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[2004-05-13 22:40:00] - vinnie: about working out when you move out, it depends where you move, i usually have full reign over the tv that's by the bike/weights i use, and there's never many people, of course i also go around 7:00pm - travis
[2004-05-13 22:22:00] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040513/ts_nm/iraq_usa_beheading_family_dc berg's dad blames bush and rumsfeld for his son's death. - mig
[2004-05-13 19:29:00] - I'm lucky I got a new laptop right before this trip; this one can play DVDs, which has kept me occupied. - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:25:00] - It was boring, there weren't beautiful exciting people there. so we went back to the room. -mel
[2004-05-13 19:24:00] - I know what you mean about the hotel bar. I tried that on a snoawboarding trip to switzerland. my friends and I went to the hotel bar. and it was not at all like the movies. -mel
[2004-05-13 19:23:00] - woah -mel
[2004-05-13 19:22:00] - - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:22:00] - Mel: it's the 17-year cicada brood that's emerging this year
[2004-05-13 19:21:00] - pierce: what is Brood X? -mel
[2004-05-13 19:17:00] - or IM me (IdleHanley) if you want to talk. - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:14:00] - okie, well I'll check back in a bit to see if people are more chatty then. adios. - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:10:00] - they were just coming out when I left. - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:10:00] - hey nova people: how bad has Brood X gotten? - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:10:00] - chirp chirp... - crickets
[2004-05-13 19:07:00] - I feel like going to the bar in the hotel tonight, because I have all these pictures in my head from movies of incredibly interesting things happening to incredibly cool people in bars. But I know that in reality, I'd just sit down there for twenty minutes, feeling self-conscious and then go back to my room. Why must movies lie to me? - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:04:00] - see ya, vinnie. - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:03:00] - vinnie: the onion straws are only one cell wide? god, that can't be very filling. - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:03:00] - alright, time for dinnah. so long ya'll - vinnie
[2004-05-13 19:02:00] - via capillary action, I assume? - vinnie
[2004-05-13 19:00:00] - ugh. imagine drnking a diet coke through one of those... - pierce
[2004-05-13 19:00:00] - pierce: I felt that way about Damon's Grill's onion straws. it was nearly 100% breading - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:58:00] - I'm convinced that Arby's curly fries do not contain any potato at any point in their lifecycle. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:56:00] - they have a show on showtime called "Bullshit". it's fantastic! You can get the first season on netflix. - mig
[2004-05-13 18:55:00] - http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/13/2220220 hooray if true. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:55:00] - mig: hehe, wasn't that episode great? the people at the restaurant were too much - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:55:00] - mig: woah, whats penn + teller? do you have a link?? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:54:00] - so don't buy Everest, anyway. - mig
[2004-05-13 18:54:00] - pierce: ok. hmm, I'm getting hungry too. I'm going to check the refrigerator at work. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:54:00] - ha! i just watched the penn + teller episode on bottled water! don't buy it. it's just fucking tap water!!!!! Well, Everest water admits on the bottle that the source of the water comes from Corpus Christi Municiple Water supply. - mig
[2004-05-13 18:53:00] - very neat - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:52:00] - i'm back, but eating. don't expect much typing until I finish inhaling my food. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:52:00] - http://www.arroyofest.org Arroyo Fest. The Arroyo Highway (110), the oldest highway in America, was only open to bike and pedestrian traffic for one morning. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:52:00] - hahaha, the people are on the wrong side of the road
- vinnie[2004-05-13 18:51:00] - that's a different one probably though - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:51:00] - teehee http://genesis.sannet.gov/infospc/templates/cd1/images/photo_gallery/gallery_del_sur6.jpg - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:51:00] - exactly. I was looking of one to post for you. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:49:00] - heh, very cool. the picture of it probably looks great - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:48:00] - Last year was neat, LA actually closed the 110 freeway one Saturday for a whole morning and the whole freeway was open to only bikes and pedestrians. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:47:00] - that must be kind of funny, assuming the day does get a lot of people to do it - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:46:00] - the city encourages everyone to bike to work, yes. Not everyone does, but there is an effort. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:46:00] - yup, I have a bike. I really wouldn't want to bike in my work clothes though. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:45:00] - whoa whoa, that's a day in pasadena. like, everyone does it? - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:44:00] - yeah, especially for 4 miles. you have a bike? - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:44:00] - vinnie: well you might, depending on the living arrangement. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:43:00] - and you don't get to choose the channel
