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[2001-06-15 09:38:00] - aaron: my mp3s don't skip anymore.  I think it was a dell/win9x combo problem.  Win2k is great. - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:38:00] - mig: I'm thinking about doing that.  Just getting the dell system and tell them to take out all that extra crap.  Boo integrated sound. - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:37:00] - bah.  forget distributers, building from scratch is the way to go! - mig

[2001-06-15 09:37:00] - I thought at college, all the people who bought dells were the ones with the weird MP3-skipping problems - aaron

[2001-06-15 09:37:00] - dave: tv-out would be nice, but not a requirement - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:36:00] - dave: well, if I buy a card that will last a while and work with DVD player, I will pay the dollars for it

[2001-06-15 09:35:00] - dave: why not dell? they are the best- from what I've heard about other's experiences. - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:33:00] - dewey: how long do you think you're going to keep the card? and what's your price range? -dave

[2001-06-15 09:33:00] - dewey: awwww dewey, you're a cpe, don't get a dell -dave

[2001-06-15 09:32:00] - although the 'tech account' doesn't allow for anything near that good. - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:28:00] - basically Dell offers the GeForce2 product line.  should I just opt for nothing and add soemthing myself? - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:27:00] - dave: something good  That will run black & white well, and other games to come out soon. - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:24:00] - 'love life is bitchin'.  what a crock. i'm not going to be impressed until it makes due on that result. - mig

[2001-06-15 09:23:00] - dave:  supposadly it's better compression and better audio quality. - mig

[2001-06-15 09:21:00] - i've heard basically all those questions before though - vinnie

[2001-06-15 09:20:00] - 11 out of 11, 'your love life may bloom soon' - vinnie

[2001-06-15 09:20:00] - dewey: i've researched video cards, what you looking for exactly? -dave

[2001-06-15 09:18:00] - I got an add from Dell saying $1300 for a 1.4 ghz system - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:18:00] - does anyone know what is a good video card?  I'm looking at a new computer - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:17:00] - thank god they fixed winamp shuffle. i hated the old shuffle - vinnie

[2001-06-15 09:16:00] - dave: according to the article, the file size is about half as big AND the quality is better. well, hearing is believing - vinnie

[2001-06-15 09:04:00] - a: it says that it will cost about $7.50 per product shipped, according to the mp3pro company's website... that might slow them down. - dewey

[2001-06-15 09:03:00] - dewey: is the new mp3 more compressed or what? better music quality? -dave

[2001-06-15 09:01:00] - winamp is good about that kind of thing.  ~a

[2001-06-15 09:01:00] - That sucks, I think it does base your love life on how well you do on the test (where your love life is the inverse of your score basically) -paul

[2001-06-15 08:56:00] - dave: the need for a new winamp is that a new MP3 format was just released.  I want my two mp3 products to upgrade to it (winamp and musicmatch). - dewey

[2001-06-15 08:55:00] - hooray!!!!  Winamp has finally fixed their shuffle feature! http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml?articleid=9049 - dewey

[2001-06-15 08:53:00] - time to go to work.    bye all.  -  aba

[2001-06-15 08:52:00] - paul:  i got a 10 out of 11 and a "mediocre" love life too.  -  aba

[2001-06-15 08:52:00] - dewey: what's the need for a better winamp? -dave

[2001-06-15 08:52:00] - paul: there's no way i'd download all those mp3s again -dave

[2001-06-15 08:51:00] - paul: i have two hard drives. i would save all my stuff to one and reformat the other -dave

[2001-06-15 08:49:00] - people at Digit-Life overclocked the geforce 3 like mad and got a 47% increase in performance based on fps -dave

[2001-06-15 08:49:00] - dave: Don't reformat! You'll lose my boots! -paul

[2001-06-15 08:49:00] - winamp better hurry their asses up. - dewey

[2001-06-15 08:48:00] - http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-10-01.html -paul

[2001-06-15 08:48:00] - boo.  RCA's mp3pro player sucks ass. - dewey

[2001-06-15 08:45:00] - paul: maybe not, they do have IE 6 preview up on microsoft site -dave

