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[2004-06-08 12:17:51] - Melnie: All it takes is the small picture to mesmerize me. So the answer is no, I have no bigger pictures. Sorry. -Paul
[2004-06-08 12:14:59] - yeah, a bigger version would do a better job of mesmerizing. I'm with Vinnie. Got any bigger pics, Paul? -mel
[2004-06-08 12:14:30] - haha. yeah, for some reason... So you liked EuroTrip? -mel
[2004-06-08 12:14:12] - it's too small. how can I be mesmerized? - vinnie
[2004-06-08 12:13:53] - Mel: Except for you, I guess you're immune for some reason.
-Paul[2004-06-08 12:12:07] - haha. well the sports illustrated picture seems to have done just that. Everyone must be mesmerized..
-mel[2004-06-08 12:09:41] - Mel: I'm used to making comments which leave everybody else speechless, usually in a bad way. -Paul
[2004-06-08 12:08:58] - Paul: don't you love it when your post is the last one in a conversation thread?
-mel[2004-06-08 11:36:36] - http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/images/04/13/ftout_04siswimsuit_06.jpg Every time I visit the sports illustrated webpage, I get mesmerized by this picture. -Paul
[2004-06-08 11:07:54] - alrighty i'll try that. - mig
[2004-06-08 11:06:48] - i guess a string. i want to know the name of the class, so basically if i give a function the variable x, it would tell me that the variable is an instance of class y. - mig
[2004-06-08 11:06:07] - Object.getClass().getName() returns a String. ~a
[2004-06-08 11:05:09] - clarify your problem. ~a
[2004-06-08 11:04:57] - you want what then? you want a string? ~a
[2004-06-08 11:04:45] - oh, i get it. ~a
[2004-06-08 11:03:32] - mig: what i was saying, was that the instanceof operator returns a bool (which is what you want). ~a
[2004-06-08 11:03:06] - mig: yep. that's what i'm talking about: if(x instanceof Tree) {...} ~a
[2004-06-08 11:00:01] - the thing is i don't know what's in the set of what 'x' could be. - mig
[2004-06-08 10:57:15] - a: i don't want a bool. i want to know the name of the object not whether the object is 'x' or not. - mig
[2004-06-08 10:51:53] - returns a bool probably. ~a
[2004-06-08 10:51:39] - object instanceof type ~a
[2004-06-08 10:48:50] - java people: does anyone know how to find out what type of class a given variable is? - mig
[2004-06-08 09:57:55] - paul: it works for me. ~a
[2004-06-08 09:55:41] - Dave: That would probably be the problem then.
-Paul[2004-06-08 09:54:07] - Paul: I think it's something wrong with our DNS server or somethin, cuz it won't even bring up imdb.com for me -dave
[2004-06-08 09:51:38] - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/board/nest/8607820 Try again? -Paul
[2004-06-08 09:51:11] - Dave: Well, it works for me so I'm not sure what the problem is... -Paul
[2004-06-08 09:44:15] - paul: link doesn't seem to work for me -dave
[2004-06-08 09:42:33] - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/board/nest/8607820 I can't believe there is this big of a discussion on who Hermione likes. -Paul
[2004-06-08 09:30:45] - Dave: I think the swing voters don't particularly care right now as they typically don't start caring about elections until when they get closer. -Paul
[2004-06-08 09:24:31] - Dave: I think the point is that people aren't voting FOR Kerry as much as AGAINST Bush. Sometimes elections are all about voting for a candidate (normally when neither is the incumbent) and other times it's about voting against somebody (Reagan, Clinton, Bush). -Paul
[2004-06-08 09:12:40] - Paul: or they are saying that more swing voters hate Bush now and will vote for Kerry? My impression was that he had just united all the certified dem's and not the one's in the middle. Is this incorrect? -dave
[2004-06-08 09:11:16] - Paul: you know, all this talk about Kerry uniting all the democrats because they all hate Bush, this seems to imply that on other occasions, some democrats voted for the repub. candidate. Is that really correct? -dave
[2004-06-08 09:10:54] - Dave: Yeah, pretty much. -Paul
[2004-06-08 09:08:37] - Paul: ohhhh, you mean it might come back to bite the guy who made the statement, not Kerry ^_^ -dave
[2004-06-08 09:08:17] - mig: "We're going to carry him to victory"? Sounds like a guaranteed win to me. -paul
[2004-06-08 09:05:54] - paul: maybe a little foolish, but not as foolish as if he had guaranteed kerry would win. - mig