- vinnie[2004-05-13 18:43:00] - vinnie: next thurs is take your bike to work day in pasadena I live about 4 miles from work but in an uphill direction (in the morning). Thinking of biking. The problem isn't the distance but the clothes. I would probably have to change clothes. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:42:00] - so I dunno if I'll keep doing it - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:42:00] - vinnie: all pretty good reasons. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:42:00] - yeah. in front of a nice big tv in our cool basement. in an apartment complex, you have to be around other people in a hot room on a small tv - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:41:00] - why? your parents have a treadmill? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:40:00] - and that will probably stop as soon as I move out - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:40:00] - vinnie; thats pretty good. I think thats more than the average person. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:40:00] - and not running, walking. heh - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:40:00] - you mean, like real running? not just away from the computer? i do 30 minutes on a treadmill every day, that's about all the exercise I do - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:40:00] - how about toity? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:39:00] - I never run anywhere (or very rarely anyway). -mel
[2004-05-13 18:39:00] - vinnie: do you run much? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:38:00] - haha. probably, vinnie. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:38:00] - mel: it's his speed in running - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:38:00] - hahahaha. cown - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:37:00] - vinnie: he's good at that. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:37:00] - Heh. You guys know how I like to hybridize words (doppaulganger). While I'm gone, imagine the amusing word I discovered when I tried to combine "town" and "city". - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:37:00] - like Fort Bevoir is really an army base. But I guess Fort Wayne is not. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:37:00] - dammit! you snuck in - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:37:00] - well, since pierce didn't answer I'm gonna assume that's what it is - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:36:00] - It's not a fort, it's just a town/city. But I'm sure there's a fort in the town/city somewhere. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:36:00] - me too. A big army fort. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:35:00] - central I think. i've wondered that second part too. just like your ridiculous mental image of pierce, my image of fort wayne the city is just a big fort - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:35:00] - Indiana has funky times, because they don't recognize daylight savings. It's technically central. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:35:00] - because how often do people really run other than while playing sports or while at the gym? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:34:00] - haha. ok the running thing is still funny
[2004-05-13 18:34:00] - pierce: what time zone is indniana in? is it really a fort or a city named Fort? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:33:00] - Hey, I'm going to run (haha) and get some food next door, but I'll be back in a few. Don't nobody go nowheres. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:32:00] - pierce: correction, what you look like -mel
[2004-05-13 18:31:00] - pierce: haha. Thats not what I meant. I have no idea what you like, I haven't seen you for years. but the idea that something on the message board would actually cause you to get up from your computer and run away is totally ridiculous. thats why its funny. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:31:00] - Mel: I'm in Fort Wayne, IN. I like travelling for work as long as the work's interesting, I'm gone long enough that I'm not spending too much time in a plane compared to the value I get, and as long as I'm not gone so long that I start to get homesick. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:31:00] - pierce: i know it is for me, can't speak for others
- vinnie[2004-05-13 18:30:00] - Mel: I'm not that out of shape, that the very image of me running is a source of amusement, am I? - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:30:00] - pierce: oh ok, that makes more sense. what city are you in? do you like travelling for work? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:30:00] - Mel: hey, I never said I'd stick around to be mocked. Just that you should all mock me rather than come up with forced controversial topics. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:29:00] - pierce: i think its funny when you say run away. I get this mental image of you actually running away which is ridiculous and then I laugh. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:29:00] - hehem I remember dvorak. even adrian doesn't use it anymore, does he? - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:29:00] - Mel: no, but our tasks out here ended early this afternoon, so I came back and I've been doing other work from here. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:29:00] - vinnie: yes, we all decided we were going to make fun of Pierce today and then he disappeared. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:28:00] - pierce: I mean while you're travelling. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:28:00] - vinnie: I had a similar problem that year I tried switching to the dvorak keyboard layout. Boy was that a bad idea (sorry adrian). I must not have realized that I USE MORE THAN ONE COMPUTER OVER THE COURSE OF MY LIFE. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:28:00] - pierce: oh, you did lose your connection? how annoying - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:28:00] - pierce: you should get your money back or a discount. so you actually work in a hotel? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:27:00] - so not too farfetched a concept - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:27:00] - vinnie: I know that was awesome. cue Paul says blah blah blah -mel
