw the game to turkey - but turkey cooperated with austria to deliberately avoid a solo (again, illogical) - aaron
[2009-08-31 15:02:42] - mig: actually after reading the message boards it looks like the diplomatic situation was pretty complex. turkey/austria wanted a 2-way draw but england refused it. england was able to hold a stalemate with france's cooperation, but france (illogically) refused it, deciding that revenge was favorable over a victory... - aaron
[2009-08-31 14:55:08] - mig: wow that game was pretty crazy. maybe they were so annoyed by him getting Stp that they decided they'd do anything to stop him from getting Mao as well - aaron
[2009-08-31 14:50:42] - Aaron: The situation you outline, I think, is a reasonable diplomatic move. -Paul
[2009-08-31 14:50:19] - Aaron: Without any kind of threat or demands or anything. He just wants to die quickly. That's the kind of situation I'm thinking of. -Paul
[2009-08-31 14:49:45] - Aaron: I more meant a situation where, for instance, Bryan decides a few turns in that he doesn't enjoy playing Diplomacy (this is his first game) and he decides to "quit" by just surrendering his units to Stephen. -Paul
[2009-08-31 14:46:04] - paul: why does it matter if that person wants to quit? maybe they're stalemated (like you were last game) and the other powers aren't accepting a draw. so they decide, look - either let me out of this stalemate, or i'm giving your opponent all the supply centers he needs to win - aaron
[2009-08-31 14:36:09] - Well Russia less so because he had really no hope of winning. But France was in position to at least join up with England and maybe share in a draw, but he decided to resign himself to losing just so he could bring down England. - mig
[2009-08-31 14:35:18] - there was a game on the site I was kind of perplexed (2008-34) where Austria and Turkey was working on a 2-way draw with the help of France and Russia who all ganged up on England. I felt it was a dick move by both France and Russia as they were not playing to win, but to make sure England lost. - mig
[2009-08-31 14:33:06] - aaron: i don't see much issue with that particular scenario. To me I would feel valid in employing that strategy in order to get one member of the alliance to perhaps stab the other. If it works, then I have a small chance at perhaps getting included in a draw. If it doesn't well I was not going to win either way. - mig
[2009-08-31 14:31:13] - Aaron: If it's used as a strategy inside of the game and not just because somebody wants to quit or is trying to settle a debt from outside of the game, then I can see it being reasonable. -Paul
[2009-08-31 14:29:59] - it's another divisive issue (like letter-passing) - consider the case where you have a 3-way draw forming. A committed Russia/Turkey has cornered England but can't make headway into the Atlantic. Then England threatens, "Turkey - either you stab your ally, or I surrender Stp to Russia willingly, and he'll take over Scandinavia/mainland England for a solo victory" - aaron
[2009-08-31 14:27:13] - another diplomacy-related ethics question. is it ethical to deliberately surrender all of your units to another power? a followup-question - is it ethical to use the threat of surrender as a diplomatic tool? - aaron
[2009-08-31 14:17:43] - every cd has 10 tracks? ~a
[2009-08-31 14:14:18] - pierce: i'm really digging this band called metric these days. - aba
[2009-08-31 13:41:26] - mig: Oh, last I had checked I thought only Aaron, Andrew and I had our orders in. Then I saw your message board post and suddenly you and Bryan and Stephen all had your orders in too. -Paul
[2009-08-31 13:26:16] - paul: well technically i only prodded bryan since stephen had actually already submitted his orders when i sent that out. I didn't really intend to prod but just a friendly reminder that they don't have to wait until the deadline to keep the game moving. - mig
[2009-08-31 13:24:07] - a: i don't know, i'm watching miguel's other game even though i don't participate in it... i still like talking about it. - aaron
[2009-08-31 12:38:06] - a: new york to visit my sister. - pierce
[2009-08-31 12:20:37] - aaron: is diplomacy a spectator sport?
~a[2009-08-31 12:17:32] - a: you would if you subscribed to our game! - aaron
[2009-08-31 12:13:15] - xpovos: oh i don't get those emails anymore.
