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[2005-09-08 13:44:05] - paul: wow, that's pretty shitty of them. - mig
[2005-09-08 13:41:08] - "Do you find glasses on the opposite sex attractive?" New question from OkCupid. I am not amused. -Paul
[2005-09-08 13:38:45] - mig: hmph. nevermind. my bad. ~a
[2005-09-08 13:36:20] - a: i meant about my web page breaking... - mig
[2005-09-08 13:34:33] - i'd buy it if i knew it was legal (among other things there) ~a
[2005-09-08 13:34:24] - aaron: yeah, no kidding. ~a
[2005-09-08 13:34:17] - mig: the prices are way too low. paul suggested that maybe it's not legal. ~a
[2005-09-08 13:29:16] - http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46218 Katrina, the race card, and the welfare state. -Paul
[2005-09-08 13:15:52] - a: Wow, photoshop for $50? - aaron
[2005-09-08 13:00:13] - a: what do you mean? i don't see any problems? - mig
[2005-09-08 11:58:42] - mig: the same day i add your link, your webpage breaks itself. ~a
[2005-09-08 11:56:43] - Dave: I was actually kinda crushed/shocked. I had always pictured her as this innocent girl who had all these romantic notions about the doctor and whatnot. Instead, it turns out she is a bit of a slut and probably just wants to get into the doctor's pants.
-Paul[2005-09-08 11:43:31] - Paul: now that you bring attention to it, I guess so, but at the time it didn't seem odd or out of place to me -dave
[2005-09-08 11:23:29] - Ok, I'll assume silence means 'no'. *FIREFLY SPOILER ALERT* Did anybody else think that showing Kaylee having sex in the episode where Mal thinks about how he met everybody ruins her character? Seems to take away some of the innocence to me. -Paul
[2005-09-08 11:11:57] - Dave: Yup, but I've been crusing along. Only four more episodes left I think. -Paul
[2005-09-08 11:00:46] - Paul: you should hurry that up. doesn't Serenity come out end of this month? -dave
[2005-09-08 10:52:53] - Is there anybody on this message board who hasn't seen Firefly yet but plans to? -Paul
[2005-09-08 10:37:52] - vinnie: I don't get the benefits of the mtg splice mechanic. most of the time the cc is the same or more? -dave
[2005-09-08 10:22:24] - are these prices right? what's the catch? download $4k in software for $.1k (autocad and 3dstudiomax)? ~a
[2005-09-08 10:12:59] - not to mention $500 in software. how much is vista going to cost, anyways? ~a
[2005-09-08 10:12:14] - i mean, immagine running a 1k node cluster where you had to put $1k in ram and a $1k graphics card in each node. ouch. ~a
[2005-09-08 10:10:25] - that is assuming lddm doesn't ALREADY have fallback code for computers that came out before 2007 OR computers that cost less than three grand. ~a
[2005-09-08 10:09:02] - dave: yes, well microsoft seems to get more realistic as they realize not everybody is jumping on msbandwagon. i'll bet they'll make lddm disableable. ~a
[2005-09-08 10:06:25] - amy: y ~a
[2005-09-08 09:25:42] - a: <nod> but did you read the explanations for why the requirements were needed / recommended? Those didn't seem like they would change at all -dave
[2005-09-08 09:15:16] - a: if i link you on diotrans.us, will you link me back? .) -amy
[2005-09-08 09:12:56] - dave: yeah. and the requirements might change in that time too. i'm not holding my breath, but ms HAS toned down the especially draconian decisions that they've made in the past (the stupid xp piracy thing got toned down) ~a
[2005-09-08 09:09:18] - a: yeah, pretty dang stiff requirements to "run it well." One thing to keep in mind is that vista isn't supposed to be out for a year (not that the requirements still won't be stiff then) -dave
[2005-09-08 08:38:09] - ... the kat will play?