[2001-06-15 08:42:00] - paul: i think i'm gonna have to reformat to fix that problem i told you about. -dave

[2001-06-15 08:41:00] - paul: you're welcome to them. i woulda sold them 'cept i knew you wanted them -dave

[2001-06-15 08:41:00] - hehe, maybe the lower the score you get, the better your love life is? -dave

[2001-06-15 08:39:00] - dave: I got an 8 out of 11, and my love life is "Not Bad! Expect your love life to bloom soon!" - dewey

[2001-06-15 08:36:00] - dave: I want those boots from you -paul

[2001-06-15 08:35:00] - http://slate.msn.com/foreigners/entries/01-06-13_110221.asp -paul

[2001-06-15 08:35:00] - and when is winamp going to release it's new version? the don't even seem to have any news on their site about mp3pro. - dewey

[2001-06-15 08:35:00] - a: yeah, I am using netscape 4 at work. - dewey

[2001-06-15 08:34:00] - dave: I got a 10 out of 11 and my love life is "mediocre" -paul

[2001-06-15 08:27:00] - mig: hm, maybe that is why Winamp was taking forever to release a new version

[2001-06-15 08:21:00] - paul: i picked up sigon's sabot. they are greaves -dave

[2001-06-15 08:15:00] - i got a 7 and my love life is "bitchin" -dave

[2001-06-15 08:15:00] - how smart are you? http://www.mystcweb.net/Misc/Smart.htm -dave

[2001-06-15 07:45:00] - and i didn't seem to have any problems last night. - mig

[2001-06-15 07:45:00] - i still am. - mig

[2001-06-15 07:41:00] - is anyone using netscape 4?  ~a

[2001-06-15 07:40:00] - if any of you are using netscape 4, i fixed this page last night.  ~a

[2001-06-15 07:38:00] - i dunno, seems rather interesting, though. - mig

[2001-06-15 00:24:00] - mig: going to move your stuff to ogg vorbis? -jdb

[2001-06-15 00:23:00] - i think the bush daughter problems are sorta funny http://monkeyfist.com/articles/758/ -jdb

[2001-06-15 00:23:00] - http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/14504 *very* good news(not sarcasm). - mig

[2001-06-15 00:14:00] - i just restarted my computer for the first time since may 17th!  ~a

[2001-06-14 23:33:00] - mig: That's what I have heard, not sure about how true it is -paul

[2001-06-14 23:25:00] - don't know about that, paul, but i guess it would seem that way.  though i guess it's easy to spot those that would commit another crime again. - mig

[2001-06-14 23:14:00] - mig: Sex offenders are also one of the least likely criminals to commit the same crime again -paul

[2001-06-14 22:19:00] - http://www.sonicnet.com/news/story.jhtml?id=1444514 rather amusing how the company seemed surprised that slipknot gave a profanity-laden performance. - mig

[2001-06-14 19:32:00] - entire lives for something they did.  i mean, they already paid for it in jailtime and also will have a hard time getting employment once they get out. - mig

[2001-06-14 19:31:00] - i have mixed views on this whole sex offender issue(though this judge is a really dangerous wacko).  on one hand, i think people might have a right to know, but on the other, i'm wondering if it's fair to for these people to have to be hounded their

[2001-06-14 18:38:00] - http://www.salon.com/sex/world/2001/06/11/offenders/index.html

[2001-06-14 18:23:00] - http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=3028

[2001-06-14 17:48:00] - jdb: Interactive representation sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if it would work well in the real world. The enhanced political quiz told me I was a hardcore libertarian I think -paul

[2001-06-14 17:20:00] - dave: i was an engineer for awhile, but it didn't really suit me.  i do graphic design now. - katie

[2001-06-14 16:28:00] - i just took the enhanced political quiz (linked off of lpva.com), my score -- i was right on the northwest line, one notch from the top. right in between libertarian and liberal. -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:24:00] - well i'm off to buy a father's day present, ciao -dave

[2001-06-14 16:24:00] - vinnie: hehe, how interesting -dave

[2001-06-14 16:23:00] - numbers above 9 don't have an association - vinnie

[2001-06-14 16:22:00] - most of the odd numbers I think of as female, but I think of 9 as male and 4 as female. not to say that females are odd, though - vinnie