[2004-06-08 09:01:29] - Dave: I just mean if Kerry loses, then that statement will look exceedingly foolish. What is heavier than a sack of concrete? -Paul
[2004-06-08 09:00:03] - Paul: it seems like the votes that he will get because of that mentality aren't really going to change at all. So you think it might make it more difficult for him to win independent voters who don't necessarily hate Bush? -dave
[2004-06-08 08:59:01] - Paul: You mean for this election or the next? If you're talking about this one, I'm not really clear on how this could really backfire on him. Care to expound? -dave
[2004-06-08 08:55:10] - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_voxday_archive.html#108669464219506002 More Vox Day on Women's suffrage -Paul
[2004-06-08 08:46:56] - http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/sunearthday/2004/index_vthome.htm Venus Transit -Paul
[2004-06-08 08:42:06] - Dave: That could really come back to bite him in the ass. -Paul
[2004-06-08 08:38:11] - Amusingly clever statement "I don't care if John Kerry is a sack of cement," former Texas agricultural commissioner Jim Hightower said in a speech in Washington on Thursday. "We're going to carry him to victory."" -dave
[2004-06-08 08:14:20] - Vinnie: I liked EuroTrip, a lot better than I expected. -Paul
[2004-06-08 08:11:20] - mandatory -dave
[2004-06-08 08:11:08] - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/news/story?id=1817581 payton fined 5k for not talking to the media. Jeez, I didn't know it was madatory -dave
[2004-06-08 08:07:22] - I love the profoundness of some of the statements of basketball analysts "The Lakers will make more shots if they better their shot percentage and get more open looks. " -dave
[2004-06-08 07:34:16] - hehe, did anyone know that mini-me was married to a 6' 2" model? Well, he's trying to get the marriage annulled now -dave
[2004-06-08 04:04:51] - I apologize for my server's recent downtime, and the fact that many of your links may now be broken. It was beyond my control. The site is now back up (again, second time in 3 days) and -should- be solid until I move out. See my AIM profile for more details -- Xpovos
[2004-06-07 22:20:17] - Ew still like $25 per CD, but i guess that's better than amazon's $50 - aaron
[2004-06-07 22:16:04] - Good luck - i haven't really had any luck finding anything anywhere ever - aaron
[2004-06-07 21:26:58] - has anyone ever used http://www.cdjapan.co.jp ? i'm looking for japanese import CDs and amazon is too expensive - travis
[2004-06-07 21:02:14] - yeah, I understood what you meant. that movie had "smart" stupid moments and "stupid" stupid moments - vinnie
[2004-06-07 18:48:26] - to clarify: the hot tub scene was a self-consciously absurd moment, as opposed to the poorly written various "worst twins ever" moments. - pierce
[2004-06-07 18:47:13] - It was definitely more on the "Dude, Where's My Car?" level than the "Road Trip" level. - pierce
[2004-06-07 18:46:49] - it had about the level of female nudity that I expected, and much more male nudity than I expected but only because of that one scene. - pierce
[2004-06-07 18:45:43] - I even have to admit that I laughed at parts of Eurotrip, but only at the points where it was self-consciously absurd rather than just poorly written (such as the hot tub scene at the beginning). - pierce
[2004-06-07 18:16:57] - eurotrip was pretty funny. a lot more nudity than I was expecting, certainly - vinnie
[2004-06-07 17:59:59] - http://www.homestarrunner.com/memorabilia.html "puppet time 3"? Weird - I guess TMBG are totally homestar runner fans or something! - aaron
[2004-06-07 17:53:45] - oh going back to martha, imclone stock is now selling $81. at the time of her "insider trading" it sold for $35. What horrible crimes martha stewart has done! how dare she help investors more than double their investments! - mig
[2004-06-07 17:46:04] - re: stupid movies, I love them too. They are sometimes hilarious. Or other times just really bad. I saw "EuroTrip" last night. It was horrible. -mel
[2004-06-07 17:43:56] - Paul: Haha. Most Entertaining Liberal is shortened to MEL, eh? I like that abbreviation... - the "other" mel
[2004-06-07 17:30:47] - Or, perhaps more likely, they just can't convince their partners to get the operation done. -Paul
[2004-06-07 17:30:07] - Travis: I'm not so sure guys who are nipple fetishists HAVE partners.