[2005-09-08 08:37:46] - when the cats are away. ~a
[2005-09-08 08:34:10] - It's a rare day when _both_ of your coworkers call in late... - lori
[2005-09-08 08:26:42] - "video card with more than 256MB RAM, 2GB of DDR3 memory and a S-ATA 2 hard drive." wow, my NEW computer doesn't have most of that. my other computer has 256MB of regular ram, 32MB of video memory, and a regular IDE harddrive. will it run windows vista? ~a
[2005-09-08 08:22:58] - wow. i wonder if that's going to be in the final version. ~a
[2005-09-08 08:22:47] - http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2523 article on a Google Mini (google search server) -dave
[2005-09-08 08:13:46] - also in there - he talks about windows vista making an encrypted link between dvd's in HD and your monitor. Apparently the monitor itself will do the decrypting, and not a singel monitor on the market currently has the capability apparently -dave
[2005-09-08 08:12:36] - http://www.apcstart.com/teched/pivot/entry.php?id=6 Windows Vista hefty hardware requirements -dave
[2005-09-07 19:38:48] - - mig
[2005-09-07 19:38:44] - a: sorry i'll get that up in a little bit
[2005-09-07 18:25:35] - This game looks so awesome. It's like a cell-shaded version of Grand Theft Auto. It's called "Bad Day LA." You can go here and look at the trailer. http://www.enlight.com/bdla -sam
[2005-09-07 17:55:13] - although i hesitate to link to a site that's not linking back
~a[2005-09-07 17:54:28] - done ~a
[2005-09-07 17:27:25] - a: can i have my link back now? - mig
[2005-09-07 15:31:57] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090501598.html Walmart 1, government 0. -Paul
[2005-09-07 15:04:37] - Xpovos: Hmmm, that's unfortunate because it's entirely possible I won't be around for basketball/football this friday. I was hoping I could squeeze in our game before I left but if it's not the first one... -Paul
[2005-09-07 14:55:44] - I don't recall, but I don't think we were. -- Xpovos
[2005-09-07 14:46:33] - Xpovos: Do you remember if we are the first game of the new week? -Paul
[2005-09-07 14:39:51] - Paul: Planning on it. -- Xpovos
[2005-09-07 14:36:49] - Xpovos: Are you planning on showing up for basketball and football this friday? -Paul
[2005-09-07 14:34:07] - Vinnie: I'm interested, but don't know if I can do it or not. -- Xpovos
[2005-09-07 14:33:06] - Paul: Half? Try a quarter. -- Xpovos
[2005-09-07 13:50:41] - aaron: hmm i thought vinnie talked to her. but better to call, too. thanks -amy
[2005-09-07 13:47:16] - amy: Alright - i'll call gurkie and let her know pottery is off - aaron
[2005-09-07 13:25:44] - aaron: i need to try recording today. i was starting to warm up yesterday and then the upstairs neighbors started stomping .( so i couldn't record yesterday ;_; i hope it doesn't happen again today... -amy
[2005-09-07 13:22:33] - If we're not pottering do you all want to get together to play games or something tonight? - aaron
[2005-09-07 13:03:47] - dave: cool. I sent out an e-mail as well now that my e-mail is back, you don't need to respond if you don't want - vinnie
[2005-09-07 13:00:28] - vinnie: I'd be interested. I think I'm available at present, but that might change -dave
[2005-09-07 12:40:02] - lori: don't apologize, you are not a pain .) -amy
[2005-09-07 12:32:52] - vinnie: I am interested if I am here this weekend. As of now, there is about a 50/50 chance that I will actually be gone (which would mean no poker either). I'll try to let you know more as I learn it. -Paul
[2005-09-07 12:25:32] - amy: thanks - sorry to be such a pain. - lori
[2005-09-07 12:18:02] - nnie
[2005-09-07 12:17:57] - my gmail is down for whatever reason, so I'll ask here: are people interested in doing a magic draft this saturday (i'm thinking around 3:30 since then people can stick around the area for poker)? one of amy's and my friends is visiting and he plays magic, thought we could get a lot of people. I can provide the packs for everyone, I just want to know who is interested - vi
[2005-09-07 12:11:01] - lori: it really seems like it's better to do on the weekend. even 6.30-8 is not that much time. i think we will plan this for sept 18, and if you guys can't make it, then we'll just do it again sometime ^_^ i don't mind doing it again, anyway. -amy
[2005-09-07 12:08:50] - amy: i don't get off until 5:30 and then traffic is awful. if you let me know further ahead i guess i can ask to get off 30 minutes or an hour early. honestly, it's ok if you all do it without me. - lori
[2005-09-07 11:58:09] - wow nassau and suffolk. looks like i just moved from one wealthy suburbia to the next. *feels sheltered* -amy
[2005-09-07 11:54:00] - Xpovos: Yeah, it's hard enough for somebody making half of the median income.
