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[2009-12-03 13:34:32] - im not a scary mbti nerd, but I appreciate your nerdiness for what it is... ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 13:26:10] - Amy: im impressed again! I was only 11 or 12 in the ES but F was like 60 some and P was 30 some... ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 13:23:12] - Amy: No! I think it's totally cool. I guess all that means is that I am a scary mbti nerd, too. But I admire your skill! - Stephen
[2009-12-03 13:16:32] - or not just figure out ppl's types but use it as a way to describe ppl's behavior? "____ is such an ENFP, look at this email he wrote me" etc. -amy
[2009-12-03 13:15:27] - stephen: probably a sign that i am a scary mbti nerd. vinnie and i talk about it a lot too, sometimes we try to figure out what ppl's types are. huh does that make us sound creepy? ^_^; -amy
[2009-12-03 13:13:47] - i don't get this old scott mccloud comic: http://scottmccloud.com/2009/12/03/the-lost-cat-a-lost-comic/ is he sad bc he ends up leaving it instead of taking it? -amy
[2009-12-03 13:13:30] - Amy: You are uncannily good at predicting MBTI results. - Stephen
[2009-12-03 12:59:35] -
- pierce[2009-12-03 12:59:30] - amy: spoken like a true non-TJ person
[2009-12-03 12:53:04] - pierce: i'm sorry but there's totally no way gurkie could be T or J ^_^; I could see I or N but not the other two. -amy
[2009-12-03 12:50:25] - imbalanced. - Stephen
[2009-12-03 12:50:21] - gurkie: you just hate me, that's why you changed your personality so my guess would be wrong. - pierce
[2009-12-03 12:50:19] - Gurkie: Or Paul is just a ridiculously unbalanced individual ;0) - Stephen
[2009-12-03 12:49:29] - Aaron: You seem like way more of an ISTP to me. An ISTJ would be like TJ-era me. - Stephen
[2009-12-03 12:45:35] - Gurkie: And don't forget that my I was 100%
-Paul[2009-12-03 12:45:21] - Aaron: S is Sensing (vs N for Intuitive). I used to be a very strong N but when I retook the test this morning, my N was the weakest of my four attributes. -Paul
[2009-12-03 12:43:33] - 1%??? you guys are crazy indecisive... Paul had 3 of his be by 80% or higher! ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 12:43:06] - a: although I also had some issues where i am like that really depends and just went with my gut ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 12:41:56] - also, I really really dont think the description fits me... ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 12:41:46] - amy wins! ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 12:39:18] - a: its supposed to be which was applies to you more... not do you both of these
~gurkie[2009-12-03 12:36:51] - apparently i'm ISTJ. what's an S? and yeah, J was only 1%, so really I'm like ISTP/ISTJ mixed. - aaron
[2009-12-03 12:18:14] - and I was ENTP again, no surprise except that the T was only with 1% strength. - pierce
[2009-12-03 12:16:39] - gurkie: I guess ESTJ. - pierce
[2009-12-03 12:09:02] - gurkie: since both answers applied to me for most of the questions, i answered "yes" to all of them and got: esfj. ~a
[2009-12-03 12:07:38] - gurkie: I'll guess ESFP. -amy
[2009-12-03 12:03:38] - (and I was no slouch) - pierce
[2009-12-03 12:03:20] - I'm kinda curious to see that guys total played time, since I could easily imagine he has spent more time in the game since the achievement system was added a year or two ago than I did the whole time I played it. - pierce
[2009-12-03 12:02:15] - aaron: yeah, that's absolutely insane. the achievements run the gamut... from the hardmode of the boss you can only kill if you've beaten the other hardest bosses on hardmode, to being at the very top levels of pvp, to grinding away at reputations that no longer have any relevance in the game, to holiday events that require you to have luck on a specific day. - pierce
[2009-12-03 11:29:10] - aaron: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 11:25:26] - gurkie: which test did you take? i want to take one. - aaron
[2009-12-03 10:31:53] - I only got one letter of Gurkie's correct, initially. But when told that, I guessed her results the 2nd time. - Stephen
[2009-12-03 10:22:12] - Aaron: That is terrifying. - Stephen
[2009-12-03 10:13:25] - also is meyers briggs and jung meyers briggs the same thing? Cause I dont know if I took the right test... ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 10:08:34] - the meyers briggs comments the other day had me wondering what mine would be... I know some people guess everyones... so I took the test today. Any interest in guessing? ~gurkie
[2009-12-03 10:07:00] - i remember someone telling me about some of the achievements in the game, it definitely sounds like this would not have been any fun at all - aaron
[2009-12-03 10:06:40] - http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/02/taiwanese-man-beats-world-of-warcraft/ taiwanese man beats world of warcraft - aaron
[2009-12-03 08:54:19] - pierce: requesting a new credit card is easier than changing your cell phone number. and illegitimate credit card charges can be traced, which isn't always true of cell phone calls. i'm more leery of giving out my cell phone number than i am of giving out my credit card info - aaron
[2009-12-03 02:31:46] - OK, I'm done flooding the message board for the next seven days. I will not be able to find this when I come back unless I under a unique search string, so: 120309 I say Good Day. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-03 02:29:06] - and then took it away without warning or explanation, effectively limiting the options of their player base. Unless the setup gives a competative advantage in, say, PvP, that's stupid. And if it does give a competative advantage, it's still stupid. But maybe understandable. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-03 02:28:01] - Mostly, I think the complaint there is that the game developers should not limit the input options for their game on a programable system like a compute without compelling reason. If a player wants to map 'move forward to the | key and move back to the F12 key, why the hell should the programmers care? AoC was particularly bad because they had the feature he 'needed',
[2009-12-03 02:26:17] - Also, I think it was less about immersion and more about the control set up he's gotten used to. When you have to fight muscle memory, it makes it hard to pick up a game. I notice this even with old Final Fantays games vs. new ones, or PS ones vs. Nintendo ones. Menu and cancel buttons get shifted... and that's just one button! -- Xpovos
