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[2009-10-26 10:12:16] - a: I can't believe how many 90's-isms he crammed in there. and I was guilty of a lot of those with my geocities page.
I was in a webring, used tables with a thick ugly border, had a border around image links, had the exact same hit counter, probably had broken images too - vinnie[2009-10-26 10:03:42] - The internet comic webring!
~a[2009-10-26 10:02:57] - aaron: Sorry I had to bug out last night. Did anyone end up playing with the deck I drafted? It felt decent, a little slow, but lots of stuff to clog things up against anything but a very fast aggro. I was definitely lacking in removal, though, and it hurt. I'd loved to have had my 3 Journey to Nowheres from the first draft. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-26 09:17:24] - title: ??? - aaron
[2009-10-26 09:02:16] - xpovos: lol, x10kcd... i remember those things, those spy cameras were advertised everywhere like 10 years ago - aaron
[2009-10-26 08:27:12] - amy: Probably be up like that all day, so at least the next 11 hours. But, yeah, that's great. Even got the ubiquitos spy-camera ad going. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-26 00:04:57] - omg xkcd.com the site design!! hilarious! oh man i hope it's still like that by the time everyone actually sees this .p -amy
[2009-10-23 17:00:13] - Xpovos: I know, didn't they just recently demand that Microsoft offer a way to disable IE or at least sell a version of windows without it? Decade late much? -Paul
[2009-10-23 16:37:16] - The EU is still bitter about that one. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 16:25:05] - a: I don't know the history either, I just vaguely remember that being a sticking point in the government's lawsuit against Microsoft... that it had packaged IE with Windows and that it led to Netscape getting crushed. -Paul
[2009-10-23 16:13:40] - paul: i don't really know the history, but i think at that point it was past the point of no return. ~a
[2009-10-23 16:05:07] - a: Wasn't netscape free at the time as well? I thought it was killed more because IE was packaged with windows. -Paul
[2009-10-23 16:03:25] - mig: microsoft vs. netscape? ~a
[2009-10-23 15:53:29] - mig: The examples I've always heard (and I haven't done independent research) is with feuling stations. Take a Sheetz or a Wawa into a town with ExxonMobil and Shell stations that are actually independently owned. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 15:41:05] - has there even been an actual case of predatory pricing reaching its negative conclusion? - mig
[2009-10-23 15:32:01] - Although, having been a shareholder in AMD, I can attest to the devastating effect that Intel's price cuts had on AMD. Of course, their collapse could've easily been blamed on an ill-advised purchase of ATI or an inconvenient stalling out of their chipset pipeline. -Paul
[2009-10-23 15:31:13] - aaron: I cannot counter that argument. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 15:30:37] - Paul: Source bias. But, I think we're all (somehow) generally agreed here anyway. It's pretty rare for predatory selling (by selling below cost) to actually exist and be detrimental to consumers. It can definitely be detrimental to others, though. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 15:29:33] - xpovos: albums are overpriced because they're cool. books are nerdy - aaron
[2009-10-23 15:28:21] - http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-169es.html Not sure what's up with the random hyphenization of words in this, but I've read that predatory pricing (in terms of driving competitors out of business) is more myth than fact. -Paul
[2009-10-23 15:23:43] - aaron: The physical costs are low, but there's still writing and editing fees/salaries to be paid. I think $9 is probably a little on the lowside. It takes as much, probably more effort to make a 'book', sans printing, compared to an album, and I think $10 is a justifiable price for an album. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 15:10:08] - mig: and i would contest that $9 for an electronic book is "cheap" - aaron
[2009-10-23 15:03:17] - a: and yeah, that statement that low prices are harmful to consumers drew a bit of amusement from me. - mig
[2009-10-23 14:59:12] - gurkie: people have always said that's a danger of "predatory" pricing but in this day and age I don't think it's really possible. - mig
[2009-10-23 14:52:40] - a: I think that its possibly harmful in the long run cause it drives competitors out of business then they raise their prices again.. but I could be wrong ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 14:52:10] - a: If these weren't mega corps going at each other, the argument would be a mega corp comes in with predatory prices, forces the 'mon and pop's out of business, then jacks up the prices even higher. That's not going to happen here, so really it just hurts specialty stores. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 14:48:07] - i have to wonder how predatory pricing is harmful to consumers. ~a
[2009-10-23 14:40:00] - http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/10/22/business/business-us-booksellers-doj.html curse those online book sellers, providing things cheaply to consumers! how evil! - mig