~a[2009-08-31 12:02:02] - a: No, a Diplomacy prod. It was diplomatic. -- Xpovos
[2009-08-31 12:00:45] - about the helmet thing? ~a
[2009-08-31 12:00:23] - miguel was prodding? ~a
[2009-08-31 11:39:31] - mig: Wow, your little prodding message board post really had the intended effect. -Paul
[2009-08-31 10:41:55] - xpovos: a fair amount of people at my work took last week off and some are off this week, I think it's just people getting some vacation time in before school starts up next week. - mig
[2009-08-31 10:26:36] - pierce: if you haven't heard of "new young pony club" you might like them. vinnie introduced me to them and stephen likes them too - aaron
[2009-08-31 10:21:12] - Xpovos: Not that I know of, but traffic was light for me as well. -Paul
[2009-08-31 10:14:17] - pierce: where are you going? ~a
[2009-08-31 10:01:41] - Is today some kind of holiday? The traffic was light, the parking lot was almost empty... no one's posting on the board. -- Xpovos
[2009-08-31 09:26:48] - pierce: One band that has been coming up a lot for me on various Pandora stations that are all kind of tangential is Muse. You may know them/have them, in which case this is moot, but they might be a good fit too, particularly if the stompy chicks aren't. -- Xpovos
[2009-08-31 08:53:49] - pierce: Ouch. Um... maybe try some Angelspit and Ariya? I'm trying to find something that fits in with what I know about your musical tastes, which isn't much. Radiohead + System of a Down = ?? -- Xpovos
[2009-08-31 02:10:37] - going to be driving six hours each way alone for labor day weekend, anyone have any suggestions for good music they think I'd like? - pierce
[2009-08-29 22:37:07] - Pogo, pogo, pogo, bounce! http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/08/23/Pogopalooza-athletes-jump-for-going-huge/UPI-61741251078038/ -- Xpovos
[2009-08-28 17:25:13] - so if nobody is going to poker tonight, what is happening tonight? ~a
[2009-08-28 16:11:44] - i assumed it was the current president of the united states of america. ~a
[2009-08-28 15:30:48] - I'm sure it was this Barrack. - mig
[2009-08-28 15:25:22] - Aaron: I thought that was Baraka -Paul
[2009-08-28 15:22:31] - Paul: not anymore, just keep wearing your new jeans not your old ones ~gurkie
[2009-08-28 15:22:01] - I assumed it was barack from Mortal Kombat 2 - aaron
[2009-08-28 15:17:00] - who said this was barack obama? it's probably just barack henderson, president of the local Battlestar Galactica fan club. - pierce
[2009-08-28 15:14:33] - Did you know that impersonating an officer of the federal government is a federal crime?
[2009-08-28 15:13:33] - ugh, back to work
[2009-08-28 15:13:30] - vinnie: yeah i added the multicolor gradient just for my favorite president.
~a[2009-08-28 15:13:15] - paul: hey i think they look fine.
[2009-08-28 15:12:23] - paul: no, your mothers pick them. ~a
[2009-08-28 14:59:28] - My jeans are dorky?
-Paul[2009-08-28 14:50:55] - vinnie: yea, i've met paul. we used to get our jeans at the same place
[2009-08-28 14:35:13] - paul: i think the age limit was 16 when we were kids. ~a
[2009-08-28 14:34:30] - lol at your color. I mean, it's an honor to have you here, mr president. paul is your biggest fan - vinnie
[2009-08-28 14:21:41] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8226075.stm that's no moon .... rock. - mig
[2009-08-28 14:12:37] - For whatever reason, that surprised me. -paul
[2009-08-28 14:12:24] - Just out of curiosity, I did a quick search of bicycle helmet laws and was surprised to find out that for most places in Virginia (and Massachusetts), adults are not legally required to wear a helmet. -Paul
[2009-08-28 13:25:17] - omg! the president posted here?! yays.