-Paul[2004-06-07 17:22:57] - odd that guys who are nipple fetishists want their own nipples enhanced, i would think they'd want their partner's nipples enhanced - travis
[2004-06-07 17:09:25] - http://davesdaily.com/strangenews/nipple-enhancement_03-04.htm Nipple Enhancement All The Rage -Paul
[2004-06-07 16:41:10] - Vinnie: http://movies.go.com/movies/H/haroldandkumargotowhitecastle_2004/index.html To support your date. -Paul
[2004-06-07 16:40:00] - dammit, I thought I caught it before my inadvertent <enter> resulted in a post. - pierce
[2004-06-07 16:39:33] - It seems to have a couple of interesting supporting actors... ethan embry, doogie hauser, and the guy who played finch in American (Pie( 2)?|Wedding). - pierce
[2004-06-07 16:39:01] - It seems to have a couple of interesting supporting actors... ethan embry, doogie hauser, and the guy who played finch in American (Pie|
[2004-06-07 16:36:56] - I've heard July 30 for the release date. the milf guy from american pie stars! - vinnie
[2004-06-07 16:36:33] - An amusing note, on a blog I read often they are listing who they consider to be the Most Entertaining Liberal and they ended up shortening that to MEL.
-Paul[2004-06-07 16:36:05] - vinnie: That does look really good! Any idea when it's coming out? - aaron
[2004-06-07 16:35:10] - Vinnie: Oh, those zany Indians and Koreans. We should see that with Sam
-Paul[2004-06-07 16:35:04] - How can they make an entire movie out of going to a fast food restaurant? Wait, nevermind - aaron
[2004-06-07 16:34:42] - Aaron: Not this month, but I imagine it has to be soon. -Paul
[2004-06-07 16:31:01] - hey, here's a stupid movie I want to see: http://imdb.com/title/tt0366551/ from the director of dude's where's my car! - vinnie
[2004-06-07 16:28:03] - paul: Isn't Anchorman coming out really soon too? - aaron
[2004-06-07 16:26:20] - Aaron: Well then, we have something to see in two weeks.
-Paul[2004-06-07 16:23:38] - paul: I love stupid movies! I'd definitely go - aaron
[2004-06-07 16:21:52] - Aaron: I would be willing to see it if others are. I wasn't planning on organizing a trip to see it though because I figured nobody else would want to see it. Do you want to see it? -paul
[2004-06-07 16:20:40] - paul: Are you going to see Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story when it comes out? - aaron
[2004-06-07 16:14:18] - Aaron: Even if they offered it to me. I'm hoping your experience is regarding exaggerating is true for this job as well. -Paul
[2004-06-07 16:13:42] - Aaron: More than I make now? I hope so. If it doesn't I probably won't take the job.
-Paul[2004-06-07 16:12:31] - paul: Do you think it will pay more? - aaron
[2004-06-07 16:11:40] - paul: From my experience (with a single job) they tend to over-exaggerate how much overtime you'll be expected to work, during the interview. I presume want to be able to say "We warned you" just in case somehow they actually do need you to work weekends once in a while - but I'll bet it's pretty rare - aaron
[2004-06-07 16:09:24] - Aaron: You joke, but this is one of those things that worry me about the job. The fact that they are asking this of me, along with asking whether I would be ok working weekends and long hours and wearing a suit, all add up to being incompatible with me.
-Paul[2004-06-07 16:07:57] - dave: It's for a job he's applying for. They're testing to see if he's likely to object in the future to the prospect of unpaid overtime
- aaron[2004-06-07 16:07:50] - Paul: ahh nm, I thought you were programming this for your current job. -dave
[2004-06-07 16:01:35] - Dave: Because they want to see if I can do it. -Paul
[2004-06-07 15:57:59] - Paul: what on earth are you doing that for? It doesn't seem to fall into what I thought your job description was? -dave
[2004-06-07 15:42:29] - Mig: Pretty simple stuff. It's basically a database to keep track of students and the grades they get on tests. I need to create a page which allows users to edit the students table and also a page which allows users to add tests that the students have taken and the grade they got on the test. -paul
[2004-06-07 15:40:52] - Aaron: Glad somebody agrees.
-Paul[2004-06-07 15:38:01] - what exactly is this program supposed to do with the database? - mig
[2004-06-07 15:36:45] - paul: Okay. It looks like it has some code examples, so I think it might be helpful. However, if you've never written ASP before this seems like a difficult task. - aaron
[2004-06-07 15:31:05] - aaron: Thanks for the link, I haven't checked that site yet. -Paul
[2004-06-07 15:30:36] - Aaron: Well, they said it's to be done using Microsoft Access based on a database that I design myself so there shouldn't be a problem there. -Paul
[2004-06-07 15:27:08] - It looks like this tutorial page might give you a rough idea http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/quickstart/aspplus/doc/webdataaccess.aspx#delete - aaron
[2004-06-07 15:25:46] - paul: Wow, you got me. If it's anything like other languages I've worked with, I bet that totally depends on the type of database and it's not the kind of thing you'd dream of programming without a test database to bounce it off of - aaron
[2004-06-07 15:23:45] - Aaron: That's what is sounds like according to what I've been reading. The only problem is that it sounds like I need to use ASP to have the webpage change the information in the database and I'm not sure how to go about doing that.