[2009-10-23 14:33:20] - a: so essentially i think I cant see people even if they are showing up... I do wish they used a different method than facebook but I like being able to see who is going so I can make my decision ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 14:32:16] - a: yea there are definately issues with using facebook to determine whether I will show up... After all I think a lot of the people who are going probably dont share their profiles... ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 14:29:31] - a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_time swatch internet time - aaron
[2009-10-23 14:25:32] - http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/gms/1434506249.html ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 14:23:52] - oh yuck, they actually don't use zulu on the south pole. they even have dst! they use utc+12, utc+13 because their resupply boats come from that time zone. ~a
[2009-10-23 14:21:39] - aaron: yeah. i think on the south pole they just use zulu (yay zulu!) since they're all scientists down there. ~a
[2009-10-23 14:20:32] - ok, 10 hours/day, 100 minutes/hour, 100 seconds/minute and physics will have to take one for the team. ~a
[2009-10-23 14:19:21] - and as far as building a house on the north pole - i meant it would be frustrating having a house which spanned 24 different time zones - aaron
[2009-10-23 14:18:32] - sorry, that didn't come out right. i meant, it's the same as travelling to the southern hemisphere and having like - oh now it's warm in december, and we celebrate bizarro christmas - aaron
[2009-10-23 14:18:20] - "The centiday was used in China for thousands of years." (wikipedia) ~a
[2009-10-23 14:17:14] - otherwise, think of what a headache it will be if you ever build a house on the north pole! - aaron
[2009-10-23 14:16:32] - i think getting rid of time zones makes sense though. it's the same as travelling to the south pole and having to remember a different set of months - aaron
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~a[2009-10-23 14:15:03] - a: heh, I didn't even think about those repercussions - vinnie
[2009-10-23 14:14:20] - a: and hz! - aaron
[2009-10-23 14:10:32] - i guess we could also redefine the second to be an even fraction of a day, but that would affect some other units: watt, pascal, newton, joule, coulomb, volt, farad, tesla, etc etc ~a
[2009-10-23 14:07:19] - a: I see, but I think you lose a lot of benefits of metric time doing it that way. you picked some units of distance that are pretty obscure, but -meter covers almost all the distance measurements most people need to make - vinnie
[2009-10-23 14:03:07] - vinnie: The secondi s the problem, not the day/year. But the fact that the day/year are so non-metric between themselves (365.25... really?) means the situation won't get resolved unless you go off Sol time and to something completely arbitrary. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 14:02:45] - vinnie: no you can keep both. i had an analogy earlier. "the br and au don't fit nicely into powers of 10 either. therefore we should abandon metric distance? of course not. you have seconds, you have days, you have years, everything else can be powers of ten." ~a
[2009-10-23 14:02:10] - also I don't think removing time zones makes much sense. if I go to India, I don't want to have to remember that bedtime is such and such a time, dinner is such and such a time, etc. I just want to set my watch once and be done with it - vinnie
[2009-10-23 14:01:24] - Ugh, articles like this, on 401(k) retirement faults, make me so mad. Of course you can't retire on 5% of your working career's savings. You need at least 15%, or expect to be working a heck of a lot longer. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 14:00:47] - ::q
[2009-10-23 14:00:14] - I don't understand why metric time would work. I assume we keep one unit of measurement (hour, day, or year) and build around it in 10s. but which unit do we keep? day and year both seem pretty invaluable - vinnie
[2009-10-23 13:13:14] - a: cool yeah it worked, :set noeol and :set binary - aaron
[2009-10-23 13:11:16] - a: that's pretty cool, i'll check out :help noeol. i use gvim for my editing in windows, so it would be nice if i could toggle into that mode after launching the editor - maybe there's information on that in the noeol docs - aaron
[2009-10-23 12:50:57] - and fyi, "binary" mode is the same as "vim -b" ~a
[2009-10-23 12:50:37] - if you want more details, you can read the text at ":help noeol" ~a
[2009-10-23 12:48:28] - aaron: i know how in vim. "vim -b" it puts it into binary mode. it might work in vanilla vi too, not sure. ~a
[2009-10-23 12:44:10] - xpovos: heh, sadly i'm just switching to notepad for the time being. reading around, it sounds like unix files always end with an eol - so maybe it's just a problem with vi which can't be fixed - aaron
[2009-10-23 12:41:52] - aaron: use emacs? Joke. I have no idea if that would solve the problem. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 12:38:39] - does anybody (adrian?) know how to prevent vi from adding an eol to the end of a file? i'm trying to edit a file which doesn't have an eol at the end, but vi automatically adds an eol whenever i save the file - aaron
[2009-10-23 12:37:19] - gurkie: that's a perfectly reasonable course of action, but i have to ask . . . do you have any friends that aren't on facebook? ~a
[2009-10-23 12:28:49] - gurkie: For me it would be RSVPing in reverse. See who else is attending so I can avoid attending if they show up. I ended up skipping my high school's reunion. Out of laziness more than anything else. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-23 12:21:18] - a: the facebook event has some info on it, it sounds like the place to buy tickets is not yet up... If they dont RSVP then I dont know they will be there. I will probably base my attendance on who RSVPs
