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[2001-06-22 15:03:00] - I thought that justice/revenge quote was funny too, logan. I think by justice, she means, justifiable revenge - aaron

[2001-06-22 14:45:00] - good news indeed, if someone unexpected.  seems like something bush would love to eat up.... - mig

[2001-06-22 14:08:00] - http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/6/21/174724.shtml Hurray for Bush upholding the first ammendment! -paul

[2001-06-22 13:54:00] - Logan: Lots of people make a distinction between "justice" and "revenge" -paul

[2001-06-22 13:51:00] - Heh, "I do not want revenge..." she says, then says she wants them punished.  What's the difference? -logan

[2001-06-22 13:46:00] - Hmm, good point. -logan

[2001-06-22 13:38:00] - http://www.salon.com/people/wire/2001/06/22/teen_killers/index.html Dear god, what a horrible crime. Did anybody else hear about this? -paul

[2001-06-22 13:36:00] - logan: but "that article is offensive" doesn't have any single quotes in it... -paul

[2001-06-22 13:34:00] - http://aporter.dhs.org/?a=4&d=offensive

[2001-06-22 13:33:00] - paul: "One statement had a single quote," "the other didn't." -logan

[2001-06-22 13:30:00] - 'offensive?' that's today's secret word! - vinnie

[2001-06-22 13:28:00] - a: How come your smart quotes don't always work? -paul

[2001-06-22 13:28:00] - “i find feminists offensive” "i find socialists offensive" "i don't necessarily find you offensive" "i do find certain ideas offensive" "that article is offensive" Gosh this message board is filled with offensive stuff -paul

[2001-06-22 13:16:00] - that article is offensive. i also love the 'and an occasional woman' aside - vinnie

[2001-06-22 12:56:00] - paul: I am. -logan

[2001-06-22 12:42:00] - logan: Certainly you aren't calling the Spanish American war unnecessary -paul

[2001-06-22 12:39:00] - But I think that every unnecessary and unjust war our country has waged (and that's probably just about all of them since 1815) has been a major tragedy. -logan

[2001-06-22 12:38:00] - I don't deny that our treatment of Native Americans and the institution of slavery were great tragedies... -logan

[2001-06-22 12:35:00] - aba: I don't necessarily find you offensive.  I do find certain ideas offensive.  Holding offensive ideas doesn't make someone automatically offensive. -logan

[2001-06-22 12:27:00] - mig: Not to mention a number of questionable statements (if not outright lies) in his essay... -paul

[2001-06-22 12:23:00] - jdb:  while true i am very repulsed by what he thinks the solution is. - mig

[2001-06-22 12:19:00] - jdb: That's true. The article points out what is wrong with america. There are politicians that think the same way that the author does... -paul

[2001-06-22 12:18:00] - I think the nation's great tragedy would be either our treatment of Native americans or slavery, take your pick -paul

[2001-06-22 12:17:00] - i think the article hits the nail right on the head in that priorities are way out of wack. -jdb

[2001-06-22 12:16:00] - The nation's great tragedy being all those millions of deaths in a war fought over the right to secede? -logan

[2001-06-22 12:13:00] - "If it had acted on slavery before cotton became king, it would have avoided the nation's great tragedy." I think that's being a little presumptive.... - mig

[2001-06-22 12:10:00] - logan: Ugh, I agree. I just ate before reading that article and the first three paragraphs alone made me sick -paul

[2001-06-22 12:08:00] - aba: Awwww..... I'm sorry. I was just joking (not sure about logan) -paul

[2001-06-22 12:01:00] - I think just about everybody thinks the tax cut is a joke. -logan

[2001-06-22 12:00:00] - Excellent article! -jdb

[2001-06-22 12:00:00] - Heh, I started to read that article, but I'm eating, and didn't want its rhetoric to destroy my appetite. -logan

[2001-06-22 11:57:00] - i find that article offensive, but unlike some people i'll just ignore it like a rational human being - mig