-Paul[2005-09-07 11:51:06] - Prince William is 7th on the list, so it's pretty obvious why I'm practically getting priced out of my own neighborhood. -- Xpovos
[2005-09-07 11:49:43] - But the county just below you guys has a higher median income! I suspect that's a typo. Anyway, it's obvious why I can't afford to live near you guys now... -- Xpovos
[2005-09-07 11:42:50] - America's richest and poorest places. Fairfax county is the richest county. http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/30/pf/city_county_rankings/index.htm -sam
[2005-09-07 11:02:50] - aaron:
~a[2005-09-07 11:00:20] - lori: you couldn't make it by 6.30 only today, or you mean you could never make it at that time on a weekday? -amy
[2005-09-07 10:59:18] - i should make a chart of how people over the age of 60 are replacing record players - aaron
[2005-09-07 10:57:50] - amy: i doubt i can make it by 6:30 - even without having to go home to do dog stuff. If you all want to go without us - it's ok. - lori
[2005-09-07 10:55:22] - a: Oh, I see. What I meant to say is that I didn't expect there to be two different axis because that would make the graph misleading and seem to defeat the purpose of it. Having seen that there ARE two, I think the graph is misleading. -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:54:23] - paul: ok. ~a
[2005-09-07 10:54:09] - ... err effect. ~a
[2005-09-07 10:54:06] - a: What do you mean? I said I had missed the second axis... -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:53:33] - because the "otherwise" clause of your statement seems to be the one in affect. ~a
[2005-09-07 10:53:12] - Maybe "expertly fended" is the wrong term. I just thought it was funny that a lot of the common themes in that article (government bad, people good) is something I would expect to hear from a libertarian perspective. -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:53:09] - paul: yes. ...well it's hard to tell from your post if you re-looked at the image or not. ~a
[2005-09-07 10:51:16] - "We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreens in the French Quarter." I also found that to be amusing. Who needs any kind of facts at all when you can make blanket accusations based on preconceived notions?
-Paul[2005-09-07 10:50:27] - Amy: Skimming through the article, one of the ironic things seems to be that the people who wrote it (I assume they are socialists) are saying a lot of the same things libertarians would say. That the government handled it ineptly and the private citizens have expertly fended for themselves. -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:48:58] - Dave: So it would seem.
-Paul[2005-09-07 10:48:48] - a: I looked at the right hand axis and just assumed that both lines were using the same measurements. Otherwise, I think the graph becomes a little misleading. -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:47:31] - Paul: apparently one real estate agent is worth 12 manufacturing workers ^_^ -dave
[2005-09-07 10:44:55] - paul: did you even look at the axises? the two lines aren't related at all except that one is going down fast (because manufacturing is becoming more refined) and the other is going up very very slowly. ~a
[2005-09-07 10:41:35] - paul: nah, it doesn't really make sense for me to get it, thanks though .) -amy
[2005-09-07 10:40:52] - http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-2/556/556_04_RealHeroes.shtml interesting first-hand account of oppression of new orleans victims. (extremely cynical of course) -amy
[2005-09-07 10:36:42] - Amy: You sure you don't want it anymore? -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:36:10] - Dave: Oh, heh, I didn't see the other units of measurement on the left for real estate. I thought they were comparing equal numbers. That's less frightening then.