~gurkie[2009-10-23 11:54:34] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBdvkjK92-Y animal soccer world - i wouldn't wish this video on anybody, except that miguel and i were talking about it - aaron
[2009-10-23 10:57:36] - gurkie: what if the people you want to see don't rsvp? in other words, not everybody is on facebook. also, where do we buy tickets? ~a
[2009-10-23 10:39:19] - mig - you have to buy tickets ahead of time... You wont be able to pay at the door. At least according to the invite. I like the idea of RSVPing so I can decide if i want to go based on who else will be there... ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 10:28:50] - this isn't something we have to rsvp for, is it? - mig
[2009-10-23 10:21:44] - Ah they do have it nm, I just dont see it on the events main page... ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 10:20:55] - Or at least if they have I dont see it... ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 10:20:42] - I think its funny the TJ reunion invite has people who are maybe and no and awaiting but no one said yes. ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 10:01:19] - a: honestly I dont really know what metric time is... so I assumed am/pm would stick around BUT I dont actually think it affects my opinion much on the whole thing~gurkie
[2009-10-23 10:00:04] - paul: pierce basically made my point about non live. Essentially the only tv shows it helps for is live things which is basically sports. ~gurkie
[2009-10-23 09:37:48] - dewey: the 1990s called, they want their web site back - aaron
[2009-10-23 09:13:20] - Happy mole day. http://www.moleday.org/ - Dewey
[2009-10-22 17:46:51] - Pierce: Hah, I guess you're right. I was mainly thinking of things like sports where the event is live and when it's shown wouldn't necessarily be affected by whether it's morning or night. -paul
[2009-10-22 17:23:31] - paul: i think the main savings is with coordination with people across time-zones. and dst, well dst is a no-brainer. ~a
[2009-10-22 17:23:01] - http://niemann.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/good-night-and-tough-luck/ - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:21:31] - tv schedules are already done differently in different regions, so i don't think this would make things easier or harder on non-live shows. but regardless it's nothing compared to the other things it would save the tv industry. ~a
[2009-10-22 17:19:21] - pierce/paul: for live or not/live? ~a
[2009-10-22 17:17:15] - I don't know why a lot of programs air simultanously here and in the central time zone, but they air three hours later (objectively) in the pacific time zone so the daily show is at 11pm in both. - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:15:31] - paul: uhh, wouldn't we have *more* need for multiple TV schedules? if you want to air your morning news show at sunrise then it'll be at 6am in one region and 7am in another and 8am in the next. - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:13:59] - pierce: yeah you're both blue. ~a
[2009-10-22 17:13:32] - a: did you mean to reply to gurkie with that? - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:12:54] - Gurkie: I agree that getting rid of timezones definitely won't fix all (or even most) problems, but I do think it would fix a bunch. No more need to adjust watches when crossing time zones or having multiple times for TV schedules. -paul
[2009-10-22 17:12:38] - yeah, the military! the military often uses zulu which fixes LOTS of problems. i love zulu. i wonder if i should switch all of my clocks to zulu.
~a[2009-10-22 17:10:30] - pierce: who said anything about keeping "pm"? i seriously doubt any proponent of metric time would suggest that we keep am and pm. i'm really not sure why we have am/pm in the first place. one of the few things that the military got right. ~a
[2009-10-22 17:09:59] - gurkie: that's the part I agreed with you about. - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:09:59] - a: Definitely get rid of DST. In fact, that should be the first to go. -Paul
[2009-10-22 17:09:39] - DST is stupid on toast, though. the smart way to implement it would be as a social phenomenon rather than adjusting the time. instead of 9am being redefined to be earlier, just have a "daylight" part of the year when the workday starts at 8am and a "standard" part of the year when the workday starts at 9am. - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:09:35] - Stephen: Just arbitrarily pick one? I don't think there's too much that would suffer in the world if "noon" didn't mean the sun is at it's zenith at that point. -Paul
[2009-10-22 17:08:48] - pierce: but timezones dont bother people unless you are talking about across regions... In which case you run into issues where 9pm - 9 am could be daytime for some people while others would have it at other times. I feel like it would just cause different issues than the ones we have now possibly less but im not certain of that. ~gurkie
[2009-10-22 17:05:05] - gurkie: I agree with you that time zones are not much more complicated than having to remember what time is "daytime" for a specific region. but if you stuck to your own region, nighttime would just be whatever interval of the day has no sunlight, just like it is now. I don't think people would be too confused by that. - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:03:23] - and something that just occurred to me, on the scale of minutes and hours... 60 is a much more useful number than 100 for practical division of that interval. 60 has 13 different factors and 100 only has 9 (and can't be divided into thirds). you'll admit that that's a useful characteristic of a practical unit of measurement. - pierce