~a[2009-08-28 13:21:14] - unless it was a nice day
[2009-08-28 13:20:59] - a: well, yea i definitely wouldn't go mountain biking without a helmet
[2009-08-28 13:16:44] - interestingly, my friend was biking yesterday (the same day as obama) and he hit his helmet very quickly into a rock. without a helmet, chris (my friend) would for sure be in the hospital or more likely dead. ~a
[2009-08-28 13:16:16] - a: i liked the quote, "obama was photographed riding his bike with a helmet and his signature dorky jeans" - aaron
[2009-08-28 13:13:50] - bicycles up and turn over by themselves - davidmozer
[2009-08-28 13:13:43] - "Bicycles up and turn over by themselves" that quote made me laugh. ~a
[2009-08-28 13:12:20] - mig: depending on the context, riding a bike without a helmet can be pretty dumb. at least his kids are wearing helmets and chances are he wasn't doing anything too difficult. ~a
[2009-08-28 13:02:47] - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26538.html OMG obama is not wearing a bike helmet! let's get outraged! - mig
[2009-08-28 11:42:54] - it certainly paints a new picture about the "hero's welcome" rather than the media implying that his return is not being celebrating because of what he supposadly did, but rather the fact that many people celebrating perhaps believe that he was framed by the british government for the crime. - mig
[2009-08-28 11:41:13] - http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Lockerbie-Al-Megrahi-release-welcomed.5574557.jp a rather interesting articles about the lockerbie bomber and the fact that some of the victim's families are actually glad he has been released. - mig
[2009-08-28 09:13:43] - aba: Ah, cool. I guess it makes sense that Blizzard would be a fan of the guild. -Paul
[2009-08-28 09:13:15] - http://news.cnet.com/2300-10797_3-10001434-1.html?tag=mncol Some pretty crazy artwork. -Paul
[2009-08-28 07:27:26] - ooh, I knew that debate was going to pop up under random eventually. Even my clarifying statement sounds damning. -- Xpovos
[2009-08-28 07:25:56] - pierce: yes, xbox.com uses Silverlight. A lot. -- Xpovos
[2009-08-28 01:13:04] - pierce: i didn't realize you could see the episodes on the website now. they might have released them now that the season 2 dvd is out. i noticed that they put some of the episodes up on youtube too. - aba
[2009-08-28 01:12:22] - paul: yea, they debuted season 3 episode 1 at blizzcon last week. his character looks pretty funny. - aba
[2009-08-27 17:32:40] - aba: I'm confused... does the live marketplace site use silverlight or something? I was able to see S2 just fine without logging in with my xbox live account or anything. - pierce
[2009-08-27 17:31:04] - aba: Ah, ok. Well, I thought you might be interested in hearing that apparently Wil Wheaton is in season 3.
-Paul[2009-08-27 17:21:47] - paul: i watched season 1 but season 2 was on xbox live so i didn't have access to it. - aba
[2009-08-27 15:54:11] - objection! the attorney is getting all defendantey badgerey - aaron
[2009-08-27 15:10:33] - let it be known that the defendent described the request as "makey-uppey" - vinnie
[2009-08-27 15:02:06] - aaron: oh that's not how i intended that to sound, sorry. it's hard to convey inflection without overusing emoticons. ~a
[2009-08-27 15:00:57] - aaron: hmm? ~a
[2009-08-27 14:49:48] - anyway my point was just that i've seen this "makey uppey" comment cited elsewhere as flickr's response, and it's amusing that it's so casually worded. i want this to turn into a court case just on the off-chance that this flickr admin takes the stand - aaron
[2009-08-27 14:39:10] - a: blizzard uses forum postings for official statements all the time. - pierce
[2009-08-27 14:38:35] - a: you're really argumentative today. - aaron
[2009-08-27 14:20:05] - unless you can call a forum posting an official statement nowadays. ~a
[2009-08-27 14:19:35] - it wasn't an official statement. it was a forum posting. ~a
[2009-08-27 14:16:30] - my favorite part is that flick used the phrase "makey uppey" in some kind of official public statement - aaron
[2009-08-27 14:11:57] - there are a lot of things wrong with the flickr thing. i'm mad at a lot of people, but mostly flickr for being so blindingly dumb about the illegal take-down request. and when, exactly, are we going to get around to repealing the dmca? ~a
[2009-08-27 14:00:18] - http://thomashawk.com/2009/08/does-flickr-censor-user-content-over-blatantly-fake-dmca-notices.html a rather interesting summary of the strange story of flickr taking down a joker-obama image. - mig
[2009-08-27 11:30:12] - aba: By the way, do you watch The Guild? -Paul
[2009-08-27 11:29:54] - aba: Sounds like a good approach. I'll try asking my mom if she knows where they hide those CDs from the prying public.