-Paul[2005-09-07 10:35:27] - paul: (it's a half of a sandwich, i didn't touch it besides to put it in the box, iirc) -amy
[2005-09-07 10:35:03] - paul: i know .) if you like portobello mushrom and peppers and sandwich, you should eat it. it's probably still good ^_^ -amy
[2005-09-07 10:33:42] - Paul: how is that surprising? -dave
[2005-09-07 10:27:19] - Amy: You left food in my refrigerator, btw. -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:25:51] - a: Such an eloquent speaker. -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:23:36] - Dave: http://www.pimco.com/NR/rdonlyres/672DAA04-BF08-4BEE-927D-FC166284E9E5/3224/Chart2.gif Wow, if that's really true then it's pretty frightening. -Paul
[2005-09-07 10:23:01] - video referenced in my last post. ~a
[2005-09-07 10:16:04] - paul: some of it takes a bit to figure out, but in general I think he's saying what you want to hear -dave
[2005-09-07 10:15:09] - paul: http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Late+Breaking+Commentary/IO/2005/IO+September+2005.htm -dave
[2005-09-07 10:02:46] - lori: i don't want anyone to feel rushed to finish... i would say it takes 1-2 hrs but more elaborate things will take longer. so the earlier we can all get there, the better. -amy
[2005-09-07 10:02:02] - lori: how soon can you and adrian get there? they close at 8... if we all meet there exactly at 6.30, that might leave us enough time. if not, we should postpone it. -amy
[2005-09-07 09:45:21] - http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/national/nationalspecial/07home.html?hp&ex=1126152000&en=7cd8f435534f1dbc&ei=5094&partner=homepage first they worried about getting everyone to leave New Orleans, now they're worried about getting everyone back -dave
[2005-09-07 09:05:34] -
~a[2005-09-07 09:05:28] - title_maker: are you referring to this? ~a
[2005-09-07 09:02:26] - lori: I think it's not happening, but I'll let Amy say for sure. the place closes at 8:00 so unless you and Adrian can make it out here very early it would be tight on time - vinnie
[2005-09-07 08:43:25] - amy: what's the deal with pottery stuff? is it tonight? where? when? Thanks! - lori
[2005-09-07 08:05:00] - hehe, that was talking about Michael Vick -dave
[2005-09-07 07:46:31] - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050906 "Vick Must Think Pass First" -dave
[2005-09-06 17:56:38] - Wait... an image is forming in my mind... It's a sweaty, hard-working bare-chested carpenter with a tiny red plastic hammer in his hand. Yes. This is his tool. Yes. He's been using it since he was 5. ~a
[2005-09-06 17:05:18] - a: Also, i think first bidder wins in the case of a tie
- aaron[2005-09-06 17:04:59] - a: If you really want the item, but do a bad job guessing what the previous bidder bid, then it would be to your advantage to bid with a few minutes to spare (so that you have the opportunity to decide to bid again) - aaron
[2005-09-06 16:56:56] - amy: That's ok. I'm actually fairly certain that what I think looks good is vastly different from what a lot of people thinks looks good. At least Vinnie agrees with me sometimes. -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:55:55] - Vinnie: Note to self, buy black slacks. That's a good point about River. The parts of her outfit that you can see looks a bit dubious. She's still hot, though, which is more than I can say for the rest of the females.