[2009-10-22 17:02:30] - I think getting rid of dst would make sense but I like having time zones so that timing makes sense.... Otherwise primetime woudl change from state to state and hours of school would be completely crazy... Nocturnal means sleeps at night but what is night without the PM and timezones? ~gurkie
[2009-10-22 17:00:11] - a: what you're describing is what we already have. nanoseconds and decades. redefining the intermediate units in order to have scales of ten is simply not useful enough to be worth the global effort it would require. - pierce
[2009-10-22 16:51:24] - paul: if you're getting rid of time zones, would you keep dst? ~a
[2009-10-22 16:49:49] - and i guess hours, minutes, and seconds like aaron was saying. ~a
[2009-10-22 16:49:15] - but regardless, i think the real problem is with dst, time zones, and leap year. ~a
[2009-10-22 16:47:51] - stephen: you don't need to. leave the years in the picture. drop the months and weeks. ~a
[2009-10-22 16:45:58] - pierce: the br and au don't fit nicely into powers of 10 either. therefore we should abandon metric distance? of course not. you have seconds (si), you have days (non-si), you have years (non-si), everything else can be powers of ten. ~a
[2009-10-22 16:44:35] - The earth takes 365 1/4 days to rotate around the sun. How would we divide that into a metric system? - Stephen
[2009-10-22 16:43:37] - Paul: But whose time zone would make sense? Noon is supposed to be when the sun is at its zenith. If the sun is high in the sky at "midnight", that might be confusing. - Stephen
[2009-10-22 16:39:45] - Aaron: I think one somewhat reasonable step we could take to start fixing the problem you are talking about is to get rid of time zones and whatnot. 3pm here should be 3pm in India, France, California, etc. -Paul
[2009-10-22 16:33:38] - I think what I'd like about a ten-day week would be that we could have the best of both worlds... a multi-day weekend and having the work week broken up in the middle. three on, one off, four on, two off. - pierce
[2009-10-22 16:30:12] - a: and to be clear, i'm refuting "you want metric time only because your job uses it a lot." it's pretty rare that metric time would make my job easier - aaron
[2009-10-22 16:26:07] - a: questions like that aren't super hard, but they're harder than they need to be. wouldn't it be nice if you had to be at work at 6,025-o'clock, and you'd just subtract 11 hours, to get 6,014 o'clock? I'd even settle for like, ten hour days and ten days a week, no dst no time zones. even then, it would be a much easier problem - aaron
[2009-10-22 16:24:22] - a: it's not just my job, but it's things like - flying, or dst, or time zones, or even just counting the number of hours in a day. like, you're planning a trip to california. you need to be in work at 10:00 am on monday, and you want 6 hours sleep. the flight is five hours long as well. what time on sunday does your flight need to leave? - aaron
[2009-10-22 16:21:09] - whatever argument you might make about the other units (which are, to varying degrees, arbitrary), the existence of two necessary units that could not both be on a single metric scale short-circuits metric time all by itself, imo. - pierce
[2009-10-22 16:19:01] - specifically, the day and year are both incredibly useful at their current measurements and do not fit into powers of ten. contrast that with the inch and the mile, which don't have any consistent real-world phenomena that define them. abandoning the inch or the mile for metric is not a dealbreaking transition, but abandoning either the day or the year would be. - pierce
[2009-10-22 16:16:10] - the rest of my point remains: these are the units we have and in this case they're non-arbitrary enough that it's not worth the effort to change them just so we can fit them into multiples of ten. - pierce
[2009-10-22 16:14:25] - a: I already mentioned the week as being not based on a natural phenomenon. I don't know who cares about the cycle of the moon anymore besides astronomers and geologists, but people used to care about it greatly so it was a rational unit of time to establish. - pierce
[2009-10-22 15:42:48] - pierce: what about the week? we don't need a random number (7) choosing which days we take off and which we come into work. and really do we need a time-frame based on the moon? who the hell cares about the moon? ~a
[2009-10-22 15:40:06] - in other words, fines for measuring stuff not in metric isn't actually your issue. ~a
[2009-10-22 15:39:17] - mig: i'm not being sarcastic here . . . i assume that it would be ok if the fines were self-imposed by some corporate committee that regulated the commerce companies? (woo alliteration) ~a
[2009-10-22 15:20:10] - stephen: I understand, I just find it asinine. - mig
[2009-10-22 15:03:14] - mig: It's because the UK has to abide by certain EU rules. - Stephen
[2009-10-22 14:47:13] - yeah regulation of commerce. it's so crazy! ~a
[2009-10-22 14:36:47] - fines for measuring stuff not in metric ... that's nutty. - mig
[2009-10-22 14:32:16] - http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2009/10/22/2009-10-22_virginia_man_arrested_for_indecent_exposure_for_being_naked_in_his_own_home.html ~gurkie
[2009-10-22 14:29:14] - aaron: you want metric time only because your job uses it a lot. people who don't do that with their job think a simple time format is dumb. "you look at your phone and it tells you what time it is" what's more simple than that?