[2004-05-13 18:27:00] - Mel: no, I'm actually pissed at the hotel. I paid $9.95 for a single night of broadband, they could at least keep it active the whole time. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:27:00] - vinnie: exactly, thats my problem too. The learning curve involved in making a change like that is really discouraging. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:26:00] - i've tried predicting what people on this board will say. paul has too. there was a post yesterday where I predicted what paul was going to say right before he said it - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:26:00] - pierce: HAHA. You lose your connection at the hotel. riiiight. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:25:00] - i tried touch typing for one summer. just such a hassle to unlearn and then relearn. in three months i was still slower than I am normally - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:25:00] - pierce: me too. It's good its over. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:25:00] - Sometimes we go into uncharted territory, though, and rather than reveal my secret I just run away and blame it on work. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:25:00] - pierce: actually I would be really impressed if you could do it. you should become a psychologist if you can do that. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:24:00] - pierce: haha! that would be so funny (and lame) if you did that. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:24:00] - vinnie: I don't type properly either. but its so hard to change habits. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:24:00] - Mel: yeah, I did. But I was disappointed with the show as a whole near the end. http://www.ph0.org/blog/public/archives/000060.html - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:23:00] - haha, I kind of did burn my hand soldering back in middle school, when I touched a very hot piece of metal that I thought was cool. not enough to leave a scar like the oven did, but still... - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:23:00] - Mel: actually, I type really slow. But I spend all night predicting everyone elses' conversations, and writing replies. Then I copy and paste as needed. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:23:00] - I didn't. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:23:00] - pierce: did you see the season finale? -mel
[2004-05-13 18:22:00] - pierce: definitely didn't see that one. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:22:00] - both of you do. i struggle to keep up with my hunting and pecking - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:22:00] - Mel: it's the one where the crazy guy downstairs dies, and Chandler thinks he's going to turn into a crazy person when he gets old, so he decides on "crazy snake guy" as his idiosyncrasy of choice. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:22:00] - vinnie: at least you didn't burn your hand while soldering!! That really racks up there as a stupid thing to do. and difficult. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:21:00] - vinnie: pierce types fast. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:21:00] - pierce: ah, I must have missed that one. I've only seen maybe 2/3 of the shows. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:21:00] - i'm like six posts behind on everything - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:21:00] - yay for blogs - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:20:00] - its a livejournal blog though, mostly because I already had an account there. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:20:00] - but it's still funny how things like that can affect you. this will seem flippant compared to mel's story, but I burned my hand on the top of an oven and felt uneasy putting things in ovens for years - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:20:00] - Mel: I think I shamelessly ripped it off from a "Friends" episode. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:20:00] - I thought I would follow the peer pressure.
-mel[2004-05-13 18:20:00] - haha. how did you get "snake man?" -mel
[2004-05-13 18:20:00] - YAY! - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:19:00] - hey guys, I started a blog. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:19:00] - I'm getting a little sick of small children running away from me and my babies. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:19:00] - I wish I had that idiosyncrasy, instead of being "crazy snake man" - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:17:00] - And of all of the particular idiosyncrasies that people have, "not wanting people to be in pain" is about as benign as it gets. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:17:00] - responding to your longer post, not the one you just made. heh, here's the benefit of threading - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:16:00] - pierce:
-mel[2004-05-13 18:16:00] - mel: no, it's understandable that that might cause you to feel the way you do - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:16:00] - pierce: its ok, I'm definitely not looking for sympathy. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:15:00] - vinnie: I do too, I hadn't thought much about it until pierce mentioned it the other day. but the simplicity of this message board is part of its appeal. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:15:00] - Mel: what I'm abruptly coming to realize is another characteristic of the message board as a forum, in that it's very hard to type sympathetic things and not have them come off as calloused or sarcastic.
