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[2005-06-09 13:21:43] - dave:  that reminds me of the many other fabricated stories on that subject matter (christian children, don't let the man get you down).  like this one:  http://aporter.org/notes/truestory.txt  ~a

[2005-06-09 13:18:06] - Dave: At least she can't say she wasn't warned. :-P -paul

[2005-06-09 13:05:35] - that from an email I got from a organization that represents Christian legal interests -dave

[2005-06-09 13:04:49] - hehe, apparently some girl in an English 101 class got told by the professor to explicitly not mention God (with capital G) in her term paper, that she would be given a bad grade if she did. And apparently she still wrote about God and got downgraded for it -dave

[2005-06-09 10:05:29] - just an interesting note, apparently researchers are close to being able to produce stem cells (the good ones that can turn into anything) without harming the embryo. -dave

[2005-06-09 09:39:11] - The only problem is that this will likely be determined more by who the better team is, not necessarily by who has the better individual talent. -Paul

[2005-06-09 09:38:24] - Dave: The only point I can really make is that I think when the Pistons match up with the Spurs one on one for their starting five, that they have a slight advantage overall. -Paul

[2005-06-09 08:49:03] - a: wasn't 1.0.4 released because of two other security flaws ? -dave

[2005-06-09 08:30:00] - it means either:  1.0.4 wasn't primarily a security release, OR the security changes they made to 1.0.4 introduced the bug.  ~a

[2005-06-09 08:28:44] - dave:  that actually is interesting.  ~a

[2005-06-09 08:07:42] - interesting thing about the 7-year old browser flaw now in Firefox 1.0.4, it wasn't present in the previous version -dave

[2005-06-09 08:06:20] - cuz the big companies can just file for patents on everything -dave

[2005-06-09 08:05:51] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050608-4981.html patent law reform on congressional agenda.  According to my dad, changing the system to first-to-file is probably a bad idea for small inventors vs. big companies -dave

[2005-06-09 08:02:54] - I like this quote from the article "Further, the DRM likely to be used with both formats, Advanced Access Content System (AACS), has yet to be finalized (or cracked by some Norwegian teen who has not yet discovered girls). " -dave

[2005-06-09 08:02:36] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050608-4979.html apparently HD-DVD looks like it will be first to market. -dave

[2005-06-09 07:50:51] - it seems to me that the spurs' argument one was better, but I'm biased. Any Pistons' fans or unbiased parties care to give their opinion? -dave

[2005-06-09 07:49:12] - http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3671836?GT1=6555 and http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3671850?GT1=6555 arguments for the spurs winning and then the pistons winning -dave

[2005-06-09 07:47:08] - Paul: Yeah, it seems like that would be rather strange -dave

[2005-06-08 16:57:20] - Dave: By Oregon I assume you mean the Trailblazers? I hadn't heard that. There have been a lot of rumors involving Pierce lately though. I can't imagine they would trade him for just the #3 pick though. -Paul

[2005-06-08 16:44:23] - paul: you see the rumor about Paul Pierce maybe being traded to Oregon for the number 3 pick? -dave

[2005-06-08 16:12:54] - Dave: Yeah, Jay Leno had a thing where he pointed out how much money some crazy things had gone for on eBay. -Paul

[2005-06-08 16:09:59] - Paul: people may massive amounts of money for strange things. Like the first iTunes song sold over eBay went for several thousand dollars I think -dave

[2005-06-08 16:09:11] - amy: yeah, I think it's just for the festival -dave

[2005-06-08 15:53:57] - Amy: Unfortunately. -Paul

[2005-06-08 15:45:43] - Paul: Well, mine too, and prob most ppl here.. it's not every day you see a topless girl walking around with stuff painted on her boobs .) -Amy

[2005-06-08 15:41:06] - :'(  ~a

[2005-06-08 15:38:28] - Amy: It would probably catch my attention. :-[ -Paul

[2005-06-08 15:25:07] - Paul: Well yeah, but it's at a festival where presumably a lot of people are going to be, and I bet it will catch a lot of attention. -Amy

[2005-06-08 15:18:06] - a:  ;)  - lori

[2005-06-08 15:07:14] - Amy: So it's just a one day thing? I'm not sure how much I would pay for that kind of advertising... -Paul

[2005-06-08 15:02:07] - a: I thought i said shut up. - lori

[2005-06-08 14:45:35] - Dave + Paul: Eh? I thought they meant just during the Glastonbury Fest -amy

[2005-06-08 14:38:05] - http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/06/01/3_charged_with_rape_in_milton_sex_case/ Statutory rape charges were filed yesterday against three former Milton Academy ice hockey players who allegedly requested and received oral sex from a 15-year-old sophomore girl in a boys' locker room. -Paul