you have to empathize with people who do use other units in their job. like if i was an importer/exporter of rice or rum or something. ~a[2009-10-22 14:13:58] - Aaron: They do that in the UK. Merchants caught measuring/selling things in lbs (or "basically lbs", like 0.45 kg) are fined. - Stephen
[2009-10-22 14:09:03] - tanga has powergrid on sale for 32 including shipping... I feel like that is a good price but I could be wrong... ~gurkie
[2009-10-22 14:00:37] - vinnie: hehe I have a scene in mind that I would have expected them to show... a dance she did in black.... Just a guess as to what they would show... ~gurkie
[2009-10-22 13:55:15] - vinnie: i heard about india's metric switch - i think they had like, actual punishments for businesses caught using non-metric units - aaron
[2009-10-22 13:53:30] - gurkie: there was an episode of sytycd last season where the remaining contestants got to meet kherington and see a sneak preview of fame. it was pretty much just blatant advertising for the film - vinnie
[2009-10-22 13:32:31] - administrator! please hope me! - pierce
[2009-10-22 13:32:16] - oops. more difficult than I anticipated. - pierce
[2009-10-22 13:32:05] - <a href="a list of historians ranking the uses of lmgtfy">too easy.</a> - pierce
[2009-10-22 13:29:48] - Pierce: Also, I demand proof from you that it was, in fact, the worst use of lmgtfy ever. A link to a list of historians ranking the uses of lmgtfy will do.
-Paul[2009-10-22 13:28:23] - Pierce: It's not even the worst use on this message board.
-paul[2009-10-22 13:27:26] - paul: worst lmgtfy use ever. first three links didn't answer the question, and the fourth one was about microsoft wanting traditional metrics for web advertising. - pierce
[2009-10-22 13:24:14] - aaron: the problem with metric datetime is that our date units (besides the week) measure real-world phenomena which don't divide into each other in powers of 10. we basically use the metric system for units smaller than a second or on the scale of years, and I think the inconvenience would outweigh the gain if we tried to tie the other units together too. - pierce
[2009-10-22 13:20:53] - Pierce: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+drinks+are+in+metric%3F -Paul
[2009-10-22 13:19:01] - a: beer is in ounces whenever I see it. a shot in the u.s. is 1.5 ounces. a "fifth" gets its name from being approximately a fifth of a gallon even though it's actually 750ml. you're right that there's a lot more metricity in alcohol but it's nowhere near all of it. - pierce
[2009-10-22 13:16:20] - sytycd_people: I saw Fame last night and Kherington is in it! (So was Debbie Allen but thats less random since she was apparently involved in the original and tv show.) I kept looking at her and being like WHO IS SHE! Then when the credits ran I was like DUH ~gurkie
[2009-10-22 13:07:28] - aaron: I will see you in 3 decahours! - Stephen
[2009-10-22 12:54:05] - a: so iow non-metric time is a big inconvenience to me, but non-metric everything else i don't really care about - aaron
[2009-10-22 12:53:21] - a: i care more about standardized time than about standardized units. it's pretty rare that it's a headache about "wait, so you're 10 miles away... how many feet is that?" but a lot of times it's really hard for me to do date/time math because of the crazy numbers involved in dates - aaron
[2009-10-22 12:45:48] - pierce: I am currently drinking from a liter bottle of seltzer water. Made by Giant, even. - Stephen
[2009-10-22 12:45:08] - doesn't anyone care (like politicians?) that this is probably hurting our standing in the marketplace? this could be a small but non-negligible (ligible?) factor that contributes to the fall of an empire. in case it isn't obvious, this is my pet-peeve. ~a
[2009-10-22 12:31:56] - but this is my favorite map: we are a dying breed. ~a
[2009-10-22 12:30:20] - pierce: regarding drink manufacturers: alcohol is all in metric too. also 3L bottles are less common, but exist. ~a
[2009-10-22 12:29:31] - though most of those are because there isn't a culturally ingrained competition to one of those units. ~a
[2009-10-22 12:28:06] - stephen: agree, we should switch over everything, but plenty of stuff is in metric now. volts, amperes, watts, and kWh (although i prefer the S.I. MJ) in electricity; ccs in volumes of things; keys of illegal drugs; lumens in light; pascals are sometimes used for pressure. ~a
[2009-10-22 12:19:41] - (and also other than the 500ml soda bottles coke tried for a time... I miss those) - pierce
[2009-10-22 12:19:12] - stephen: drink manufacturers? other than two-liter bottles, what drinks are in metric? - pierce
[2009-10-22 11:40:54] - Vinnie: Probably more difficult. I still think this country needs to switch to metric, though. Right now only scientists and drink manufacturers seem to. - Stephen
[2009-10-22 11:14:32] - aaron: sweden, not switzerland.