[2001-06-22 11:50:00] - Augh, scary picture on that page - aaron

[2001-06-22 11:48:00] - http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/22/madrick/index.html

[2001-06-22 11:42:00] - "i find feminists offensive" "i find socialists offensive"  im out of here.  -  aba

[2001-06-22 11:42:00] - that's true, but i'm still curious as to why places like parentstv.org are being completely silent about this.  i mean these people complain about much lesser stuff than what was on south park episode. - mig

[2001-06-22 11:32:00] - anyway, the point is it's been done before, hence, not really newsworthy - vinnie

[2001-06-22 11:31:00] - yes, i remember hearing about it, but not seeing it. and mig, the scared straight show is fairly recent. certainly made after after viacom bought them - vinnie

[2001-06-22 11:25:00] - vinnie:  i think mtv used to be decent about not censoring until the got bought by viacom. - mig

[2001-06-22 11:18:00] - i've heard a lot of cursing on pbs. -jdb

[2001-06-22 11:16:00] - vinnie: do you remember when schindler's list got broadcast on nbc? totally uncensored, and no commercial breaks. -jdb

[2001-06-22 11:12:00] - mig: Well, The viewing won't start until a little after 1:30, people can get to my house at 12:00 if they want to and we can do something until 1:30 or whatever -paul

[2001-06-22 11:06:00] - so what time tomorrow does it begin? - mig

[2001-06-22 11:04:00] - vinnie: I think Travis is bringing a DVD player of some sort, not sure if it's his PS2 or his actual DVD player... -paul

[2001-06-22 11:02:00] - paul: do you have a player or is he bringing his ps2? and if he is, wasn't there something about the dvds not working with the ps2? - vinnie

[2001-06-22 11:00:00] - vinnie: Travis isn't arriving until 1:30 (and he has the DVDs), but people can come over to my house earlier if they want. -paul

[2001-06-22 10:59:00] - that's why we haven't seen articles, anyway - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:59:00] - http://www.thecomicreader.com/html/icst/icst-6/icst-6.html - A really good read! Napster, online comics, micropayments, etc... - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:59:00] - mig and dewey: apparently cursing on cable isn't anything really new. apparently, mtv used the word 'fuck' a lot during their scared straight show! and mig, i'm as surprised as you are. this is the network that censors 'hash' in hashpipe - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:58:00] - belive me aaron, you'll notice it when you play castlevania.- mig

[2001-06-22 10:56:00] - paul: oh yeah, i already forgot about tomorrow juuniji desu, ne? i will bring some of my gb games to try out - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:51:00] - aaron: I think a lot of people don't like the fact that the screen is not backlit, meaning you need a lot of light and a good viewing angle to get the best affect -paul

[2001-06-22 10:46:00] - Yes the sound and such are fine. What was wrong with the screen? The screen looked okay on the one I played at best buy. Maybe I'll go look again. - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:41:00] - oh yeah, i played around with a gba yesterday at walmart. it was running a mario game. i was impressed by the small size, nice graphics and sound, etc. i was not impressed by the screen, yucky. -jdb

[2001-06-22 10:37:00] - vinnie: Oh, I never got to the later levels. I just play the early levels over and over -paul

[2001-06-22 10:35:00] - vinnie: You'll have to check it out when you come over Saturday. You can either play the old games in a window the same size as the old gameboy (small) or stretch it to the new GBA size (big) -paul

[2001-06-22 10:35:00] - logan:  i wouldn't know, i'm not well versed in environmental scienes. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:34:00] - ugh, i disliked bugs bunny crazy castle, but i only played the nes version. i got too frustrated with the later levels - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:34:00] - Newly planted trees eat up more CO than mature trees, don't they? -logan