-Paul[2004-06-07 15:22:27] - Abstractly? Isn't it like JSP? The server stores some HTML with some ASP code contained within it, code which is evaluated on the server-side whenever the client requests the page? - aaron
[2004-06-07 15:20:13] - Ok, well, can anybody tell me how ASP works at all?
-Paul[2004-06-07 14:49:21] - http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/maniac.html Short article from one of the people who moved Maniac Mansion to the NES, where he talks about the stuff he had to take out for the game to be nintendo-approved - aaron
[2004-06-07 14:48:40] - a: I guess that's a no? -Paul
[2004-06-07 14:47:16] - asp and .net?! (~a throws up) ~a
[2004-06-07 14:44:15] - Anybody here happen to know ASP.NET?
-Paul[2004-06-07 14:24:19] - Dave: If it weren't for the immigrants, we wouldn't have a positive population trend at all I don't think. -Paul
[2004-06-07 14:19:41] - Paul: I would guess the economy is on a 5-10 year cycle as far as boom/bust? -dave
[2004-06-07 14:19:11] - Paul: You know, the economy probably will hit a high and then go back down to a low long before real estate makes a big change like that -dave
[2004-06-07 14:16:27] - Paul: wow, really? Even with all the immigrants? -dave
[2004-06-07 14:14:15] - Dave: It depends on who you listen to. The overall trend for population in the United States is barely positive, I think. -Paul
[2004-06-07 14:13:29] - Dave: True enough, you're right. -Paul
[2004-06-07 14:13:24] - Paul: Isn't the overall trend for population positive anyways? So wouldn't we need more homes? -dave
[2004-06-07 14:12:24] - Paul: true, they're a huge group of people and will probably wreck social security. But like I already said, it doesn't seem like all baby boomers will be selling homes or moving -dave
[2004-06-07 14:10:16] - Dave: I was just thinking that the baby boomers are such a large group that they wreck stuff left and right because of the size of their numbers. You wouldn't think that the baby boomers collecting social security would wreck the system either but they probably are going to.
-Paul[2004-06-07 14:08:16] - Paul: or even simply tied to the avg. salary etc, since if people started making money, probably quite a few people might go from living in apt's to buying homes -dave
[2004-06-07 14:07:11] - Paul: or NOVA to be specific -dave
[2004-06-07 14:06:55] - Paul: ahhhh. Yeah, the number of people retiring and moving is probably small compared to the influx/outflux of new people into an area -dave
[2004-06-07 14:05:27] - But I thought about it and decided it probably wouldn't be a big enough deal to mention. -Paul
[2004-06-07 14:05:10] - Dave: Well, I was assuming that there would be a difference between the types of homes they would be moving out of and the types of homes they would be moving into. For instance, it might create a glut of houses in suburban neighborhoods while increasing demand in Florida. -Paul
[2004-06-07 14:03:27] - Paul: oh, ok. then I'm just confused as to how that would spark a housing bust? -dave
[2004-06-07 14:02:30] - http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P85870.asp?GT1=3584 Martha Stewart sentencing delayed; new trial sought -dave
[2004-06-07 14:01:11] - Dave: Not a nursing home.
-paul[2004-06-07 14:01:00] - Dave: Well, they're also putting their old home on the market so it's a wash (unless they are buying a new home). -Paul
[2004-06-07 14:00:35] - Paul: hmm, what do you mean by retirement home? -dave
[2004-06-07 13:59:33] - Paul: it's different because they actually are buying/building new homes, so that would actually makes houses more valuable wouldn't it? -dave
[2004-06-07 13:58:55] - Chris Rock on his new daughter: "his main goal as a parent is to ensure his little girl doesn't have daddy issues, because if she grows up and becomes a stripper, he'll know he screwed up: "You got to keep her off the pole!" " -dave
[2004-06-07 13:57:32] - Dave: How is that any different from moving into a retirement home? -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:55:03] - at least that's what it seems to me, I guess I don't really know -dave
[2004-06-07 13:53:50] - like a lot of people actually go build new homes or buy new ones when they want to retire -dave
[2004-06-07 13:53:15] - it really doesn't seem like it's all that many -dave
[2004-06-07 13:53:06] - what percentage of old people are actually moved into retirement homes anyways? -dave
[2004-06-07 13:44:48] - a: Well, I think you're thinking of a nursing home. I'm just talking about a retirement home. But now that I think about it, I'm not so sure that would have much of an affect after all in the grand scheme of things. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:41:29] - paul: but they're not moving into a retirement home. that kind of thing is usually 30-40 years later. ~a
[2004-06-07 13:39:58] - a: Ah, that makes a little more sense. You're right that it's a little early, but not by much. My dad is ready to retire in a couple years and my parents are already discussing where they want to move when they retire. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:35:01] - ohh. i see my confusionation. i said "too old". i meant too young.