-Paul[2005-09-06 16:53:52] - vinnie: i agree with you about the dresses being pretty bad. and most of the outfits, really. sorry paul .( -amy
[2005-09-06 16:51:43] - paul: looks like black slacks, nothing special. yeah River is ok, but mainly because you can't see her. the bottom of her dress looks suspicious though
- vinnie[2005-09-06 16:49:42] - Vinnie: I wish I could see what kind of pants Mal was wearing there, too. -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:48:24] - Vinnie: Yeah, that's pretty much why I posted the picture. I also really liked Mal's outfit (except possibly the sneakers). I thought Jayne also looked decent. I thought Simon looked horrible, though (maybe it's the hair) and all the women but River looked worse too. -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:46:01] - paul: yeah try rolling up your sleeves. or trying some short-sleeved button shirts. it could work - vinnie
[2005-09-06 16:43:26] - wow those are some hideous Firefly outfits in that picture. actually I really like Mal's work clothes + sneakers outfit but I am stupid like that. but like all the girl's dresses and simon's outfit?? augh - vinnie
[2005-09-06 16:40:45] - a: you may not be around by the time the auction ends? - mig
[2005-09-06 16:39:35] - what's the point in placing a bid on ebay any time before the very end of the auction? ~a
[2005-09-06 16:38:01] - a: buy it now? -amy
[2005-09-06 16:37:48] - aaron: i was gonna bid on KR today and it was at $36 with more than 10 mins to spare so I didn't bother... and it ended at $36. Can't find any BIN for less than $50 now, and next KR auction ends in 3 days. Suxxor .( -amy
[2005-09-06 16:37:42] - yeah, paul, be yourself
~a[2005-09-06 16:37:09] - BIN? ~a
[2005-09-06 16:36:44] - Paul: I dunno he looks shiny. Both the pants and the shirt look reflective. And the sneakers do not go AT ALL! I don't know who you should emulate. Be yourself ^_^ -amy
[2005-09-06 16:36:39] - paul: i don't know if i agree. but if i do . . . it's because of his shoes which don't look like they would match his clothes if he was at work. ~a
[2005-09-06 16:35:59] - amy: I got my KKR for $40 and BIN - aaron
[2005-09-06 16:25:38] - a: He probably looks the most like he came from work out of all of them but I still don't think most people would assume that he did. -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:24:47] - amy: Shiny? He doesn't look shiny to me. Unless I don't know a meaning of that word. Who would you think I should emulate then? -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:22:48] - paul: (before you pointed him out) i was going to mention that the red-shirted guy is the only one that looks like he/she just came from work. ~a
[2005-09-06 16:20:44] - paul: you mean shiny dude? bleh. sorry, but i wouldn't recommend you to emulate him .) -amy
[2005-09-06 16:13:53] - I think the secret is having your shirt sleeves rolled up. I need to learn how to do that. -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:13:37] - a: The hot guy. If that doesn't help, he's in the red shirt sitting down. -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:12:53] - Pierce: Is your pad one of the "good" ones? -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:11:18] - which one's mal? ~a
[2005-09-06 16:10:00] - Pierce: There is an xbox version of the game and pad? Interesting. Thanks for the info. -Paul
[2005-09-06 16:09:10] - http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6391/fireflycast3rf.jpg I'll bet nobody asks Mal whether he just came from work or not... -Paul
[2005-09-06 15:55:21] - paul: I have the xbox version of the game and a pad, but I can't use it anymore because people live below me. you're welcome to them, but you'll need to get an xbox (which you can probably get relatively cheaply used). - pierce
[2005-09-06 15:40:34] - Aaron: Hmmmm, sounds pretty expensive. Thanks for the info though. -Paul
[2005-09-06 14:39:55] - aaron: also, how much did you get KR1 for? It looks like it's not going for any less than $40 on ebay .( Should I give up and just look for a $40 one and BIN? -amy
[2005-09-06 14:38:47] - aaron: http://www.redoctane.com/clearance-landing.html <-- ITG for $20 (+SH) -amy
[2005-09-06 14:37:36] - amy: ITG seemed fine with dance mode on! I'll probably buy it. - aaron
[2005-09-06 14:34:55] - aaron: redoctane is having a sale on ITG today! $20! have you gotten ITG or have you decided you were going to get it? i can't remember... -amy
[2005-09-06 14:33:42] - a: i'm more puzzled at how it's already 2.30 O_O -amy
[2005-09-06 14:32:59] - paul: Alternately you could get a bad pad for ~$20 but i wouldn't recommend it - aaron
[2005-09-06 14:32:16] - paul: PS2 = $150, (good) pad = $100, game = $35 (ea) - aaron
[2005-09-06 13:43:33] - a: I know, I was talking to a coworker about doing something on Tuesday and his response was "today is tuesday" and that threw me off. -Paul
[2005-09-06 13:43:04] - DDR_People: I'm looking into the possibility of playing DDR in my apartment. Can anybody tell me what I would have to buy and about how much it would cost? Thanks. -Paul
[2005-09-06 13:41:20] - man it's tuesday?! what happened to monday? ~a
[2005-09-06 10:46:49] - paul: actually no. ~a
[2005-09-06 10:24:11] - a: I assume that's a yes? -Paul
[2005-09-06 10:24:03] - mig: No thanks, not that important to me.