[2001-06-14 16:21:00] - jdb: it's interesting, but i don't understand it fully - vinnie

[2001-06-14 16:21:00] - vinnie: really? what are girly numbers? hehe -dave

[2001-06-14 16:21:00] - katie: are you a technically oriented person? sounds like something an engineer would do, hehe -dave

[2001-06-14 16:19:00] - i actually think of numbers more in terms of male and female than color - vinnie

[2001-06-14 16:19:00] - what do ya'll think of the "interactive representation" thing listed on redpath's issue pages? -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:19:00] - dave: going back to the "color/number" association thing... i don't know why i do it; maybe when i was a kid learning to count, i read a book or something where the numbers were printed in those respective colors? i dunno. - katie

[2001-06-14 16:18:00] - Well, I gotta go home everybody, bye -paul

[2001-06-14 16:17:00] - vinnie: agreed -paul

[2001-06-14 16:17:00] - what do we ever accomplish through the un anyways? -dave

[2001-06-14 16:17:00] - i agree with redpath's tax credit education scheme much-much-much more than vouchers. -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:17:00] - Thank you! Death to the UN! -- Xpovos

[2001-06-14 16:16:00] - jdb: It's interesting, but I don't know if it would work out all that well.... -paul

[2001-06-14 16:16:00] - well not un-libertarian, but not something i'd expect from a libertarian - vinnie

[2001-06-14 16:16:00] - i for one think we shouldn't pay the multi-billions of dollars to stay in the united nations -dave

[2001-06-14 16:16:00] - We ought to just nuke China.

[2001-06-14 16:16:00] - paul: i'd be very suprised. generally, we only see republicans, democrats and conservative independents on ballots around here. -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:15:00] - jdb: yeah, somewhat un-libertarian also - vinnie

[2001-06-14 16:15:00] - paul: you're right though, i wonder where we would be with an isolationist foreign policy. might not be all that bad -dave

[2001-06-14 16:15:00] - jdb: I think you should like Redpath, most of his main issues are things to help all third parties -paul

[2001-06-14 16:14:00] - redpath's education proposals are pretty interesting! -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:14:00] - jdb: Is the green party candidate going to be on the ballot? I hear it's a difficult thing to accomplish -paul

[2001-06-14 16:13:00] - dave: Doesn't matter, they don't have a  navy to get to us -paul

[2001-06-14 16:12:00] - paul: as of right now, i really only know about the big two candidates. (reading more about redpath right now) -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:12:00] - dave: Well, we obviously need some new gadgets, I just think that the military has gone a bit overboard with new stuff that we might not need -paul

[2001-06-14 16:12:00] - paul: after all, staying on the bleeding edge of technology has what kept countries from messing with the us. what happens if china suddenly has a better army than us? -dave

[2001-06-14 16:11:00] - paul: i understand what you're saying, and i agree with you, we may not as much equipment as we make now. i just wanted you to acknowlede the flip side as well -dave

[2001-06-14 16:11:00] - tax-payer money. -- Xpovos

[2001-06-14 16:10:00] - I'm all for a military build-up when there's an actual use for it, but we're not using it, and there's only a few situations where I would even think using it was a good thing.  And they're politically inviable.  So the military is largely a waste of

[2001-06-14 16:10:00] - probably, there usually is. i signed a petition for one of the libertarian candidates -- forget which one. -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:09:00] - jdb: Are there any green party candidates running for office in Virginia this year? --paul

[2001-06-14 16:08:00] - i'm happy to see libertarian candidates running for virginia governor, etc. -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:08:00] - Like quartering the Army. -- Xpovos

[2001-06-14 16:07:00] - dave: My point about army inefficientcy was that we could give the army a lot less money and still get about the same result if we just made a few changes for the better -paul

[2001-06-14 16:06:00] - The only way Americans are going to die these days is from old age, heart disease, or terrorist.  Even with all of Europe hating us. -- Xpovos

[2001-06-14 16:06:00] - dave: I mean, how likely is it that this new expensive helicopter is going to end up saving lives? How many lives? 10? 20? I hate to be cruel, but is it worth $38 billion to save those few people? -paul