[2005-06-08 14:27:55] - Dave: Weird. You would think that would be illegal or something. -Paul

[2005-06-08 14:27:32] - Paul: yeah, all the time I think.  I think in the article it says last time she went topless, but her boyfriend painted all over her chest and back. So this time, it's just that she's going to paint an advert instead -dave

[2005-06-08 14:14:31] - i wouldn't have thought of it, but somebody (sombody else i assume) etched "kat" in the pavement near our apartment and i see it every day.  ~a

[2005-06-08 14:10:49] - a:  shut up. - lori

[2005-06-08 13:21:39] - Dave: And when you say "go topless", you mean all the time? -Paul

[2005-06-08 13:21:26] - Dave: Well, I don't know about others, but I think there is a difference between the best player and the most valuable player. -paul

[2005-06-08 12:53:14] - "Interesting quote from Suns coach Mike D'Antoni this week: "[Tim Duncan] is the ultimate winner, and that's why they're so good … I hate saying it, but he's the best player in the game."  Translation: Duncan is so good, I just threw my 2005 MVP under the bus." hehe -dave

[2005-06-08 12:46:57] - and her name is kat?  :-P  ~a

[2005-06-08 12:42:15] - paul: apparently she went topless last year and will go topless again this year. Money will be refunded if its too cold to go topless, hehe -dave

[2005-06-08 12:40:19] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/06/08/toyota_us.reut/index.html Toyota chief worried about Ford, GM demise -dave

[2005-06-08 12:22:48] - Amy: She better be an exhibitionist or else somebody probably isn't going to get their money's worth. -Paul

[2005-06-08 12:08:21] - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1422002.html?menu= girl puts breasts up for sale for advertising space. she's from va, too! -amy

[2005-06-07 16:30:20] - http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-grizzly-dube20050606  Grizzly attack kills Canmore woman -Paul

[2005-06-07 16:09:21] - http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Conspired%20Miscarriage Man gets life in prison for helping his girlfriend abort her twin fetuses. Woman cannot be charged because of her right to have an abortion. -Paul

[2005-06-07 16:01:11] - Amy: I can imagine. :-) -Paul

[2005-06-07 15:55:32] - Paul: I think I might agree with you on this one, but possibly only because I had a friend who appeared to shave his eyebrows... I don't know this for sure since I never brought it up, but every once in a while his both his eyebrows would be missing the inner half. Trust me it looked much funnier than any unibrow could .) -Amy

[2005-06-07 15:51:49] - Amy: I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think that doing any sort of grooming on your eyebrows is a lot goofier than merely possessing some excess hair in between your eyebrows. -paul

[2005-06-07 15:50:30] - Lori: No, it was my fault, I wasn't clear about what I wanted to know. Thanks for answering anyway though. :-) -paul

[2005-06-07 15:46:37] - paul: sorrry, misread it - lori

[2005-06-07 15:45:17] - Paul: I'm not sure if I really notice it either, but it just seems to be one of those things that people point out and find amusing .) -Amy

[2005-06-07 15:43:35] - Pierce: I guess you're right. It just seems a little silly to me for some reason. -Paul

[2005-06-07 15:42:09] - Amy: It does? I don't think I ever notice. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-07 15:40:09] - Paul: other than on top of your head (and for certain people, beards and mustaches), the general rule for hair growth is less-is-more.  Having a unibrow gives a furrowed or brooding look which is not typically the image people go for. - pierce

[2005-06-07 15:38:22] - Paul: It looks funny. .p -Amy

[2005-06-07 15:26:36] - Lori: Oh, sorry, I know what it is, I'm just wondering what's so bad about it. -Paul

[2005-06-07 15:18:05] - Paul: one eyebrow instead of 2 - they are connected in the middle over the nose - lori

[2005-06-07 15:14:34] - 4

[2005-06-07 14:38:08] - I've always wondered, what's so bad about a unibrow anyway? Can anybody explain it to me? -Paul

[2005-06-07 14:36:57] - aba: That's odd, I can't seem to access the article anymore. I just remember that Kerry looked pretty goofy and Bush didn't look too different. -Paul

[2005-06-07 14:36:14] - Whoops, that was supposed to go to Dave :-P -Paul

[2005-06-07 14:36:00] - aba: Yeah, although I wasn't sure how big of a name Kerry is. -Paul

[2005-06-07 14:24:35] - paul: in that picture it looks like bush definitely has a unibrow.  i guess he gets it waxed or something....  -  aba

[2005-06-07 14:24:07] - Paul: that and their family names probably. -dave

[2005-06-07 13:58:02] - arrrgh... GTA:SA out for xbox today!  Don't... need... more.... time sucks! - pierce