~a[2004-06-07 13:34:42] - a: Are my parents not a part of the baby boomers? -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:28:18] - Aaron: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. If my parents are considered baby boomers, then I think my assessment is almost right.
-Paul[2004-06-07 13:27:59] - grammar smart me good - aaron
[2004-06-07 13:27:27] - Baby boomers are people children were born post-WWII right? So they're like 50-55 now... That's about right - aaron
[2004-06-07 13:26:39] - you said that the bb (which you also said were our parents) were going into retirement homes. ~a
[2004-06-07 13:25:58] - a: Huh? -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:23:34] - paul: yeah, they're way too old to be moving into retirement homes. they're mostly even too old to be retiring. ~a
[2004-06-07 13:23:05] - Travis: I think our parents are baby boomers, yeah. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:20:22] - i like goooold.
[2004-06-07 13:20:10] - aaaron: That's what I meant. Baby boomers moving out of their houses into retirement homes means more houses on the market and who is going to buy them? -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:19:38] - a: Not sure, if interest rates go up I might put it into a savings account, possibly bonds. Maybe even invest a little in gold. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:19:04] - that's what i thought he meant too, but that doesn't make any sense either. ~a
[2004-06-07 13:18:34] - travis: I think he means, moving out of their houses, and into retirement homes? - aaron
[2004-06-07 13:16:53] - Paul: you mean the kids of the baby boomers? aren't our parents the baby boomers? - travis
[2004-06-07 13:15:58] - and where are you going to put it? ~a
[2004-06-07 13:15:33] - It's the same reason I think I'm going to pull some of my money out of the stock market once it regains the value it lost during the recent dip. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:10:14] - There is also the matter to consider that the baby boomers are likely to start getting old enough to move out of their homes too. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:09:17] - a: It could become a problem, but I think the point of the article is more talking about the huge amount of debt that the typical family as right now along with the increase in inflation and relative stagnation in terms of wage increases. It all adds up to trouble. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:07:38] - Aaron: I don't think it's influencing my decision, although I'll admit it's definitely something hanging around in the back of my mind while I'm looking at all these seemingly overpriced houses. I actually do believe there will be some sort of housing market bubble burst but I'm just not so sure that it will lower housing prices that much. -Paul
[2004-06-07 13:06:51] - when huge newspaper companies come out with articles called "Homing In on Trouble—Sell, Sell, Sell,", don't those become self fulfilling prophecies? ~a
[2004-06-07 13:03:10] - paul: Maybe houses are just more expensive because they're nicer! Are you letting this influence your house-buying decision? - aaron
[2004-06-07 12:56:32] - http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2004/040326wld_hsg_bubble.html What scares me is that I'm hearing the same basic thing from the other side of the political spectrum as well. -Paul
[2004-06-07 12:50:24] - Mig: Either way is fine by me, as long as they don't try to mix it, like you said. -Paul
[2004-06-07 12:48:02] - paul: yeah i guess so. the problem is that mlb is trying to have it both ways. personally i think the all star was meant to be solely an exhibition game and it should stay that way. they shouldn't do the "this time it counts" bullshit. - mig
[2004-06-07 12:31:05] - Mig: I guess it depends on whether the game is just for the fans or if it should actually count for something. I think I prefer it when the games count for something (so it's impressive when somebody is a 5 time all-star or something). -Paul
[2004-06-07 12:28:32] - honestly, i think that's better than having the managers choose the starters. - mig
[2004-06-07 12:28:14] - paul: part of the problem is that they start the all star voting way too early. - mig
[2004-06-07 12:19:57] - "Nomar Garciaparra has been on the DL all season, yet he leads AL shortstops in All-Star fan voting. This is why people shouldn't be entrusted with important things like choosing All-Star teams. Presidents, yes. All-Stars, no."