[2001-06-22 10:33:00] - rush said the other day that you should toss paper, etc. if you want more to help save trees. the reason -- when loggers cut down trees, they plant 13 trees or so for each tree they cut down. when paper is recycled, no trees are planted. -jdb

[2001-06-22 10:33:00] - vinnie: There are some good classic games on the gameboy. I played a little tetris and Dr. Mario. Bugs Bunny Crazy Castle is also strangely addicting -paul

[2001-06-22 10:31:00] - paul: i am curious to see how the gba handles regular gb games, especially my gbcolor-compatible mega man 5 - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:31:00] - logan:  i don't think it's necessarily bad as long as it's not excessive.  even if they replant trees they cut down, they still take a while to grow back again. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:30:00] - i bought the super game boy to replace the regular game boy. i still play games like link's awakening every now and then - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:28:00] - paul:  well tree's give off oxygen.  that's good enough for them. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:28:00] - paul: i owned a game boy. it broke a while back due to an orange juice mishap. my super nintendo still works well though, and I break out one of the classics every now and again (legend of the mystical ninja, megaman x, aero the acrobat) - vin

[2001-06-22 10:27:00] - aaron: i'll look into changing it. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:26:00] - vinnie: Really? You never owned a gameboy? Do you still own your super nintendo? -paul

[2001-06-22 10:25:00] - logan: I thought it was interesting that they never really pointed out why they wanted to prevent the trees from being cut down... No endangered species or anything there to protect -paul

[2001-06-22 10:24:00] - paul: i might be interested in getting one, haven't decided yet. i've got a ton of regular gb games that i rarely play (the only thing i have to play them on is the hilariously unpopular super game boy) - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:23:00] - Of course, still I would contend that logging isn't that bad. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:23:00] - On the topic of gameboys... anybody interested in buying an antique gameboy classic? Sure to be a collector's item -paul

[2001-06-22 10:23:00] - Heh, that highlights a particular problem.  Government owns too much land, and is the worst polluter.  Occasionally they will rent out or sell land to special interests, who have no incentive to maintain its quality. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:23:00] - miguel: Dark Blue on black is hard to read, perhaps you could consider changing your hyperlink colors on your journal page? - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:21:00] - mig: The GBA likes a lot of light, but no more so then the origininal I don't think. Of course I haven't played Castlevania on it... -paul

[2001-06-22 10:21:00] - that was the annoying thing about f-1 race, the first four player gb game. everyone needed a copy of the game to play, and so all my friends ended up owning the useless four-player adapter. and f-1 race was a pretty shitty game anyhow - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:21:00] - paul: I'll probably buy one before the end of the summer. I won't be using it during the summer much so I may as well wait... - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:21:00] - http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2001/06/22/forest/index.html Environmentalists versus Loggers -paul

[2001-06-22 10:20:00] - i think my sister fixed the darkness problem on her gba but i still think it's too dark... - mig

[2001-06-22 10:20:00] - vinnie: You don't want to buy a GBA? It's a pretty cool system. I think you can play up to four players with one cartridge but it doesn't come packaged with the system -paul

[2001-06-22 10:19:00] - logan: The libertarians love him, he ran for vice-president under the LP ticket one year I think -paul

[2001-06-22 10:18:00] - it's true that you only need one copy of a game to play multi, right? i didn't just make that up? not like it matters for sma anyway, since it's packaged with the system - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:18:00] - Aaron: I haven't actually played it with other people, but I have played it by myself. It's pretty much the same kind of game as the SMB3 one. -paul

[2001-06-22 10:17:00] - i would like to try the sma multiplayer sometime. but i don't think i'll get a gba - vinnie

[2001-06-22 10:15:00] - I'm starting to like this Ron Paul guy in Congress.  Makes me wish I lived in Texas. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:14:00] - logan:  sounds like a certain loser senator i know of. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:14:00] - paul: How is the multiplayer? Have you tried it yet? Vinnie and I have been playing classic mario 3 battle mode a lot lately and I'm being reminded of how fun it is - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:14:00] - And government, too. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:13:00] - I find socialists offensive. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:13:00] - I find feminists offensive, can we make them illegal? -paul