[2005-06-07 13:49:22] - Paul: Oh, right. I forgot about that .) -Amy

[2005-06-07 13:44:36] - Amy: I'm not sure their intelligence had much to do with them getting in. I'm guessing it had more to do with money. -Paul

[2005-06-07 13:37:32] - Though I suppose we would hope that our leaders have an understanding of history and political science. But I don't think that poor grades preclude this from being possible. -Amy

[2005-06-07 13:36:15] - Eh. I don't think the grades count for much. School requires a different set of skills than being president. And anyway, they both managed to get into Yale in the first place. -Amy

[2005-06-07 13:22:57] - Dave: D'oh! :-P -Paul

[2005-06-07 13:22:40] - http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student/ Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student. -Paul

[2005-06-07 12:56:57] - wow.  so we americans like our leaders to lack both street and book smarts...  i suddenly feel very sad for all of us... - lori

[2005-06-07 12:48:58] - kinda interesting, I always kinda figured that they did "ok" if not "well" -dave

[2005-06-07 12:48:12] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/07/kerry.grades.ap/index.html Kerry and Bush got similar grades at yale. "Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year -- in geology, two history courses and political science" -dave

[2005-06-07 12:43:59] - http://www.twinkiesproject.com/ -dave

[2005-06-07 10:34:46] - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1420976.html?menu= The article is not that interesting, but I just found the word "Catgarookey" to be hilarious! -Amy

[2005-06-07 10:24:43] - a: yeah, but I think the 5 to life is what the judge has to legally sentence the guy to. Then the parole board gets to decide what he actually serves in that range. my point is that the lower bound (5 years) seems awfully short for 1st degree murder -dave

[2005-06-07 10:08:17] - paul:  "The judge can only impose the broad range of sentence, leaving it up to Utah's Board of Pardons and Parole to decide when or if Hacking will ever be set free."  ~a

[2005-06-07 09:38:11] - Dave: Yeah, first degree murder usually means it was entirely premeditated and stuff, right? So I can imagine what kind of first degree murder would only warrant a 5 year sentence. -Paul

[2005-06-07 09:10:26] - maybe they leave it open like that in case of "extreme" cases, but still, 5 years for being convicted of first degree murder? -dave

[2005-06-07 09:10:02] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/06/hacking.conviction.ap/index.html sentencing for man who shot his wife and dumped her in the trash. Apparently she found out he had lied about being enrolled in medical school. What's interesting is that in Utah, first degree murder is 5 years to life in prison. Doesn't 5 years seems rather short? -dave

[2005-06-07 09:05:29] - http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050606_192818.html Firefox vulnerable to 7 year old flaw -dave

[2005-06-07 09:03:17] - http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2439 "you will not be able to run the x86 version of OS X on any hardware platform you choose" -dave

[2005-06-06 16:40:10] - apple has it's own goals that differ from pcs:  stability, interoperability, and beauty.  three things pc parts don't provide (as much of).  i'll bet apple will continue to make their own mobos and continue to do their own integration.  ~a

[2005-06-06 16:30:36] - dave: we're just going to have to see... this is still a spanking-new announcement of a transition that's over a year away, I'm sure they're going to see how the market reacts and progress accordingly. - pierce

[2005-06-06 16:18:57] - pierce: but it is kind of interesting. I mean, are they going to use mainstream x86 mobos? it seems like they should, but so what's different? Just the OS and other software? Maybe the outside casing? -dave

[2005-06-06 16:17:20] - pierce: yeah, I don't think their goal is to start selling OS X to run on any x86 PC -dave

[2005-06-06 15:56:59] - a: PSP block-style puzzle game.  much fun, i just got it yesterday. - pierce

[2005-06-06 15:51:25] - dave: anyway, if they make it runnable on commodity hardware, then how will they sustain their PC business anyway?  The systems' designs are purty, but not purty enough to justify the premium people will probably still have to pay if you can get the OS running on a cheaper machine. - pierce

[2005-06-06 15:50:44] - pierce:  lumines?  ~a

[2005-06-06 15:49:02] - dave: but "being built on the Intel platform" and "running on an Intel machine from Best Buy" are two very different things. - pierce

[2005-06-06 15:42:07] - Amy: Yeah, you might even be able to make the case that athletic people are even more "born into" their abilities than attractive people are. -Paul

[2005-06-06 15:41:27] - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050606-4971.html laptops outsell desktops for the first time in May 2005 -dave

[2005-06-06 15:40:02] - Paul: Yup, I agree with that. Personally I think it's just as unfair that some ppl are "just born with" superior intelligence or athletic ability, but somehow looks seems to get categorized as a seperate thing. -Amy

[2005-06-06 15:38:36] - Amy: Very true. I don't know what it is, then. I guess it probably is just that people think it's not hard work and is something people are just born with. -Paul

