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[2001-07-25 14:47:00] - wolf: see, what good would it do me to play with people like that? -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 14:45:00] - there are over fifty level 99 characters on the east ladder, and most of them got there by exploiting the angelic set bug
- wolf[2001-07-25 14:44:00] - has anyone else bought emperor yet. i need some people to play against. - mig
[2001-07-25 14:44:00] - finally, there's a bug where equipping a magical druid helm with skill bonuses will cause everyone around you to crash (pk's also like this) - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:44:00] - http://www.smh.com.au/news/0107/25/world/snapshot1.html HAHAHA, this is pretty funny
-paul[2001-07-25 14:43:00] - wow, those must make it sort of easy to reach high levels on the ladder. - dewey
[2001-07-25 14:43:00] - aba: Sounds like a good plan, Mrs. Leader
-paul[2001-07-25 14:43:00] - there's also a bug that allows any character class to dual-wield two weapons, giving them insane damage (or if staffs are used) massive skill bonuses. - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:42:00] - how about we meet at 7:10 for the 7:30 show? - aba
[2001-07-25 14:41:00] - the "item grabber" scans packets and moves any set, rare, unique items and runes directly to your inventory when a monster drops them. - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:40:00] - they're more "exploits" than "hacks", but there's a program that allows you to see the entire map, marked with monsters (pk's use this to hunt down prey)...
[2001-07-25 14:39:00] - i guess so. nothing much better to do. - mig
[2001-07-25 14:39:00] - mig: Much thanks, you coming? -paul
[2001-07-25 14:38:00] - wolf: hacks? - dewey
[2001-07-25 14:38:00] - jp3 - 7:00, 7:30, 8:00. take your pick. - mig
[2001-07-25 14:37:00] - we just wanted to create secure realm games with no cheating, whining, stealing, grabbing, etc. - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:37:00] - www.lurkerlounge.com - the forum has gotten pretty saturated with "bad kids" from diabloii.net, but there are a few reasonable people left. - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:35:00] - heh. i made friends through a forum. the general bnet population is pretty bad, particulatly with all the realm-based "hacks" out (the map hack, the auto-item grabber, etc) - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:34:00] - wolf: who are these 'lurker' folks, anyway? - dewey
[2001-07-25 14:32:00] - d'oh, that wasn't supposed to happen. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 14:32:00] - wolf: I guess that if you have friends on the Realms already it would make sense, but almost all of my friends also play open characters, the only person I know who really uses the Realms is on USWest anyway. For me the Realms are pointless-- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 14:32:00] - wolf: I guess that if you have friends on the Realms already it would make sense, but almost all of my friends also play open characters, the only person I know who really uses the Realms is on USWest anyway. For me the Realms are pointless -- Xpovo
[2001-07-25 14:30:00] - dewey: if you start playing on east, stop by channel "lurkerlounge". lots of friendly people - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:28:00] - i play on the realms so that i can have fun with fellow lurkers. i've tried single player and found it to be horribly boring - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:27:00] - that was fixed in a server-side patch weeks ago - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:27:00] - the point of the realms, and why I will start playing a Realm Assasin, is that the real discovery occurs on the realms with other people. Especially now with the runewords and crafted items. - dewey
[2001-07-25 14:25:00] - This is one of many reasons I almost never play on the Realms. What's the point? -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 14:25:00] - http://www.battle.net/forums/diablo2-realmstatus/posts/og/170.shtml = heh, don't upgrade to v1.09 if you are using the Angelic Set.