[2001-06-22 10:13:00] - aaron:  of course obscene is just the word they use to get around the 1st amendment.  "people will maybe complain if we ban something offensive, but they won't complain as much if we deem it 'obscene'.: - mig

[2001-06-22 10:12:00] - People all over the place would love to make it a crime to communicate offensive ideas to people under a certain age. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:12:00] - logan:  and i agree it is. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:11:00] - aaron:  even then, in public decency laws, they use a different word:  obscene. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:11:00] - mig: So is income tax. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:11:00] - aaron: Thanks, I just got Super Mario Advance and it brings back good memories of SMB2 -paul

[2001-06-22 10:10:00] - aaron:  public decency laws are unconstitutional. - mig

[2001-06-22 10:10:00] - Even in Blacksburg, didn't someone get arrested or charged with a crime for swearing at a police officer? -logan

[2001-06-22 10:09:00] - mig: It is in this country. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:09:00] - mig: Sure it is. What do you think public decency laws are all about? - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:09:00] - One could interpret another national symbol, the eagle, as a carrion-eating endangered animal, but that would have nothing to do with the meaning intended by those who adopted the symbol. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:08:00] - aaron: being offensive is not a crime!!!!! - mig

[2001-06-22 10:07:00] - paul: Get chu chu rocket or mr driller 2 if you're looking for a puzzle. Super Mario Advance sounds fun multiplayer - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:07:00] - jdb: I think the person trying to communicate is best fit to judge what it is he or she is communicating, and thus can determine very easily whether or not other people are interpreting it correctly. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:07:00] - mig: You're against censorship so that viewpoint may make sense to you, but many people don't like being offended so that doesn't really work for them - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:06:00] - logan: yeah, the board has been weird for me lately. it's timing out often -- having to repost comments multiple times, etc. -jdb

[2001-06-22 10:06:00] - aaron: So what would be a good, cheap, gameboy game to get for my GBA? -paul

[2001-06-22 10:05:00] - mig: who gets to decide which individuals are "ignorant people who misinterpert it"? -jdb

[2001-06-22 10:05:00] - We shouldn't be allowed to use the word "niggard," for instance. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:04:00] - mig: While we're at it, we might as well ban any word that could in any way whatsoever be misconstrued as a racial slur. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:04:00] - aaron: So you do think that the confederate flag carries more slavery meaning to it then the american one? -paul

[2001-06-22 10:04:00] - paul: I wouldn't get the game... I never watched dukes of hazzard. I'm just saying, from my experience, I've been exposed to the american flag in many normal situations, and to the confederate flag in many abnormal situations - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:04:00] - I don't like how comments I submit do not appear on the board until I do a reload. -logan

[2001-06-22 10:03:00] - aaron:  yes you can go flaunt whatever symbols you want.  the confederate flag has some meaning to those who still display it.  why the fuck should they care about ignorant people who misinterpert it? - mig

[2001-06-22 10:02:00] - aaron: Really? So do you think it would be worth getting or should I wait for a possible GBA version? -paul

[2001-06-22 10:02:00] - Do you think the Dukes of Hazzard was a show promoting slavery? -logan

[2001-06-22 10:01:00] - jdb: Damn, you're right. He used to always carry his blue (or purple?) gameboy pocket around. How the hell could I forget that? -paul

[2001-06-22 10:01:00] - paul: Pokemon puzzle challenge for gameboy color is a travesty. They only give you 8 rows. How am I suposed to get my level 13-14 combos with only 8 rows? - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:01:00] - paul: I'm not sure, personally I have received very little exposure to the confederate flag outside of civil war documentaries etc so I personally associate it with the pre-civil-war south, and hence slavery - aaron