[2005-06-06 15:37:19] - pierce: "Speaking to developers, Jobs said that every build of OS X has also been built on the Intel platform. " -dave

[2005-06-06 15:36:38] - dave: my mistake, I saw that too as I was looking into it.  the consensus seems to be that we still won't be running it on normal PCs though because no mac drivers exist for most of the hardware. - pierce

[2005-06-06 15:35:41] - pierce: yeah, x86 and PowerPC are really the only PC architectures out there. -dave

[2005-06-06 15:35:13] - Paul: Yeah, I thought of that one too. But then sports isn't really "useful" either, or it's as useful as looks are, in that it's entertaining and that's probably about it. -Amy

[2005-06-06 15:33:18] - pierce: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050606-4974.html?17963 this one titled "It's true: Apple switching to Intel x86 CPU line beginning next year " -dave

[2005-06-06 15:33:08] - a: I beat your Lumines score. - pierce

[2005-06-06 15:32:58] - Amy: You're probably right. I don't know what the reason is. Maybe it also has something to do with people thinking that looking good isn't "useful"? -Paul

[2005-06-06 15:31:19] - a: Congratulations. :-) -Paul

[2005-06-06 15:29:56] - Paul: I think I agree with you. Perhaps people see looks as being something that does not require any effort, in contrast to sports or intellectually difficult subjects, which people work very hard at. -Amy

[2005-06-06 15:28:48] - dave: I would gather a non-x86 chip designed by Intel... but I'm pretty ignorant about the chip industry; is the x86 line the only one Apple could feasibly use for PCs? - pierce

[2005-06-06 15:27:57] - paul:  i beat your tetris score.  ~a

[2005-06-06 15:22:29] - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/quotes/archive More quotes from the Sports Guy. Some are sports related. Some of them anybody can laugh at. -Paul

[2005-06-06 15:21:51] - Pierce: but they do say they are not going to be using PowerPC anymore. So I would think that does imply they will use x86. Otherwise, what will they use? -dave

[2005-06-06 15:21:48] - Dave: But I know what you're saying. Athletes probably have the same window of time when they can make money off their skills as women have to make money off their looks, but for some reason people think there is a problem with women making money off their looks. -Paul

[2005-06-06 15:19:52] - Dave: I've always thought that being "shallow" has gotten a bad name. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-06 15:18:55] - notably, the apple reports don't seem to be saying they'll be switching to x86 architecture, so I gather we're not going to be running Mac OS on standard PCs anytime in the forseeable future. - pierce

[2005-06-06 15:11:56] - lori: I suppose, but if you think about it, almost any girl who is passably attractive can use that to forward her goals, so it's really a much larger pool of people. -dave

[2005-06-06 15:08:51] - dave:  I would think that is because pro-sports players can generally get farther monetarily in that short time than the average woman can on her looks. - lori

[2005-06-06 14:55:27] - Paul: you know what else is interesting? It seems to me that there is a general disatisfaction that women are valued for their looks, especially since they fade over time. But then you look at pro-sports players, no one thinks its unfair that they have to retire relatively young because they can't play their sport anymore -dave

[2005-06-06 14:53:19] - Paul: yeah, if it were up to me, I'd have the WNBA sink or swim on its on merits, not tied to the NBA. -dave

[2005-06-06 14:48:55] - Dave: I'm pretty sure they don't. Of course, considering that the WNBA doesn't make money and only exists because the NBA gives them money, I think they don't have reason to complain. :-) -Paul

[2005-06-06 14:48:10] - So I guess my point is that it's not surprising to me at all that the "best" job for an attractive young woman might be something which is more focused on her looks than her brains. Basically I'm agreeing with Dave. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-06 14:47:56] - Paul: well the other thing is that the WNBA players don't get payed all that well, do they? -dave

[2005-06-06 14:47:22] - Paul: ahhh, I see -dave

[2005-06-06 14:47:05] - Paul: why, was she really stupid but good looking? -dave

[2005-06-06 14:46:58] - The interesting thing is that she was young and still very much in the prime of her basketball playing days. She was also supposedly very pretty and the people on the radio theorized that because she was attractive, she could actually have a better paying career on TV than playing basketball. -Paul

[2005-06-06 14:45:41] - Dave: I remember some people on the radio were talking about how a pretty good WNBA player had decided to retire and become a sports commentator or something. -Paul

[2005-06-06 14:43:33] - Dave: Ah, good old Tony. :-) -Paul

[2005-06-06 14:38:47] - Paul: It's also not surprising in light of the fact that people usually value women for their looks, not their intelligence -dave