- dewey[2001-07-25 14:25:00] - dewey: granted, bugs are going to happen, that's life with computers, but this latest snafu from Blizzard is just one in a long list of things they really should have been able to avoid. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 14:23:00] - it seems like it would be pretty difficult to catch every error that might happen. There are just some bugs that pop up when odd combinations occur. - dewey
[2001-07-25 14:20:00] - this is the second rollback they've had to do in the past six months due to sloppy programming - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:19:00] - apparently, blizzard decided to test a server-side patch on the live useast server. total chaos followed. http://www.battle.net/ - wolf
[2001-07-25 14:10:00] - paul: indeed, my thoughts exactly. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 14:09:00] - xpovos: Agreed, I was a bit turned off by his strong words and arrogant attitude, but he did raise some very interesting points about the drug war and abortion and states and stuff -paul
[2001-07-25 14:06:00] - paul: that article was very informative, and well written. I found myself, almost unwillingly, agreeing with a lot of what he had to say. I think it will serve Browne well when he reads it. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 14:05:00] - http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45871-2001Jul24.html Earley courts Hispanic vote in NOVA -paul
[2001-07-25 14:04:00] - paul: don't know about the strippers, but the alchohol sounds like fun. - dewey
[2001-07-25 13:53:00] - Warning: That article probably would only appeal to any Christian libertarians we have on the board because it mainly deals with the libertarian stance on the drug war and abortion -paul
[2001-07-25 13:52:00] - http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23210 Interesting rebuttle to Harry Browne's rebuttle of a previous article -paul
[2001-07-25 13:07:00] - anyway, im going to go see if theres some work for me to do. bye. - aba
[2001-07-25 13:05:00] - heh. my boss isnt easy going either. im just going to deal and make up the sleep some other time. - aba
[2001-07-25 13:04:00] - and if i was going to move out of nova id probably end up going to either california or somewhere further up north like new york. - aba
[2001-07-25 13:04:00] - aba: yeah, I'm trying to get people to come, but unfortunately not everyone's parents or bosses are as easy going as mine are. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 13:03:00] - anyone else is free to come. the more the merrier. - aba
[2001-07-25 13:03:00] - adrian. - aba
[2001-07-25 13:02:00] - paul: well, if it's really that upsetting for her getting conservative politicians, there's always Maryland, close by, and very very liberal. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 13:02:00] - Who else, besides Aparna and Miguel is going to the Rammstein concert? -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 12:57:00] - xpovos: I'm sure that's great comfort to her. "Don't worry! You're going to get a Republican governor!"
-paul[2001-07-25 12:57:00] - yay for the aclu!
-jdb[2001-07-25 12:57:00] - i know. i was just pointing out why i thought he was bad.
- aba[2001-07-25 12:56:00] - aba: you have nothing to worry about, he's not going to get elected. Virginia is too strongly Republican. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 12:42:00] - if redpath ended state subsidies of higher education, my family would be fucked. we received so much aid from the federal and state levels in the past two years, its not even funny. - aba
[2001-07-25 12:34:00] - Whoops, not "my", I meant "by" -paul
[2001-07-25 12:32:00] - http://www.antiwar.com/rep/paul6.html Speech my Congressman Ron Paul about the trial of Milosevic -paul
[2001-07-25 12:27:00] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45682-2001Jul24.html ACLU files lawsuit against Virginia for listing Redpath as an Independent -paul
[2001-07-25 12:22:00] - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,30408,00.html Lieberman introduces bill to punish businesses for misleading ratings -paul
[2001-07-25 12:19:00] - mig: Much thanks, I would call but I'm not entirely sure how to get an outside line from here
-paul[2001-07-25 12:12:00] - i'm getting that too. very odd. i'll call them to see when it's showing. - mig
[2001-07-25 12:06:00] - aba: Last night I checked the internet and it said that the Merrifield theater was showing JP3 at 7:00, however when I check now it says that the only thing showing is Legally Blonde... -paul
[2001-07-25 12:04:00] - dewey: Sleepover! Lots of alcohol and strippers too
-paul[2001-07-25 12:03:00] - or don't tell me that the objectivists claim that radioactive waste is a "myth". - mig
[2001-07-25 11:57:00] - one word: chernobyl. - aba
[2001-07-25 11:55:00] - i'm not too crazy about nuclear power. i guess it's all about the radioactive waste that results. - mig
[2001-07-25 11:50:00] - everyone: my father is going to be out of town next week. Anyone have any ideas?