that's really interesting though, I wonder if that sort of thing would be harder or easier nowadays. my parents told me that India switched from a standard system to metric practically overnight, by replacing all the signs. I think they might be exaggerating - vinnie[2009-10-22 11:03:01] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H on september 3, 1967 switzerland changed from driving on the left to driving on the right overnight. - aaron
[2009-10-22 10:06:14] - paul: not a problem. our drafts have lately devolved into playing a few rounds then doing something else, so if you want to stop by later, we may be doing something else - vinnie
[2009-10-22 09:43:50] - a: pulling numbers... out of thin ass? - aaron
[2009-10-22 09:33:55] - Vinnie: I think I might have to back out of Magic, sorry. Hope you guys find a way to make 5 people work without too much inconvenience. -Paul
[2009-10-21 18:23:06] - aaron: out of the ass? ~a
[2009-10-21 18:20:25] - i would have smiled because that's a silly thing to yell. ~a
[2009-10-21 17:08:25] - a: of course with topics like "WAR" you wonder what the actual poll question was. unless maybe they actually just yelled "WAR" at people and wrote down if they smiled or frowned - aaron
[2009-10-21 17:07:53] - a: if i were pulling numbers out of the ass i would think gay rights would be you know, 60% democrats 20% republican but according to their polls i guess it didn't come out that way. - aaron
[2009-10-21 17:06:57] - a: i thought it was interesting that supposedly divisive issues like "gay rights" had very similar numbers on both sides of the board, while seemingly common issues such as "tax cuts" and "war" had very different numbers - aaron
[2009-10-21 17:06:20] - Gathering of magic? -Dewey
[2009-10-21 17:05:17] - a: yeah, it does play on stereotypes although some of the statistics it gives kind of dispel a lot of common stereotypes too. - aaron
[2009-10-21 16:54:04] - aaron: i think the image is cool. it highlights the mentality that these are just two ways at looking at the same problem (pluralism). but it also divides the world where no division is necessary. it seems to instill a bunch of false dichotomies, over-generalizations, and stereotypes. ~a
[2009-10-21 16:51:53] - counting Paul, we got six. Ryan wants to stop by later in the day - vinnie
[2009-10-21 16:39:40] - aaron: I red three white and one black. - Stephen
[2009-10-21 16:33:04] - vinnie: how mana people are coming? - aaron
[2009-10-21 16:15:39] - a "gathering" of sorts, haha - vinnie
[2009-10-21 16:10:21] - What's happening on Sunday?
[2009-10-21 16:05:23] - Vinnie: I might still be able to show up. I'll let you know. -Paul
[2009-10-21 16:03:02] - paul: so far it's an even number. but don't sweat it, if you need to have the yard sale, go for it. we have enough people that we'll be able to do something - vinnie
[2009-10-21 15:44:54] - Vinnie: Might be late or not able to make it. Thinking of having the yard sale that day. Do you have an odd number of people so far? -Paul
[2009-10-21 15:30:35] - paul: yes, planning on it. why? - vinnie
[2009-10-21 15:13:51] - Vinnie: Are you expecting to start on time (1pm) this Sunday?
-Paul[2009-10-21 14:51:23] - Bah, I work that Saturday after thanksgiving so the only thing I could attend would be the bar night. -Dewey
[2009-10-21 14:03:55] - I don't really remember who was in which classes I took. - pierce
[2009-10-21 13:52:36] - pierce, was miguel in our physics class? ~a
[2009-10-21 13:48:11] - berenty showed up at my work one day and i was like, "wtf?" he was here for some tj related reason (my work sometimes hires tj interns/mentorees). i guess he doesn't work at tj anymore? i vaguely remember reading that somewhere. ~a
[2009-10-21 13:31:12] - dammit a. - pierce
[2009-10-21 13:31:05] - he taught physics and ran the robotics lab. - pierce
[2009-10-21 13:28:00] - xpovos: omg! yeah he was the robotics teacher (pierce or miguel would know who he is). ~a
[2009-10-21 13:24:20] - He taught some science (physical, or computer?) class. I only know him because I played lacrosse with his son. Then some time later I heard he was a TJ teacher from TJ grads at VT. I spotted his paperwork during a random check-up of one of our new high schools. So he's still teaching. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-21 13:19:43] - gurkie: Me neither, but the name does sound vaguely familiar. - Stephen
[2009-10-21 13:08:16] - http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/leftvright_world.html left wing v right wing; this made digg today. i thought it was cool - aaron
[2009-10-21 12:58:41] - xpovos: no clue who that is... ~gurkie