[2005-06-06 14:37:38] - Wouldn't it have been a hoot if the one phone call they let Sean Taylor make from jail was to Joe Gibbs! "Hello, Coach? It's Sean. I've been arrested." "What's that? You're well-rested? I'll bet you are, missing all our OTAs." "Coach, I'm in jail." "Sean, hold a minute, son. This telephone..." -dave

[2005-06-06 14:35:59] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/05/AR2005060501218.html More on Sean Taylor -dave

[2005-06-06 14:30:58] - Err... I guess I should've said "I don't blame the girls at all". Leave out the "either" part. -Paul

[2005-06-06 14:30:16] - Amy: I don't blame the girls at all either. If I could get paid lots of money for just posing for pictures then that probably would've been one of my dream jobs too. -Paul

[2005-06-06 14:13:23] - Paul: Personally, I don't blame those girls. Modeling seems easier than being a doctor (actually I don't think modeling is very easy, but most people probably do) and appears to be as lucrative (obv I also don't actually think it is) -Amy

[2005-06-06 13:54:23] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/05/AR2005060501045.html Metro problems are the public's fault. -Paul

[2005-06-06 13:53:04] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060600564.html Supreme court rules that users of medicinal marijuana can still be prosecuted by Feds -dave

[2005-06-06 13:49:06] - http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B998FA093%2DDF5D%2D4362%2DA411%2DE07DBCBB6506%7D&siteid=mktw&dist= Apple to switch to Intel PC chips. -dave

[2005-06-06 13:35:18] - http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13365755,00.html 63% of girls would rather be glamour models than nurses, doctors or teachers. -Paul

[2005-06-06 11:34:02] - mig: I suppose. But you wouldn't thought the cap would've made Coles untradeable too. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-06 11:33:40] - mig: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6427 Here is the Kim we saw in the Nationals game. -Paul

[2005-06-06 11:25:23] - paul:  salary cap makes cutting taylor virtually impossible. - mig

[2005-06-06 11:01:36] - Dave: I'm trying to think of how I would feel if it were a team I liked. The closest comparison I can think of is Artest in Indiana and I think I would like the Pacers to trade him if they could get good value for him. Not sure I would want them to just cut him though. -Paul

[2005-06-06 10:48:37] - Paul: Yeah, if it was a team I didn't care about, I'd definitely say I hoped that he got fired, or benched etc. I hate players who do things like he has -dave

[2005-06-06 10:45:44] - Dave: I can definitely understand that, but it seems like he's been nothing but a headache for Joe Gibbs and I kinda want him to send a message to all his other players by either just cutting Taylor outright or possibly just benching him for the rest of his contract. -Paul

[2005-06-06 10:39:39] - Paul: I kinda do, but at the same time, I'm kinda hesitant since it'd stink if the Redskins lost a player that was able to really make the team better -dave

[2005-06-06 10:36:42] - Is anybody else hoping that the Redskins just cut Taylor right now? -Paul

[2005-06-06 09:50:16] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/05/AR2005060500742.html Sean Taylor arrested. Apparently he and a friend tried to strongarm some individuals into giving back two ATVs that they supposedly stole from Taylor -dave

[2005-06-06 09:44:54] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/05/AR2005060500872.html research that may yield the generation of stem cells without destroying embryos -dave

[2005-06-06 08:59:42] - http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/06/crowe.arrest/index.html russell crowe arrested. charged with assault for throwing a telephone at a hotel employee and hitting him in the face -dave

[2005-06-03 17:01:38] - a: sweet, thanks. :) - pierce

[2005-06-03 16:48:32] - mysql_pconnect, mysql_select_db, $res = @mysql_query("select max(rc_timestamp) from recentchanges");  $pierce=$res ? "&pierce=".@mysql_result($res, 0) : "";  ~a

[2005-06-03 16:46:18] - pierce:  there is your silly feature.  ~a

[2005-06-03 16:10:23] - and therefore visit the same webpages.  ~a

[2005-06-03 16:10:10] - weird.  i guess good programmers think alike.  ~a

[2005-06-03 16:07:51] - a: whoa, small world... remember ZorbaTHutt from topcoder?  I'm going to assume the same person commented on this journal entry. - pierce

[2005-06-03 16:02:40] - pierce:  probably not.  i'm going to try select max(rc_timestamp) from wiki.recentchanges;  ~a

[2005-06-03 15:53:18] - hahah. well anyway, I doubt the "recent changes" code has recently changed, ironically.  the line numbers might even be identical. - pierce

[2005-06-03 15:47:32] - pierce:  lol.  1.4.5 released 2005-06-03  ~a

[2005-06-03 15:46:57] - 1.4.4  . . . they must have JUST had a release because 1.4.4 was brand new a few weeks ago when i installed.  ~a

[2005-06-03 15:43:34] - Lori: goddamn loch ness monster!  you can't have my tree fiddy! - pierce