- dewey[2001-07-25 11:49:00] - paul: adrian sent me an email saying he wanted to see jurassic park. whats the plan? - aba
[2001-07-25 11:42:00] - http://www.dibona.com/dmca/
[2001-07-25 11:20:00] - heh, think of it- while you are at work during the daytime, your neighbor plugs his car into your house's outlet to recharge... and you would never be the wiser until the bill came.
- dewey[2001-07-25 11:18:00] - and I believe the solar discussion was about power plants, not automobiles. You would still need dispersion stations to give hydrogen or to quick-charge your car. - dewey
[2001-07-25 11:17:00] - dave: the big uproar from the postal worker's union about machines replacing their workers in the sorting offices... - dewey
[2001-07-25 11:17:00] - mig: his administration is encouraging nuclear power plants methinks -dave
[2001-07-25 11:14:00] - it'd be nice if bush encouraged research in alternative energy sources, though. - mig
[2001-07-25 11:11:00] - it's like the riaa fighting mp3z. it's absolutely futile once the alternative shows up. - mig
[2001-07-25 11:09:00] - if we find another energy source, then fuck the billion dollar oil companies. they're energy source is now obsolete. - mig
[2001-07-25 11:07:00] - bleh. i need to go do work. - aba
[2001-07-25 11:06:00] - aba: somehow that seems on a much smaller scale than the oil industry -dave
[2001-07-25 11:05:00] - haven't you seen enough "free-energy" movies to know how many people will oppose it?
even if all those people are bad guys in the movies 
-dave[2001-07-25 11:04:00] - of course! how could they not? they completed tasks that took people a long time to do in mere seconds! think about all the book keepers and clerks at banks. they were mostly replaced by computers. - aba
[2001-07-25 11:04:00] - aba: i guess what i was trying to say is that to make another energy source viable, you have to figure out how to deal with the multi-billion / trillion dollar oil companies that will oppose it -dave
[2001-07-25 11:02:00] - aba: mass-producing computers put people out of work? -dave
[2001-07-25 11:02:00] - aw, you suck.
- aba[2001-07-25 11:02:00] - aba: Excellent ideas, I leave all he planning to you
-paul[2001-07-25 11:01:00] - we could go bowling or minigolfing or just go out for dinner. i dunno. - aba
[2001-07-25 11:00:00] - that happens all the time dave. it cant be helped. think of how many people were put out of work when we had computers mass produced. people are resilient. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:59:00] - aba: I'm open to suggestions -paul
[2001-07-25 10:59:00] - paul: i think they have the engine to run it off of hydrogen - the problem they are trying to fix now is having a safe highly-pressurized hydrogen tank -dave
[2001-07-25 10:58:00] - aba: but think of all the people you'd put out of work if you went to solar - no more gas stations for one -dave
[2001-07-25 10:58:00] - dave: Run cars off of water? That's crazy! Last time I put water in my car's gas tank it didn't work worth a dime
-paul[2001-07-25 10:57:00] - aba: the idea has been thrown around to add hydrogen dispensers at gas stations - which would be a precursor to going just with hydrogen and no gas -dave
[2001-07-25 10:57:00] - david and shirlenne said it was a crappy movie. thats kind of why im not excited to see it. maybe we could do something else? - aba
[2001-07-25 10:56:00] - aba: i think it is more feasible to take smaller steps. like i think the beginning trend of going to hybrid cars is a good transition. even if the tech wa available to run teh cars off of water (hydrogen), there's no way anyone would use it... -dave
[2001-07-25 10:53:00] - aba: I was kidding, although it doesn't look like it makes a difference since it seems like nobody else wants to go anyway -paul
[2001-07-25 10:51:00] - aba: you can have all the pressure in the world, but if money doesn't follow you don't get anywhere -dave
[2001-07-25 10:51:00] - bleh. fine paul. i will sit at home and hang out with my mom. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:51:00] - aba: that wasn't pressure, it's was gobs of money. Switching to solar like you suggest -would- be pressure, and their likely wouldn't be the money to compensate until to late. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 10:50:00] - the more pressure there is to research in a specific area, the more money will be poured into funding for it. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:50:00] - solar tech is way behind because industries like big oil have helped suppress the need for research in this area. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:49:00] - aba: pressure has nothing to do with it. it's all money. the more money you have, the more / better research you get -dave
[2001-07-25 10:49:00] - aba: "definitely not worth the $5 of my paycheck. - aba" You aren't invited
-paul[2001-07-25 10:48:00] - aba: solar tech is waaaaaaay behind -dave
[2001-07-25 10:48:00] - the best research always comes from pressure. look at the cold war and the space race.