-Paul[2005-09-06 10:19:24] - paul: he died on saturday. this is tuesday. ~a
[2005-09-06 10:19:03] - sorry, you can repost your comments if you really really want to... i just didn't feel like entering them in again. - mig
[2005-09-06 10:15:32] - mig: My comments are gone.
-Paul[2005-09-06 10:04:24] - Vinnie: Yeah, I guess so. I was surprised it was going on too. Not sure how exactly that is going to work. -Paul
[2005-09-06 10:01:27] - paul: that 70's show is continuing without Topher Grace? that surprised me more than the actual article, since I was already somewhat familiar with Wilmer's reputation
- vinnie[2005-09-06 09:59:23] - btw, everybody knows that Rehnquist died, right? -Paul
[2005-09-06 09:59:00] - sam: You mean a communist? Because the answer is probably yes.
-Paul[2005-09-06 09:40:54] - yeah, a brotherhood of man sounds horrible
~a[2005-09-06 09:39:29] - sam: He wanted you to imagine how awful it would be - aaron
[2005-09-06 00:57:27] - angrypeons.com is back .... sort of. - mig
[2005-09-03 16:55:30] - Angry CNN weatherman! http://www.big-boys.com/articles/angryweatherman.html -sam
[2005-09-03 13:05:34] - "Imagine no possesions. I wonder if you can. No need for greed or hunger. A brotherhood of man. Imagine all the people sharing all the world." Was John Lennon an anti-capitalist? -sam
[2005-09-02 18:36:31] - this might be a wiki ~a
[2005-09-02 17:29:57] - haha, SOE (Sony Online Entertainment) is not billing players of EQ2 in the disaster area until they can play again -dave
[2005-09-02 17:27:26] - Federal income tax, I mean. -Paul
[2005-09-02 17:27:08] - sam: I would imagine people on welfare don't pay an income tax (if that's what you mean) but I'm not positive. -Paul
[2005-09-02 17:26:32] - Dave: Obviously if the government just decided today that it wasn't going to help out, things wouldn't work so well since there aren't any other non-government services established. -Paul
[2005-09-02 17:25:45] - Dave: Well, I'm thinking of a situation where people aren't expecting the government to get involved in such a manner and therefore alternative things have developed. -Paul
[2005-09-02 17:20:43] - ummm. not today (i'm feeling too lazy to recode that feature from earlier message boards) however, i can make bold the default if you want. ~a
[2005-09-02 17:16:43] - so if I make it bold, it can't be red? -sam
[2005-09-02 17:16:15] - hmm -sam
[2005-09-02 17:16:07] - nice! -sam
[2005-09-02 17:13:33] - ~a: I would like red. -sam
[2005-09-02 17:12:40] - just be glad that you are ALIVE!
[2005-09-02 17:12:11] - sam: pick a color. ~a
[2005-09-02 17:10:42] - people stranded in the disaster area are now bitching and whining because help is getting there not fast enough!? they are "expecting" help like they deserve it.