[2009-12-03 02:24:01] - pierce: For Age of Conan, though, some form of adult ID would be required, I could see that. And credit cards are de facto for the internet there. I'm not sure how a SMS enabled phone would help you get categorized as an adult though. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-03 01:28:07] - it's like "man, metal detectors are so invasive. can't they just give me a manual rectal search instead?" since we're all about vulgar metaphors in this circumstance. - pierce
[2009-12-03 01:26:48] - the SMS thing was definitely stupid on toast though, especially since it could be circumvented by making a new account they have even less information about. I thought it was ironic that he didn't want to give them his phone number because he thought they might abuse it, and his suggested alternative was his credit card. - pierce
[2009-12-03 01:25:38] - I guess I understand it, but if the game isn't an FPRPG then his whole "THE MOUSE IT IS MAH EYES" immersion argument falls to shit. I know my viewing angle of the world isn't ten feet behind me and six feet above me. - pierce
[2009-12-02 22:25:03] - Ahh. It's funny because it's pain someone else endured. But seriously, I can't help but empathize with his rage. 10 hours of download, hours of install, for that? Plus the whole SMS for identification crap... What the fuck is that? -- Xpovos
[2009-12-02 22:24:04] - a: He describes in another post how he toggles mouselock for interfacing with the screen, so the toggle needs to exist and it has to be fairly convenient. He got a system hack that will do the trick it seems. Still, I posted it for lines like that. I almost died laughing at the point where after 6 hours of downloading he finally realizes the new game doesn't work either
[2009-12-02 19:55:40] - a/aaron: apparently andrew wk played in vienna a couple months ago. I should really sign up for one of those services that tell you when bands you like are touring
- vinnie[2009-12-02 18:45:26] - on the other hand, maybe in MMOs this is less important because it's not always a first-person view? also in MMOs you need to click on stuff on the screen which is contrary to mouselook. ~a
[2009-12-02 18:41:50] - xpovos: "I’m asking if I can have one of your free samples at the deli, and you’re telling me we gotta have rough unprotected sex first."
seriously though this guy is 1000% correct. (maybe even 2000%) mouselook is the reason i get out of bed in the morning. ~a[2009-12-02 16:39:42] - vinnie: yeah, there's at least like - three or four questions i can think of - why did the car wash start if her wheel wasn't in the wheel well? how did she know to block the door? why didn't she get the convenience store owner's attention herself? and what was the situation like when mr. feces stumbled onto it? ahhhh this could be a feature film - aaron
[2009-12-02 16:05:36] - aaron: that story raises a lot of questions. even the little parenthetical at the end doesn't explain much! - vinnie
[2009-12-02 15:56:43] - http://notalwaysright.com/random-acts-of-wetness/3348 random acts of wetness - this was one of the most random notalwaysrights i've ever seen - aaron
[2009-12-02 15:52:37] - gurkie: yeah, a pretty common pattern i've seen in dos/unix is to have like basename $0 $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9.... - aaron
[2009-12-02 15:19:10] - satan: i'm scared
- aaron[2009-12-02 15:15:44] - Hey, so I am editing a twiddle script which includes MYSCRIPT = `basename $0` if I add an optional param do I need to edit that to MYSCRIPT = `basename $0 $1` ? I dont apparently know much about scripting... ~gurkie
[2009-12-02 15:11:57] - http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=5832 -- Xpovos
[2009-12-02 15:10:15] - whoa, did anyone just feel a chill? - satan
[2009-12-02 14:46:42] - Gurkie: Ok, well, that makes more sense I guess. So does Pierce's explanation. -Paul
[2009-12-02 13:59:29] - a: how about no... ~gurkie
[2009-12-02 13:49:57] - mig: Yea I basically said I didnt think it would work, and am going to email him saying I confirmed my weekend plans and will be unable... since I did
~gurkie[2009-12-02 13:49:28] - Paul: I was actually thinking Sat Nam only has one controller, and it would work well for my parents to have more... I wasnt thinking of keeping additional controllers at your place... ~gurkie
[2009-12-02 12:29:56] - paul: the logical response is obviously that the wii hasn't been used in months because it doesn't have enough controllers. - pierce
[2009-12-02 12:27:25] - Gurkie: Wait, why do you want/need more wii controllers for the wii that you have not used in months? Also, why can't Koo watch his own kids? -Paul
[2009-12-02 12:18:08] - gurkie: make it clear you have other plans. - mig
[2009-12-02 12:15:25] - gurkie: you should join "the babysitters". ~a
[2009-12-02 12:10:13] - mig: argh, I think Koo is trying to get me to babysit his kids during the party! I really dont want to babysit 4 kids, considering I fight over babysitting my neices I really dont want to babysit his 4 kids. ~gurkie
[2009-12-02 12:10:12] - Xpovos: Thanks for that heads up. I mostly want to unload the Wii off my hands as I don't use it, so I will probably sell it for less than it's worth, even used. - Stephen
[2009-12-02 12:09:06] - Stephen: Id buy a controller or 2 off you depending on the price if your friends dont want/need 4... ~gurkie
[2009-12-02 12:01:23] - the only game I've seemed to play a lot was Smash Bros. I did like punch out a lot but it got super frustrating to try and finish so I gave up on it. - mig
[2009-12-02 11:58:29] - to be honest, I've been thinking of dumping my wii as well, since I never seem to use it anymore. - mig
[2009-12-02 11:58:07] - gurkie: it is this saturday but aaron is not going, I might also try to duck out early if i can, since I can't imagine being there from 6:30-11:30. - mig
[2009-12-02 11:56:29] - aaron: someone in the book I was reading last night was referred to as "Er Bear" ~gurkie
[2009-12-02 11:56:24] - Stephen: To give you some extra insight, I just bought (new) a Wii and Wii Fit + (with balance board) for about $230. Sizeable discount, but just a regular promotion, no rewards cards trade-in or anything. So, a lot depends on your value of the extra game(s) and the controllers. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-02 11:56:14] - stephen: why are you unwiiing yourself?