- aba[2001-07-25 10:47:00] - not particularly, but if a bunch of other people are going, ill go too. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:47:00] - The best research never comes from "pressure". -- Xpovos
[2001-07-25 10:46:00] - Does anybody want to see Jurassic Park 3 today? -paul
[2001-07-25 10:45:00] - but if we plan to switch now, then there will be a lot of pressure to find viable efficient ways of harvesting solar energy. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:45:00] - if we switch to nuclear now, solar power wont be commonly used for a very long time. no one will want to put the research in. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:43:00] - and me!
- aba[2001-07-25 10:43:00] - aba: I agree, solar power is the way to go, but that is a long way away. The best current solution for mass power production is nuclear. Coal should be phased out, if you ask me. - dewey
[2001-07-25 10:42:00] - "the chorus of voices urging Bush to rethink his position on Kyoto includes politicians like Sen. Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and the New York Times editorial page" hehehe -paul
[2001-07-25 10:35:00] - heh. and on top of that, i work at exxonmobil.
- aba[2001-07-25 10:34:00] - http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/07/23/bonn/index.html this article sums up a lot of my views on the emissions treaty very well. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:33:00] - aba: How dare you advocate a clean and nearly abundant source of energy! Kill her!
-paul[2001-07-25 10:30:00] - http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2001/07/25/marijuana/index.html california rules.
- aba[2001-07-25 10:25:00] - no. i know people are going to jump on me for this, but in the end solar power is the way to go. we just need more efficient harvesting technology. - aba
[2001-07-25 10:22:00] - whoops, japan is a little better -dave
[2001-07-25 10:22:00] - aba: japan is more a little better than the us in co2 emissions because it uses a lot more nuclear power. do you think this is a route the us should take? -dave
[2001-07-25 10:22:00] - They are leaving in the intro scene too. - dewey
[2001-07-25 10:21:00] - and britain being the worst, hehe -dave
[2001-07-25 10:20:00] - paul: that was interesting. i like the part about 1/3 of emissions for any country coming from transportation, and if you factor in area, the us comes out #1 in being the "greenest" country -dave
[2001-07-25 10:15:00] - http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-10-01.html Interesting Cato article on the Kyoto protocol (I know people aren't tired about hearing about it yet
) -paul[2001-07-25 10:06:00] - dewey: are people really annoyed that they edit swear words from tv? i would think it is more violent or sexual scenes that people are annoyed that they take out -dave
[2001-07-25 10:05:00] - http://www.salon.com/mwt/wire/2001/07/24/v_chip/index.html Statistics about parents, the V-chip and the ratings system -paul
[2001-07-25 10:04:00] - paul: i guess i'm lucky that my dad let me buy a new computer system for my sister. it's the fastest thing this side of the mississippi (got here yesterday) -dave
[2001-07-25 10:04:00] - the most interesting twist on this story- ABC is owned by Disney. - dewey
[2001-07-25 10:03:00] - they are going to show Saving Private Ryan completely un-edited. Says many people just don't watch TV movies because it is to watered down. - dewey
[2001-07-25 10:03:00] - a: let me rephrase, if you upgrade from office 2000 / win 2000 to office xp / win xp, it will run 25-27% slower on the same system. (based on win xp rc1) -dave
[2001-07-25 10:02:00] - hm, ABC appearently is going to say 'fuck' on tv - dewey
[2001-07-25 09:57:00] - aba: I know how you feel, I offered to build my parents a really neat computer for a good price but instead they bought a computer from Dell, with Windows ME pre-installed -paul
[2001-07-25 09:51:00] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45861-2001Jul24.html bleh. i like northern virginia, but i hate the fact that the whole state is so damn conservative. - aba
[2001-07-25 09:47:00] - mig: the things that are pissing people off in xp are only pissing off the people who know anything about computers. i have been ranting so much about xp at home that my mom said "were just not going to tell you when we buy a new computer". - aba