[2005-09-02 17:00:48] - Do people on welfare pay federal tax? -sam
[2005-09-02 16:33:20] - yeah, there was an article in the post that said that a gas station had been called three times already by upper management, told to raise prices -dave
[2005-09-02 16:31:53] - i saw two different gas stations that had the attendant up changing the prices as i drove by. ~a
[2005-09-02 16:31:16] - paul: I guess I don't see it happening as much without a govt, not that it couldn't, just be very unlikely and difficult i would imagine. But that's just an opinion -dave
[2005-09-02 16:29:48] - for regular -dave
[2005-09-02 16:29:39] - and prices were 3.59 and 3.29 respectively -dave
[2005-09-02 16:29:23] - man, traffic was horrible. the two gas stations I passed had people backed up onto the highway waiting to get gas -dave
[2005-09-02 16:29:05] - mig: yeah, that's why he originally just flew over everything. but then all the democrats yelled at him and said that he was being aloof and not doing any good - that he should get on the ground and make his presence known <shrug> -dave
[2005-09-02 16:02:48] - http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/342451p-292209c.html What is up with Wilmer Valderrama? -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:55:35] - Having said all of that, I feel like most libertarians would say that this is an area which is perfectly reasonable for the federal government to get involved in and I would tend to agree. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:50:27] - in fact someone at work pointed that it might actually hamper the relief efforts to have bush physically show up, due to the uber security restrictions they take whenever he's out in public. - mig
[2005-09-02 15:47:54] - and i'm not just harping at him in particular. i just don't get why people are so hung up on having government officials do these type of meaningless things. - mig
[2005-09-02 15:46:31] - and speaking of which, what "good" is being done by bush going out and "surveying the damage"? i mean, he's just there to be there, he's not actually physically helping in any meaningful way, so how is his mere presence going to make the situation any better? - mig
[2005-09-02 15:45:47] - Dave: My only point with that first article is to show that you can't rely on the police to protect you and your belongings. Yes, they police are getting shot at, and it's reasonable for them not to want to risk their lives. Hence why I think we should not be relying on the police so much. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:43:36] - Dave: I submit that the entire operation of saving people in New Orleans could be carried out without the federal government getting involved as long as people weren't counting on the federal government getting involved. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:43:33] - paul: as for the second article, that's more what I would have expected and was referring to by "charity." I wasn't expecting armed bands of people roaming new orleans, sniping at people trying to evacuate hospitals -dave
[2005-09-02 15:42:15] - Paul: read that they were being attacked with AK47s and other similar stuff. One story said they were in a shootout trying to defend teh station -dave
[2005-09-02 15:41:39] - Paul: and most were resigning because they were getting their heads blown off etc, least from what I read (not that this necessarily is a good reason to quit) -dave
[2005-09-02 15:41:14] - Paul: ahh, well the police officers I don't really regard as govt. - more thinking of federal govt here -dave
[2005-09-02 15:40:12] - paul: yes, I meant for charity in the non governmental definition -dave
[2005-09-02 15:40:07] - Dave: Possibly not, but they didn't exactly handle all the rest of the parts very well either. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:39:53] - Paul: and most of the news articles I read today talked about support / help / troops going in steadily today (2nd day after the storm?) so that's not really all that bad if you think about it -dave
[2005-09-02 15:39:24] - Dave: And I would also point out that "charity" doesn't just come from government at all. There are plenty of non-profit organizations out there which are helping out as well as lots of businesses too. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:39:23] - Paul: well, I honestly think that they weren't expecting so much resistance as far as armed groups etc. -dave
[2005-09-02 15:38:24] - Dave: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2005/09/remember-who-you-can-rely-on.html and http://voxday.blogspot.com/2005/09/helping-those-government-wont.html provide examples of what I'm talking about. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:37:19] - Dave: Quite frankly, though, I think the most compelling story line of this whole ordeal is how badly the government is dealing with the situation and how people have had to take things into their own hands. -paul
[2005-09-02 15:36:18] - Paul: ahh, I see. so Is the govt. oversight / action in this case undesirable? or you're not sure? -dave
[2005-09-02 15:35:35] - paul: or would it not be such a bad thing to just let the area self-destruct for a little while? -dave
[2005-09-02 15:35:14] - Dave: I don't know if I would say I necessarily support it. I'm still somewhat undecided as to where exactly I fall between libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:34:58] - paul: I mean what incentive would a for-profit organization have? sell the emergency food rations to the people? rent out cots in the superdome? Or do you think charitable organizations / work would pick up all the slack? -dave
[2005-09-02 15:33:51] - paul: interesting question - you're in support of no govt. in general yes? To be replaced by large corporations or whatnot. So do you think that would work well in this case, as far as fixing the New Orleans infrastructure, saving all the people there, etc? -dave
[2005-09-02 15:31:17] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102411.html Coffee, shampoo, oysters, sportswear, all to become more expensive ? -dave
[2005-09-02 15:28:36] - Dave: Not yet. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:28:14] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102407.html SAIC planning IPO. -Paul
[2005-09-02 15:25:41] - anyone seen gas stations close? or out of regular? read a washpost article that was talkin about it -dave
[2005-09-02 15:16:56] - a: <nod> -dave
[2005-09-02 15:10:30] - i can, but i don't (generally) ~a
[2005-09-02 14:58:31] - a: what, you can't look up IPs of posters? 0_o -dave
[2005-09-02 14:56:17] - a: Ah, ok then. -Paul
[2005-09-02 14:54:10] - my mistake.