- pierce[2004-05-13 18:15:00] - but very consistent. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:15:00] - the open-mindedness is the best part, but I also like the lack of threading. more like a real conversation - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:15:00] - it is an irrational, emotional reaction. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:14:00] - pierce: in my case anyway, its based on personal experience. when I was a kid, one of my parents got very sick with a terminal disease that caused a great deal of pain and was sick for several years. the experience burned itself into my head. as a result, I always respond very strongly to pain. I cannot stand other people being in pain. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:13:00] - Mel: I should make clear that you obviously don't have to tell me if it's personal, but if your only qualm is to have it be a matter of public discussion, then there are alternative forms of communication that don't have that problem. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:12:00] - Mel: you can email it if you like. this is an interesting forum, because it differs so much from how people used to discuss such topics in that everything is on our permanent records, so to speak. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:11:00] - Pierce: well it's fairly personal but I'm surprising myself with how easy it is to post opinions/experiences/stories here. This message board is very open-minded. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:08:00] - vinnie: yes, we'll get work done. or I will anyway. My afternoons after 3 PM tend to be very productive but boring. -Mel
[2004-05-13 18:08:00] - Mel: I'm interested to hear your theories and I'm not pressed for time. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:08:00] - Paul: aww.
ok, bye Paul. until next week. -Mel[2004-05-13 18:07:00] - pierce: yeah, maybe work will get done
- vinnie[2004-05-13 18:07:00] - pierce: I think I actually respond more consistenly to crying (Paul). It is porbably what I respond to the most on a fudemental level. I cannot stand people being in pain. I have my theories on why. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:07:00] - Mel: I wouldn't go around spreading that conclusion with some of the more die-hard heterophobes and homophobes. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:06:00] - Anyway, no more Stalin. I'm out! -Paul
[2004-05-13 18:06:00] - Mel: And no you won't because I won't be here. See you next week. -Paul
[2004-05-13 18:06:00] - pierce: maybe it is all a cycle. Then gay = straight. Very interesting. I like that conclusion. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:06:00] - Pierce: Actually, that sounds surprisingly like what I was trying to say before.
-Paul[2004-05-13 18:06:00] - Mel: so which is it, crying (Paul) or donuts (my own wonderful self)? - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:05:00] - pierce: people will just leave. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:05:00] - Paul: see you tomorrow! -mel
[2004-05-13 18:05:00] - Paul: what? you're not going to be on the board, and I'm not going to be on the board, so who will people subconsciously align with? - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:04:00] - pierce: ah, and donuts are such a good way to lure me to do anything. Food really. People can be so simple. Crying is also an extremely good way to manipulate me. -mel
[2004-05-13 18:04:00] - sucker, i'm already at home. i love living so close to work - vinnie
[2004-05-13 18:04:00] - Paul: ack! so what you're saying is that the continuum is actually a cycle, where both endpoints are actually the same! That completely blows my mind when applied to the sexual orientation discussion. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:04:00] - Anyway, it's past time for me to go home, so I'm outta here. I won't be at work tomorrow, so we'll see how all you doppelgangers do debating things without your favorite whipping boy around.
-Paul[2004-05-13 18:03:00] - haha. I am seriously cracking up. This time about vinnie's enthusiam... -mel
[2004-05-13 18:03:00] - Mel: it's because you're a doppaulganger on the rebound. Come back to our team. We have donuts! - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:03:00] - Pierce: It's ONLY frowning and crying. Nothing else in between. -Paul
[2004-05-13 18:02:00] - Pierce: damn, another good reference. I am so close-minded about everything apparently. -Mel
[2004-05-13 18:02:00] - Paul: woah, you're right! thats even sadder. -Mel
[2004-05-13 18:02:00] - Paul: it's frowning and crying. Stop thinking of everything in terms of strict poles. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:01:00] - Pierce does raise a good point though, maybe I should try being less disagreeable. -Paul
[2004-05-13 18:01:00] - Pierce: thanks pierce, I'm saying the word to myself right now. Good thing I have an office and no one can hear me or they would think I was crazy. -Mel
[2004-05-13 18:01:00] - Mel: It's not frowning, it's CRYING.