[2001-07-25 09:04:00] - dave, define computing power. ~a
[2001-07-25 08:46:00] - vinnie: i don't know either, i was just restating what the writer of the article had to say -dave
[2001-07-25 08:46:00] - finally, a non amd mobo that rivals the amd760 for performance: http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q3/shuttle-ak31/index.x?pg=1 -dave
[2001-07-25 08:40:00] - perhaps the "novelty" is wearing off for some people? i can't think of many reasons why this would be happening - vinnie
[2001-07-25 08:39:00] - surfing at 56k, that is - vinnie
[2001-07-25 08:39:00] - dave: maybe. but i have no problem doing that at home - vinnie
[2001-07-25 08:30:00] - factors considered include the many layoffs in recent weeks - once you get used to the t1 surfing at work, it's hard to go back to the good 'ol 56k -dave
[2001-07-25 08:29:00] - net traffic shrinking? how could it be? http://www.idg.net/ic_655771_1794_9-10000.html -dave
[2001-07-25 08:21:00] - the article: http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1505 -dave
[2001-07-25 08:20:00] - based on xp rc1 (release candidate 1) you will need 25-27% more computing power for the new os. this is an improvement from 30-37% based on the beta -dave
[2001-07-25 08:15:00] - article again!: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44801-2001Jul24.html -dave
[2001-07-25 08:15:00] - oh boy, everyone's upset at a panel commissioned to report on how social security should change. even though it is 8 democrats and 8 republicans, they were lambasted by critics -dave
[2001-07-25 08:11:00] - the article: http://www.washtech.com/news/software/11393-1.html -dave
[2001-07-25 08:10:00] - hehe, the music companies want us to license music from them - have to pay monthly fee - and you don't even get to copy the song, so if you want to listen to it next month, you gotta pay again. how lame -dave
[2001-07-25 08:07:00] - sounds good to me, i just hope they can do it without taking too much away from the other areas -dave
[2001-07-25 08:06:00] - apparently they want to "boost spending on missile defense, satellites, counterterrorism and computer warfare" -dave
[2001-07-25 08:06:00] - here's the article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46034-2001Jul24.html -dave
[2001-07-25 08:05:00] - "...was to tell the chiefs and top civilian officials: "We have a big problem." -dave
[2001-07-25 08:05:00] - "Specifically, the analysts told Rumsfeld that to execute his new strategy, the Navy might need 34 aircraft carriers, almost triple the current number. Rumsfeld's response, Pentagon officials said, was to tell the..." -dave
[2001-07-25 08:04:00] - hurray for revamping the military - just have to figure out how to do it right -dave
[2001-07-25 01:03:00] - http://anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1501 - mig
[2001-07-24 23:56:00] - http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6658768.html the stuff about intertrust is particularly interesting. - mig
[2001-07-24 21:16:00] - except much much worse. - mig
[2001-07-24 21:16:00] - reminds me of microsoft's "renewal" license. - mig
[2001-07-24 21:13:00] - http://www.sonicnet.com/news/story.jhtml?id=1445382 *shakes head* terrible, terrible subscription model. - mig
[2001-07-24 20:19:00] - worked from 9:00 to 8:15 today. woo. ~a
[2001-07-24 17:41:00] - http://slashdot.org/search.pl?topic=microsoft
[2001-07-24 17:21:00] - aba: it may not be. there are tons of things in xp that are pissing of a lot of people. - mig
[2001-07-24 17:15:00] - home! home! home! going home! homehomehome! woo! - aba
[2001-07-24 17:14:00] - Italicized - aba
[2001-07-24 17:13:00] - http://www.salon.com/politics/wire/2001/07/24/bush_guns/index.html
[2001-07-24 17:12:00] - italicized? ~a
[2001-07-24 17:11:00] - i guess the and should have been italisized ~a
[2001-07-24 17:11:00] - in os, when we studied the job of an operating system, i don't remember learning that an operating system should manage running processes and process digital photographs. ~a
[2001-07-24 17:08:00] - i hope no one buys xp and that it flops miserably (i know that this is wishful thinking). - aba
[2001-07-24 17:07:00] - stupid microsoft is confusing operating systems with applications again. ~a
[2001-07-24 17:07:00] - http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/supergeek/story/0,23008,3338390,00.html interesting registry cleaning utility. i just came across it. - aba