Thanks! -Paul[2009-08-27 11:21:52] - paul: i was able to borrow CDs from the library, so you might want to go in and ask a librarian about that. i think i only took 2-3 full practice tests and then a whole ton of practice sections on the parts that i didn't feel very comfortable with. - aba
[2009-08-27 11:06:39] - yay gurkie!!!
~a[2009-08-27 11:00:52] - http://www.princetonreview.com/grad/free-gre-practice-test.aspx I think Gurkie found me a free practice test anyway. -Paul
[2009-08-27 10:53:25] - paul: agreed. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:42:51] - a: Well, it depends on if taking a computerized practice test is going to affect my score enough to be worth $50. -Paul
[2009-08-27 10:32:46] - paul: i guess it depends on how the rest your life will be affected by the score. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:28:25] - a: I just don't think I want to pay $50 just so I can practice the GRE in a computer format rather than a pen and paper format. -Paul
[2009-08-27 10:27:22] - aaron: i didn't see your "java" post. i disagree that most of those problems don't exist in java. almost all of those problems could have come up if the language was java. anyways, no games are programmed in java. . . . except my game solver.
~a[2009-08-27 10:23:27] - I didn't understand what the right solution to Identity Crisis was supposed to be either. but some of these issues were really far outside my realm of programming experience - vinnie
[2009-08-27 10:18:27] - ah ok. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:18:08] - a: the "correct" decision can also be "dirty". i was mostly confused when you said "some of those tricks don't sound that dirty, they made the right decision". i'm only disagreeing with your first point, that they're not "dirty". - aaron
[2009-08-27 10:16:35] - aaron: so the correct solution is always to deliver late? that doesn't sound right. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:15:51] - aaron: also, the context of the workarounds is important to me. if one lone programmer adds a hack because he's lazy, that's very different than the whole team agreeing together as a group that a specific workaround isn't too ugly and is necessary for the time constraints. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:15:19] - a:, like i said, in both cases there's an obvious correct solution and they sidestepped it in the name of getting something out the door. my statement implies that the "correct" solution involved not getting something out the door. - aaron
[2009-08-27 10:14:16] - aaron: i like it when i continue to be the software designer further down the line so i can be responsible for fixing the big problems i am forced to create. but fixing big problems are sometimes not for the release candidate cycle when a workaround exists. sometimes timing is important. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:12:43] - aaron: what was the obvious correct solution for "identity crisis"? they specifically said that the "correct" solution would have caused unreasonable delays to their deadline. i don't mind fucking over a deadline if it matters, but it seems like it mattered little in that case. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:10:56] - a: well, most of the problems that needed to be hacked around in those examples don't exist in java. half of them are pointer-based, or memory based, but java doesn't have to worry about that. and as for the "method signature" thing - i can do that in eclipse with like four keyboard strokes, so i wouldn't think twice about changing a method signature - aaron
[2009-08-27 10:08:26] - a: well, in both cases there's a very obvious correct solution and they sidestepped it in the name of getting something out the door. it's not that it's the wrong thing to do, but it definitely makes the codebase more prone to insane bugs down the line (as evidenced by the level designer who had a random object not appear in his level) - aaron
[2009-08-27 10:07:35] - paul: oh no! seriously though, the cd is the only reason i bought my java cert book. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:06:36] - aaron: well then you're a better man than i. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:06:25] - a: That probably means buying a book.