[2009-12-02 11:54:29] - aaruel: is your holiday party this saturday? ~gurkie
[2009-12-02 11:09:46] - Mig: Thanks. I'm including one or two extra games as well, so I will probably say it's worth $225 (I am selling to my friends at a discount). - Stephen
[2009-12-02 10:48:11] - maybe $200. the MSRP for a new wii and 3 extra remotes would be a little over $300, so I think 60-75% of that value would be fair. - mig
[2009-12-02 10:46:19] - stephen: with the extra controllers (the wii comes packaged with 1) i wouldn't go less than $225. - mig
[2009-12-02 10:25:24] - Does anyone have a guess how much a lightly used Wii with four controllers would go for? $150? - Stephen
[2009-12-02 09:53:21] - Stephen: Right, but Sweden isn't so much the issue there anymore. Obviously play for it, but also go after Warsaw. And on the diplomatic side of Diplomacy, ensure that France stays aggressive against England so that England can't support Russia, and maybe enlist Austria to tie up Russia's southern border. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-02 09:18:57] - Aaron: I kinda assumed that Germany instigated the whole thing by keeping Russia out of Sweden in the early going, but I hadn't given it much thought. -Paul
[2009-12-02 08:57:54] - Xpovos: Germany tried to get Sweden back, but it's tough when England supported Russia into Sweden. - Stephen
[2009-12-02 08:52:10] - It also makes me question why Germany didn't persue a more aggressive anti-Russian play in 1902 as well. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-02 07:17:36] - the growth of a rival, clearly setting a target as to who Germany is going after. Slowing Russia's growth to turn and attack France just annoys two neighbors at once. So, while Germany's move is reasonable, it's aggressive and anti-Russia and warrants Russia's response into Sweden. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-02 07:16:04] - Well, Russia instigated, if we think Germany's turn was reasonable, by attacking German territory in 1902. Germany's move was agressive in that Germany has the capacity to go for three supply centers itself, or go for two and block France, England or Russia, or perhaps two of them from getting a supply center. This not only gets Germany the second (good) but slows ...
[2009-12-02 02:03:15] - and it's not exactly a ubiquitous device and not a lot of people would still be running that kernel and those libraries, so it's not exactly low-hanging fruit as far as exploits are concerned. - pierce
[2009-12-02 02:00:54] - well since it doesn't have a general web browser, they're probably safe from most vulnerabilities. and since it's a video streaming device at its core, even in the worst case scenario it's not like malicious code could compromise much of roku's customers' vital information. - pierce
[2009-12-02 00:36:48] - fair enough. i guess then they have to know a lot more about the libraries to keep the old versions patched to protect against new vulnerabilities? ~a
[2009-12-02 00:00:00] - a: it's an old version if you're thinking of it in terms of a computer, but as a piece of consumer electronics it makes a lot more sense for them to settle on the baseline OS/libraries early and test extensively, rather than risk a bug that might even make network patching impossible and require a physical recall. - pierce
[2009-12-01 23:51:23] - xpovos: to expand, when do you think russia instigated? and how do you think germany's 1901 turn was aggressive? - aaron
[2009-12-01 22:58:27] - pierce: weird. the roku box uses linux 2.6.19 (06)? kind of an old version. alsa 1.0.13 (06)? hmph. ~a
[2009-12-01 22:32:14] - Looking back a few turns, though, Russia probably though Sweden should rightfully have been his anyway after Germany's aggressive 1901 turn. Smart play by Germany to prevent growth, but it makes an enemy... or an unstable border. Or both. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 22:28:29] - aaron: It looks like Russia instigated, probably out of desire to work something out safely with Austria re: Turkey. Germany is a likely target then, but it appears the move was ill-recieved by England who took advantage... despite what seemed like very anti-Anglo positioning from France. Now, that's just a surface glance from a non-player this game. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 22:22:48] - Aaron: I know! I know! - Stephen
[2009-12-01 22:19:34] - who do you guys think provoked the russian/german war between daniel and stephen? do you think stephen provoked it or do you think daniel did? also, who do you think started the russian/german war? - aaron
[2009-12-01 21:45:34] - Stephen: That would be an amusing game of Diplomacy for sure. Could do all the diplomatizing right here on the message board. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 21:01:15] - Paul: I think you are more devious than the average player in our group, but only because I agree with what Aaron said. I still want to try out the "All Care Bear" game and see how that goes. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 21:00:21] - Paul: I haven't been warning him. Then again, he and I haven't been on the best of terms. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 17:45:44] - paul: you should rephrase your question... are you more or less devious than the median diplomacy player in your group
~gurkie[2009-12-01 17:28:02] - Aaron: Heh. Sadly, I actually remember him telling me how EVERYBODY is warning him about my inevitable backstab already. -Paul
[2009-12-01 17:15:39] - paul: don't worry, france, england and turkey are feeding him plenty of negative propaganda too. we have a mailing list - aaron
[2009-12-01 17:13:48] - Aaron: I'm just trying to fight all that negative propaganda about me that he is getting force fed at work every day apprently.