[2001-06-22 10:00:00] - aaron: Darn, so you don't have Pokemon Puzzle Challenge for Gameboy color? -paul

[2001-06-22 10:00:00] - paul: you never saw him playing in the dining hall lines? -jdb

[2001-06-22 10:00:00] - And by game boy original, I mean, game boy pocket (oops) - aaron

[2001-06-22 09:59:00] - aaron: Do you think it makes sense for people to be offended by the confederate flag but not the american flag? -paul

[2001-06-22 09:59:00] - I have game boy original, and hmmm. Shit monkey ass boobs logan - aaron

[2001-06-22 09:59:00] - http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/06/21/ibm.supercomputer.ap/index.html  at least someone is trying to do something about the larger problems we're facing

[2001-06-22 09:58:00] - And I am really unconvinced that most people that wave the confederate flag around are sending a pro-slavery message. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:57:00] - aaron: Of course.  But they should have some valid reason for interpreting them the way they do before states should start passing legislation regarding it. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:57:00] - aaron: Do you have any type of gameboy (Original, pocket, color, advance)? -paul

[2001-06-22 09:57:00] - I'm not saying I'm completely against confederate flags or anything but I'm saying, you can't go around flaunting whatever symbols you want and blaming other people for interpreting them - aaron

[2001-06-22 09:57:00] - aaron: I believe you should (and fuck you!) -logan

[2001-06-22 09:56:00] - jdb: Actually, no.  But we're getting into some heavy stuff here.  I don't believe there is such a thing as intrinsic meaning. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:55:00] - A flag is just another symbol, just like language or images are symbols. If you can wave around a confederate flag for your own reasons, then I can show pornography to/swear at whomever I want, for my own reasons - aaron

[2001-06-22 09:55:00] - logan: nope, you have freedom of speech. do whatever you want with whatever flag. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:55:00] - logan: you don't think there can ever be implied meanings? or universal meanings? -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:55:00] - The diablo 2 expansion has gone gold for those who care. Release date is 6-29-2001 -paul

[2001-06-22 09:48:00] - Why is it that some people tell other people what their flag means? -logan

[2001-06-22 09:48:00] - jdb: But that doesn't mean I can't wave the flag in honor of its original meaning (and the one I wish to convey), does it? -logan

[2001-06-22 09:47:00] - vinnie: the headline is "Carroll O'Connor, Actor Who Played Archie Bunker, Dies at 76" -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:47:00] - logan: yes, imperialism. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:45:00] - aaron: the 'a' stands for attitude - vinnie

[2001-06-22 09:43:00] - What's funny is that the symbol of the union became representative of a state that no longer allowed states to freely join and leave the union. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:42:00] - jdb: What is it's meaning then?  It used to mean a union of states.  What is it now?  Imperialism? -logan

[2001-06-22 09:42:00] - oops, contradicting myself there - vinnie

[2001-06-22 09:41:00] - http://pocket.ign.com/news/35982.html Don't touch that dial! -paul

[2001-06-22 09:41:00] - jdb: i don't feel like registering. what does that obituaries link say? - vinnie

[2001-06-22 09:41:00] - jdb: i feel like registering. what does that obituaries link say? - vinnie

[2001-06-22 09:41:00] - logan: but it's meaning is modern. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:39:00] - vinnie: Ha ha ha. "ok i did it again"... - aaron

[2001-06-22 09:38:00] - The US flag is no more modern than the Confederate flag. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:36:00] - jdb: I just don't see how you can condemn the confederate flag for it's association with slavery without also condeming the American flag for the same reason -paul

[2001-06-22 09:33:00] - jdb: Outlawed meaning?!  Meaning can be outlawed?  That is scary. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:27:00] - http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/wireless/2001-06-22-ny-cell-phone-ban.htm

[2001-06-22 09:27:00] - http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/22/obituaries/22OCON.html -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:24:00] - i'd like to read kapital some day -- but it's pretty heavy stuff, and thousands of pages. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:22:00] - Well, I too have to go do work for the state, but I'll be back on later. Bye everyone -paul