[2005-06-03 15:42:25] - a: there even seems to be a recentchanges table... not entirely sure of the rules for when it's populated, but it might be a good place to start: Article.php:1967 for the tablename, SpecialRecentChanges.php:119 for the SQL query... assuming you're using MediaWiki 1.4.5. - pierce

[2005-06-03 15:27:28] - pierce:  well it just uses sql.  i guess i could grant readonly rights to my webpage on the sql database.  ~a

[2005-06-03 15:25:19] - I am pathetically amused.  As of today (payday) I have exactly 3.63 dollars _less_ in my bank account than I owe my creditcard.  - lori

[2005-06-03 15:24:47] - a: no, I've not used mediawiki. - pierce

[2005-06-03 15:21:09] - "dollar beers, quarter tacos, free pizza, discount margaritas" from the Washington post.  -mel

[2005-06-03 15:20:22] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/entertainmentguide/internsguide/index.html?nav=sc  An Intern's Guide to Washington DC  -mel

[2005-06-03 14:51:37] - pierce:  do you know how my webpage can find out what the newest wiki change is?  ~a

[2005-06-03 14:15:29] - a: is there any way to make the "rc" link include the date/time of the most recent change?  not because it'd be used by the page, but so that the "rc" link itself would turn blue when there were new changes (since the browser would think it was a new link, rather than one previously visited). - pierce

[2005-06-03 14:09:58] - Lori: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ It was one of the pictures cycling through for the main story. -Paul

[2005-06-03 14:07:41] - paul: what was the picture for?  do you know? - lori

[2005-06-03 14:06:26] - amy: I find the need to reitterate the yes to tonight and no to tomorrow - though I'm assuming it's unnecessary given adrian already answered...but damnit I'm my own person!  (sorry, that kinda mood) - lori

[2005-06-03 14:01:54] - bikes = velotaxis -Paul

[2005-06-03 14:01:06] - a: Or maybe it's the guys that look like they're succesfully riding their bikes even in waist deep water. -paul

[2005-06-03 13:59:54] - a: Probably, especially in contrast to everything around her. Particularly the guy who is wading through the water to push her raft to wherever it is she wants to go. -Paul

[2005-06-03 13:58:22] - is it the high heels and parasol?  ~a

[2005-06-03 13:56:18] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp6-3-05c.jpg I'm not sure why, but I find this picture amusing. -Paul

[2005-06-03 13:28:06] - amy:  karaoke tonight, yes.  ultimate tomorrow, no (i'm busy this weekend too).  ~a

[2005-06-03 13:18:07] - amy: Sorry, I'm busy this weekend. -Paul

[2005-06-03 13:04:41] - also, karaoke tonight? there's alcohol there .) -amy

[2005-06-03 13:04:31] - ultimate_people: is anyone interested? tomorrow afternoon? -amy

[2005-06-03 12:40:55] - i definitely think that there are better things for police officers to be doing.  however, i can see what their mindset is:  this is a really easy problem to "fix" and it will save tons of lives.  ~a

[2005-06-03 11:54:43] - http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0605/232859.html Having solved all other crimes, Maryland police turn to night-vision goggles to catch people without seatbelts on (title from fark). -paul

[2005-06-03 11:08:32] - Pierce: I suppose that's true. I guess it's just a totally useless safeguard then. It only keeps out the honest underage people. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-03 10:50:31] - Paul: I really don't see how it does that... even if it was legally sound, the people whose parents might sue IGN are ineligible to enter a contract anyway. - pierce

[2005-06-03 10:26:34] - mig: Well, I guess it prevents people from suing them if their kids get past it. -Paul

[2005-06-03 10:24:37] - paul:  apparently in a legal sense it could be like signing a document stating you are a certain age.  if they actually find out somehow they actually can prosecute you for lying but it is pointless, since there's no way they can ever now without devoting an obscene amount of resources to it. - mig

[2005-06-03 10:13:08] - Lori: It's the first time I've been asked to enter my birthday instead of just clicking on "I am over 21" or whatever age. Seems kinda pointless, considering you could easily lie. -Paul

[2005-06-03 10:11:37] - paul: I think that is the first time I have been asked to verify my age before reading an article.  - lori

[2005-06-03 09:57:09] - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=shah/050602 An article about the Indian-American dominance in spelling bees. -Paul

[2005-06-03 09:41:47] - http://psp.ign.com/articles/621/621332p1.html Pornographic PSP Videos in Japan -Paul

[2005-06-02 17:04:54] - pierce: we're going to be at DDR. thanks anyway - vinnie

[2005-06-02 17:02:09] - you guys want me to pick anything up for you on my way home? - pierce