-Paul[2009-12-01 17:11:00] - paul: tsk, now what does that have to do with you talking up your non-hostile intentions
- aaron[2009-12-01 17:08:04] - Aaron: Yeah, I was trying to reassure Daniel about my non-hostile intentions towards him after he mentioned how you and Miguel were talking up my deviousness, but then I realized that I might not have much of a leg to stand on.
-Paul[2009-12-01 17:04:09] - paul: i think you're more devious than the average player in our group, no contest. but we have some real bunny rabbits that swing the curve pretty deep into the cuddle zone - aaron
[2009-12-01 16:56:26] - paul: i'm almost never on the receiving end of your wrath unless it's too late. so i have to abstain. ~a
[2009-12-01 16:53:52] - Diplomacy people: Do you think I am more or less devious than the average diplomacy player in our group? -Paul
[2009-12-01 16:23:01] - haha, misspoke there. obviously I meant own country
- vinnie[2009-12-01 16:22:32] - doesn't Texas want to be its own state anyway? you'd think there would be more support for secession within the Democratic community
- vinnie[2009-12-01 16:00:05] - gwb: HAH! i was like . . . i . . . don't . . . remember . . . creating a color for gwb.
~a[2009-12-01 15:34:48] - Stephen: Heh, it took longer than I thought for somebody to point out the questionable assumption of Texas (and New Mexico and Arizona) being "gains". -Paul
[2009-12-01 15:27:28] - GWB: Go away. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 15:27:02] - Gurkie: Sure, why not. The food will be just as good (and cheaper!) when it's not part of this country, and we won't have to subsidize one of the poorest states in the country. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 15:17:46] - stephen:
- gwb[2009-12-01 15:11:09] - Stephen: you want to get rid of NM? And AZ? WHAT???? NM has really yummy good, and a lot of very cool areas. ~gurkie
[2009-12-01 15:02:05] - Paul: Are you suggesting that Texas, New Mexico and Arizona were gains? I wouldn't really mind seeing them rejoin Mexico... - Stephen
[2009-12-01 14:47:46] - Vinnie: So, in a way, it was profitable for the US. -Paul
[2009-12-01 14:47:34] - Vinnie: Yeah, I agree. The war wasn't necessarily profitable, but since Mexico (understandably) didn't want to sell us the land, the only way the US could get it was to take it by force. -Paul
[2009-12-01 14:45:15] - sorry, it makes sense why they wouldn't accept our offer, is what I meant - vinnie
[2009-12-01 14:44:42] - the wikipedia article suggests that we did offer Mexico money before the war started for the territories we eventually got, but that they turned us down. it makes sense why they wouldn't but it ended up costing both sides more than it could have - vinnie
[2009-12-01 14:44:14] - aaron: why do I always have to read??? But I do think it sounds fun... lets do it when I have time... urm hows January sound? ~gurkie
[2009-12-01 14:42:49] - paul: yeah I think what complicates things is that it's somewhat like the prisoner's dilemma. if my threat of war is enough to get you to cede, it's profitable for me to declare war on you. but if you retaliate instead of surrendering, it costs us both - vinnie
[2009-12-01 14:20:18] - Vinnie: Although we might've been able to buy Texas for cheaper than it cost to whip up an army to take it by force.
-Paul[2009-12-01 14:18:33] - Vinnie: I think that while on average, wars are unprofitable, they can certainly be profitable for certain countries involved in wars. The Mexican-American war would seem to be a great example where the US got a lot (Texas) for relatively little cost. -Paul
[2009-12-01 14:14:40] - aaron: sure we had gains but was it really profitable? we spent tons of resources to make those gains. maybe in the long-run, you are right. but if it was indeed profitable, was it the most profitable we could have been? it costs so much to attack someone, both in resources and human lives. if people can work together, it generates resources - vinnie
[2009-12-01 14:08:31] - we just forgot how some time in the last 200-or-so years
- aaron[2009-12-01 14:08:15] - vinnie: one of my coworkers wants to qualify your statement as, "war is very unprofitable nowadays" since america clearly profited from war in the past - aaron
[2009-12-01 14:07:16] - Vinnie: I think nukes certainly help reduce the "profitabilty" of war.