[2001-06-14 16:04:00] - dave: It's easy to say that without these gadgets our military will be handicapped and people are going to needlessly die, but how true do you think it is? -paul

[2001-06-14 16:03:00] - rumsfield or whatever his name is is changing the criteria for military size. will no longer be the two front guideline -dave

[2001-06-14 16:02:00] - paul: for however inefficient things are, it still takes a large amount of work to do things. it's not like you can just put things together, you have to design it, fabricate it, test it, document it, etc etc -dave

[2001-06-14 16:02:00] - "--Your ability to fight a two ocean war against who? Sweden and Togo? C'mon those days are over." -- Conrad Breen, Wag the Dog

[2001-06-14 16:01:00] - doh! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1387000/1387335.stm -jdb

[2001-06-14 16:01:00] - well, firepower is not directly related to new fighter jets, hehe. -dave

[2001-06-14 16:01:00] - I always seem to be about ten minutes behind -- Xpovos

[2001-06-14 16:00:00] - paul: if you don't want your army to be handicapped, yes. take for example fighter jets, if we didn't design the f22 or jsf or whatever, our pilots would be behind the enemy fighters in maneuverability, speed, firepower, etc etc -dave

[2001-06-14 16:00:00] - We shouldn't be so reliant on oil in the first place -- Xpovos

[2001-06-14 15:59:00] - dave: And I know first-hand how horribly inneficient the army is -paul

[2001-06-14 15:58:00] - dave: You still haven't proven to me that we need all these high-tech gadgets though, I acknowledge that it costs alot to make these things, but do we need them? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:57:00] - i'm just saying this because i have recently been appreciating how much time it takes to do seemingly mundane designs. -dave

[2001-06-14 15:57:00] - dave: But more useful then helicopters I would think -paul

[2001-06-14 15:56:00] - dewey: half of the footage wasn't from satellites. was from cameras -dave

[2001-06-14 15:55:00] - and these things don't even have to be revolutionary, just normal things like boxes that have switches and stuff on them -dave

[2001-06-14 15:55:00] - dave: didn't you ever see enemy of the state?  the satellites can do anything - dewey

[2001-06-14 15:55:00] - paul: the entire point of this exercise was to try to show you that military equipment costs more than you might think. it takes a lot of man hours to design things. -dave

[2001-06-14 15:52:00] - paul: besides, i think satellites might be more expensive -dave

[2001-06-14 15:52:00] - paul: the comanche is labeled as a reconnaissance vehicle. and satellites are not all-powerful. -dave

[2001-06-14 15:52:00] - dave: Example? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:50:00] - dave: Ok, that makes a lot more sense Are you sure we still use helicopters for reconnaissance? Can't we use satellites for that? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:49:00] - paul: i'm not trying to dictate what the us should or shouldn't do in terms of foreign policy. i'm just saying that i think there are valid reasons to use the military in ways i don't think the libertarians would from your definition -dave

[2001-06-14 15:49:00] - dave: Actually, Switzerland has been fairly prosperous considering they have little land and natural resources. They also have a more leftist government, which stifles prosperity also -paul

[2001-06-14 15:48:00] - heh, IE just asked if I want to turn autocomplete on for this text box - dewey

[2001-06-14 15:48:00] - paul: it is 38 billion for something like 1300 helicopters. i didn't mean to imply it was for just one -dave

[2001-06-14 15:47:00] - dave: Hypothetical situation, if OPEC decided to increases prices of oil by 10000% or something, should we invade them to take their oil? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:47:00] - dave: that article about the electric cars said that we can't blame OPEC anymore- the reason now is that we can't produce refined gas fast enough, not the crude oil problem anymore. - dewey

[2001-06-14 15:47:00] - paul: wrong. helicopters are for reconnaissance, tank killing, air support, special ops (i guess this falls withing transporting small groups) -dave

[2001-06-14 15:46:00] - paul: granted, that is not necessarily because of the us meddling in other's affairs -dave

[2001-06-14 15:46:00] - dave: We should err on the side of safety within reason. I mean, come on. $38 billion for a helicopter? Helicopters are used to transport small groups of troops, that is all -paul