[2001-07-24 17:00:00] - here's the article: http://www.washtech.com/news/regulation/11376-1.html -dave
[2001-07-24 16:59:00] - senator on the senate judiciary committee wants to prevent release of win xp if microsoft does not make it compatible with competing software -dave
[2001-07-24 16:57:00] - http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/07/24/cyber.sheriff.idg/index.html ashcroft can bite me. - aba
[2001-07-24 16:23:00] - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010724/tc/death_to_virus_writers__1.html
[2001-07-24 16:22:00] - http://www.rdp.vt.edu/f&r/tentasgn.htm
[2001-07-24 16:15:00] - where is the housing list again? i can't find it on rdp.vt.edu. ~a
[2001-07-24 15:58:00] - could be hudson, but probably not the hudson youre thinking of.
- aba[2001-07-24 15:58:00] - it is my roommate for next year. - aba
[2001-07-24 15:33:00] - that looks like a housing code. is hu for hudson? ~a
[2001-07-24 15:24:00] - oops. i didnt mean to paste that there. - aba
[2001-07-24 15:24:00] - HU54350
[2001-07-24 14:33:00] - For articles, I occasionally publish articles of my own on my webpage, I haven't had time for any new ones in a while, and some of my old ones are poorly written, but... -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:32:00] - dave: probably, but I don't know any articles, I'm just citing books I have read. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:32:00] - i for one would read an article on your topics, but probably not a book -dave
[2001-07-24 14:31:00] - xpovos: i could be wrong, but recommending articles might be better than books. reading a book is a little bit bigger as far as endeavors go -dave
[2001-07-24 14:28:00] - For looks at anarcho-capitalism read L. Neil Smith's works. In particular "The Probability Broach." -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:24:00] - anarcho-capitalism? http://www.infoshop.org/faq/append1.html
[2001-07-24 14:20:00] - No, I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, I'm a minimalist, and on top of that a rational anarchist. Likely you no longer have any clue what I'm talking about... -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:19:00] - hmm.. ok, i thought you implied by your "socially unnacceptable" statement that you believed in anarachy. my mistake. - mig
[2001-07-24 14:18:00] - Robert, not rober -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:17:00] - mig: anarchy is not true freedom, read "Anarchy: State and Utopia" by Rober Nozick -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:15:00] - as much as it seems, i don't believe anarchy equates to true freedom. - mig
[2001-07-24 14:15:00] - sure there is; if there are socially acceptable benefits, you can sell anything. -jdb
[2001-07-24 14:08:00] - There is no socially acceptable way of phrasing "I'm going to tear down the government and replace it with next to nothing." -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:07:00] - xpovos: Agreed, but I am just saying that you need to learn from Josh and phrase it in a more socially acceptable way. -paul
[2001-07-24 14:07:00] - paul: well, I am, aren't I? I'm just doing a better job of it than anyone could have imagined. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:06:00] - xpovos: Wrong answer, that sounds too harsh. Just say you are getting rid of government waste and making the government more efficient
-paul[2001-07-24 14:03:00] - jdb: from the billions of dollars in taxes that the government is taking in, naturally, cut all services, and I mean -all- services, pay off the debt and then eliminate all future taxes. Works pretty well. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 14:01:00] - xpovos: where do you think the money should come from to pay back bond holders? -jdb
[2001-07-24 14:00:00] - mig: I don't know enough about the case to pass judgement, but it seems to me that Adobe was damned either way they went. If they pressed charges people hate them and if they drop charges people still hate them. -paul
[2001-07-24 13:59:00] - paul: the other thing that adobe could do is allow the book that got dimitry arrested to be available here. that's not the case however, and as such adobe are not redeemed. - mig
[2001-07-24 13:55:00] - Oops, that was me -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 13:55:00] - paul: I don't believe in either.