[2001-06-22 09:22:00] - jdb: Which I personally think is a load of balony.... but that's just me -paul

[2001-06-22 09:21:00] - p.s. i'm not arguing for communism, i'm just trying to explain my interpretation. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:21:00] - paul: the united states flag has a modern meaning. the confederate flag has an old, abandoned, outlawed meaning. so, i don't mind the modern flag being flown. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:19:00] - paul: now that view of communism is prettty close. communism is a lovey-dubby idea that if everyone is equal, they will stay equal, strife will cease, yadda yadda yadda. everybody will have everything that they need, etc. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:19:00] - jdb: I agree (except for the low-paying part). -logan

[2001-06-22 09:18:00] - I'll continue this later. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:18:00] - jdb: What I mean is, how do unproductive elements in society become rich if not through political means? -logan

[2001-06-22 09:17:00] - logan: I also work for the state -paul

[2001-06-22 09:17:00] - Heh, I'm listening to Radiohead right now... good older stuff, from before they started to suck. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:17:00] - logan: do you seriously think that this (our) society is not dependent on the work done by the small guys? i still think the foundations of our society is workers doing manual labor, not-very-fun, low-paying jobs. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:16:00] - logan: geez logan, don't you think the "rich are the working class" comment i a bit extreme? -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:15:00] - jdb: Do you mind the Confederate flag flying over state capitols? Do you see any difference between the two? -paul

[2001-06-22 09:15:00] - Anyway, I need to go to work, for the state, ironically enough. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:14:00] - huckleberry trail issue --> http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story113637.html -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:14:00] - http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0009/radiohead/ radiohead: boy band? - vinnie

[2001-06-22 09:14:00] - jdb: So basically the ultimate aim of communism is to make sure that everyone is the same? Everyone has the same amount of money and property and works the same amount? -paul

[2001-06-22 09:13:00] - In a free market society, the rich are the working class. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:13:00] - It takes political power (e.g. a Communist state, or other powerful states) to maintain a difference between rich and working class. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:12:00] - jdb: You have the State: those with political power, who get away with anything; and the rest: those who get exploited by the State. -logan

[2001-06-22 09:12:00] - paul: i don't mind having the flag flying at schools, but i am not a fan of making folks pledge allegiance to it. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:11:00] - logan: i'm not sure what you mean. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:10:00] - paul: primarily the rich and the working class. the bourgeois and the proletariat. -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:09:00] - jdb: I thought it was interesting because I was always of the opinion that you can't condemn the confederate flag without condemning the American flag so either do both or do neither -paul

[2001-06-22 09:06:00] - jdb: Isn't communism the separation of people into the State and other? -logan

[2001-06-22 09:06:00] - jdb: "Abolition of class"... How do you define class? Does that mean abolition of the employer-employee relationship? -paul

[2001-06-22 09:04:00] - paul: what is your opinion of the pledge of allegiance article? -jdb

[2001-06-22 09:02:00] - paul: this is a good site if you want to learn more --> http://www.marxists.org/ -jdb

[2001-06-22 08:57:00] - paul: if you were going to sum up communism in a single sentence, the sentence would be "abolition of class." -jdb

[2001-06-22 08:54:00] - http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20010622-589876.htm I don't understad why those Hollywood people donated to the democrats -paul

[2001-06-22 08:51:00] - http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20010622-5627916.htm Hurray for someone getting it right! -paul

[2001-06-22 08:44:00] - jdb: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property" Is this true? -paul

[2001-06-22 08:41:00] - logan: Our culture has this perverse notion that freedom and responsibility is bad -paul

[2001-06-22 08:40:00] - jdb: Why did the authors of the communist manifesto feel the need to use big long words that nobody but themselves understand? -paul