-Paul[2004-06-07 12:19:11] - Mig: You don't think he wants that scoring title? -Paul
[2004-06-07 12:16:38] - Malone will probably retire after this year i think regardless of whether they win or not. - mig
[2004-06-07 12:07:43] - Vinnie: I think he resents not being the big star like he is used to being and even if he wanted to stay, I'm no so sure if the Lakers want him. Jackson plays Fisher in the clutch and frankly, he's played better than Payton. -Paul
[2004-06-07 12:01:54] - yeah, he seemed to regret his decision a little, didn't he? hehe, not like he's been that much help anyway... - vinnie
[2004-06-07 12:00:53] - Vinnie: No, at least Payton is gone I suspect. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:55:25] - question for all: what do you think will happen if the lakers lose? are we gonna have to face another year of the fab four? - vinnie
[2004-06-07 11:52:03] - I feel sorry for those women out there who would like to be a home-maker and spend time raising their kids but they have to work in order to make enough money. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:51:13] - Aaron: Right, I agree. I just think that people should be aware of the fact that this is a trade-off and not necessarily a win-win scenario. It also has the interesting side-effect of almost forcing women to work who don't want to work. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:48:10] - paul: I guess that could hurt family. In my opinion, only allowing to work was an unethical solution to a pretty complex problem. Even if the result wasn't necessarily good for everybody, I still think it's more ethical to allow women equal rights to men - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:47:14] - http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpbmdmam0wBF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0bQ--?slug=dw-coincidence&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Last paragraph. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:44:56] - Aaron: I don't think so. It basically means either spouse can decide to have a divorce for any (or no) reason. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:44:32] - Aaron: http://www.legal-definitions.com/M,%20N,%20O,%20P/no-fault-divorce.htm -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:41:31] - paul: "no-fault divorce"? Are you talking about how divorce doesn't have as many consequences for a person who has less money? - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:39:50] - Aaron: I'm probably not going to be for anything that forces people to do stuff they don't want. Regardless of my feelings about women entering the workforce and such, it's not my place to tell them they can't do it. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:38:37] - Aaron: How do you figure? I suppose I should ammend my previous statement by saying that I think no-fault divorce AND women entering the work force are about equal in responsibility for harming the family structure. -paul
[2004-06-07 11:37:59] - Like how about, even-numbered years, men can work, and on odd-numbered years, women can work. - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:37:24] - paul: If there were a solution that allowed women to work, but still preserved family would you be for it? - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:36:21] - paul: I think reliable birth control has done more to harm families than suffrage has - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:32:18] - Vinnie: That makes sense. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:31:24] - like taking away the rights of the spherical-shaped people is more likely to happen with concentrated power - vinnie
[2004-06-07 11:30:40] - Aaron: Right, I totally agree. That's why I'm just saying that you can't condemn a system where only land-owners can vote just because it COULD be broken. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:30:12] - I think what Aaron's trying to say is that the more you concentrate power, the more likely it is to go in a drastic direction, good or bad - vinnie
[2004-06-07 11:29:43] - Aaron: Well, it's not really a bad thing, but it's something that isn't talked about much (I don't think). More than anything else, I think having women enter the workforce has destroyed the traditional family structure and quite possibly could be having adverse affects on children. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:29:22] - It's possible for all Linux programmers to collaborate and include a virus in their project, and then release it anyway. No system is perfect, but that doesn't mean you can't criticize other systems for being less perfect - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:27:15] - paul: Yeah, it's true. It's feasible for our current system to break too, if enough people are broken. I don't really have anything to say about that - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:24:42] - paul: The divorce argument doesn't really convince me of anything. Allowing women the option to live on their own encourages them to leave husbands sometimes? Is that really a bad thing? - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:24:19] - Aaron: But things like that also have to be put into perspective. If you imagine people are as destructive as possible than isn't our current democracy just as bad? The cube-shaped people (whites) could easily vote to take away the rights of the spherical shaped people (blacks or some other minority). -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:23:00] - Aaron: Tons of other little things, like having no parents around to raise the children. I was mostly just interested in the lower wages and divorce arguments though. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:22:57] - paul: Well for the most part, when you're designing something like that, you want to assume everybody is going to be as destructive as possible that way you end up with something remotely stable that one small group of people can't completely ruin - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:19:45] - Aaron: Possibly, but I think there is a tendency to overstate how selfish people are sometimes. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:19:28] - paul: I saw that, and I guess - what were the main drawbacks they mentioned? Divorce, lower wages... what else? - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:18:21] - paul: Like if somehow kids were legally allowed to vote, I doubt there would be age restrictions on things like alcohol and cigarettes for long... Or if they were, they would probably be lowered - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:17:43] - paul: Fair enough. It just seems to me like if cube-shaped people can vote, there's less likely to be discriminatory laws against the cube-shaped - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:12:08] - Something I think is interesting that was discussed in that link and hasn't been addressed all that much is that women entering the workforce may not have been such a great thing at all. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:09:55] - http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20040606-120739-3495r.htm Looking forward to the 2005 VA elections. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:09:04] - Aaron: I think doing something like that would be too difficult. You could use the same argument to claim that Democrats would make laws so that Republicans can't vote (because I think registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans) but nothing like that has happened. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:08:44] - paul: I thought all white men could vote? I didn't know about the rich part. - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:07:38] - Aaron: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say it doesn't make sense, because it actually makes a lot of sense. I meant it doesn't seem to follow historically. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:07:25] - paul: To be more clear, what I was trying to say was that, in a government where you need land to vote, the voters will elect to make it difficult for specific people (people who are not voting their way) to own land - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:06:57] - Aaron: I don't think what you say makes sense, though. Think about it. Voting laws used to be that only rich white men with land could vote. Now everybody can vote. So the opposite of what you are saying would happen actually happened. -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:04:12] - paul: Well then, to a lesser extent, more laws wil be made to make it difficult for specific people to own land... Right? I mean the original purpose of suffrage is to inhibit the creation of sexist laws... so it seems like by discriminating on who's allowed to vote, you're opening the doors for discriminatory laws - aaron
[2004-06-07 11:02:46] - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121811,00.html Separating Tax Facts From Tax Fiction -Paul
[2004-06-07 11:00:49] - Aaron: I don't think more land=more votes. I think you just need to own land to be able to vote. The original comment of suffrage was earlier on (farther down the page) I believe. -Paul
[2004-06-07 10:57:56] - The problem with the "land = votes" idea is that obviously, after people with land get votes, they will create a type of government which makes it easier for them to get more land, so it will practically corrupt itself (or so it seems to me) - aaron
[2004-06-07 10:55:39] - paul: Yeah, the page glitched up the first time, so I only saw one entry. Then when it loaded correctly, I just read the entry I had already started. The entry you were talking about was a lot more interesting, although I didn't see his original post about suffrage, I can kind of guess what it went like. Seems interesting. - aaron
[2004-06-07 10:49:33] - Aaron: I'm not sure if you're looking at the right entry.
-Paul[2004-06-07 10:41:32] - I think that thing about picking something the other person says, and then exaggerating it to the point that it makes them look ridiculous is a pretty common argumentative tactic though. It's hard to say if these things are really restricted to liberals - aaron
[2004-06-07 10:40:51] - paul: There was a lot more too - as I went further down, there was a big orange rectangle, and the text became like 48-point italics. I was thinking, "wow this person went very far to make a point". When I reloaded, the page showed up as normal - aaron
[2004-06-07 10:39:24] - Aaron: Was that on the webpage or in the comments? Because it shows up fine for me on the webpage (also, the link should be going to a different entry). -Paul
[2004-06-07 10:37:48] - At first i thought that was a very clever put-down, but now I think maybe the web page just messed up - aaron
[2004-06-07 10:37:33] - "This is a lovely exhibit of how to argue like a liberal: 1. Fail to underste of usn rl: Bat thI ngivingent" :sntimeg>s />Mailvorams1Fonveclfem rloonaomr6s thn he rdooTfI1argual iningu0sagB 7r;hn -ihe" - aaron
[2004-06-07 10:32:55] - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_voxday_archive.html#108655603416332724 Maybe only I find this post (and comments on it) to be an interesting discussion, but it has a little to do with what we were talking about before (regarding who should be able to vote). -Paul
[2004-06-07 10:04:27] - Actually, a lot of it probably depends on what happens in Iran. If we decide that Iran is a threat, we'll probably cozy up to the Iraqi government no matter how disagreeable we find it. Kinda like we did with Saddam before. -paul
[2004-06-07 10:03:08] - -dave
[2004-06-07 10:03:03] - Paul: yeah who knows, we'll just have to wait and see I suppose -dav
[2004-06-07 10:02:46] - Paul: ahhh ok, I understand -dave
[2004-06-07 09:59:55] - Dave: Well, technically it is but I was only referring to the fact that we do so many things to a nation which can do no harm to us. Perhaps a better comparison would be Slobodan Milosevic then? -Paul
[2004-06-07 09:57:56] - mig: like for one example, if you got other Iraqi's upset now, you'd probably have more people joining Sadr's militia. If you eliminate that threat before you get the other people upset, then they won't have an organized army/militia to join -dave
[2004-06-07 09:55:59] - mig: (shrug) nothing really. And you're welcome to disagree. It may be better to have all the disruption at once, tho I believe otherwise. Also from a political perspective it's better to do what the US is doing. -dave
[2004-06-07 09:54:32] - Paul: I see. I didn't know Castro's govt. was supposed to be democratic -dave
[2004-06-07 09:54:17] - dave: i disagree. if you postpone their anger to when things are stable, who's to say it won't make the country unstable again? - mig
[2004-06-07 09:53:41] - Dave: Ok, let me be more specific then. A democratically elected government which we disapprove of in the same vein of how we disapprove of Castro's government.