~a[2005-09-02 14:53:57] - paul: s/paul/moveon/. ~a
[2005-09-02 14:53:14] - a: Answer what? -Paul
[2005-09-02 14:52:57] - a: No. -MoveOn
[2005-09-02 14:52:37] - damnit! ~a
[2005-09-02 14:52:32] - Paul: No. -Jerry
[2005-09-02 14:52:30] - paul: you answer first
~a[2005-09-02 14:47:53] - Jerry: Are you being coy? -Paul
[2005-09-02 14:46:26] - moveon: you're still being coy? ~a
[2005-09-02 14:45:01] - movon: well, all that needs to be shown now is that pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians cause global warming, then the causal chain would be complete -dave
[2005-09-02 14:44:18] - a: No. Bush caused the hurricane. -MoveOn
[2005-09-02 14:40:39] - moveon: i'm guessing that scientists disagree on many of those topics. are you being coy? ~a
[2005-09-02 14:32:38] - Jerry: Scientists agree that global warming makes sea levels rise and makes storms stronger, because temperature shifts disrupt the normal balance, Warmer water makes more violent hurricanes. -MoveOn
[2005-09-02 14:24:06] - Paul: Yes and Yes. ... and they caused the natural disater itself. -Jerry
[2005-09-02 14:12:26] - And that, I assume, New Orleans is somehow more filled with those people than most other places? -Paul
[2005-09-02 14:11:29] - Jerry: So you're saying that pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians are more likely to be selfish and try to randomly kill each other when disaster strikes? -paul
[2005-09-02 13:49:44] - Paul: Times have changed. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen." -Jerry
[2005-09-02 13:42:22] - errr i mean more expensive. - mig
[2005-09-02 13:40:59] - Whereas here, it's like the complete opposite. People are looting and shooting at people and starting fires for seemingly no reason. The people in uniform seem to be doing nothing and the politicians are crying and falling apart. -paul
[2005-09-02 13:40:05] - because, supposadly, people wouldn't buy as much gas if it wasn't expensive. although i would think the basic laws of supply and demand would do the same thing. - mig
[2005-09-02 13:39:56] - Does anybody else think it's interesting how different this is playing out from most disasters? Usually we hear about how people band together to help each other and the brave stories of the people in uniform and inspirational speeches by politicians... -Paul
[2005-09-02 13:24:18] - http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/2005/09/02/ first-hand account of New Orleans. Holy shit. - lori
[2005-09-02 13:20:09] - Dave: Your guess is as good as mine.
-Paul[2005-09-02 13:15:43] - Paul: how would the gas problems be solved by a higher gas tax? 0_o -dave
[2005-09-02 13:06:23] - As if the total lack of government protection and action against looting wasn't the problem, but the private citizens trying to step into the void was. -Paul
[2005-09-02 13:05:21] - And then there was a discussion about how some citizens were forming private militias to stop looting since the police were doing nothing, and people commented "there goes civilization". -Paul
[2005-09-02 13:04:23] - There was a discussion during lunch about how all our gas problems can be solved with a higher gas tax. -Paul
[2005-09-02 13:03:46] - Geez, all my coworkers are a bunch of socialists.
-Paul[2005-09-02 12:45:23] - Paul: yes they are, all females will now be referred to as "mine" ^_^ -dave
[2005-09-02 12:23:01] - a: ? -Paul
[2005-09-02 12:10:58] -
~a[2005-09-02 12:05:48] - a: Most females aren't referred to as "his". -Paul
[2005-09-02 12:05:05] - paul: many females aren't feminists. ~a
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