-Paul[2009-12-01 14:01:08] - it's hard to imagine a popular war happening again. but if for some reason china did attack us, declared war I mean, I think war would have almost unilateral support in the US - vinnie
[2009-12-01 14:00:34] - stephen: hmph i thought america was 47% liberal hippies and 47% gun-toting rednecks - aaron
[2009-12-01 14:00:31] - aaron: it's hard to imagine a popular war nowadays because of our position in the world. nobody really poses a threat to us except maybe china? but attacking us would hurt both countries considerably, the world is starting to realize war is very unprofitable
- vinnie[2009-12-01 14:00:06] - Aaron: I think I see your point and I somewhat agree that 50% being in favor of a war seems like a high percentage, but I also think there's plenty of people who support wars without a full recognition of the costs, especially with our modern wars where the majority of the population doesn't feel the effects of a war. -Paul
[2009-12-01 13:55:21] - Aaron: I think in 2002 far more than 50% of Americans were in favor of being in Afghanistan. And like Paul said, I think the same is true for WWII (and I doubt many Americans were opposed to fighting the Civil War on either side). - Stephen
[2009-12-01 13:51:22] - do you guys at least agree that 50% of people being in favor of a war seems like a high percentage? it seems high to me, it's kind of like one of those "50% of students have never driven drunk to get to class" statistics. - aaron
[2009-12-01 13:50:06] - possibly my world view is just skewed from never having been alive for a "popular war", but i mean, if paul's right and there hasn't been a popular war for like 60 years, then it's just - i mean will it ever happen again? it's hard for me to imagine - aaron
[2009-12-01 13:48:45] - vinnie: i guess i mean ever, regardless of who was the "aggressor". world war 2 - maybe had broad support, but i think if there was an equivalent war today, a lot of people would still oppose war, just, unilaterally - aaron
[2009-12-01 13:41:51] - Aaron: Not sure if this is what you meant, but I think at least world war 2 had pretty broad based support among the population. You could be right about most of the other US wars. -Paul
[2009-12-01 13:26:47] - aaron: even if we were attacked? or did you mean as the aggressor - vinnie
[2009-12-01 12:42:47] - actually that seems remarkably high to me, i wonder what the highest level of support is, for any war ever? i feel like it would like - never go above 60-65% - aaron
[2009-12-01 12:41:31] - mig: i think 50/50 support for afghanistan is actually way above iraq war levels - aaron
[2009-12-01 12:32:03] - Mig: See, Afghanistan is different from Iraq. It has more letters, ethnicities and languages, so it's totally more governable. It's not like the Soviet Union couldn't control Afghanistan. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 12:27:12] - something about Iraq, failure not an option ... republicans... so weird. - mig
[2009-12-01 12:25:41] - stephen: i'm getting a strange sense of deja vu and I can't tell why..... - mig
[2009-12-01 12:24:50] - mig: Well how else are we going to win a war that is totally unwinnable? The Democrats keep talking about preventing Afghanistan from becoming a failed state, like it has ever had a hope of being anything else. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 12:21:49] - aaron: that was true in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, but it's popularity is getting down to the Iraq War levels if you look at some recent pollings. - mig
[2009-12-01 12:16:58] - mig: to play "obama's advocate" - more people were adamantly against the war in iraq than the war in afghanistan - aaron
[2009-12-01 12:08:12] - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30037.html Obama plans a "surge" in afghanistan. horray for change? - mig
[2009-12-01 12:05:05] - stephen: i have in the past wished I was more E or more J. i still do wish I was more E actually. -amy
[2009-12-01 12:04:44] - stephen/aaron: i LOLed at it has to always be gurkie ,) -amy
[2009-12-01 12:01:29] - stephen: Actually, it's always gurkie, and it's always the same question - that's very instrumental to gameplay
- aaron[2009-12-01 12:00:53] - so, she says "empire strikes back", and says vinnie, who matches, and then says stephen, who matches, and then says aaron - but i didn't match. she gets 2 points, vinnie and stephen both get 1 point, and it's the next person's turn to read a question - aaron
[2009-12-01 12:00:26] - Aaron: It sounds fun, but only if it's always Gurkie reading the question. - stephen
[2009-12-01 11:59:55] - oh tell me if this game sounds fun. gurkie reads a question, something multiple choice and matchy like, "The best star wars movie is ______". Everyone writes down their answer. Then, she says her answer - and one by one, guesses people who said her same answer - aaron
[2009-12-01 11:52:56] - Stephen: Nope. I was 100% happy with my result (INTJ). In fact, when I read through "Please Understand Me", I thought it was a little eerie how accurately the description of INTJ fit me. -Paul
[2009-12-01 11:52:48] - Paul: Wikipedia also lists Warren Buffet as a 'notable' under botht INTJ and ISTJ. Nice. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 11:51:20] - Has anyone tried to change their test result b/c they didn't like what their profile said about them? Like, I used to be an ISTJ (i.e. conservative worker drone), but now I've become slightly more of an ISFJ, which makes me far happier. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 11:49:57] - INTJ and INTP definitely imply nerd, at least to me. That's not a bad thing though, generally speaking! - Stephen
[2009-12-01 11:45:54] - Xpovos: From wikipedia: "One of the rarest of the sixteen personality types, INTJs account for about 1–4% of the population." -Paul
[2009-12-01 11:45:49] - (more than a ton. a ton of INTJs would be 10-15 of them. keep forgetting that.) -amy
[2009-12-01 11:44:29] - oh i thought INFJ was rarest. 1% of population. i know a ton of INTJs but naturally my friend network is skewed. -amy
[2009-12-01 11:41:09] - I read a study where INTJs are supposed to be the rarest type. We just clump together, I guess. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 11:40:30] - While I can see definite P tendencies in Aaron, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't predominantly J. He's Mr. Patterns! The one that gets me there is the E/I because he's one of the most extroverted introverts I know.