-Paul[2009-08-27 10:06:03] - paul: that probably answers your question then. get a book with a cd. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:05:46] - it's really really rare that i'll ever put anything like those hacks in my code. i actually can't think of a single time i've done anything that bad. it's more common that i'm finding those kinds of hacks and taking them out - aaron
[2009-08-27 10:05:26] - some of those tricks don't even sound that dirty. "Identity Crisis" and "10-Tative Code" seem like they made the exact right decision in any release candidate phase. ~a
[2009-08-27 10:04:26] - pierce: one saic guy i used to work with - i was maintaining his code and saw he was popping up a dialog with a title like "User Panel " with a space. I trimmed the space and some unit tests failed. It turns out there was some code, saying "When launching the user panel, if the title ends with a space, do this flaky workaround" - aaron
[2009-08-27 09:58:26] - a: I think it's supposed to, but I didn't see one in it so they might've taken it out. -Paul
[2009-08-27 09:44:23] - i have to assume the book doesn't come with a cd? ~a
[2009-08-27 09:17:10] - aba: Cool. So I've got some practice tests in my library book, but do you know if there is any place where I could take a practice test online to simulate the not being able to go back to previous questions? -Paul
[2009-08-27 02:49:46] - and if I don't know what the proper fix is then I just give them some big number as an estimate for "analysis" and tell them it might be any amount of time beyond that to actually fix it. - pierce
[2009-08-27 02:40:02] - I've been on enough tight deadline projects that this situation has come up a bunch of times for me... I'm not normally one to practice a lot of cover-your-ass techniques but the one thing I try to always do is get a higher-up to choose (in writing) between the quick fix and the "proper fix". - pierce
[2009-08-27 02:36:52] - it's not really that bad a solution until, inevitably, someone writes code that relies on X but doesn't know that X won't happen under certain circumstances. suddenly it's your fault that someone else can't work because the original bug wasn't fixed properly, even though you were pushed to get a passing release out the door under a tight deadline. - pierce
[2009-08-27 02:31:41] - I hate to admit it but I'm guilty of some of those... they're basically versions of "we have a bug that manifests if you do X in a very particular way, and we either don't have time to find out why it's happening or we don't have time to fix it properly, so let's just stop people from doing X in that particular way" - pierce
[2009-08-26 19:48:04] - http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4111/dirty_coding_tricks.php dirty coding tricks from the game development world - aaron
[2009-08-26 18:20:07] - paul: also, do some of the sample writing sections because while the topics aren't hard, mapping out and writing a timed essay isn't something you do on a regular basis. - aba
[2009-08-26 18:19:08] - paul: yes, i borrowed a bunch of books from the library and when you register for the test, they send you some supplementary study materials. get a feel for the pace and structure of the exam. now that it is all computerized, you can no longer skip questions and go back to them later which really frustrated me. - aba
[2009-08-26 17:59:22] - paul: and it could definitely be worse country-wise. at least france can play OK defense. italy has to kind of go out of its way to attack france - aaron
[2009-08-26 17:41:54] - that settles it! everyone gang up on brian!
- aaron[2009-08-26 16:56:12] - Russia, technically, i guess, since he has 4 supply centers and everyone else has 3. - mig
[2009-08-26 16:55:10] - who's winning? ~a
[2009-08-26 16:28:51] - a: Bryan is Russia, Stephen is Turkey and Miguel is Austria. -Paul
[2009-08-26 16:21:18] - who's russia, austria, turkey? ~a
[2009-08-26 16:18:24] - So I'm France, Dewey is Germany and Andrew is Italy with Aaron as England to whip up my neighbors to attack me? This couldn't have been much worse... -Paul
[2009-08-26 15:11:35] - a: Sure, I'm just going by articles I've read, since I didn't go myself. It's funny, though. The protesters sounded a lot like the same people who showed up to the tea-party (not that that's surprising). -Paul
[2009-08-26 15:09:12] - paul: i don't doubt that i'm right. but i'm not sure which side was more organized because i didn't go.
also i didn't see any of the stuff on tv. ~a[2009-08-26 15:03:21] - a: I mean, you're probably right, that it doesn't fit the definition of astro-turf. My comment was just referring back to the whole debate about the "astro-turf" being organized and how it seems like the pro-health care crowd was far more organized in this instance. -Paul
[2009-08-26 15:01:51] - a: Whereas I can't imagine the Republican party encouraged people to bring "Don't Tread on Me" flags.
-Paul[2009-08-26 15:01:18] - a: Well, they were clearly organized, and even though I'm sure the intent wasn't to portray grass-roots support, it seemed to be intended to show popular support at least. -Paul
[2009-08-26 14:51:21] - paul: except that's not astro-turfing at all. so i'm not sure how they can be more like astro-turf. ~a
[2009-08-26 14:21:13] - I suppose I mean GRE books, not GRA books... -Paul
[2009-08-26 14:11:49] - davkie: Thanks for the offers for GRA books, but I just got back from the library and got a 2008 Kaplan book there so I should be good to go. -Paul
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