[2005-06-02 17:01:46] - does pomodoro deliver, for future reference?  btw, I decided on Baja Fresh. - pierce

[2005-06-02 16:56:14] - *** amy vouches for pomodoro

[2005-06-02 16:55:25] - oops, Pomodoro - vinnie

[2005-06-02 16:54:54] - pierce: I'd suggest Pomadoro if you're in the mood for pizza (although I'm guessing you probably aren't since it can be delivered :P). Amy and I eat there all the time - cheap, fantastic pizza - vinnie

[2005-06-02 16:53:49] - pierce: go out and get food? :) - vinnie

[2005-06-02 16:48:00] - what should I have for dinner tonight?  I can't/won't cook, but I feel like varying beyond Chinese or Italian delivery. - pierce

[2005-06-02 16:33:13] - *** pierce cries.

[2005-06-02 16:27:58] - *** pierce < 0

[2005-06-02 16:25:05] - pierce:  pierce < 0  ~a

[2005-06-02 16:23:00] - assuming that "pierce = 0" - pierce

[2005-06-02 16:22:18] - x = +- 1 - pierce

[2005-06-02 16:12:42] - x2 = 1.  solve for x.

[2005-06-02 15:48:31] - a: Ok, I think maybe I understand. Thanks. :-) -Paul

[2005-06-02 15:42:46] - pierce:  but what you said was the first definition of "static" (which i didn't see when i posted my explanation).  ~a

[2005-06-02 15:41:49] - pierce:  my fault.  "for oo in general" was just for the first question.  ~a

[2005-06-02 15:21:17] - a: although in my own defense, you'd specified "(for oo in general)" for that question. :) - pierce

[2005-06-02 15:17:08] - if somebody can get ONE of them, i'm happy.  ~a

[2005-06-02 15:17:01] - . . . and static (variables inside of functions, also same meaning for variables inside of classes) mean that the variable is allocated at program startup, not when the function is called (or object created), and destroyed at program exit, not when the function returns (or object destroyed).  so basically it has 3 meanings.  ~a

[2005-06-02 15:14:21] - paul:  static (variables or functions in a class) means that it's for the class as a whole, not objects of that class's type.  static (variables not in a class) means that the variable is not accessible from object files.  ~a

[2005-06-02 14:58:45] - Pierce: I guess I'm not entirely sure how it's useful, nor am I positive that I completely understand how it works. -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:53:54] - Paul: why does that sound crazy?  Oft-misused, yes, but I don't think it's crazy. - pierce

[2005-06-02 14:51:47] - Pierce: Class scoped? That sounds crazy, if it does what I think it does. Either way, thanks for the clarification. Now I know how to answer that question correctly in my next interview. :-) -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:50:38] - Amy: I certainly hope so. :-) -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:47:06] - and because I'm a big Joel on Software groupie, here's an interesting article: The Guerrilla Guide to Interviewing. - pierce

[2005-06-02 14:46:12] - Paul: and here's good coverage of the virtual destructor topic: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/virtual-functions.html#faq-20.7 - pierce

[2005-06-02 14:43:59] - Paul: just for the record, "static" makes a method or property class-scoped rather than object-scoped.  In other words, it's shared among all objects of that class (but cannot access non-static parts of those objects).  What you were thinking of was "constant". - pierce

[2005-06-02 14:43:54] - paul: i know i have def. been in that situation too... but i think it helps to think the interviewer may well be as nervous and/or clueless as you .) -amy

[2005-06-02 14:42:54] - Amy: Very true. I just can't help but feel dumb and feel like it's my fault when interviewers ask me a question about X and not only do I not know the answer, but I also have no idea what X even is. -paul

[2005-06-02 14:41:09] - mig: You're probably right. I guess I just never got the impression from anybody else that it was ever good to use STL so I just assumed it was still a bad thing to do. -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:41:07] - paul: well, there are also bad interviewers, too .p in re: what pierce said a while ago, a good interviewer would think about whether they need somebody with aptitude or experience; if they didn't hire you bc you lacked exp in something but they really needed the aptitude that is their mistake -amy

[2005-06-02 14:38:48] - in the higher level classes they did actually want us to use stl since it would save time. - mig

[2005-06-02 14:38:39] - There was even one time when somebody asked me a question about SQL where they were just trying to get me to say "Select, Update, Insert, Delete" but the way they phrased it confused me and I couldn't answer the simple question because I didn't know what they were asking for. -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:38:10] - paul:  it was frowned upon in high school and college because they wanted us to teach us the concepts of things such as stacks and linked lists in our projects, so stl was a no-no because it would be like lifting someone else's code. - mig