[2001-06-22 08:40:00] - Our culture has this perverse notion that sex is bad. -logan

[2001-06-22 08:31:00] - http://www.salon.com/sex/wire/2001/06/21/fitch/index.html I have newfound respect for A&F -paul

[2001-06-22 08:16:00] - dewey: Family hour is from 12:01 am to 11:59 pm, Sunday through Saturday. -paul

[2001-06-22 08:08:00] - From their review of "Diagnosis Murder" : 'However, parents should be warned of the show's frequent focus on murder' from parentstv.org   - dewey

[2001-06-22 08:02:00] - what the hell is family hour anyway? - dewey

[2001-06-22 08:02:00] - Heh, "boston public" continues its assult on family hour: http://www.parentstv.org/takeaction/BostonPublic/welcome.html - dewey

[2001-06-22 07:35:00] - food goes here.  ~a

[2001-06-22 07:32:00] - http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-moore061801.shtml -logan

[2001-06-22 02:55:00] - http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/06/20/rave_feature/index.html - katie

[2001-06-22 01:03:00] - unfortunately, the video i rented was the edited version (rated R). i'll just have to checkout the nr dvd from the library next fall. -jdb

[2001-06-21 23:21:00] - .. and what a disturbing movie it was! -jdb

[2001-06-21 23:21:00] - xpovos: i just got done watching "Requiem for a Dream

[2001-06-21 22:35:00] - a:  legal is a relative term.  what is legal here may not be legal in other countries.  likewise the reverse is also true(much more so). - mig

[2001-06-21 19:57:00] - http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14215 - mig

[2001-06-21 19:34:00] - a: So you don't think anything legal can be considered murder? -paul

[2001-06-21 19:32:00] - http://www.sonicnet.com/news/story.jhtml?id=1444688 the poor excuse for human feces is at it again. - mig

[2001-06-21 19:25:00] - by legal, i mean with respect to the government's laws.  therefore most forms of abortion are not murder by definition of the word murder.  ~a

[2001-06-21 19:15:00] - http://www.nomanson.org  i think these guys have really lost touch with reality. - mig

[2001-06-21 19:14:00] - http://www.theroc.org/roc-news/roc-news.htm they have updated! - mig

[2001-06-21 19:00:00] - jdb: I just find it baffling that you would defend abortion as a case of protecting individual rights when you consider it murder -paul

[2001-06-21 18:37:00] - http://www.google.com/search?q=diane+derzis <-- my neighbor. -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:36:00] - so if the bible says killing your children is ok (it does, btw), i don't necessarily agree. if the us government considers the death of iraqi children "collateral damage," i don't have to agree. -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:35:00] - a: what makes something "legal?" i don't define something's legal status by the same definitions you do. -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:32:00] - our government is a paradox adrian. - mig

[2001-06-21 18:31:00] - jdb: legalizing murder is a paradox.  it isn't murder if it is legal.  that is like legalizing crime.  it isn't crime if it isn't illegal.  ~a

[2001-06-21 18:25:00] - an interesting side note: my next door neighbor owns a bunch of abortion clinics. her name and address is on hit lists on the web, yikes. -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:24:00] - i wish i could remember the name of the anti-abortion video i saw. very gruesome stuff. -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:23:00] - paul: in both cases though, ya know... the outcome is the same. one less life. not by accident, by choice. and, in both cases, at the hands of a person (or persons). -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:22:00] - paul: i think we paint pretty words on things. execution - termination of a convicted person's life, justice is served. abortion - termination of an unwanted person's life, individual freedom is preserved. -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:20:00] - a: you don't think we have legalized murder? -jdb

[2001-06-21 18:17:00] - mig: Though I would probably be more familiar with the Wolfenstein guy, the premise is still neat - aaron