[2009-10-21 12:54:17] - Stephen: Berenty. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-21 12:43:35] - Xpovos: I will bite. Or at least, I will ask you which teacher. - Stephen
[2009-10-21 12:26:15] - Stephen: Not all of them. A former TJ teacher just started working for one of my organizations. How I know that is a series of complicated questions. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-21 11:42:21] - Gurkie: I feel like those teachers are less likely to show up for some reason. Of course, all of our teachers are probably retired and living in Florida now. - Stephen
[2009-10-21 11:37:02] - a: I can see why you wouldn't want to go back again. I haven't been there since fall '99. but I have to say that I'd like to see people at a picnic more than the other options. don't have to dress nice, don't have to spend money, don't have to yell to have a conversation. and I can play frisbee when the conversation dries up! - vinnie
[2009-10-21 11:36:02] - a: I can see that but part of the interest in going back to the school would be going back with a group of people... It may suck in which case I will bail, but I wont be paying to attend so there is always that
~gurkie[2009-10-21 11:35:14] - Stephen: what you didnt take English, French, or History in HS? ~gurkie
[2009-10-21 11:21:07] - Gurkie: Good point about the teachers. I can tell all of them how glad I am not be involved in math, technology, or the sciences. - Stephen
[2009-10-21 11:19:15] - it is fun to see the school again, but i've done that a few times since 1999. once was in college with the grogan crowd, once was a picnic they had a while ago, and once was with lori. i've sucked enough nostalgia out of the campus. ~a
[2009-10-21 11:13:20] - Stephen/A: Really? I like the idea of the picnic, I wont bother with the oohing and aahing but I like the idea of seeing the school again, I wonder if the teachers will be back... We could play bridge in the lunch area and ... so forth ~gurkie
[2009-10-21 11:08:05] - title: uwn! ~a
[2009-10-21 11:07:33] - ah yes, i skipped pierce's parenthesized statements and probably shouldn't have. ~a
[2009-10-21 10:58:59] - paul: that one's likely not open bar, right? they might have special deals or something. ~a
[2009-10-21 10:55:26] - Vinnie: I'm definitely skipping the picnic. I don't want to ooh and aah over people's babies. - Stephen
[2009-10-21 10:54:16] - Doesn't the bar only cost $25? -Paul
[2009-10-21 10:52:28] - vinnie: the picnic is the only thing that i'm not attending! ~a
[2009-10-21 10:42:18] - gurkie: yeah for $100 we should get way past wasted. at least to "squandered", if not "depleted" - vinnie
[2009-10-21 10:40:22] - still beats the $130 per person (I think) that Amy's reunion is costing. but yeah, I think my chances of attending the bar or hotel are nil. but the picnic might not be bad! - vinnie
[2009-10-21 10:39:20] - aaron: do I really want to get wasted with a bunch of people I havent seen in 10 years? And you guys
you guys are good, but I can get wasted with you all for less than 100 bucks ~gurkie[2009-10-21 10:30:53] - gurkie: open bar! - aaron
[2009-10-21 10:30:05] - vinnie: if the U is "ur" whats the Y? ~gurkie
[2009-10-21 10:26:02] - urgh I was debating going when it was free! Now its 100 bucks?? ~gurkie
[2009-10-21 10:17:50] - and vinnie said that already...I'm slow -Bryan
[2009-10-21 10:15:58] - a: Yeah, it wouldn't even compile since he declared it twice. -Bryan
[2009-10-21 10:04:22] - paul: "ur" - vinnie
[2009-10-21 10:03:58] - paul: uwn. ~a
[2009-10-21 10:01:09] - a: What does the "u" stand for? -Paul
[2009-10-21 09:45:18] - xpovos: it's byub. ~a
[2009-10-21 09:36:34] - Xpovos: I think being at a BYU reunion would be rough for a lot of reasons. But even thinking about being at one makes me want a beer. - Stephen
[2009-10-21 09:29:10] - the double declaration is illegal in C#, it won't compile. must be an error in the post - vinnie
[2009-10-21 09:28:21] - Stephen: BYU, 10 year anniversary. Yikes! -- Xpovos
[2009-10-21 09:14:25] - Pierce: It had better come with the two drink tickets. Can you imagine being at a reunion sober? - Stephen
[2009-10-21 08:40:03] - a: I think it would compile. It might generate a warning, but it's not illegal, I don't think. But you're right, it depends on the language rules. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-20 22:31:24] - prices are $25 for friday night (comes with two drink tickets), $85 for saturday night (admission, food, open bar), $99 for admission to all events. I assume the thing at TJ is free. I'm curious whether the $99 package includes the two drink tickets since it only saves you $11 which is about what two drinks there would probably cost.