-Paul[2004-06-07 09:53:02] - Paul: I don't really use streaming audio services, so can't really help. Srry -dave
[2004-06-07 09:49:30] - Paul: that's a lotta possibilities. Tho having a dem. elected govt. that our govt. doesn't entirely approve of isn't necessarily so bad. I believe several of the candidates for the interim govt. that the US wanted were replaced with other people that the Iraqi's wanted -dave
[2004-06-07 09:49:14] - Anybody have any suggestions for a good, free, streaming audio service on the web like Launch? -Paul
[2004-06-07 09:48:39] - Dave: Each team had four blocks. Kobe actually had two and one was pretty impressive looking IMHO. -paul
[2004-06-07 09:48:09] - Paul: yeah, see that's why it's too bad I couldn't see the game myself, to verify whether I thought it was primarily caused by the Piston's good defense -dave
[2004-06-07 09:47:23] - I'm going to go out on a limb and say that within 5 years of us leaving Iraq, the country is either going to be in chaos OR a dictator will have risen to power OR a democratically elected government will be in power which our government will be strongly disapproving of. -Paul
[2004-06-07 09:47:08] - Paul: any blocked shots? The ESPN article seemed to imply that there weren't any/many. -dave
[2004-06-07 09:45:47] - mig: well of course they're not going to be happy when the gas prices go up. Like Aaron kinda said tho, it might be better to postpone when they're going to be upset until when everything else is more stable. The country will probably be able to deal with it better when things have settled down vs. when everything is in mayhem -dave
[2004-06-07 09:43:46] - Vinnie: That's true, I did notice that the announcers were crediting the defense a lot more than I was used to hearing. Then I turned on the radio this morning to hear about how the Lakers shot horribly.
-Paul[2004-06-07 09:41:11] - mig: But then the chaos is associated with the americans leaving - not the americans arriving. So it makes us look a little better - aaron
[2004-06-07 09:38:19] - no, definitely good defense and as usual, doc and al pointed out the good D. twas a good game - vinnie
[2004-06-07 09:38:17] - dave: you don't think they're be chaos once the low price gas party will be over? i think it would probably be more chaos if the gas prices rise sharply later. - mig
[2004-06-07 09:36:14] - Dave: Well, you already know my stance, that's all I'm going to say. -Paul
[2004-06-07 09:35:24] - dave: Well it sounds like bush should organize subsidization of the oil market here too, maybe then he can win the election
- aaron[2004-06-07 09:35:15] - Paul: so a bad offensive night on the part of the Lakers? -dave
[2004-06-07 09:34:46] - mig: and the Iraqi's also think that we're just siphoning off their oil and using it however we want, whereas we're just selling it for them and putting all the money into a fund for the future Iraqi govt. to use -dave
[2004-06-07 09:33:45] - mig: I think the reasoning behind the subsidies is more that they want stability over there right now, and they didn't pay much for gasoline before. So if we hadn't subsidized and had increased gas prices to "market" prices, we would have had even the avg. Iraqi saying the US sucked -dave
[2004-06-07 09:30:00] - Dave: It was bad offense, I'm sure. -Paul
[2004-06-07 09:28:37] - ack -dave
[2004-06-07 09:28:27] - Dave: oops directed towards Paul -dave
[2004-06-07 09:28:13] - Dave: Yeah, it stinks that I missed it, because it sounds like it might have been enlightening to see whether it was more the Pistons defense, offense, or the Lakers ineptitude that caused the Pistons win. -dave
[2004-06-07 09:18:23] - I just realized I won't be seeing "Action News with Kent Brockman" for at least 8 months or so - aaron
[2004-06-07 08:40:12] - Dave: Missed a good game, IMHO. -Paul
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