-Paul[2004-05-13 18:01:00] - Paul: I don't lie to make people feel better. And that frowny face is really sad. -Mel
[2004-05-13 18:00:00] - vinnie: then, in your lack of enthusiasm you forgot an excalamation point. - pierce
[2004-05-13 18:00:00] - i've learned so many pronunciations that way - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:59:00] - um, in my enthusiasm I forgot a space http://www.m-w.com - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:59:00] - it's not pronounced like "ganjer", which would have been a possible phoenetic pronunciation. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:59:00] - Mel: Nono, it's ok. No need to lie to make me feel better. I see how it is.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:59:00] - http://www.m-w.com! - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:59:00] - Mel: "dop" "paul" "gang" "er" - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:58:00] - Paul: you didn't leave, did you? -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:58:00] - The problem with learning new words online or from books is sometimes I don't know how to pronounce them. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:58:00] - Paul: trust me, you're wrong and everyone else is right. You will be assimilated. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:57:00] - Paul: but that doesn't mean you're not right. It just menas either you're right and no one else is or everyone else is right and you're not. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:57:00] - Andrew would make an okay "doppaulganger". - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:56:00] - That is so mean and yet so true because people rarely agree with Paul. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:56:00] - Hooray! I'm humorous. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:55:00] - HAHA. Thats great, Pierce. I'm actually laughing out loud. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:55:00] -
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:55:00] - as we all know, google is the ultimate arbiter of rightness. They define doppleganger as "alter ego." -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:54:00] -
- pierce[2004-05-13 17:54:00] - ohhh! - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:54:00] - Paul: but nobody wants to be you. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:54:00] - Pierce: I really don't want to hear about what flavors you come in.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:54:00] - Vinnie: But don't you two agree on everything? Should it be more like Pierce or me? Since we never agree? -Paul
[2004-05-13 17:53:00] - Paul: no, everybody is me, but it's what flavor of me they want to be that's in question. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:53:00] - no no, everyone is me or Mel - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:52:00] - Mel: actually, it makes sense because "doppel" is double. You guys are more of my dreiergruppegangers. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:52:00] - Vinnie: It's a defense mechanism to keep people from getting too close.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:52:00] - Great. So now everybody is either Vinnie or Pierce? What a choice. -Paul
[2004-05-13 17:52:00] - paul: except when you craft your own opinion to push others away
- vinnie[2004-05-13 17:51:00] - pierce: oooh, nice. thats a good point, I was being closeminded about it, wasn't I? Why am I assuming there are only two possible states (me or vinnie)? -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:51:00] - errr, ä - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:51:00] - I'm like an anti-ganger, since whatever position I take seems to push people away.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:50:00] - vinnie: yeah, it does, but the mboard doesn't support ü. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:50:00] - Mel: I just decide my doppleganger on a sliding scale, is all.
- pierce[2004-05-13 17:49:00] - doppelganger is an excellent word. except I think it has an umlaut - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:49:00] - And yes I have shame.
-Mel[2004-05-13 17:49:00] - Mel: Officially, I don't really care what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt me. Unofficially, I think heterosexual marriage is a bad deal for men in today's environment. And yes, actually, I always strive to have people respect me opinion at the very least, even if they don't agree with it. -Paul
[2004-05-13 17:48:00] - pierce: I've never even seen anyone use the word doppelganger before you. And I'm not even 100% sure of its meaning. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:48:00] - Pierce: HAHA. I just say it how it comes. Besides you don't have any loyalty to your doppelganger anyways.
-Mel[2004-05-13 17:48:00] - Paul: You're the reboundganger. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:47:00] - Pierce: I'm the rebound guy.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:47:00] - Paul:
As long as you are opposed to all types of marriage without gender discrimination, I have no problems with your opinion. In case my opinion of your opinion matters at all. -Mel[2004-05-13 17:47:00] - Mel: As long as we don't discuss economic issues, we should be fine.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:46:00] - Mel: what, I start agreeing with Vinnie again and you start to be Paul's doppelganger on the rebound? Have you no shame?! - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:46:00] - Paul: yes, you do seem to agree, Paul. I'm very surprised. We actually have a lot of points of view in common. Which shouldn't be that surprising, I guess. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:45:00] - Mel: HAHAHA. I'm only opposed to marriage which involves a male and a female. All other types are fine.