[2001-06-14 15:45:00] - paul: because they've been pansies you don't see switzerland prospering like the united states do you? hehe -dave

[2001-06-14 15:45:00] - paul: i think it is our business in the sense that oil prices directly affects america. part of the hike in prices has been because saddam has curbed his output in order to chastise america -dave

[2001-06-14 15:44:00] - dave: Let me try to rationalize their policy here. Look at Switzerland. It has had a strong defensive military and hasn't bothered any other countries and it has been at peace for so long -paul

[2001-06-14 15:43:00] - isn't it better to err a little more on the side of safetly and allowing the military to have good equipment though? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:43:00] - dave: Well, if you think about it, it really isn't any of our business unless somebody asks for our help (which I assume Kuwait did) -paul

[2001-06-14 15:43:00] - 'many' should be in there somewhere - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:43:00] - paul: yeah, it'd be interesting to see just how felt they were wasting their vote - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:42:00] - paul: i agree that we do not necessarily need all the stuff they pay for, but i think the government has tended to shortchange a lot of things in the past years -dave

[2001-06-14 15:41:00] - vinnie: It would have been very interesting had that been in effect during the last presidential election -paul

[2001-06-14 15:41:00] - paul: because each is designed for a specific range of missions. it's true that sometimes they needlessly overlap though. i think they overlap less than what you think, but more than what they should -dave

[2001-06-14 15:40:00] - paul: so they think that all the oil over there is none of our business? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:39:00] - dave: I see what you mean, but the big question is how much of this stuff do we really need? We had like 3 new fighter jets in development at one point in time. Why? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:39:00] - at least, that's what it hopes to do - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:38:00] - instant runoff voting was the solution to what we were talking about with wasting votes - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:38:00] - dave: It happened I'm pretty sure they were against getting involved because it was none of our business (Keep in mind that foreign policy is one area in which I disagree with libertarians a bit) -paul

[2001-06-14 15:36:00] - vinnie: Yeah, it's a pretty unconventional thing he is doing. I'm not sure how well it will work -paul

[2001-06-14 15:36:00] - paul: what's the libertarian stance on the persian gulf war? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:36:00] - paul: no i understand, i'm just saying, whether you're bullying others or defending yourself, you still have to have good equipment -dave

[2001-06-14 15:35:00] - dave: If a nuclear bomb or $38 billion helicopter will help defend america, so be it -paul

[2001-06-14 15:35:00] - and there are plenty of other projects out there as well. smaller submarines, f22, joint strike fighter, etc etc -dave

[2001-06-14 15:34:00] - dave: Vinnie has got it. Libertarians think the military is here to protect us, not bully other countries or get involved in their wars and affairs -paul

[2001-06-14 15:34:00] - paul: interesting that two of the platforms redpath is running on are instant runoff voting and interactive representation - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:34:00] - paul: it's more a question of is saving american lives by having good equipment going to be worth 38 billion -dave

[2001-06-14 15:34:00] - dave: Well, I think most libertarians would be ok with a nuclear arsenal because it acts like a deterrant. -paul

[2001-06-14 15:32:00] - dave: yeah, libertarians are for national defense, but not international peacekeeping - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:32:00] - dave: Is that helicopter going to chase away enough invaders to be worth $38 billion? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:32:00] - paul: so none of the best defense is a good offense huh? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:31:00] - paul: seriously though, so that the military can keep up it's use of supporting american interests -dave

[2001-06-14 15:31:00] - dave: Missile defense system is good. Most libertarians generally think our military should be purely a defense force -paul

[2001-06-14 15:31:00] - paul: so that our military is equipped to deal with foreign invaders -dave

[2001-06-14 15:31:00] - a: and it is one more image that doesn't necessarily update itself when the leader changes - dewey

[2001-06-14 15:29:00] - dave: And we need to spend 38 billion for a helicopter why? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:29:00] - a: oh, you already have... hmm... - dewey

[2001-06-14 15:29:00] - paul: what's the libertarian stance on missle defense system? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:28:00] - dewey: Screw netscape users -paul

[2001-06-14 15:28:00] - and that's only one vehicle. and a helicopter at that -dave