- pierce[2009-10-20 22:25:29] - I assume everyone got the facebook notification, but reunion details are up: friday night 8:30pm-12:30pm at the velvet lounge in DC, they've apparently booked the whole place. saturday 11am-2pm at TJ for family fun times and nostalgia. saturday 8pm-12am at the Westin Arlington Gateway, the more typical reunion event with an open bar and whatnot. - pierce
[2009-10-20 21:49:21] - yeah i'm thinking that was an error in the posting since that might not compile (disclaimer, i will never learn asp or csharp) ~a
[2009-10-20 21:15:59] - a: 'cause you're a decent coder? Even just defining it properly is probably better, though still bad form. And why did he define it twice... in a row? -- Xpovos
[2009-10-20 18:06:11] - xpovos: yeah, totally. though if it were me, i'd probably have imgHeight = DEFAULT_IMAGE_HEIGHT (and define that as a static final in the beginning). ~a
[2009-10-20 18:04:18] - http://www.businessinsider.com/20-year-old-buys-home-with-183000-fha-loan-and-just-35-down-2009-10 -- xpovos
[2009-10-20 18:04:14] - a: Totally. But I was really worried for a minute. Magic number on a failure is almost acceptable. -- Xpovos
[2009-10-20 18:03:28] - no, the magic number line (imgHeight = 85) only happens if there is an error in the ugly code. and as always, there are lots of other wtfs. ~a
[2009-10-20 17:46:34] - Chad Ochocinco iPhone app: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_bengals_ochocinco_s_app -sam
[2009-10-20 17:29:50] - Looking at that middle piece, did he just do all that back end calculation in a very ugly fashion only to end up defining the variable in question with a magic number? -- Xpovos
[2009-10-20 17:29:04] - I'm used to seeing bad code on TDWTF, including much that I don't understand. I don't speak .NET at all, but like most languages, it follows a pattern, so I can generally read it. This story confuses the heck out of me... which is a good sign that it's a true WTF. {...} -- Xpovos
[2009-10-20 14:12:00] - a: Sigh I forgot about that mom... I can see backing down, at the same time you didnt sound smug and she was reading it with a total bias which you didnt include... ~gurkie
[2009-10-20 13:33:16] - a: ah that makes sense. - aaron
[2009-10-20 13:23:52] - well maybe it's a subset of the include vulnerability when the attacker has local file write access to the include path. in other words, in java, if i could put a class into your classpath, then i could probably do some damage. ~a
[2009-10-20 13:21:56] - aaron: it is where someone can exploit a site in order to upload a local file of their choice even if an uploader isn't present -Bryan
[2009-10-20 13:06:35] - does anybody know what a "local file inclusion bug" is? i've seen it referenced a few times, and i don't know what it means - aaron
[2009-10-20 12:59:17] - ≈ bacon!
[2009-10-20 12:31:26] - they never responded. and i don't blame them
~a[2009-10-20 12:07:38] - a: There's no way you could have known about copyright law, and laws pertaining to minors, as well as someone who worked in publishing. And given that you were only two years older than her daughter, she should have known that. What was TJ's response to all this? - Stephen
[2009-10-20 12:02:12] - oops, i was too trigger happy with the "e" key. ~a
[2009-10-20 11:23:22] - stepehen: it's kind of anti-climatic, but here it is. i was probably in the wrong despite her rabidness. either way, it's ancient history. ~a
[2009-10-20 10:58:07] - aaron: Wow, I had no idea. She probably had a heart attack when she first learned about Facebook. - Stephen
[2009-10-20 09:21:57] - stephen: adrian temporarily hosted everyone's yearbook photos from our senior class publicly, on this web site. and someone's mother sent him a threatening e-mail about how - like, it was illegal - or immoral - and how he had to take them down immediately. that's why all the pictures are pw-protected now - aaron
[2009-10-20 09:00:28] - a: What conversation is everyone talking about? - Stephen
[2009-10-19 18:11:21] - god, i'm looking back over that conversation. she was fucking rabid. ~a
[2009-10-19 17:39:05] - a: meh, there's reason to believe that the objection nine years ago was a specific combination of a protective parent of a minor child. I doubt any adult from our class would be anywhere near that protective of their own photo, and the parents shouldn't be playing that role at this point. - pierce
[2009-10-19 17:32:25] - god, what the hell happened to the last 9 years? ~a
[2009-10-19 17:31:57] - does whatsername's mom objecting 9 years ago count? ~a
[2009-10-19 17:22:47] - a: I don't really see a downside to allowing it until and unless someone objects. - pierce
[2009-10-19 16:37:07] - a: ah, gotcha. and people in the facebook group have access to that password, I guess. yeah that's probably good enough security - vinnie
[2009-10-19 16:04:52] - vinnie: there is a "facebook" username/password (already). sadly the password is available to anyone on the open internet (but don't tell anyone, shhhh). ~a
[2009-10-19 15:57:00] - and sorry if I made it seem like I thought it was a bad idea to share with the rest of the class. I don't. I was just pointing out that you might get requests to take the thing down if it's accessible to anyone - vinnie
[2009-10-19 15:53:45] - a: if it's password protected, I doubt anyone will care, we all have the damn yearbook. maybe I don't understand how you will control access via facebook. I thought you were just going to make everything public - vinnie
[2009-10-19 15:50:46] - a: I try to never underestimate the ability of people to be offended by something.
-Paul[2009-10-19 15:39:00] - usually i take the "when did we forget our dreams?" mentality, but when other peoples' privacy is concerned, i try to be more conservative. ~a
[2009-10-19 15:36:57] - seriously though, do you guys think somebody is going to throw a fit? ~a
[2009-10-19 15:35:47] - pierce: yeah very funny. ~a
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