(j/k) -Paul[2004-05-13 17:44:00] - Pierce: That, and a big old heaping helping of semantics.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:44:00] - that's right, paul is opposed to all marriage. which is cool, I can see why. I just remembered. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:43:00] - I think, anyway - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:43:00] - Mel: Very well then. I'm a bit confused because I think I agree with you all except that I might be even more "radical" but I can't quite tell.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:43:00] - the real issue is that most people think if you call yourself straight, you're locked into that. you have no gay tendencies - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:43:00] - Mel: we just weren't going to go down the "gay marriage" road. Which is fine, because Paul's objection to it (as far as I can tell) has to do with government recognition of it more than the actual sexual orientations involved. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:43:00] - Paul: No the agreement is that sexuality is some sort of continuum. rather than just two possible states, -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:42:00] - well, no, not just that bisexuality exists, but that it's a sliding scale - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:42:00] - Paul: more or less. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:42:00] - Paul: well yes it definitely depends on your definitions. but I thought we weren't going to go down this road? -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:42:00] - Paul: as I see it, the poles are valid points along the continuum, so I don't think "everybody is bisexual to some extent". But that doesn't negate the existence of points between the two poles. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:41:00] - Pierce: So the big agreement is just that bisexuality exists? -Paul
[2004-05-13 17:40:00] - vinnie: yes, its actually a very common perception/opinion. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:40:00] - Paul: I don't think Mel thought a lot of people shared her opinions about sexual polarity (or lack thereof). She's feeling supported by the fact that vinnie and I (at least) agree with her. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:39:00] - I guess it depends a lot on how you defend bisexual. -Paul
[2004-05-13 17:39:00] - Pierce: What if all of us are bisexual and it's just a matter of how open we are to experimentation? -Paul
[2004-05-13 17:38:00] - pierce: really? huh - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:38:00] - I must've missed it. Why are we hopeful for the future now? -Paul
[2004-05-13 17:38:00] - Paul: a surprisingly large number of people, in my experience, believe that "bi" doesn't actually exist and is either a transition stage to one of the poles, or just flat out a psychological disorder. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:37:00] - Paul: ok, lets not get started. because I'm feeling pretty hopeful about the future after hearing pierce and vinnie voice their opinions.
-Mel[2004-05-13 17:37:00] - Paul: if you just hold that opinion, then no. If you exercise it by arguing its merits with someone, then it depends. If you exercise it by not hiring Seamus O'Callahan because you think he'll be hung over all the time, then yes. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:36:00] - vinnie: you too? -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:36:00] - Uh oh. Don't get me started on gay marriage.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:36:00] - pierce: wow, that is really cool. I am hopeful too, but somewhat worried about the intolerance I see. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:36:00] - completely agree, that is - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:35:00] - oh i completely. i would guess on this board most people think there isn't just straight and gay - vinnie
[2004-05-13 17:35:00] - It doesn't seem to me like this will happen in the :near future". It would be really nice, but I see it as unlikely. The lack of general support for same-sex marriage (which really should just be "marriage" with no same-sex in front of it) has convinced me of that. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:35:00] - Mel: I said I'm hoping, I wouldn't say I'm optimistic but then again I wouldn't say I'm pessimistic either. The recent prominence of equal rights regardless of sexual orientation fills me with hope, but some of the responses I see from more "traditional" folk fill me with dread. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:35:00] - Mel: That's what we have bisexual for.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:34:00] - Pierce: So you wouldn't say I have a tolerance problem if I said all Irishmen were drunks?
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:33:00] - Pierce: I do not think that everyone is either "gay" or "straight." -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:33:00] - Mel: Well, I thought the stereotype was that everybody in California is beautiful and I figured maybe that would've rubbed off on Caltech.
-Paul[2004-05-13 17:33:00] - Pierce: wow, you really think that?? I tottaly agree but I think this perspective is definitely the minority one currently. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:33:00] - Mel: IMO, that is correct. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:32:00] - Paul: assuming they're an idiot doesn't make me intolerant, because I can tolerate idiots. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:32:00] - Pierce: ok, thats true. So it is more close-minded to restrict yourself to some subset of races than it is to restrict youself to some subset of genders. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:32:00] - Melnie: in response to both of your comments, I'm hoping that at some point in the near future people will stop thinking of sexual attraction in such polar terms. No one will unilaterally dismiss any race or gender, and people will stop thinking that "straight" and "gay" are the only two real sexual orientations. - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:31:00] - Paul: Well, were you serious in your earlier CA comment? "It's California, there has to be SOME." That didn't really make sense because I'm talking about the population of good looking males at Caltech. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:30:00] - Mel: I think gender makes more sense, because there's a very fundamental biological distinction between men and women that is greater than the difference between white people and black people... - pierce
[2004-05-13 17:30:00] - Paul: haha. great. that must be why we have so much to talk about. -Mel
[2004-05-13 17:29:00] - Mel: What specific opinion about California are you looking for? -Paul
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