-- Xpovos[2009-12-01 11:36:36] - one of my students, in a discussion about nerds, mentioned that many of her friends are INTJ. i actually didn't bring up myers-briggs, she did! anyway the implication was that to her, INTJ = nerd ,) -amy
[2009-12-01 11:34:56] - haha there were a lot of INTJs at TJ. I'd say probably more than any other type - vinnie
[2009-12-01 11:34:28] - aaron: I think you did test INTJ last time we took it, but you must be borderline on J. I've noticed P's tend to try a lot of things and see what sticks, J's have a better sense of what they like already. the fact that you come up with so many random games and variations has always seemed very P to me - vinnie
[2009-12-01 11:32:52] - Aaron: I was a TJ back then, although I couldn't be more of an S if I tried. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 11:29:57] - i think everyone at TJ was an INTJ though or something, i thought that was the joke - aaron
[2009-12-01 11:29:32] - sorry i don't remember my type! i guess i'll have to take a meyers briggs test again some time - aaron
[2009-12-01 11:25:35] - Amy: Aaron seems like more of an INTP to me, too. But maybe he just hides how sensitive and emotional he is :0) - Stephen
[2009-12-01 11:16:23] - stephen: i guess i'm a pretty easy guess? (though maybe not, looking at others' guesses on fb, and also ppl tend to guess me as T a lot for some reason) but i do think the INFP description fits me perfectly. -amy
[2009-12-01 11:15:27] - xpovos: haha you're totally right, i forgot about my J tendency of CLEANING. now that you mention it i am looking around and it does scream J around here ^_^; also agree about Ps and artists, actually I thought Aaron was INTP? i can see arguments for both sides of J/P for him. -amy
[2009-12-01 11:15:11] - Amy: I would have guessed INFP too. Although I can see how you have a lot of J tendencies. - Stephen
[2009-12-01 10:48:31] - xpovos: the email content in my opinion was pretty damning, when you're suggesting intentionally destroying data in order to avoid FOI requests, keeping people who may not agree with you out of the peer review process ... that's a serious credibility problem. - mig
[2009-12-01 10:45:08] - Artists in general tend to trend P, I think. Though I think that Aaron makes an awesome exception. But your household whenever I've been over is just screaming J. So I pieced the two together and made you expressive on the exterior and oriented on the interior. Yay! Glad I got it right. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 10:38:31] - ...anyone else is going to guess.) -amy
[2009-12-01 10:38:26] - ...i identify as INFP bc the type as a whole suits me whereas INFJ does not really desc me. I is my next weakest one, though I used to be more extroverted than I am now (and have tested as E in the past). experience has made me a lot more self-conscious and insecure around others, and therefore less outgoing. now shh don't tell fb yet (though it doesn't look like... -amy
[2009-12-01 10:36:58] - xpovos: good job! and you're right about P from the hobbies, one way I determine J vs. P in others is if somebody has a lot of crazy projects and varied interests, they're probably a P. also right about lifestyle. I'm actually very close to borderline on J vs P bc in contrast to the crazy hobbies, i also tend to enjoy planning, organizing, making lists, etc. but... -amy
[2009-12-01 10:27:39] - amy: Yep. I'd guess you (the other one, which I didn't respond to) as a INFP, though the P is probably coming more from your hobbies than your lifestyle. I'd also not be surprised if you were far more extroverted than I know, because I generally only see you around Vinnie's friends. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 10:25:24] - xpovos: i am an N, pretty strongly ^_^ i do have some S traits though. I think i'm like 75% N or something. it makes sense it would be harder for you to tell the diff since you are borderline... for me i can sense Ts easily sometimes bc i can tell they are very different from me in the T/F spectrum. -amy
[2009-12-01 10:23:05] - gurkie: Google Wave invite was immediately recursive. Thanks! I have 8 for myself now. Time to get inviting. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 10:22:34] - So, my attempts to understand the differences have been thwarted frequently, because I can't actually percieve one. It's kind of cool, but also a bit like being colorblind. There's something out there that's obvious to everyone else, and I don't recognize it. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 10:21:12] - amy: See, by my book, that makes you an N too, then. N = Knowing, you arrive at the conclusion. S = Sensing, you determine a conclusion by deduction through your senses. The problem for me has always been that those definitions don't work for me, because I do both--which I guess is why I show up as a wash on N/S so often. Also, the S sort of overlaps the T, a bit. -- X
[2009-12-01 10:18:32] - btw all these expls are like going backwards for me. i came to the conclusion first, then i had to think a lot about how i arrived at it, heh. -amy
[2009-12-01 10:16:42] - xpovos: you def don't strike me as the sort of person who cares about things that are necessarily popular at the moment. -amy
[2009-12-01 10:14:48] - ...talking about. -amy
[2009-12-01 10:14:43] - xpovos: so about n vs. s... hmm, i think N's are more common than S's among people who enjoy heavily analytical games like mtg. also people who like arcane or unconventional things are more commonly N. people who have their own idea of how they want to do things and the things that they like, rather than going with what's popular or what everyone else is doing or... -amy
[2009-12-01 10:12:46] - paul: thanks for the info ^_^ -amy
[2009-12-01 10:02:23] - amy: I imagine it involved wood, and saws, and possible nails or screws.
-Paul[2009-12-01 09:52:44] - paul: in conclusion, you don't actually know how it was made at all? ,) got it. -amy
[2009-12-01 09:49:06] - Amy: Gurkie has it mostly right. I'm not sure it was next day delivery but it was close.