[2005-06-02 14:37:24] - a: I think I understand encapsulation, but I'm also with Amy. I usually understand the concept but have no idea how to associate it with the term. -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:36:25] - a: You would make a destructor virtual because you would likely need to deal with deleting different subclasses differently than you deal with deleting the parent class. Windows and Linux, but not comfortable in Linux. No. No. Maybe. No. No. The store? A little bit. -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:34:37] - a: I think so. Not properly deleting something? Is that when you create an empty virtual function that will later be implemented in a subclass? Static makes something unchangeable, right? -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:33:27] - Pierce: I don't know, it was a general impression I got throughout high school and college. It was generally frowned upon to use STL, even if it made things easier. -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:30:12] - a: that is exactly me, i have appeared dumb in so many interviews because i'm terrible with terminology. but i think it's hard to express you understand a concept if you had to ask them what the term meant... -amy

[2005-06-02 14:24:20] - what is encapsulation? (if they don't know, lots of times i say something like "most people don't know what the vocabulary words are, but they understand the concepts" then i explain what ecapsulation is and see how they react)  ~a

[2005-06-02 14:15:24] - i ask them to explain something they did at their last job.  and ask questions about their repsonses.  ~a

[2005-06-02 14:13:23] - why would you make a destructor virtual?  what oses have you used c++ in?  makefiles?  ant?  hash tables?  makefiles?  cygwin?  cvs?  sql?  ~a

[2005-06-02 14:12:18] - paul:  (for oo in general) do you know the difference between a class and an object?  what is a memory leak?  do you know what a "pure virtual" function is?  do you know what the "static" key word does?  ~a

[2005-06-02 14:10:40] - paul:  i agree with pierce.  and i don't even have any problems with the api's design.  ~a

[2005-06-02 14:10:02] - pierce:  the way logan had it worded was pretty good.  but i can't find his resume.  it was something like "willingness to learn new languages".  ~a

[2005-06-02 14:06:47] - Paul: who told you that?  STL has its hairy, gnarled design issues, but I can't think of any excuse for reinventing the wheel like that. - pierce

[2005-06-02 14:01:23] - a: What other questions would you ask me if I said 5/10? -Paul

[2005-06-02 14:00:56] - a: I was always told that real programmers shouldn't use STL because they should come up with their own personal code to do that stuff. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-02 13:56:07] - paul:  if you answer 5/10 in c++, i will ask you like ~10 questions.  if you don't know what stl is, don't worry, you've got nine other questions.  one guy we're about to hire to do c++ doesn't know stl.  ~a

[2005-06-02 13:55:36] - to join the bandwagon - 311 words, 1 page - lori

[2005-06-02 13:39:06] - a: OH, you mean Standard Template Libraries? I thought you were referring to a specific command. In either case, I really don't know STL either. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-02 13:38:31] - a: I don't know what stl does. :-P -Paul

[2005-06-02 13:37:37] - I guess my "problem" is that my particular talent is that I adapt to unfamiliar environments very quickly, and I think I'm probably not alone in that on this board.  how do we distinguish ourselves from people who may already know a language, but took years to learn it and can't adjust quickly? - pierce

[2005-06-02 13:35:27] - pierce:  i'll ask (candidates) what they rate their expierience in X.  if they say 5 (out of ten), i check to see if they can actually use X.  (like in c++, what does virtual do?  do you know stl?).  if they say 10, i let 'em have it.  ~a

[2005-06-02 13:34:49] - ...this seems disingenuous of me, but I wouldn't want to get filtered out for a C# development job just because I'd omitted it to ease my conscience... I'm sure I'd be fine on a C# project with maybe a week or two of ramp-up and refresher. - pierce

[2005-06-02 13:33:01] - compuper people: how do you guys do your skills?  For me, it's always been fairly trivial to learn a new language (Java, JSP, C#, PHP) on-the-fly as long ass I'm not completely unfamiliar with the underlying architecture.  So while I am by no means an "experienced" C# programmer, I have it listed as a skill on my resume... - pierce

[2005-06-02 13:30:40] - pierce:  mine is 336 to be exact :-P  ~a

[2005-06-02 13:24:16] - incidentally, one page, 343 words. - pierce

[2005-06-02 13:23:42] - a: yeah i have seen some pretty bad resumes too (i used to work in an employment agency), most notably the one with work exp that went back to 81 and the one that was entirely in arial black bold -amy

[2005-06-02 13:22:47] - I've gathered that 1-2 pages is now customary... companies realized that they were not helping their selection process by making people shoehorn years of experience and skills into a single page.  2 is still the practical limit in almost all circumstances though, more than that and they'll assume you can't express yourself concisely. - pierce

[2005-06-02 13:22:18] - hmm and 691 words.  -amy

[2005-06-02 13:21:09] - lori: me too but then i had a professional resume writer do mine and it was 2 pages. *shrug* -amy

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