[2001-07-24 13:55:00] - jdb: Nice answer. You believe in government efficiency and trimming waste. I believe in world peace and perfect happiness -paul
[2001-07-24 13:55:00] - I am a citizen of the United States, for the time being, I recognize in myself the capacity to leave and be something else should the need arise though. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 13:53:00] - xpovos: do you view yourself as a citizen of the united states or as a seperate entity? -jdb
[2001-07-24 13:53:00] - paul: a short kinda-answer-but-not-really, i believe in trimming gov't waste. streamling and efficiency should be a top priority. but you and i would probably disagree about what is efficient and what is not efficient, yadda yadda yadda. -jdb
[2001-07-24 13:52:00] - paul: that's a hard thing to answer. i'm sure there are unnecessary programs, and cuts could have been made. but who knows, maybe if i were president I would have created more (net) programs. too complex of an issue for a simple answer. -jdb
[2001-07-24 13:51:00] - russian law is irrelevant though. if he gets wrongfully improsoned in america he should be able to sue. - mig
[2001-07-24 13:50:00] - it would also be nice to get the dmca ruled unconstitutional on the side. but hopefully the felten case will take care of that as well. - mig
[2001-07-24 13:50:00] - jdb: Ok, but what I am asking is whether you think he should have made the cuts at all. -paul
[2001-07-24 13:49:00] - but does russian law allow him to do it? seems like if he can get arrested by them he should be able to sue them. dunno though -dave
[2001-07-24 13:48:00] - i think he should be able to. adobe is a international business, no? - mig
[2001-07-24 13:47:00] - paul: if i were going to use that strategy, i would have kept taxes at a stable rate, and made the cuts behind the scenes. -jdb
[2001-07-24 13:47:00] - mig: can he even though he is a russian? -dave
[2001-07-24 13:45:00] - jdb: How about the cuts that Bush made in the budget to support his tax cuts? What do you think of them? -paul
[2001-07-24 13:45:00] - the damage is done however, and i just hope he sues the pants out of adobe when he gets released. - mig
[2001-07-24 13:44:00] - uh, jdb, each citizen's share is $0, or some share of -$20k/person. The gov owes us money. The national debt is what it owes it's bond holders. -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 13:41:00] - paul: other issues are more important, i think, such as paying off the national debt (each citizen's share is about $20k). -jdb
[2001-07-24 13:39:00] - mig: but still, i don't think they can do much else for him besides asking for his release -dave
[2001-07-24 13:35:00] - jdb: Just out of curiosity, why don't you support the tax refund? -paul
[2001-07-24 13:34:00] - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/07/23/2338222&cid=402 - mig
[2001-07-24 13:30:00] - and on top of that, they're still trying to support the "validity" of the dmca. - mig
[2001-07-24 13:30:00] - http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/quayle.htm heres a list of quayle quotes (towards the bottom) that have actually been verified. note the similarity to those on the gore list posted previously. - aba
[2001-07-24 13:29:00] - dave: i think everyone likes that (getting checks).