[2001-06-14 15:27:00] - paul: did you know that the Comanche helicopter contract is 38 billion? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:26:00] - a: you need to set both cellspacing and cellpadding to zero; it looks funny in Netscape right now. - dewey

[2001-06-14 15:26:00] - dave: The only wasted vote is the vote not... uh.... voted? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:26:00] - dave: The government should not take candy from babies. -paul

[2001-06-14 15:24:00] - vinnie: Check out http://www.lpva.com They have links to both candidates on that page -paul

[2001-06-14 15:24:00] - dave: advantages: increased media coverage, showing that you don't advocate a candidate that supports big government - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:23:00] - dave: How about my crazu insistence that America doesn't need to spend trillions of dollars on the military? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:23:00] - paul: ok, what is the libertarian position on taking lollipops from babies? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:22:00] - paul: did you ever figure out your stance on voting for someone you knew wouldn't win? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:22:00] - paul: neat. got a website for them? - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:22:00] - dave: You can ask me anything about the libertarian position and I should be able to answer for you -paul

[2001-06-14 15:21:00] - paul: haha, i don't think your "abrasive nature" has done anything of the sort -dave

[2001-06-14 15:21:00] - vinnie: The libertarians have a candidate for governor and lt. governor... just fyi -paul

[2001-06-14 15:20:00] - dave: Mostly social ones I would say, also a lot of the more radical libertarian ideas on the economy most likely -paul

[2001-06-14 15:19:00] - paul: yeah, that way it wouldn't stick out so much - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:19:00] - vinnie: My abrasive nature has made Dave grow hostile and embittered towards libertarians -paul

[2001-06-14 15:18:00] - paul: you would know best, what issues do i differ with libertarians? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:18:00] - a: You could put that message board button to the left of the text input box, above those new links -paul

[2001-06-14 15:18:00] - vinnie: really? in all honesty i might be fairly close. -dave

[2001-06-14 15:17:00] - paul: dunno. prolly - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:17:00] - vinnie: well too bad now we are political enemies, heehee -dave

[2001-06-14 15:17:00] - dave: you often seem like a libertarian to me. what do you object to? - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:16:00] - vinnie: Sweet, now all I have to do is make you a registered libertarian btw, you voting for governor? -paul

[2001-06-14 15:15:00] - dave: i'd rather you object that strongly to my liking pink - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:14:00] - vinnie: d'oh, that comment was for you being libertarian, not liking pink -dave

[2001-06-14 15:14:00] - a: getting ambitious there with the rounded corner. me likey - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:13:00] - vinnie: noooooooo! -dave

[2001-06-14 15:13:00] - dave: i don't care if pink is girly. i like it - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:12:00] - paul: i think you've already converted me. the political party is associate myself most strongly with is libertarian - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:11:00] - katie: i also associate 5 with orange, but strangely that's the only number i do it with - vinnie

[2001-06-14 15:08:00] - Heh. I still associate several colors with their commodore numbers... 7=yellow I think, 4=cyan, 3=red.... - aaron

[2001-06-14 15:02:00] - and that's the first time i've heard that historically red was female and white was male -dave

[2001-06-14 15:02:00] - how did you get those numbers connected to those colors? -dave

[2001-06-14 15:01:00] - http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14149

[2001-06-14 14:59:00] - katie: That is so weird, is there a reason you do this? -paul

[2001-06-14 14:58:00] - picture, rather

[2001-06-14 14:58:00] - i'm "visually oriented", i guess... i dream without sound and my thoughts usually have a puctire or color or shape to go with them - katie

[2001-06-14 14:56:00] - hmm... 1 = blue, 2 = yellow, 3 = red, 4 = blue, 5 = orange, 6 = yellow, 7 = green, 8 = red, 9 = purple, 10 = blue, 11 = yellow, 12 = orange, 13 = red... - katie

[2001-06-14 14:49:00] - katie: That's really messed up What colors and what numbers do you associate? -paul

[2001-06-14 14:46:00] - i was also apt to associate colors with numbers (i still do, actually). - katie

[2001-06-14 14:45:00] - heh... although when i was a kid, i associated green with boys and blue with girls. - katie