I could ask my dad how much it cost him to make it, but I think he might've had some of the parts laying around. -Paul[2009-12-01 09:48:21] - Aaron: Let me first say that I haven't been following the climate data/email controversy much, but I thought the most damning parts were where the climate-change backers talked about trying to suppress articles by climate-change skeptics in scientific journals. -Paul
[2009-12-01 09:42:15] - gurkie: oh, i was under the impression he had built it. did his dad build it? -amy
[2009-12-01 09:15:00] - also Aaron Z. from TJ is working on the recovery.org data reconciliation... at least I think it was him ~gurkie
[2009-12-01 09:14:10] - amy: it was super easy, he called his dad and said dad I need a platform this big... and voila next day delivery ~gurkie
[2009-12-01 09:04:44] - So, those who doubt global warming cling to this as 'proof', and those who believe it insist it is, in fact, a nothingburger. Unfortunately, it might as well all be name-calling at this point. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 09:03:04] - in the data correction years ago. If the data correction was legit, this is a nothingburger, if it wasn't it forces a much higher level of scientific uncertainty on an already very noisy set of data. The problem is that there's no way for peer review anymore. The raw data is gone. -- Xpovos
[2009-12-01 09:00:54] - aaron: I haven't followed it too closely, but what I've been able to determine is that raw data has been ditched as an effort to save space. secondary data was retained, which included human manual corrections to the data. That's old news. The new news is hacked e-mails which call in to doubt the bias or lack thereof of several scientists who were involved... -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 23:39:20] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIRA well for starters there's the National Industrial Recovery Act, which is generally agreed was a failure of an economic policy. - mig
[2009-11-30 23:33:27] - paul: "FDR instituted a number of failed economic policies which may very well have extended the great depression." (0809) "he was definitely very active in terms of trying to fight the depression" (0911). which policies are you referring to? ~a
[2009-11-30 22:46:21] - paul: how did you make the platform thingy to elevate the couch? was it expensive? (if you don't mind me asking how much the materials cost.) i'm asking bc i could use a platform, maybe. -amy
[2009-11-30 20:19:15] - hah. something i often see as an editor on wikipedia is someone who thinks it's funny to add "penis" to, say, the article on "Voltaire". however, adding "penis" to the article on the penis seems unnecessary. ~a
[2009-11-30 18:54:58] - i read hockey stick controversy, and i read climatic research unit e-mail hacking incident but i still don't understand much - except that there's a lot of general dodginess alluding to the idea that global warming isn't as big a deal as climatologists indicate - aaron
[2009-11-30 18:52:21] - can someone explain the controversy to me in a way a 5-year old would understand? is it basically like, climatologists were misrepresenting/omitting climate data to exaggerate the effects of global warming? - aaron
[2009-11-30 18:34:45] - is wonder if these are made up? File:Mauna Loa Carbon Dioxide-en.svg, File:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png, File:Holocene Temperature Variations.png, File:Glacier Mass Balance.png? i guess if they have a response, i'd like to see it as well sourced and in graph form. ~a
[2009-11-30 17:48:25] - i also laughed at the page 1 comment, "hi dawg, I heard you like stored procedures, so I put a sql statement inside of a sql statement, so you can query while querying!" - aaron
[2009-11-30 17:28:04] - http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/For-the-Ease-of-Maintenance.aspx stored procedures good. sql bad. - aaron
[2009-11-30 17:15:48] - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/30/crugate_analysis/ apparently there's some big controversy in the climate change community over some really juicy leaked documents. fun stuff. - mig
[2009-11-30 16:52:47] - Stephen: Right, right. I wasn't trying to rush you. Just wanted to make sure you had them in before the deadline. I would think it would suck majorly for you if your units accidentally just all held.
-Paul[2009-11-30 16:50:51] - Xpovos: Yeah, the loopholes were the only way a tobacco state was ever going to pass a "ban". Plus, legislatures love loopholes and poorly worded statutes in general. That way they can blame judges when they "incorrectly" interpret deliberately vague language. - Stephen
[2009-11-30 16:50:41] - stephen: wow, hadn't heard a thing about that ban. I'm always conflicted about laws like this that I feel are unfair but that I totally benefit from. I will definitely not miss second-hand smoke in a bar, in fact, it makes me more likely to go to a bar, but like aaron, I'd rather wait for bars to come to that conclusion without a law - vinnie
[2009-11-30 16:49:03] - Paul: I know. But as you also know, I was not done communicating with my neighbors. - Stephen
[2009-11-30 16:23:04] - Stephen: Also, just a reminder, Diplomacy orders are due in 8 hours so make sure you get them in before the day is over.