-jdb[2001-07-24 13:28:00] - mig: So basically, after the programmer got arrested there was nothing Adobe could do to redeem itself in your eyes? -paul
[2001-07-24 13:28:00] - considering they're the ones who got the fbi invovled, they should be doing a hell of a lot more than just "asking" for his release. - mig
[2001-07-24 13:27:00] - dave: to me, it's still a pr ploy. i see it more of "we wash our hands of this situation", rather than them actually trying to remedy it. - mig
[2001-07-24 13:20:00] - aba: no, i know - i'm just saying that mentally i like getting checks back instead of writing them. -dave
[2001-07-24 13:18:00] - unsigned: uh, half of those quotes attributed to al goree are actually from dan quayle. - aba
[2001-07-24 13:18:00] - dave: considering how much money the govt gives for school and other things, i really dont care about writing out a check for a hundred dollars in taxes. - aba
[2001-07-24 13:17:00] - http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/mackinno.htm
[2001-07-24 13:16:00] - paul: i agree that it would be quite a political statement if lots of individuals participate in these progressive rebate-rejection websites. -jdb
[2001-07-24 13:13:00] - paul: well, the article didn't really say much-- so i think i would have to wait for the follow-up article next fall. but keep in mind that i don't agree with the rebate in the first place.
-jdb[2001-07-24 13:11:00] - http://www.angelfire.com/or/jazz/ALgore.html
[2001-07-24 13:10:00] - jdb: Do you agree with what the author says about the article? -paul
[2001-07-24 13:08:00] - aba: that sucks, but your own fault. i kinda like them taking it out to begin with because then i always feel like i end up with more money rather than having to pay more back -dave
[2001-07-24 13:07:00] - paul: neat reason article; i've seen a lot of those websites over the past few days. -jdb
[2001-07-24 13:07:00] - mig: at least adobe is asking for his release - probably no one will prosecute him since the original plaintiff has backed off -dave
[2001-07-24 13:06:00] - no, i ended up paying money to the govt because one of my jobs last year was as a consultant, so i didnt get taxes taken out automatically. - aba
[2001-07-24 13:05:00] - http://www.slipups.com/tree/33.html for the sake of fairnesss... - mig
[2001-07-24 13:04:00] - aba: none of us get rebates for that reason - but you shoulda gotten most of yours back anyways. i got all mine back because i'm paying for school -dave
[2001-07-24 13:03:00] - dagnabit, stock market still falling -dave
[2001-07-24 13:03:00] - heh. i dont even get a rebate because i am declared as a dependent by my parents. - aba
[2001-07-24 13:01:00] - http://www.reason.com/hod/sr072301.html Interesting article about websites which urge people to spend their tax refund on charity -paul
[2001-07-24 13:01:00] - paul: so you happy about bush pushing for removal of troops from kosovo? -dave
[2001-07-24 12:58:00] - jdb: I disagree, I think Clinton was a far better public speaker because in addition to prepared remarks, he was also able to field questions from the audience and respond to them -paul
[2001-07-24 12:56:00] - xpovos: true, nobody is a perfect public speaker. well, perhaps reagan was the most brilliant presidential public speaker of our time. bush jr just seems to have a disproportionate share of gaffes. -jdb
[2001-07-24 12:55:00] - http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010722-91250857.htm Unites States angers the world by resisting attempts at worldwide gun control -paul
[2001-07-24 12:54:00] - http://www.techcentralstation.com/NewsDesk.asp?FormMode=PolicyTracksArticles&ID=128 Stossel speaking on the media and regulation -paul
[2001-07-24 12:52:00] - We get the point, Bush is a poor public speaker, I'm certain you could go through the archives of any public speeker and find similar quotes, so why not give it a rest? -- Xpovos
[2001-07-24 12:44:00] - http://www.charlotte.com/justgo/ent/pub/nicknames.htm funny celebrity nicknames - aba
[2001-07-24 12:41:00] - http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/23/2315228&mode=thread
[2001-07-24 12:38:00] - http://www.slipups.com/tree/12.html
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