[2001-06-14 14:42:00] - katie: I really doubt I got this idea from a book since I'm not a very well-read person, but I'll take support from wherever it comes from -paul

[2001-06-14 14:41:00] - might've been either james joyce or henry miller. - katie

[2001-06-14 14:40:00] - historically, in literature red was a female color and white was a male color because it was symbolic of certain fluids.  i  vaguely remember this from ap lit, although i can't remember what we read to trigger that conversation. - katie

[2001-06-14 14:35:00] - *Shrug* 3 against 1, I guess I was wrong. I'll make sure to correct my stereotype -paul

[2001-06-14 14:32:00] - No, pink is the definition of a girlie colour, red is the colour of fire and power.  Purple is regal. -- Xpovos

[2001-06-14 14:32:00] - i think it was pink, not red. - mig

[2001-06-14 14:32:00] - dave: for the most part, yes. - mig

[2001-06-14 14:32:00] - dave: I could be horribly wrong about this entire red being a girly color thing. It's just that when I grew up, I always thought of blue as being the color for boys and red being the color for girls? Can anyone back me up on this? -paul

[2001-06-14 14:31:00] - dave: Tv ratings are ok as long as they are voluntarily done by the networks. Government censorship is wrong. Drinking age should be repealed, government should not dictate when a child is ready to drink -paul

[2001-06-14 14:28:00] - paul: really? i musta played all the wrong board games -dave

[2001-06-14 14:27:00] - paul: oh i dunno, tv ratings maybe? drinking age? -dave

[2001-06-14 14:27:00] - dave: True, pink is more girly, but I was thinking more of stuff like board games where they only have a few different colored pieces, red an yellow were usually for girls while green and blue were for boys. -paul

[2001-06-14 14:26:00] - mig: so what, you're a libertarian too? -dave

[2001-06-14 14:25:00] - dave: Well, it depends on what you mean by "doing social stuff" I would say no because libertarians generally want no government interference. Give me an example of what you are thinking of -paul

[2001-06-14 14:25:00] - oops, not that anyone with a pink color would be girly -dave

[2001-06-14 14:25:00] - republicans seek to control our lives by using "family values", while the democrats seek to control our lives through taxes and invasive government programs. - mig

[2001-06-14 14:24:00] - paul: and i think pink is a more stereotypically girl color -dave

[2001-06-14 14:24:00] - democrats have been leaning more towards being "liberal" to being authoratarian, just like the republicans.  they just want to control everyone's lives in a different way. - mig

[2001-06-14 14:24:00] - paul: i woulda thought red was the color of blood and therefore a guy color -dave

[2001-06-14 14:23:00] - dave: Come on, red is always the stereotypical color for girls. Purple is the color for royalty -paul

[2001-06-14 14:23:00] - paul: so they don't think the govt should do anything social at all? -dave

[2001-06-14 14:23:00] - has anyone here used the wingate proxy server? i'm having trouble configuring it -dave

[2001-06-14 14:22:00] - dave: However, they don't believe in using government to advance social causes, so in a way they aren't socially liberal -paul

[2001-06-14 14:22:00] - paul: the difference being? -dave

[2001-06-14 14:22:00] - paul: really? i didn't know red was a girly color. you sure? -dave

[2001-06-14 14:21:00] - dave: libertarians would be considered socially liberal in that they tolerate lots of socially liberal things -paul

[2001-06-14 14:20:00] - dave: You think you have it bad? I am red, the definition of a girly color. Not only that, but it's also the color of communism... -paul

[2001-06-14 14:19:00] - paul: i didn't know you were socially liberal. at least that's not what i would have pegged you as -dave

[2001-06-14 14:18:00] - paul: wait, so libertarians are socially liberal? -dave

[2001-06-14 14:18:00] - none of this pansy purple -dave

[2001-06-14 14:17:00] - paul: maybe i need a more manly color -dave

[2001-06-14 14:17:00] - paul: i see, well unfortunately i don't think i'm having much luck in either area -dave

[2001-06-14 14:14:00] - dave: See, the problem you have is that you have to convert the liberals on economic matters and social matters, whereas libertarians only have to straighten them out economically -paul

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