-Paul[2009-11-30 16:07:39] - Does anybody here use last.fm? If so, can somebody explain to me how it works? Is my library supposed to only represent music that I like? Because it seems to be adding everything I listen to on last.fm to my library even if I'm just listening to my "recommended" channel. -Paul
[2009-11-30 16:00:42] - i'd probably have a stronger opinion if my asthma was worse, or if it bothered my eyes as much as it used to - but yeah i think it's one of those things economic forces will drive naturally, i don't think it needs to be legislated - aaron
[2009-11-30 15:58:32] - stephen: i'm indifferent; back in 1992-or-so, taco bell went non-smoking because they wanted to, so my mom and i ate their like every week because it was nice not being around smokers. i'm patient enough to wait for cigarette smoking to die out on its own, i don't think it's something we need to legislate - aaron
[2009-11-30 15:54:27] - aba: i take for granted that things are just handed to me. is that a bad thing? i guess it depends on which "things" we're talking about. ~a
[2009-11-30 15:39:18] - mig: "i find it an affront to personal freedoms" wait wait, you find that the BAN is an affront to personal freedoms or that the SMOKING is an affront to personal freedoms? don't answer that question because it's rhetorical. they're both an affront to personal freedoms, right? ~a
[2009-11-30 15:34:56] - Stephen: Also, that was kinda sarcastic. I find it discriminatory towards smoke preferring americans. -Paul
[2009-11-30 15:34:06] - Paul: its called your house... enjoy. ~gurkie
[2009-11-30 15:33:06] - Stephen: I'm just hoping that they follow up the smoking ban with a crowded-ban, noise-ban and high-priced-alcohol-ban... maybe then I will go to bars. -Paul
[2009-11-30 15:32:08] - v amended, "have pushed their *own* no-smoking area efforts" -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 15:30:26] - stephen: Im cool with it but then again I dont smoke and dont love the smell... So I know I am super biased. ~gurkie
[2009-11-30 15:28:59] - Stephen: I think it's a bad idea. The law passed had so many loopholes as to not be smoke-proof, as it were, and the concept is misguided. That said, I know many resturants have pushed their no-smoking areas efforts forward faster as a result of the law, so perhaps it's not all bad. -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 15:27:20] - gurkie: Thanks! -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 15:18:30] - Gurkie: They've banned smoking in all (or at least almost all) bars and restaurants in the state. - Stephen
[2009-11-30 15:07:42] - xpovos: I added you, it took me awhile before it actually showed up in my inbox after a friend invited me though... just an fyi ~gurkie
[2009-11-30 15:07:14] - stephen: while I dislike people smoking in bars/restaurants, i find it an affront to personal freedoms and therefore I do not like it. - mig
[2009-11-30 15:06:41] - what smoking ban? ~gurkie
[2009-11-30 15:03:33] - How does everyone feel about the smoking ban that takes effect tomorrow? - Stephen
[2009-11-30 15:03:03] - Gurkie: I had a great time, but I'll be honest and say that the (number > 1) vodka tonics helped immensely. I was really proud of how normal and pleasant our class turned out. - Stephen
[2009-11-30 14:57:43] - pierce: I totally read "little people" as a clause in what you just wrote :B I had a lot of fun at the potluck catching up with people and especially touring the school. it was very relaxing and I didn't feel any social nervousness at all, which was pleasantly unexpected. if only we had had some time to get a game of bridge in - vinnie
[2009-11-30 14:41:58] - gurkie: I'll take a shot then. I know lots of people who could use it and are probably excited to try it. And I'm curious myself. It's gotta be better for me than AIM, which is what I used the last time I ran a PnP game over the internet. Thank God I type fast. -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 14:36:33] - xpovos: I think I just got invites today, but have been on wave for about a month... So I dont know how quickly it works out... I might have gotten invites once I received a second invite myself
Dont know who invited me the second time though ~gurkie[2009-11-30 14:20:49] - pierce: "everyone's pretty much a slight variant of their former self" i think that is not true. i think we have all changed. i think it's just too difficult to get to know someone in the environment we were in (god it was so damn loud). superficially we haven't changed for the better or worse. ~a
[2009-11-30 14:02:29] - I had a lot of fun, surprised at how little people have changed both physically and personality-wise. I think a lot of our collective nerdier tendencies have regressed toward the mean (which was inevitable after leaving the TJ bubble), but everyone's pretty much a slight variant of their former self. - pierce
[2009-11-30 14:01:12] - gurkie: Are they recursive? -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 13:45:41] - oh so it turns out I have google wave invites do people want? ~gurkie
[2009-11-30 13:43:39] - overall I thought the reunion went pretty well... what do you all think? ~gurkie
[2009-11-30 11:59:24] - a: aha did not realize coordinates were in url. -amy
[2009-11-30 11:56:35] - mig: Hehehe, yeah. I got it as soon as I saw the picture. For the record, I'm a big Hines Ward fan, possibly because of his omni-present stupid grin. This is the first time I've seen him sad since he had that fumble against the Titans. -Paul
[2009-11-30 11:49:12] - mig: Ah, I see. Yeah, the grin is pretty ubiquitos. He's a happy-go-lucky kind of guy. Unless his team is falling on hard times. Thanks for the clarification. -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 11:40:39] - xpovos: well to fully explain it, ward has quite the reputation of always having a stupid looking grin on his face, it was nice to see him with a dejected look on his face. - mig
[2009-11-30 11:38:56] - mig: Ok, I'm in the dark. Do you not like Hines Ward? I mean I'm guessing you wouldn't, given you're a Ravens fan, but other than team loyalty, is there a particular reason? He's a model citizen compared to many NFL players. -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 11:19:58] - xpovos: it is indeed ward. the went to a close up shot of him right after baltimore got into gimmie fg range in overtime. the expression on his face is quite priceless given it's him. - mig
[2009-11-30 11:09:24] - mig: Hines Ward? I didn't watch the game last night... what'd I miss? -- Xpovos
[2009-11-30 10:47:52] - paul: well reading the stuff about NIRA was a bit hilarious and sad at the same time. Strangely, you never hear about that kind of stuff in us history class, I wonder why? - mig
[2009-11-30 10:33:54] - paul: http://pics.livejournal.com/mickj/pic/0000dfed figure you might enjoy this one. - mig
[2009-11-30 10:19:20] - Xpovos: Isn't it at least just as likely that the economy would've fixed itself anyway (especially with WW2 gearing up) and that all of these programs might've slowed things down? -Paul
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