[2001-06-21 18:16:00] - mig: That's really really cool - aaron

[2001-06-21 18:11:00] - hey.  if it isn't illegal, it isn't murder.  ~a

[2001-06-21 18:10:00] - the more cpu load, the more bloodier he gets! - mig

[2001-06-21 18:10:00] - I've found the coolest linux app ever.  The "Doom Guy" system load monitor! - mig

[2001-06-21 18:09:00] - "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought"  . . . what is a person?  ~a

[2001-06-21 17:29:00] - jdb: So you consider abortion to be murder? -paul

[2001-06-21 16:29:00] - jdb:  what i am sure of is that i disagree with the idea that a women has the right to an abortion up until the fetus is actually born. - mig

[2001-06-21 16:29:00] - Hey where was that link, about Britney Spears and particle physics, or parametrics, or whatever? I want to show alex but I can't find the link - aaron

[2001-06-21 16:27:00] - jdb:  unsure.  - mig

[2001-06-21 16:26:00] - maybe in the advent of all the new morning after pills, depo shots, etc., abortion will become a less likely possibility. i hope so. -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:24:00] - mig: do you think that science will someday help us define this point? -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:23:00] - "That's a pretty small constant!" Ha ha ha. - aaron

[2001-06-21 16:23:00] - http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/quantumzone/photoelectric2.html - I was looking for information on Plancks Constant and this link came up. It's like, the Archie explanation of Plancks Constant or something - aaron

[2001-06-21 16:22:00] - while i respect the right to abortion, i don't think it's absolute.  i think there should be a point of "no-return", where the fetus is declared a human being. - mig

[2001-06-21 16:18:00] - a: how can i not? -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:17:00] - mig: so, yeah, my stance is rather ruthless and i even think it sounds pretty mean. but i have put a lot of thought behind it. -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:17:00] - mig: my views on abortion are largely connected to those rather personal cases. well, that, and readings by carl sagan and stuff from "morality and jutice" class summer 99. -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:15:00] - mig: keep in mind that i am not a fan of abortion in most cases. i think it's careless and irresponsible. but, i know women that have been impregenated via rape, and in other undesirable conditions (crack babies)... -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:13:00] - "birth-control pill, something that helps prevent murderous actions"  josh, you call abortion murderous.  and you are pro choice.  how can you condone murder?  ~a

[2001-06-21 16:12:00] - jdb:  i'm beginning to understand your viewpoint.  so, it's basically, "your depedant on me, and i can kick you out whenever i want?" - mig

[2001-06-21 16:10:00] - paul: re: ashcroft. bring it on! -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:10:00] - abortion and the state -- the state is about individual people and their rights as a whole... if the fetus/child/human/person/whatever is not seperate from the mother yet... -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:08:00] - paul:  i sided with the crew, but for different reasons. - mig

[2001-06-21 16:08:00] - paul: you've never read the communist manifesto?!?!? anyone that is interested in politics would learn a lot from reading that. to top it off, it's pretty good reading, considering how old it is. -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:07:00] - abortion and the individual -- well, it is her body after all. -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:07:00] - jdb: As it is now, I have to leave work so I won't be posting until later on tonight. Bye everyone! -paul

[2001-06-21 16:06:00] - vinnie: That's an interesting theory, I think I agree with it based on what you have said. Thanks for sharing - aaron

[2001-06-21 16:06:00] - xpovos: i'm not sure how i feel about state enforced abortion. i hate this "all or nothing" argument we have going on here. i always think of things from the context of the individual and society as a whole... -jdb

[2001-06-21 16:05:00] - jdb: That's an interesting way of looking at it, we'll have to talk about abortion more later, right after we talk about ashcroft -paul

[2001-06-21 16:04:00] - mig: Very much so. Oddly enough, I sided against the crew in that episode. I didn't think Data had rights under Federation law -paul

[2001-06-21 16:04:00] - but it also says that some things don't have any level of consciousness, but when combined with other things, because something tha has consciousness. interesting theory that really can't be proven or disproven - vinnie

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